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(Washington Post)   He may only be a little more than a month into his second term, but that's more than enough time for Obama to have lost all public trust on his ability to restore the economy. Help us, Republicans you're our only hope   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 186
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2013-03-13 08:38:55 AM  
Has he stopped blaming his failures on the guy who was president the previous 4 years?  Ha.
 
2013-03-13 08:39:23 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-13 08:40:30 AM  
Pretty sure I never trusted ANY politician.
 
2013-03-13 08:42:02 AM  
50% approval and more trust than the Republicans = lost all public trust. The new Math.
 
2013-03-13 08:42:27 AM  
Not clicking, but let me guess... Jennifer Rubin?
 
2013-03-13 08:42:35 AM  
SO CAN WE HAS IMPEECHMENT NOWS?
 
2013-03-13 08:43:15 AM  
Hahahahahaha oh wow, hahahaha hahahaha. HA HA HA kekekeke lol.


*deep breath* hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Still waaaay better approval then congress and the last guy.
 
2013-03-13 08:43:48 AM  
What?  Jobs numbers up, consumer spending up, stock market up, housing market up.  What are you talking about?
 
2013-03-13 08:43:59 AM  

Raharu: Hahahahahaha oh wow, hahahaha hahahaha. HA HA HA kekekeke lol.


*deep breath* hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Still waaaay better approval then congress and the last guy.


To be fair, I'm pretty sure herpes has better approval than congress.
 
2013-03-13 08:44:35 AM  
"Asked who is responsible for the sequester, 47 percent say Republicans in Congress and 33 percent say Obama. "

2/3rds the way down the article and we finally get to actual numbers...
 
2013-03-13 08:45:15 AM  

QueenMamaBee: To be fair, I'm pretty sure herpes has better approval than congress.


Still a better love story than twilight...
 
2013-03-13 08:45:21 AM  
blog.wtfconcept.com
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-03-13 08:45:32 AM  
I know everyone I've ever met thinks he'shiatler, so that means it's true.

/ohyou.jpg
 
2013-03-13 08:46:16 AM  

QueenMamaBee: Raharu: Hahahahahaha oh wow, hahahaha hahahaha. HA HA HA kekekeke lol.


*deep breath* hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Still waaaay better approval then congress and the last guy.

To be fair, I'm pretty sure herpes has better approval than congress.


I know Space Herpes does.
 
2013-03-13 08:46:33 AM  
If you're going to try to spin 7.7% unemployment with the vector arrow pointing down, you're going to have a bad time.
 
2013-03-13 08:46:58 AM  

LDM90: Pretty sure I never trusted ANY politician.


This


GameSprocket: 50% approval and more trust than the Republicans = lost all public trust. The new Math.


But not this
 
2013-03-13 08:47:51 AM  
OK, show of hands, how many think it makes a difference which stooge you put in the White House.
Really?
 
2013-03-13 08:49:16 AM  

QueenMamaBee: Raharu: Hahahahahaha oh wow, hahahaha hahahaha. HA HA HA kekekeke lol.


*deep breath* hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Still waaaay better approval then congress and the last guy.

To be fair, I'm pretty sure herpes has better approval than congress.



So does Cancer.
 
2013-03-13 08:49:27 AM  
vygramul 
If you're going to try to spin 7.7% unemployment with the vector arrow pointing down, you're going to have a bad time.


3.5/10 - Hehehehehe. Good one.
 
2013-03-13 08:49:49 AM  

DGS: I know everyone I've ever met thinks he'shiatler, so that means it's true.

/ohyou.jpg


Nice.

/I'll just step out before the mudslinging really gets going
 
2013-03-13 08:50:24 AM  
Well, subby, then we're doomed.

www.nickutopia.com
 
2013-03-13 08:51:53 AM  
Anybody look at the Dow lately?  Seems to be doing just fine.
 
2013-03-13 08:52:23 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: What?  Jobs numbers up, consumer spending up, stock market up, housing market up.  What are you talking about?


Yeah.. and all based on printing more currency based on zilch... when this bubble pops, it will be heard around the world.. and the libs are just as screwed as the rest of us.....
 
2013-03-13 08:53:08 AM  
They were shilling this line right before he crushed Romney.
 
2013-03-13 08:53:10 AM  
Nice hit piece. Shame on the Post.
 
2013-03-13 08:54:30 AM  
This president is one of the more ineffectual ones. He will go down in history as the first Halfrican-American president, but little else.
 
2013-03-13 08:58:56 AM  

OlderGuy: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: What?  Jobs numbers up, consumer spending up, stock market up, housing market up.  What are you talking about?

Yeah.. and all based on printing more currency based on zilch... when this bubble pops, it will be heard around the world.. and the libs are just as screwed as the rest of us.....


Your fark tag says it all. Think of the amount of money we can make by using fear tactics on the elderly! That will surely help this economy. Who's with me?
 
2013-03-13 08:59:19 AM  
Will be 20 trillion in debt with a crappy economy after 8 years of his crap.

Paint it any color you want, your boy is bad for the country. 7-8% unemployment with less people working and lowering family income is the new norm. Hope. Change. Just going to get worse with Obamacare fully implemented.
 
2013-03-13 08:59:33 AM  
This is why gridlock in Washington can only benefit the people.  If these idiots can't come to an agreement on anything then they can't spend money, can't ramrod worthless legislation down our throats, and can't generally muck anything up.
 
2013-03-13 09:00:04 AM  
END THE FED
 
2013-03-13 09:01:28 AM  

drhansenej: Anybody look at the Dow lately?  Seems to be doing just fine.


Odd, every time that was mentioned when Dubya was in office, every libderper here cried that Wall Street performance had zero to do with the economy.  Now it's a key indicator?  Shocking.
 
2013-03-13 09:01:48 AM  

deanis: OlderGuy: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: What?  Jobs numbers up, consumer spending up, stock market up, housing market up.  What are you talking about?

Yeah.. and all based on printing more currency based on zilch... when this bubble pops, it will be heard around the world.. and the libs are just as screwed as the rest of us.....

Your fark tag says it all. Think of the amount of money we can make by using fear tactics on the elderly! That will surely help this economy. Who's with me?


Obama has ran his entire campaign on fear, for going on 5 years now. The world will blow up from the sequester!!! Oh, it won't? He will shut down White House tours because he has no money, while he spends a million in taxpayer money to golf with Tiger Woods....

Can't believe even liberals approve of his fear mongering BS.
 
2013-03-13 09:03:21 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: drhansenej: Anybody look at the Dow lately?  Seems to be doing just fine.

