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(Washington Post)   Is it time to consider the possibility that Paul Ryan might be a wizard?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 58
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2013-03-13 08:14:06 AM  
Grand or regular?
 
2013-03-13 08:31:47 AM  

WTF Indeed: Grand or regular?


Imperial Grand....
 
2013-03-13 08:33:49 AM  
no
 
2013-03-13 08:35:25 AM  
Yes, let's assume repeal of Obamacare and keep all the revenue from Obamacare! TA-DA!
 
2013-03-13 08:37:10 AM  
"If we just keep pushing this, we'll get our way."

"Our way" = "Contributions from the feeble-minded".
 
2013-03-13 08:38:30 AM  
www.csmonitor.com
"I've written budgets for Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook, and by gum, it put them on the map!"
 
2013-03-13 08:38:39 AM  
No.  Wizards actually have INT.

/my guess is LE Warlock
 
2013-03-13 08:41:54 AM  

UNC_Samurai: No.  Wizards actually have INT.

/my guess is LE Warlock


I would suggest Sorcerer, but I am unconvinced of his CHA.
 
2013-03-13 08:44:26 AM  

Dimensio: UNC_Samurai: No.  Wizards actually have INT.

/my guess is LE Warlock

I would suggest Sorcerer, but I am unconvinced of his CHA.


I'm thinking something in a Soul Knife or Hexblade. He's obsessed with cutting and attempts to do so by sheer willpower, but is never effective at it.
 
2013-03-13 08:45:21 AM  
Holy hell.

I'd skimmed past the "destroy the health care system" quote the first time it went around, thinking it was a snarky paraphrase.


Dimensio: UNC_Samurai: No.  Wizards actually have INT.
/my guess is LE Warlock
I would suggest Sorcerer, but I am unconvinced of his CHA.


Must be one of those newfangled CON-based Warlocks.  He was a fitness guy...
 
2013-03-13 08:47:13 AM  

steverockson: Yes, let's assume repeal of Obamacare and keep all the revenue from Obamacare! TA-DA!


This is what my engineering professors would have called "a bad assumption."
 
2013-03-13 08:48:18 AM  
Here's how: The former Republican vice presidential candidate's budget eliminates penis loopholes in the tax code, cutting the penises and the penis deductions. It reduces spending on the penis program by penis and the penis program by penis.  Retirees would see penises, students would experience penises and the poor would be penisized.

I just can't make any sense out of that.
 
2013-03-13 08:50:15 AM  
ok then
 
2013-03-13 08:56:21 AM  
No, just a douchebag.
 
2013-03-13 08:58:01 AM  
And he can also run the marathon in less than three hours. Surely, the man of the hour.
 
2013-03-13 09:10:38 AM  
Mostly, Ryan would achieve his aims through sleight of hand. The recent tax increase on wealthy Americans that Ryan and fellow Republicans opposed? He keeps it in his budget.

You know, not that I disagree that Ryan's budget is a complete piece of shiat, but I read a piece yesterday saying that his budget calls for only two tax brackets; 10 and 25 percent. So which is it?
 
2013-03-13 09:14:08 AM  
"We're not going to refight the past," he explained.

...says the guy who wants to repeal the ACA.
 
2013-03-13 09:16:30 AM  
 
2013-03-13 09:20:18 AM  

Thats No Moose: And he can also run the marathon in less than three hours. Surely, the man of the hour.


He used the same math in his budget. Some call it wishful thinking
 
2013-03-13 09:26:08 AM  
I was hoping his part in the failed 2012 presidential campaign would dim this repub rising star but Romney came across looking so bad that his failure made everyone else around him look better.

Every pol twists the truth but something about Ryan's fibs are grating, theres no clever wordplay to win an argument but are outright lies and omissions.  And this whole "budget specialist" thing he has going on, I don't think he is a dumb man but he comes across as rather average intelligence, Joe Sixpack trying to bluff his way through a art gallery showing.  Nothing wrong with being Joe Sixpack just don't pretend you are something else.

I must say, watching Ole Joe walk all over Ryan during the debate was quite entertaining.
 
2013-03-13 09:31:38 AM  
the opposite of charity is justice:  I was hoping his part in the failed 2012 presidential campaign would dim this repub rising star but Romney came across looking so bad that his failure made everyone else around him look better.

