Thunderpipes: I am as strong a supporter of the 2nd amendment as there is. All my weapons needed a check. I don't see the problem with that.But..... I see the slippery slope thing. First the background check stuff, then something else, then something else, then like that moron Democrat idea to make buying ammo require anger management courses, etc....And yet, to elect politicians, asking for ID is a sin, according to the same people who want gun control.
dittybopper: Zulu_as_Kono: D'oh - just realized I got my gun guys mixed up.How could you confuse me with anyone else?
jafiwam: EVERY SINGLE COP I HAVE EVER MET
Mr_Fabulous: dittybopper: That turns what is an enumerated right into a government granted privilege. Would you argue the same thing for a computer and internet connection?That depends. Are computers killing 10,000 Americans every year?
heypete: Father_Jack: she shouldve had her weapons in a safe, as i recall. that wouldve done it.Is there evidence that she didn't? I live in Europe so I don't follow all the details in the news, but as far as I've read nobody's reported any details about how the firearms were stored or how the shooter gained access to the safe. (Most gun safes are not difficult to force open with basic hand tools, his mother may have told him where the key is or what the combination was [that is, he could be authorized to open the safe], or he could have discovered the key or combination through other means.)
Dadoody: [extras.mnginteractive.com image 600x330][a.abcnews.com image 640x360][rhhr.files.wordpress.com image 410x350][www.lostrepublic.us image 480x360]Disarm law abiding Americans. Continue militarizing police. Seems legit.
vernonFL: I can't understand how "background checks" = "taking away our gun rights!!!"
dittybopper: SurfaceTension: My desires:1. Universal background checksBad idea. Very bad idea. That turns what is an enumerated right into a government granted privilege. Would you argue the same thing for a computer and internet connection? That you must get government permission to post on the internet so that they know you aren't a subversive? Or how about requiring a background check before you can assert your rights under the Fourth and Fifth Amendments? How requiring government approval prior to getting an abortion?The Bill of Rights isn't a la carte. You don't get to pick and chose what you want. If you seriously weaken the Second Amendment, you weaken *ALL* of the Bill of Rights, because people can say "Hey, we did it with *THIS* one, why can't we do it with the other one?".Plus, there are numerous difficulties in implementing it. You can do it under the general police powers at the state level, but it gets a bit dicier at the federal level, because you have to rationalize it under the Commerce Clause. You can make that argument, and it might fly, but it's not a slam dunk.Then you have the "You can make your own gun" loophole. It's legal, and thousands of people do it every year. It's only going to become easier with 3D printing of major parts. For example, Defense Distributed just tested an AR-15 lower receiver (the part that is legally the gun) that they printed out on a 3D printer to over 600 rounds of full power ammunition.Besides that, building something like a semi-auto handgun or a revolver only requires the ability to make a frame, and to purchase all the other parts, which are uncontrolled. Anyone with some decent used machine tools can do that now. I know someone who made a Colt Commander-style 1911 from spare parts, and a rough casting of the frame. He used mainly a drill press, a grinder, and hand files.2. Funding for the FBI to collect statistics on gun crimes so we know how often they are used in intentional shootings, acciden ...
dittybopper: Bad idea. Very bad idea. That turns what is an enumerated right into a government granted privilege. Would you argue the same thing for a computer and internet connection? That you must get government permission to post on the internet so that they know you aren't a subversive? Or how about requiring a background check before you can assert your rights under the Fourth and Fifth Amendments? How requiring government approval prior to getting an abortion?
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