Odd, every time that was mentioned when Dubya was in office, every libderper here cried that Wall Street performance had zero to do with the economy.  Now it's a key indicator?  Shocking.


Higher it gets, the worse the fall will be. Just wait until interest rates start rising, we pass the 20 trillion debt mark, Obamacare shuts down companies. Going to be fun. Bet people still blame Bush even with 8 years of Chumpy McHopeChange.
 
2013-03-13 09:03:36 AM  

snocone: OK, show of hands, how many think it makes a difference which stooge you put in the White House.
Really?


It always helps if the Pres actually likes the country.. for those who have removed the blinders, it is obvious that this one does not.. it is also obvious that with the help of his mindless devotees and his purchased slaves, he intends to destroy America, and he,s doing it... we have guns, he owns most of the bullets... yippie kiyay, mutterfuchs.....
 
2013-03-13 09:04:44 AM  

Gifted Many Few: This president is one of the more ineffectual ones. He will go down in history as the first Halfrican-American president, but little else.


Oh he's not a maniacal dictator assuming control of every aspect of our lives today?
 
2013-03-13 09:04:53 AM  

Thunderpipes: Will be 20 trillion in debt with a crappy economy after 8 years of his crap.

Paint it any color you want, your boy is bad for the country. 7-8% unemployment with less people working and lowering family income is the new norm. Hope. Change. Just going to get worse with Obamacare fully implemented.


It's like the Titanic. Obama as Captain got some people off the boat. If the other team was Captain, they would have convinced the passengers that it was in the their best interest to hit a second and third iceberg.
 
2013-03-13 09:06:32 AM  

OlderGuy: snocone: OK, show of hands, how many think it makes a difference which stooge you put in the White House.
Really?

It always helps if the Pres actually likes the country.. for those who have removed the blinders, it is obvious that this one does not.. it is also obvious that with the help of his mindless devotees and his purchased slaves, he intends to destroy America, and he,s doing it... we have guns, he owns most of the bullets... yippie kiyay, mutterfuchs.....


All this for a damned flag?
 
2013-03-13 09:09:34 AM  
Hey Thunderpipes, Older Guy, and Lt. Cheese Weasel!

svott.com

This thread went full derpy derp right away.

/umadbro.jpeg
 
2013-03-13 09:10:18 AM  

Decillion: Thunderpipes: Will be 20 trillion in debt with a crappy economy after 8 years of his crap.

Paint it any color you want, your boy is bad for the country. 7-8% unemployment with less people working and lowering family income is the new norm. Hope. Change. Just going to get worse with Obamacare fully implemented.

It's like the Titanic. Obama as Captain got some people off the boat. If the other team was Captain, they would have convinced the passengers that it was in the their best interest to hit a second and third iceberg.


Pretty stupid.

Remember, you are the people saying the government can just spend its way to prosperity for all. Why not spend 40 trillion this year, so we can all be millionaires then? Why half ass it?

You don't even understand compound interest, nor motivation. No reason to work when you can get everything free in exchange for voting for morons.
 
2013-03-13 09:10:25 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Gifted Many Few: This president is one of the more ineffectual ones. He will go down in history as the first Halfrican-American president, but little else.

Oh he's not a maniacal dictator assuming control of every aspect of our lives today?


In high school he was a meek wispy nerd and also a brash loudmouth bully.
 
2013-03-13 09:11:36 AM  
That's no moon, that's a sequester!!!
 
2013-03-13 09:12:07 AM  

Thunderpipes: Lt. Cheese Weasel: drhansenej: Anybody look at the Dow lately?  Seems to be doing just fine.

Odd, every time that was mentioned when Dubya was in office, every libderper here cried that Wall Street performance had zero to do with the economy.  Now it's a key indicator?  Shocking.

Higher it gets, the worse the fall will be. Just wait until interest rates start rising, we pass the 20 trillion debt mark, Obamacare shuts down companies. Going to be fun. Bet people still blame Bush even with 8 years of Chumpy McHopeChange.


I've been saying this for years. OBAMACARE IS BAD. It'll tax small companies out of business and eliminate a lot of larger health insurance companies. Say, for example, the one I work for. My job is about to be made obsolete. Millions of jobs lost so that illegal aliens and welfare queens get insurance. Oh, that's right, AND children can stay on their parent's insurance until 26. ...why the fark don't you have a decent job with benefits by 26?!?

Thanks, Obama. Screw you.
 
2013-03-13 09:12:19 AM  

deanis: Hey Thunderpipes, Older Guy, and Lt. Cheese Weasel!

[svott.com image 314x348]

This thread went full derpy derp right away.

/umadbro.jpeg


Beat me to it.  I was wondering who lit the Derp Signal this early.
 
2013-03-13 09:13:22 AM  

deanis: Hey Thunderpipes, Older Guy, and Lt. Cheese Weasel!

[svott.com image 314x348]

This thread went full derpy derp right away.

/umadbro.jpeg


Well, his worshipers are the ones getting out of college and not being able to find a job. Reap what you sow, hippies.

Should cost $5,000 to vote in federal elections. Only way to get the nation on the right track. If you cannot afford it, you obviously have failed and should have no say. World needs ditch diggers too Danny.
 
GBB
2013-03-13 09:14:37 AM  

snocone: OK, show of hands, how many think it makes a difference which stooge you put in the White House.
Really?



t1.gstatic.com
Ooo, Ooo, Mr Kotter!!!
 
2013-03-13 09:14:57 AM  

Thunderpipes: deanis: Hey Thunderpipes, Older Guy, and Lt. Cheese Weasel!

[svott.com image 314x348]

This thread went full derpy derp right away.

/umadbro.jpeg

Well, his worshipers are the ones getting out of college and not being able to find a job. Reap what you sow, hippies.

Should cost $5,000 to vote in federal elections. Only way to get the nation on the right track. If you cannot afford it, you obviously have failed and should have no say. World needs ditch diggers too Danny.


I like the old-school idea that if you don't pay taxes, you don't get a vote. That would eliminate 80% of obama's supporters right there.
 
2013-03-13 09:16:12 AM  

kiwimoogle84: Thunderpipes: Lt. Cheese Weasel: drhansenej: Anybody look at the Dow lately?  Seems to be doing just fine.

Odd, every time that was mentioned when Dubya was in office, every libderper here cried that Wall Street performance had zero to do with the economy.  Now it's a key indicator?  Shocking.

Higher it gets, the worse the fall will be. Just wait until interest rates start rising, we pass the 20 trillion debt mark, Obamacare shuts down companies. Going to be fun. Bet people still blame Bush even with 8 years of Chumpy McHopeChange.