Hold up. You were expecting a disgraced running mate to be humbled by the trouncing he took last November, and learn from those mistakes?

www.newrepublic.com
What party do you think we're dealing with here?
 
2013-03-13 09:34:05 AM  

steverockson: Yes, let's assume repeal of Obamacare and keep all the revenue from Obamacare! TA-DA!


Don't forget, he also included any savings that Obamacare created.
 
2013-03-13 09:36:37 AM  

Dimensio: UNC_Samurai: No.  Wizards actually have INT.

/my guess is LE Warlock

I would suggest Sorcerer, but I am unconvinced of his CHA.


www.eonline.com

He threw his numbers into STR and CON.
 
2013-03-13 09:42:29 AM  

EyeballKid: [www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]
"I've written budgets for Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook, and by gum, it put them on the map!"


Just mention my name in Sheboygan...
 
2013-03-13 09:47:55 AM  

neritz: steverockson: Yes, let's assume repeal of Obamacare and keep all the revenue from Obamacare! TA-DA!

Don't forget, he also included any savings that Obamacare created.


Yep, this.
 
2013-03-13 09:53:48 AM  

monoski: Thats No Moose: And he can also run the marathon in less than three hours. Surely, the man of the hour.

He used the same math in his budget. Some call it wishful thinking


Others call it delusion.
 
2013-03-13 10:06:54 AM  
FTFA:

Here's how: The former Republican vice presidential candidate's budget eliminates ___ loopholes in the tax code, cutting the ___ and the ____ deductions. It reduces spending on the ____ program by _____ and the _____ program by _____. Retirees would see ____, students would experience ____ and the poor would be _____.

OK, I thought that was funny.  Too bad it's not a joke.
 
2013-03-13 10:07:20 AM  

theknuckler_33: Mostly, Ryan would achieve his aims through sleight of hand. The recent tax increase on wealthy Americans that Ryan and fellow Republicans opposed? He keeps it in his budget.

You know, not that I disagree that Ryan's budget is a complete piece of shiat, but I read a piece yesterday saying that his budget calls for only two tax brackets; 10 and 25 percent. So which is it?


If it's anything like his previous budgets, he cuts taxes but assumes a constant effective tax rate without suggesting tax deductions to eliminate to make up the difference. It's not a Laffer Curve argument either; that comes in when he says the tax cuts will stimulate the economy to a consistent 4%+ a year, so that it causes real gross tax revenue growth equal to what we would expect with current effective tax rates.

Same problem with Romney's argument during the election: "look, there will be no difference in effective tax rates to worry about as far as the revenue stream, but the savings people make with lower nominal tax rates will allow them to have more money to spend."
 
2013-03-13 10:10:07 AM  
Say what you will, at least he's putting something forth.  I'd like to see it without eliminating Obamacare.  That abomination needs to be fixed or repealed on its own.  Not as a budget issue.  But regardless, the gap between the Obama proposal (which I think we've only been given hints at) and this budget are miles apart.  Almost to the point that negotiating is pointless.

In the end, I think the government needs a balanced budget amendment.  Something with some deficit spending flexibility, but a requirement to fund all spending in the same bill.  No more argument over raising the debt limit.  No more fake budget cuts by cutting the rate of increases.  Just pure and simple, provide a way to pay for what you propose...or the bill fails on its face.
 
2013-03-13 10:15:19 AM  

I_C_Weener: Almost to the point that negotiating is pointless.


Of course it's pointless. When you're negotiating what to have for dinner and one side offers up a turd with gravy, it doesn't matter what the other side offers. The middle ground is still gonna suck.
 
2013-03-13 10:17:08 AM  

Grungehamster: theknuckler_33: Mostly, Ryan would achieve his aims through sleight of hand. The recent tax increase on wealthy Americans that Ryan and fellow Republicans opposed? He keeps it in his budget.

You know, not that I disagree that Ryan's budget is a complete piece of shiat, but I read a piece yesterday saying that his budget calls for only two tax brackets; 10 and 25 percent. So which is it?