I've been saying this for years. OBAMACARE IS BAD. It'll tax small companies out of business and eliminate a lot of larger health insurance companies. Say, for example, the one I work for. My job is about to be made obsolete. Millions of jobs lost so that illegal aliens and welfare queens get insurance. Oh, that's right, AND children can stay on their parent's insurance until 26. ...why the fark don't you have a decent job with benefits by 26?!?

Thanks, Obama. Screw you.


Most companies in this situation will simply drop coverage. They pay a fine, much smaller than the actual premium costs. Then the workers get to get federal subsidies, which cost much more, are all a burden on the government, for worse care. More people dependent, more Democrat votes. Pretty nice plan for Democrats, I must admit. Longer this continues, the more entrenched Democrats get. When they have control of the House and the Supreme Court, country is done, and cannot recover, ever. Not enough working people that care at that point, and we breed much slower than the swamp rats.
 
2013-03-13 09:16:17 AM  
Thunderpipes, can be summed up nicely for those not familiar with him, by this short quote.

It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
 
2013-03-13 09:16:20 AM  
The redneck derp is strong with this thread.
 
2013-03-13 09:16:23 AM  
Forgive me for being Canadian, but I'm pretty sure that any president (for you) or prime minister (for us) will be quite unpopular as they have to deal with the same issues as every other leader, but have to do so with the enormous debts and deficits currently carried by both countries.
 
2013-03-13 09:16:47 AM  
kiwimoogle84:  Millions of jobs lost so that illegal aliens and welfare queens get insurance.

Uh, no.  Non-lawful residents and welfare recipients are specifically exempted.
 
2013-03-13 09:17:11 AM  

snocone: OK, show of hands, how many think it makes a difference which stooge you put in the White House.
Really?



I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. "I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs." "I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking." "Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!" "Shut up! Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control. Here's  Love Connection. Watch this and get fat and stupid. By the way, keep drinking beer, you farking morons."

austintownhall.com
 
2013-03-13 09:17:52 AM  
If the entire republican house caucus was devoured by a runaway mad hippo, I wouldn't be too terribly upset...

What part of "Medicare and Social Security Are seperately funded by a 6% flat tax (for the poor)" Do you not understand?
 
2013-03-13 09:18:00 AM  

star_bury: Forgive me for being Canadian,


No.  There is absolutely no excuse for being Canadian.
 
2013-03-13 09:19:06 AM  
Obama is bad bad. Republicans is good good.

did I do it write? When I get paid?
 
2013-03-13 09:20:29 AM  
More Kool-Aid for the non-libs..... STAT!
 
2013-03-13 09:21:19 AM  
I like the old-school idea that if you don't have a job, you don't get medical care. Screw you poor people.  Obamapocalypse coming soon.
 
2013-03-13 09:22:04 AM  
Meh, he's a cumstain but I'll have to deal with it since you dipshiats wanted it.
 
2013-03-13 09:22:05 AM  

Jerry Westerby: kiwimoogle84:  Millions of jobs lost so that illegal aliens and welfare queens get insurance.

Uh, no.  Non-lawful residents and welfare recipients are specifically exempted.


How are they going to accomplish that, when most of them have benefits NOW? Do you have any idea how many MediCal recipients I process claims for all the time? Lots without social security numbers and listing the state as their source of income? Besides, I thought obamacare was so that EVERYONE could have healthcare.
 
2013-03-13 09:25:27 AM  

kiwimoogle84: Jerry Westerby: kiwimoogle84:  Millions of jobs lost so that illegal aliens and welfare queens get insurance.

Uh, no.  Non-lawful residents and welfare recipients are specifically exempted.

How are they going to accomplish that, when most of them have benefits NOW? Do you have any idea how many MediCal recipients I process claims for all the time? Lots without social security numbers and listing the state as their source of income? Besides, I thought obamacare was so that EVERYONE could have healthcare.


Keep in mind, Obama wants to legalize 11 million illegals all at once. Massive amount of free votes, incredible burden on government.

We have a choice. Small pains now for a bright future, or free stuff for everyone now, with a guaranteed collapse later. CBO even agrees. Liberals want free stuff, and who cares about our kids! Which is funny, considering how much they biatch about the evil Baby Boomers.
 
2013-03-13 09:26:52 AM  
conservativetearssocrispsodelicioussosatisfying.jpg
 
2013-03-13 09:27:19 AM  
My family of derpers always unintentionally keep me abreast of the latest GOP propaganda machinations. Benghazi is out, the hottest new fad is about Obama being a "total idiot". Unlike Benghazi, however, this is going to stick. They have all the propaganda outlets lined up and on message for this new bullsh*t.

"I tell ya, that Obama is just a total idiot. It's like Jimmy Carter all over again, I tell ya what."
www.bolgernow.com
 
2013-03-13 09:28:46 AM  

GameSprocket: 50% approval and more trust than the Republicans = lost all public trust. The new Math.


No budget in 4 years does it for me, dont care what "poll" says about approval rating. I just wish he knew any kind of math
 
2013-03-13 09:28:58 AM  
When my son is ready for college, national debt will be around 40 - 45 trillion dollars. I somehow doubt the economy is going to almost triple in size by then.

Really sucks for today's kids.

But liberals say we just increase taxes..... even though raising all taxes 50% won't even keep pace in a couple decades. The entire tax revenue will just go for a couple entitlement programs. But liberals don't care. Free stuff.
 
2013-03-13 09:30:57 AM  

Thunderpipes: kiwimoogle84: Jerry Westerby: kiwimoogle84:  Millions of jobs lost so that illegal aliens and welfare queens get insurance.

Uh, no.  Non-lawful residents and welfare recipients are specifically exempted.

How are they going to accomplish that, when most of them have benefits NOW? Do you have any idea how many MediCal recipients I process claims for all the time? Lots without social security numbers and listing the state as their source of income? Besides, I thought obamacare was so that EVERYONE could have healthcare.

Keep in mind, Obama wants to legalize 11 million illegals all at once. Massive amount of free votes, incredible burden on government.

We have a choice. Small pains now for a bright future, or free stuff for everyone now, with a guaranteed collapse later. CBO even agrees. Liberals want free stuff, and who cares about our kids! Which is funny, considering how much they biatch about the evil Baby Boomers.


Give me Instant Gratification or give me whatever you can take from someone else, just as long as I have it and they don't
 
2013-03-13 09:31:08 AM  

REO-Weedwagon: My family of derpers always unintentionally keep me abreast of the latest GOP propaganda machinations. Benghazi is out, the hottest new fad is about Obama being a "total idiot". Unlike Benghazi, however, this is going to stick. They have all the propaganda outlets lined up and on message for this new bullsh*t.

"I tell ya, that Obama is just a total idiot. It's like Jimmy Carter all over again, I tell ya what."
[www.bolgernow.com image 500x364]


FYI.... nothing new about that
 
2013-03-13 09:31:47 AM  

kiwimoogle84: I like the old-school idea that if you don't pay taxes, you don't get a vote. That would eliminate 80% of obama's supporters right there.


*CHUG*
 
2013-03-13 09:31:51 AM  

Thunderpipes: kiwimoogle84: Jerry Westerby: kiwimoogle84:  Millions of jobs lost so that illegal aliens and welfare queens get insurance.

Uh, no.  Non-lawful residents and welfare recipients are specifically exempted.

How are they going to accomplish that, when most of them have benefits NOW? Do you have any idea how many MediCal recipients I process claims for all the time? Lots without social security numbers and listing the state as their source of income? Besides, I thought obamacare was so that EVERYONE could have healthcare.

Keep in mind, Obama wants to legalize 11 million illegals all at once. Massive amount of free votes, incredible burden on government.

We have a choice. Small pains now for a bright future, or free stuff for everyone now, with a guaranteed collapse later. CBO even agrees. Liberals want free stuff, and who cares about our kids! Which is funny, considering how much they biatch about the evil Baby Boomers.


Good point.

My head hurts and I haven't had enough coffee yet today for the explosive debate that's shaping up here. I'll check back later.
 
2013-03-13 09:33:29 AM  

REO-Weedwagon: the hottest new fad is about Obama being a "total idiot".


While at the same time being an evil genius mastermind bent on total domination.

They really do believe that he is a Bond villain.
 
2013-03-13 09:33:30 AM  
Six thirty west coast time as I post this. This thread is proof that old people get up early.
 
2013-03-13 09:34:37 AM  
Holy shiat, is this what happens when a Politics Tab thread ends up on Main? I thought it was bad over there...
 
2013-03-13 09:34:55 AM  

Repo Man: Six thirty west coast time as I post this. This thread is proof that old people get up early.


Not old, just a hard worker. Overtime this morning.

/CA born and raised
 
2013-03-13 09:40:02 AM  
So... you're saying we're farked then?
 
2013-03-13 09:40:25 AM  
Why oh why didn't we elect Romney?  Yeah, that would have been so much better.
 
2013-03-13 09:41:55 AM  

Joe Blowme: GameSprocket: 50% approval and more trust than the Republicans = lost all public trust. The new Math.

No budget in 4 years does it for me, dont care what "poll" says about approval rating. I just wish he knew any kind of math


Lol. Good one.
 
2013-03-13 09:42:02 AM  
There is nothing to fix. The DOW is setting new record highs, corporate profits are at all-time highs, and the last few years have shown impressive growth in the income and wealth of the top 1%. The economy is functioning exactly the way they want it to.
 
2013-03-13 09:42:24 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: drhansenej: Anybody look at the Dow lately?  Seems to be doing just fine.

Odd, every time that was mentioned when Dubya was in office, every libderper here cried that Wall Street performance had zero to do with the economy.  Now it's a key indicator?  Shocking.


Thunderpipes: Lt. Cheese Weasel: drhansenej: Anybody look at the Dow lately?  Seems to be doing just fine.

Odd, every time that was mentioned when Dubya was in office, every libderper here cried that Wall Street performance had zero to do with the economy.  Now it's a key indicator?  Shocking.

Higher it gets, the worse the fall will be. Just wait until interest rates start rising, we pass the 20 trillion debt mark, Obamacare shuts down companies. Going to be fun. Bet people still blame Bush even with 8 years of Chumpy McHopeChange.


You know it would be easier to read your posts and consider your positions if you could post something...anything that didn't cast derision on any who disagree with you, or something that doesn't blatantly resort to ad hominem attacks. I have yet to read a single thing from either of you that does either of these things, and yet you expect to be taken seriously.

OlderGuy: snocone: OK, show of hands, how many think it makes a difference which stooge you put in the White House.
Really?

It always helps if the Pres actually likes the country.. for those who have removed the blinders, it is obvious that this one does not.. it is also obvious that with the help of his mindless devotees and his purchased slaves, he intends to destroy America, and he,s doing it... we have guns, he owns most of the bullets... yippie kiyay, mutterfuchs.....



Meh...never mind...
 
2013-03-13 09:44:45 AM  
Scalia or Kennedy may need to be replaced soon. Obama gets the courts, a racist, sexist bunch of liberal toads deciding on who gets rights. Rights start going bye bye one by one. Things keep getting bad in the economy, and let's face it, Obama is awesome at one thing, he is an awesome politician. He will blame everything on Republicans. His growing follower base will eat it up. His media will post it everywhere. Dumb kids don't know any better and have increasingly liberal parents who make babies as fast as they can, without being able to afford it, so need government care. Rinse, repeat.

Bad. Very bad.

I would love, just once, to see an honest proposal by Democrats about how to tackle the very real debt crisis, and the economic pit we are in. When all Obama says is Republicans want to give tax breaks to the rich (well, we actually just raised their taxes, and they pay a disproportionately high amount of taxes for the wealth they own) and people lap it up, not much you can do. More spending. More dependent on government. More votes. More golf with Tiger Woods. More laws. More regulations. Less rights. How long until it is too late?

We need a much broader tax base. When half the country has no stake in the game, they will always vote for the most free stuff. If you are a crack addicted baby maker, who would you vote for? They guy who says you need to take responsibility for your life and work, or the guy who promises to punish working people and give you free stuff?
 
2013-03-13 09:46:42 AM  

kiwimoogle84: Thunderpipes: Lt. Cheese Weasel: drhansenej: Anybody look at the Dow lately?  Seems to be doing just fine.

Odd, every time that was mentioned when Dubya was in office, every libderper here cried that Wall Street performance had zero to do with the economy.  Now it's a key indicator?  Shocking.

Higher it gets, the worse the fall will be. Just wait until interest rates start rising, we pass the 20 trillion debt mark, Obamacare shuts down companies. Going to be fun. Bet people still blame Bush even with 8 years of Chumpy McHopeChange.

I've been saying this for years. OBAMACARE IS BAD. It'll tax small companies out of business and eliminate a lot of larger health insurance companies. Say, for example, the one I work for. My job is about to be made obsolete. Millions of jobs lost so that illegal aliens and welfare queens get insurance. Oh, that's right, AND children can stay on their parent's insurance until 26. ...why the fark don't you have a decent job with benefits by 26?!?