If it's anything like his previous budgets, he cuts taxes but assumes a constant effective tax rate without suggesting tax deductions to eliminate to make up the difference. It's not a Laffer Curve argument either; that comes in when he says the tax cuts will stimulate the economy to a consistent 4%+ a year, so that it causes real gross tax revenue growth equal to what we would expect with current effective tax rates.

Same problem with Romney's argument during the election: "look, there will be no difference in effective tax rates to worry about as far as the revenue stream, but the savings people make with lower nominal tax rates will allow them to have more money to spend."


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2013-03-13 10:23:49 AM  

I_C_Weener: Say what you will, at least he's putting something forth.  I'd like to see it without eliminating Obamacare.  That abomination needs to be fixed or repealed on its own.  Not as a budget issue.  But regardless, the gap between the Obama proposal (which I think we've only been given hints at) and this budget are miles apart.  Almost to the point that negotiating is pointless.

In the end, I think the government needs a balanced budget amendment.  Something with some deficit spending flexibility, but a requirement to fund all spending in the same bill.  No more argument over raising the debt limit.  No more fake budget cuts by cutting the rate of increases.  Just pure and simple, provide a way to pay for what you propose...or the bill fails on its face.



Obama has put out very reasonable proposal for a budget that should be a conservatives wet dream. Obama really is the best conservative president we have had since Reagan, it is a dam shame the Republicans went full derp.
 
2013-03-13 10:24:01 AM  

I_C_Weener: Say what you will, at least he's putting something forth.


andrewsidea.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-13 10:28:22 AM  

theknuckler_33: Mostly, Ryan would achieve his aims through sleight of hand. The recent tax increase on wealthy Americans that Ryan and fellow Republicans opposed? He keeps it in his budget.

You know, not that I disagree that Ryan's budget is a complete piece of shiat, but I read a piece yesterday saying that his budget calls for only two tax brackets; 10 and 25 percent. So which is it?


With mathgic, you can do both. For example, Ryan factors in the savings and revenue from Obamacare while, at the same time, dismantling Obamacare. How do you get the savings of a program you plan to destroy? Mathgic. With mathgic, you can easily keep the revenue from letting the tax cuts partially expire while, at the same time, reducing tax rates to the lowest percentage in 50 years.
 
2013-03-13 10:29:36 AM  

Grungehamster: theknuckler_33: Mostly, Ryan would achieve his aims through sleight of hand. The recent tax increase on wealthy Americans that Ryan and fellow Republicans opposed? He keeps it in his budget.

You know, not that I disagree that Ryan's budget is a complete piece of shiat, but I read a piece yesterday saying that his budget calls for only two tax brackets; 10 and 25 percent. So which is it?

If it's anything like his previous budgets, he cuts taxes but assumes a constant effective tax rate without suggesting tax deductions to eliminate to make up the difference. It's not a Laffer Curve argument either; that comes in when he says the tax cuts will stimulate the economy to a consistent 4%+ a year, so that it causes real gross tax revenue growth equal to what we would expect with current effective tax rates.

Same problem with Romney's argument during the election: "look, there will be no difference in effective tax rates to worry about as far as the revenue stream, but the savings people make with lower nominal tax rates will allow them to have more money to spend."


I want to take a stab at this, since stuff like this always makes my head hurt.  So are you saying that the problem here is even though Ryan is saying that effective tax rates, the actual rate and amount of taxes I pay after refunds/exemptions/deductions are calculated at filing time, are staying the same in order to ensure that the Fed is getting a adequate income stream, the nominal rates, or the rates I'm SUPPOSED to be paying according to whatever tax bracket I'm in, are going down, so everyone will have more money in their check every pay period to spend on stuff?
 
2013-03-13 10:49:23 AM  

Comic Book Guy: Grungehamster: theknuckler_33: Mostly, Ryan would achieve his aims through sleight of hand. The recent tax increase on wealthy Americans that Ryan and fellow Republicans opposed? He keeps it in his budget.

You know, not that I disagree that Ryan's budget is a complete piece of shiat, but I read a piece yesterday saying that his budget calls for only two tax brackets; 10 and 25 percent. So which is it?

If it's anything like his previous budgets, he cuts taxes but assumes a constant effective tax rate without suggesting tax deductions to eliminate to make up the difference. It's not a Laffer Curve argument either; that comes in when he says the tax cuts will stimulate the economy to a consistent 4%+ a year, so that it causes real gross tax revenue growth equal to what we would expect with current effective tax rates.