Thanks, Obama. Screw you.


I run a small business, we already had healthcare for our employees ... Obamacare will do farkall to our company because we aren't greedy douchenozzles ... YMMV, of course, but if the expectation of employer provided healthcare is going to ruin your business, chances are that you're a pretty shiatty business owner.
 
2013-03-13 09:49:37 AM  

Thunderpipes: Scalia or Kennedy may need to be replaced soon. Obama gets the courts, a racist, sexist bunch of liberal toads deciding on who gets rights. Rights start going bye bye one by one. Things keep getting bad in the economy, and let's face it, Obama is awesome at one thing, he is an awesome politician. He will blame everything on Republicans. His growing follower base will eat it up. His media will post it everywhere. Dumb kids don't know any better and have increasingly liberal parents who make babies as fast as they can, without being able to afford it, so need government care. Rinse, repeat.

Bad. Very bad.

I would love, just once, to see an honest proposal by Democrats about how to tackle the very real debt crisis, and the economic pit we are in. When all Obama says is Republicans want to give tax breaks to the rich (well, we actually just raised their taxes, and they pay a disproportionately high amount of taxes for the wealth they own) and people lap it up, not much you can do. More spending. More dependent on government. More votes. More golf with Tiger Woods. More laws. More regulations. Less rights. How long until it is too late?

We need a much broader tax base. When half the country has no stake in the game, they will always vote for the most free stuff. If you are a crack addicted baby maker, who would you vote for? They guy who says you need to take responsibility for your life and work, or the guy who promises to punish working people and give you free stuff?


Right - because the economic "predictions" of right wingers always turn out to be correct.


Said no historian, ever.
 
2013-03-13 09:51:39 AM  

Thunderpipes: Scalia or Kennedy may need to be replaced soon. Obama gets the courts, a racist, sexist bunch of liberal toads deciding on who gets rights. Rights start going bye bye one by one. Things keep getting bad in the economy, and let's face it, Obama is awesome at one thing, he is an awesome politician. He will blame everything on Republicans. His growing follower base will eat it up. His media will post it everywhere. Dumb kids don't know any better and have increasingly liberal parents who make babies as fast as they can, without being able to afford it, so need government care. Rinse, repeat.

Bad. Very bad.

I would love, just once, to see an honest proposal by Democrats about how to tackle the very real debt crisis, and the economic pit we are in. When all Obama says is Republicans want to give tax breaks to the rich (well, we actually just raised their taxes, and they pay a disproportionately high amount of taxes for the wealth they own) and people lap it up, not much you can do. More spending. More dependent on government. More votes. More golf with Tiger Woods. More laws. More regulations. Less rights. How long until it is too late?

We need a much broader tax base. When half the country has no stake in the game, they will always vote for the most free stuff. If you are a crack addicted baby maker, who would you vote for? They guy who says you need to take responsibility for your life and work, or the guy who promises to punish working people and give you free stuff?


- Cut the DoD budget to $250 billion/yr from the ~$800 billion/yr ... foreign stationed tropps ... bring them home ... why do we need as large of a Navy\Air Force\Army\Coast Guard to fight Habib with a backpack bomb?
- End the War on Drugs
- Legalize, inspect, and tax recreational drugs
- Repeal Obamacare and replace with a single payer system or "Medicare for all"
- Raise the SS eligibility age 8 years over 8 years.
- Bring back Eisenhower tax rates and brackets

We'd have a balanced budget within the decade and we could start paying down the debt.  Do the math.

Any questions?
 
2013-03-13 09:53:31 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: REO-Weedwagon: the hottest new fad is about Obama being a "total idiot".

While at the same time being an evil genius mastermind bent on total domination.

They really do believe that he is a Bond villain.


Also, he never does a goddamn thing. Also, he works tirelessly to destroy the very fabric of America.
 
2013-03-13 09:57:15 AM  

jso2897: Thunderpipes: Scalia or Kennedy may need to be replaced soon. Obama gets the courts, a racist, sexist bunch of liberal toads deciding on who gets rights. Rights start going bye bye one by one. Things keep getting bad in the economy, and let's face it, Obama is awesome at one thing, he is an awesome politician. He will blame everything on Republicans. His growing follower base will eat it up. His media will post it everywhere. Dumb kids don't know any better and have increasingly liberal parents who make babies as fast as they can, without being able to afford it, so need government care. Rinse, repeat.

Bad. Very bad.

I would love, just once, to see an honest proposal by Democrats about how to tackle the very real debt crisis, and the economic pit we are in. When all Obama says is Republicans want to give tax breaks to the rich (well, we actually just raised their taxes, and they pay a disproportionately high amount of taxes for the wealth they own) and people lap it up, not much you can do. More spending. More dependent on government. More votes. More golf with Tiger Woods. More laws. More regulations. Less rights. How long until it is too late?

We need a much broader tax base. When half the country has no stake in the game, they will always vote for the most free stuff. If you are a crack addicted baby maker, who would you vote for? They guy who says you need to take responsibility for your life and work, or the guy who promises to punish working people and give you free stuff?

Right - because the economic "predictions" of right wingers always turn out to be correct.


Said no historian, ever.


Read about it yourself, dumbass. Since you like history, read about how badly the CBO understates the debt.

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-09-06/commentary/33619000_1_cbo -e stimates-debt-cbo-figures

Every January, CBO forecasts the U.S. economy for each of the subsequent 10 years. Since 1997, the agency has underestimated the yearly debt in 85 out of 110 tries.. Almost 80% of the time, the CBO produces (and politicians parrot) a ridiculously optimistic picture of the future.
Ten years ago, the CBO predicted that we'd be $7.6 trillion in debt by now. At $16 trillion, the reality is more than twice as bad. Unfortunately, that's par for the course. Since 1997, the agency's forecasts of the debt five or more years into the future have been 40% too low on average - even ignoring the 2008-2009 recession.
Currently, the CBO estimates that the federal debt will hit $25 trillion by 2021. But if that forecast is also off by 40%, we'll actually be facing a federal debt of $35 trillion by then.
What will our country look like with a $35 trillion debt? The CBO has a good track record of predicting gross domestic product, and it predicts 2021's economy will exceed $24 trillion. That will put our debt at almost 150% of GDP, or about where Greece is today.

Today the federal government pays a paltry 2.6% interest on its debt. Even if the Federal Reserve can hold rates that low for the next nine years, the U.S. will pay almost $1 trillion in interest in 2021. That's more than the government currently spends on the national defense budget, more than it spends on Social Security, and more than the cost of the entire Iraq War.
If interest rates return to earlier levels (say, 2003's 4.7%), 2021's interest expense will top $1.6 trillion. The CBO predicts that tax revenue in 2021 will be $4.7 trillion. Ignore for the moment that the agency routinely overestimates tax revenue (nine years ago, they projected that 2012's revenue would be $3.5 trillion; it was actually $2.3 trillion). A $1.6 trillion interest expense will devour over a third of federal tax revenues.
 
2013-03-13 09:57:34 AM  

Thunderpipes: (well, we actually just raised their taxes, and they pay a disproportionately high amount of taxes for the wealth they own)


This is a bold-faced lie. In terms of ratio of wealth to taxes. Wealthy pay slightly less than their fair share.

Ask me for cites. I dare you.
 
2013-03-13 10:02:51 AM  

Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: (well, we actually just raised their taxes, and they pay a disproportionately high amount of taxes for the wealth they own)

This is a bold-faced lie. In terms of ratio of wealth to taxes. Wealthy pay slightly less than their fair share.

Ask me for cites. I dare you.


Nope. Also, it is "bald-faced" lie. Learn your snarky sayings.

I will save you the trouble of your citations, figure 7 here:

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

top 20% earn 59.1% of the income, but pay 64.3% of the taxes.
 
2013-03-13 10:03:29 AM  

Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: (well, we actually just raised their taxes, and they pay a disproportionately high amount of taxes for the wealth they own)

This is a bold-faced lie. In terms of ratio of wealth to taxes. Wealthy pay slightly less than their fair share.

Ask me for cites. I dare you.


What's a fair share? How much of your money should you be allowed to keep?
 
2013-03-13 10:06:54 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: REO-Weedwagon: the hottest new fad is about Obama being a "total idiot".

While at the same time being an evil genius mastermind bent on total domination.

They really do believe that he is a Bond villain.


Your Dubya talking points on line one sir.
 
2013-03-13 10:07:11 AM  
The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.
 
2013-03-13 10:11:31 AM  

seadoo2006: Thunderpipes: Scalia or Kennedy may need to be replaced soon. Obama gets the courts, a racist, sexist bunch of liberal toads deciding on who gets rights. Rights start going bye bye one by one. Things keep getting bad in the economy, and let's face it, Obama is awesome at one thing, he is an awesome politician. He will blame everything on Republicans. His growing follower base will eat it up. His media will post it everywhere. Dumb kids don't know any better and have increasingly liberal parents who make babies as fast as they can, without being able to afford it, so need government care. Rinse, repeat.

Bad. Very bad.

I would love, just once, to see an honest proposal by Democrats about how to tackle the very real debt crisis, and the economic pit we are in. When all Obama says is Republicans want to give tax breaks to the rich (well, we actually just raised their taxes, and they pay a disproportionately high amount of taxes for the wealth they own) and people lap it up, not much you can do. More spending. More dependent on government. More votes. More golf with Tiger Woods. More laws. More regulations. Less rights. How long until it is too late?

We need a much broader tax base. When half the country has no stake in the game, they will always vote for the most free stuff. If you are a crack addicted baby maker, who would you vote for? They guy who says you need to take responsibility for your life and work, or the guy who promises to punish working people and give you free stuff?

- Cut the DoD budget to $250 billion/yr from the ~$800 billion/yr ... foreign stationed tropps ... bring them home ... why do we need as large of a Navy\Air Force\Army\Coast Guard to fight Habib with a backpack bomb?
- End the War on Drugs
- Legalize, inspect, and tax recreational drugs
- Repeal Obamacare and replace with a single payer system or "Medicare for all"
- Raise the SS eligibility age 8 years over 8 years.
- Bring back Eisenhower tax rates and brackets

We'd have a balanced bu ...



Uh, no. Just, no. You're forgetting- that when ALL claims are paid through the gov and/or by the hospital, (basically run like Kaiser- not a bad system but it only works because it's a small percentage of the hospital systems) there's no more intermediaries. There's no more health insurance companies. MY ENTIRE JOB FIELD of a decade will be up in smoke. Millions of jobs lost. MILLIONS. Meanwhile fifteen ladies in a DC office monitor the hospital AR/AP and DC will say their economy is thriving.

When there's no insurance to bill or to verify, no financial agreements to be made, no coders, no claims examiners, no claims adjusters, no customer service people for patients to call.... That would be a huge blow to the economy. I'd be reduced to returning to school to learn a completely different trade in order to stay alive. Either that or just go on welfare like the government is actively trying to get me to do.
 
2013-03-13 10:15:42 AM  

Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.


Funny, because with the tax I paid last year, I could've bought myself a pretty nice new car.  I'm liberal ... I think my taxes are too low .. so, uh, wtf are you on about?
 
2013-03-13 10:16:41 AM  
Government controlled health care will also make doctor supply dry up, worse than it already is. First thing government does, is reduce payments to doctors. Then the incentive for 8 years of school and hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical school is gone. Why do all that, to make 80k a year when you can just be a school teacher?
 
2013-03-13 10:17:44 AM  

seadoo2006: Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.

Funny, because with the tax I paid last year, I could've bought myself a pretty nice new car.  I'm liberal ... I think my taxes are too low .. so, uh, wtf are you on about?


You do know you can choose to pay more if you really think that, but we know you wont because your faux rage is just that, faux.
 
2013-03-13 10:19:08 AM  

kiwimoogle84: Uh, no. Just, no. You're forgetting- that when ALL claims are paid through the gov and/or by the hospital, (basically run like Kaiser- not a bad system but it only works because it's a small percentage of the hospital systems) there's no more intermediaries. There's no more health insurance companies. MY ENTIRE JOB FIELD of a decade will be up in smoke. Millions of jobs lost. MILLIONS. Meanwhile fifteen ladies in a DC office monitor the hospital AR/AP and DC will say their economy is thriving.

When there's no insurance to bill or to verify, no financial agreements to be made, no coders, no claims examiners, no claims adjusters, no customer service people for patients to call.... That would be a huge blow to the economy. I'd be reduced to returning to school to learn a completely different trade in order to stay alive. Either that or just go on welfare like the government is actively trying to get me to do.


So, wait, you just admitted that your entire field of business is based on bureaucratic inefficiencies and you want me to feel sorry for you because the government is actually 10x more efficient than private insurance? LOL ...
 
2013-03-13 10:19:29 AM  

kiwimoogle84: I like the old-school idea that if you don't pay taxes, you don't get a vote. That would eliminate 80% of obama's supporters right there.