Same problem with Romney's argument during the election: "look, there will be no difference in effective tax rates to worry about as far as the revenue stream, but the savings people make with lower nominal tax rates will allow them to have more money to spend."

I want to take a stab at this, since stuff like this always makes my head hurt.  So are you saying that the problem here is even though Ryan is saying that effective tax rates, the actual rate and amount of taxes I pay after refunds/exemptions/deductions are calculated at filing time, are staying the same in order to ensure that the Fed is getting a adequate income stream, the nominal rates, or the rates I'm SUPPOSED to be paying according to whatever tax bracket I'm in, are going down, so everyone will have more money in their check every pay period to spend on stuff?


He doesn't say it in those words, but he uses current gross revenue as a baseline (as in, assume the same revenues the CBO already assumes we'll generate if current policies are unchanged) and then asks them to adjust that baseline based on the GDP growing at the rate he's projecting his policies will result in (primarily tax cuts.) He doesn't account for any potential revenue hit the tax cuts would have while using a very optimistic projection of the revenue benefits the policy will bring.

It's true that any expansionary fiscal policy should see economic stimulation as a result, the problem is Ryan's projection want to have its cake and eat it too.
 
2013-03-13 11:14:45 AM  

Wasteland: Holy hell.

I'd skimmed past the "destroy the health care system" quote the first time it went around, thinking it was a snarky paraphrase.


Dimensio: UNC_Samurai: No.  Wizards actually have INT.
/my guess is LE Warlock
I would suggest Sorcerer, but I am unconvinced of his CHA.

Must be one of those newfangled CON-based Warlocks.  He was a fitness guy...


so he's a blood mage? that's weirdly appropriate...
 
2013-03-13 11:24:52 AM  

EyeballKid: Hold up. You were expecting a disgraced running mate to be humbled by the trouncing he took last November, and learn from those mistakes?

[www.newrepublic.com image 500x500]
What party do you think we're dealing with here?


In all fairness, Election 2008 ended her political career.  Ryan is still in a position to steer national policy and isn't looking to go away anytime soon.

I would have *loved* to see him follow Palin's path of lounging around Fox studios but doing nothing.
 
2013-03-13 11:25:40 AM  

I_C_Weener: In the end, I think the government needs a balanced budget amendment.


The level of taxation vs. public spending (ie whether or not we have a deficit or surplus) is a policy tool that regulates inflation and unemployment. It does not seem beneficial to take that policy tool away with an amendment.

We have a three sector balance of: the public sector, private sector (firms/households), and your foreign trade account. All three sectors balance against each other and if one runs a deficit by definition another must run a surplus. All three can't run a deficit at the same time and all three can't run a surplus at the same time.

Because there isn't a third option of a balance that is neither a deficit or a surplus I am going to assume you a pushing for a public sector surplus. (Also, historically speaking the public sector runs either a deficit or a surplus. Most of the time its a deficit)
If a public sector surplus is desired it must be balanced with a deficit elsewhere. If you mandate a permanent public sector surplus you will also mandate a permanent deficit  in one of the other two sectors. This also means you could only freely adjust one sector of the economy.

Cheers,
 
2013-03-13 11:28:27 AM  
It is time to consider the possibility that Paul Ryan is a deep cover liberal operative.  Really- what else would explain this?
 
2013-03-13 12:20:11 PM  

DeaH: Mathgic


Win.
 
2013-03-13 12:33:11 PM  

I_C_Weener: Say what you will, at least he's putting something forth.  I'd like to see it without eliminating Obamacare.  That abomination needs to be fixed or repealed on its own.  Not as a budget issue.  But regardless, the gap between the Obama proposal (which I think we've only been given hints at) and this budget are miles apart.  Almost to the point that negotiating is pointless.

In the end, I think the government needs a balanced budget amendment.  Something with some deficit spending flexibility, but a requirement to fund all spending in the same bill.  No more argument over raising the debt limit.  No more fake budget cuts by cutting the rate of increases.  Just pure and simple, provide a way to pay for what you propose...or the bill fails on its face.


Getting rid of Medicare seems to be the only card in his deck.