Not exactly Democratic. How about: 1 Constitutionally guaranteed vote for everybody, then 1 vote for every $1000 you pay in taxes?
 
2013-03-13 10:19:45 AM  
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2013-03-13 10:20:33 AM  

Thunderpipes: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: (well, we actually just raised their taxes, and they pay a disproportionately high amount of taxes for the wealth they own)

This is a bold-faced lie. In terms of ratio of wealth to taxes. Wealthy pay slightly less than their fair share.

Ask me for cites. I dare you.

Nope. Also, it is "bald-faced" lie. Learn your snarky sayings.

I will save you the trouble of your citations, figure 7 here:

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

top 20% earn 59.1% of the income, but pay 64.3% of the taxes.


Wow. thats my cite! Awesome! Why dont you read it!!

FTFC

In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2010, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 35.4% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 53.5%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 89%, leaving only 11% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth (total net worth minus the value of one's home), the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 42.1%. Table 2 and Figure 1 present further details, drawn from the careful work of economist Edward N. Wolff at New York University (2012).

Also, originally it was "barefaced lie", not bald. Boldfaced lie is not as widely used but just as old has barefaced...and older than baldfaced.

But bold-faced goes back to Shakespeare in the sense of a shameless or impudent appearance, so it's reasonable that a boldfaced lie is one told with a shamelessly bold face. At times it's regarded as an error, though it's to be found almost as early as barefaced lie:

Ask me for a cite. I dare you.
 
2013-03-13 10:20:38 AM  

seadoo2006: Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.

Funny, because with the tax I paid last year, I could've bought myself a pretty nice new car.  I'm liberal ... I think my taxes are too low .. so, uh, wtf are you on about?


You know how I know you are a liar?
 
2013-03-13 10:22:01 AM  

Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: (well, we actually just raised their taxes, and they pay a disproportionately high amount of taxes for the wealth they own)

This is a bold-faced lie. In terms of ratio of wealth to taxes. Wealthy pay slightly less than their fair share.

Ask me for cites. I dare you.

Nope. Also, it is "bald-faced" lie. Learn your snarky sayings.

I will save you the trouble of your citations, figure 7 here:

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

top 20% earn 59.1% of the income, but pay 64.3% of the taxes.

Wow. thats my cite! Awesome! Why dont you read it!!

FTFC

In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2010, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 35.4% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 53.5%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 89%, leaving only 11% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth (total net worth minus the value of one's home), the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 42.1%. Table 2 and Figure 1 present further details, drawn from the careful work of economist Edward N. Wolff at New York University (2012).

Also, originally it was "barefaced lie", not bald. Boldfaced lie is not as widely used but just as old has barefaced...and older than baldfaced.

But bold-faced goes back to Shakespeare in the sense of a shameless or impudent appearance, so it's reasonable that a boldfaced lie is one told with a shamelessly bold face. At times it's regarded as an error, though it's to be found almost as early as barefaced lie:

Ask me for a cite. I dare you.


Why? You are wrong in everything you post. We are all now dumber for having read it. You score no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

You didn't even address the original argument, so double bad.
 
2013-03-13 10:23:20 AM  

Thunderpipes: Government controlled health care will also make doctor supply dry up, worse than it already is. First thing government does, is reduce payments to doctors. Then the incentive for 8 years of school and hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical school is gone. Why do all that, to make 80k a year when you can just be a school teacher?


Funny ... I was just thinking how many doctors became school teachers in Canada, England, France, Spain, Ireland, Belgium, Italy, Austria, Germany, Poland, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, Japan, and Australia ... man, they must have a HUGE doctor shortage, huh?  People have to be dying on the streets as well because of so few doctors not being able to make a decent living ... oh wait, you mean that doesn't happen ... and only in America do we throw people out of hospitals? Oh damn ...

Joe Blowme: seadoo2006: Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.

Funny, because with the tax I paid last year, I could've bought myself a pretty nice new car.  I'm liberal ... I think my taxes are too low .. so, uh, wtf are you on about?

You do know you can choose to pay more if you really think that, but we know you wont because your faux rage is just that, faux.


I happily pay 2% more this year for SS ... should've been more than that, but oh well, GOP grandstanding will never see that happening any time in the near future.
 
2013-03-13 10:23:51 AM  

Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: (well, we actually just raised their taxes, and they pay a disproportionately high amount of taxes for the wealth they own)

This is a bold-faced lie. In terms of ratio of wealth to taxes. Wealthy pay slightly less than their fair share.

Ask me for cites. I dare you.

Nope. Also, it is "bald-faced" lie. Learn your snarky sayings.

I will save you the trouble of your citations, figure 7 here:

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

top 20% earn 59.1% of the income, but pay 64.3% of the taxes.

Wow. thats my cite! Awesome! Why dont you read it!!

FTFC

In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2010, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 35.4% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 53.5%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 89%, leaving only 11% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth (total net worth minus the value of one's home), the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 42.1%. Table 2 and Figure 1 present further details, drawn from the careful work of economist Edward N. Wolff at New York University (2012).

Also, originally it was "barefaced lie", not bald. Boldfaced lie is not as widely used but just as old has barefaced...and older than baldfaced.

But bold-faced goes back to Shakespeare in the sense of a shameless or impudent appearance, so it's reasonable that a boldfaced lie is one told with a shamelessly bold face. At times it's regarded as an error, though it's to be found almost as early as barefaced lie:

Ask me for a cite. I dare you.


Why don't you just give the cite instead of begging for more attention like some whiny douchebag?
 
2013-03-13 10:26:04 AM  

seadoo2006: kiwimoogle84: Uh, no. Just, no. You're forgetting- that when ALL claims are paid through the gov and/or by the hospital, (basically run like Kaiser- not a bad system but it only works because it's a small percentage of the hospital systems) there's no more intermediaries. There's no more health insurance companies. MY ENTIRE JOB FIELD of a decade will be up in smoke. Millions of jobs lost. MILLIONS. Meanwhile fifteen ladies in a DC office monitor the hospital AR/AP and DC will say their economy is thriving.

When there's no insurance to bill or to verify, no financial agreements to be made, no coders, no claims examiners, no claims adjusters, no customer service people for patients to call.... That would be a huge blow to the economy. I'd be reduced to returning to school to learn a completely different trade in order to stay alive. Either that or just go on welfare like the government is actively trying to get me to do.

So, wait, you just admitted that your entire field of business is based on bureaucratic inefficiencies and you want me to feel sorry for you because the government is actually 10x more efficient than private insurance? LOL ...