Plus it reduces Social Security outlays as old people die off quicker.

Win-Win!
 
2013-03-13 12:42:35 PM  
"This to us is something that we're not going to give up on," Ryan answered, "because we're not going to give up on destroying the health-care system for the American people."

I was reading the article during lunch and just started choking when I got to that. People actually voted for this guy?
 
2013-03-13 12:58:50 PM  

Gaddiel: "This to us is something that we're not going to give up on," Ryan answered, "because we're not going to give up on destroying the health-care system for the American people."

I was reading the article during lunch and just started choking when I got to that. People actually voted for this guy?



talkingpointsmemo.com
Everybody knows about Wississippi, god damn...
 
2013-03-13 01:09:34 PM  

monoski: Thats No Moose: And he can also run the marathon in less than three hours. Surely, the man of the hour.

He used the same math in his budget. Some call it wishful thinking


Most people call it bullshait.
 
2013-03-13 01:23:01 PM  

theknuckler_33: Mostly, Ryan would achieve his aims through sleight of hand. The recent tax increase on wealthy Americans that Ryan and fellow Republicans opposed? He keeps it in his budget.

You know, not that I disagree that Ryan's budget is a complete piece of shiat, but I read a piece yesterday saying that his budget calls for only two tax brackets; 10 and 25 percent. So which is it?


The brackets are lowered (with undisclosed deductions closed), but the increase in (I think) payroll and dividends that are in Obamacare will stay, as well as the 700 billion "stolen" from Medicare that he and RMoney attacked Obama for.

Slaves2Darkness: I_C_Weener: Say what you will, at least he's putting something forth.  I'd like to see it without eliminating Obamacare.  That abomination needs to be fixed or repealed on its own.  Not as a budget issue.  But regardless, the gap between the Obama proposal (which I think we've only been given hints at) and this budget are miles apart.  Almost to the point that negotiating is pointless.

In the end, I think the government needs a balanced budget amendment.  Something with some deficit spending flexibility, but a requirement to fund all spending in the same bill.  No more argument over raising the debt limit.  No more fake budget cuts by cutting the rate of increases.  Just pure and simple, provide a way to pay for what you propose...or the bill fails on its face.


Obama has put out very reasonable proposal for a budget that should be a conservatives wet dream. Obama really is the best conservative president we have had since Reagan

Clinton, it is a dam shame the Republicans went full derp.

FTFY.
 
2013-03-13 01:38:39 PM  

I_C_Weener: Say what you will, at least he's putting something forth.


Modern conservatives are just sad.
 
2013-03-13 02:04:47 PM  
The former Republican vice presidential candidate's budget eliminates  the tiniest loopholes in the tax code, cutting the  necks  and the  bellies of the middle class while calling them deductions. It reduces spending on the  "you not dying" program by  100% and the  "letting you die" program by 0 . Retirees would see  a beckoning tunnel of light, students would experience  the euphoria felt while hanging oneself and the poor would be farked.
 
2013-03-13 02:42:13 PM  
Reminds me of this joke:

An old lady goes to the supermarket and says to the grocer, "I'd like some asparagus, please." The grocer says "I'm sorry ma'am, we don't have any asparagus today. How about some nice cauliflower?" The old lady says "Oh, I see. In that case, I'd like some asparagus, please." The grocer says "No, ma'am, I told you, there's no asparagus. How about some brussel sprouts?" The old lady says "Oh, I'm sorry. In that case, please give me some asparagus." The grocer says "Ma'am, can you spell 'dog' as in 'dogma'?" The old lady says "D-O-G." The grocer says "And can you spell 'cat' as in 'catastrophe'?" The old lady says "C-A-T." The grocer says "Can you spell 'fark' as in 'asparagus'?'" The old lady says "There's no 'fark' in 'asparagus'." The grocer says "That's what I'm trying to tell you... THERE'S NO FARKING ASPARAGUS."
 
2013-03-13 03:14:19 PM  

un4gvn666: I_C_Weener: Say what you will, at least he's putting something forth.

Modern conservatives are just sad.



Why, I just put forth a steaming turd this morning and it was almost as functional as Ryan's budget. Don't poo poo things that are put forth just for the sake of feeling superior.
 
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