Inefficiencies? Really. Inefficiencies. So you're saying that because we can reduce the number of salaries in order to get it all done, it's inefficient? What ever happened to job creation? Or job security? Hell, I know more about the entire insurance system than 90% of the people who work in government paid healthcare. I'm practically irreplaceable with what I know. So go ahead and tell me how reducing our healthcare system to one that will lay off a million workers in favor of a system run like the DMV will be better? Fewer salaries paid, sure. But not more efficient.

I'm not saying it's a perfect system, but it's as it should be- lots of options. Not to mention, do you know how much doctors and hospitals get paid on government claims? Pennies on the ten dollars. I paid Medicare claims for a while. A hospital bills 24,000 for a surgery. We send them payment of $800. The hospitals and doctors eat so much of every single claim. At least hospitals are paid like they should be when you bill a standard HMO or PPO through an insurance company. It's expensive to keep a hospital running. Believe me.
 
2013-03-13 10:26:47 AM  

seadoo2006: Thunderpipes: Government controlled health care will also make doctor supply dry up, worse than it already is. First thing government does, is reduce payments to doctors. Then the incentive for 8 years of school and hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical school is gone. Why do all that, to make 80k a year when you can just be a school teacher?

Funny ... I was just thinking how many doctors became school teachers in Canada, England, France, Spain, Ireland, Belgium, Italy, Austria, Germany, Poland, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, Japan, and Australia ... man, they must have a HUGE doctor shortage, huh?  People have to be dying on the streets as well because of so few doctors not being able to make a decent living ... oh wait, you mean that doesn't happen ... and only in America do we throw people out of hospitals? Oh damn ...

Joe Blowme: seadoo2006: Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.

Funny, because with the tax I paid last year, I could've bought myself a pretty nice new car.  I'm liberal ... I think my taxes are too low .. so, uh, wtf are you on about?

You do know you can choose to pay more if you really think that, but we know you wont because your faux rage is just that, faux.

I happily pay 2% more this year for SS ... should've been more than that, but oh well, GOP grandstanding will never see that happening any time in the near future.


Everyone is, but you were crying that you dont pay enough but are just lying because if you really felt that way you would be paying more by checking the box and writing that check.... so we can all see you are full of shiat. Put your money where your mouth is and pay your fair share damn it.
 
2013-03-13 10:29:27 AM  
It's not like he cares now.  He won second term.  He's pulling a Bush.
 
2013-03-13 10:30:23 AM  

seadoo2006: Thunderpipes: Government controlled health care will also make doctor supply dry up, worse than it already is. First thing government does, is reduce payments to doctors. Then the incentive for 8 years of school and hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical school is gone. Why do all that, to make 80k a year when you can just be a school teacher?

Funny ... I was just thinking how many doctors became school teachers in Canada, England, France, Spain, Ireland, Belgium, Italy, Austria, Germany, Poland, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, Japan, and Australia ... man, they must have a HUGE doctor shortage, huh?  People have to be dying on the streets as well because of so few doctors not being able to make a decent living ... oh wait, you mean that doesn't happen ... and only in America do we throw people out of hospitals? Oh damn ...

Joe Blowme: seadoo2006: Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.

Funny, because with the tax I paid last year, I could've bought myself a pretty nice new car.  I'm liberal ... I think my taxes are too low .. so, uh, wtf are you on about?

You do know you can choose to pay more if you really think that, but we know you wont because your faux rage is just that, faux.

I happily pay 2% more this year for SS ... should've been more than that, but oh well, GOP grandstanding will never see that happening any time in the near future.


I was stupid once too, I got better. Those countries are all small, the ones that are not are experiencing problems. They also collect taxes from a much broader base than we do.

Of course you are "happy" to pay more taxes. Every liberal is on this board, until it is time to, you know, actually pay taxes. If you were so gung ho to pay taxes, you would actually elect people who would broaden the tax base.

And where do we throw people out of hospitals? Our poor receive better medical care than the rich in most nations. It is free. How often do people go to Canada for surgery? Takes something like 6 months up there to get your knee fixed, takes 6 weeks here. Screw that. I have to get a plate taken out of my ankle. They are scheduling 5 weeks out. In Canada that would mean I miss another summer of running.
 
2013-03-13 10:31:39 AM  

Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.


This post right here is all you ever need to know about thunderpipes.


One sided, black and white twisted world view, no in betweens only absolutes.


His team good, all other teams bad and trying to destroy the country.


This kind of Fanaticism is often only seen in the highly disturbed.

 
2013-03-13 10:33:51 AM  

Joe Blowme: seadoo2006: Thunderpipes: Government controlled health care will also make doctor supply dry up, worse than it already is. First thing government does, is reduce payments to doctors. Then the incentive for 8 years of school and hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical school is gone. Why do all that, to make 80k a year when you can just be a school teacher?

Funny ... I was just thinking how many doctors became school teachers in Canada, England, France, Spain, Ireland, Belgium, Italy, Austria, Germany, Poland, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, Japan, and Australia ... man, they must have a HUGE doctor shortage, huh?  People have to be dying on the streets as well because of so few doctors not being able to make a decent living ... oh wait, you mean that doesn't happen ... and only in America do we throw people out of hospitals? Oh damn ...

Joe Blowme: seadoo2006: Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.

Funny, because with the tax I paid last year, I could've bought myself a pretty nice new car.  I'm liberal ... I think my taxes are too low .. so, uh, wtf are you on about?

You do know you can choose to pay more if you really think that, but we know you wont because your faux rage is just that, faux.

I happily pay 2% more this year for SS ... should've been more than that, but oh well, GOP grandstanding will never see that happening any time in the near future.

Everyone is, but you were crying that you dont pay enough but are just lying because if you really felt that way you would be paying more by checking the box and writing that check.... so we can all see you are full of shiat. Put your money where your mouth is and pay your fair share damn it.


When our lawmakers make it so, I will ... just like you.  So, while you grumble all the way to the post office to file that return, I'll just have another deduction out of my checking account.  Again, cry about it.  Jeeze, nobody in the 1950s thought the 92% marginal tax rate was some communist plot to steal your monies ... it was expected from everyone that was wealthy to support the society we live in.  Hell, even McCarthy, that red-faced blow hole didn't even take time to call a 92% marginal rate communist while he named just about everything else under the sun as a sign the Ruskies were coming.
 
2013-03-13 10:37:50 AM  

Raharu: Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.

This post right here is all you ever need to know about thunderpipes.
One sided, black and white twisted world view, no in betweens only absolutes.
His team good, all other teams bad and trying to destroy the country.
This kind of Fanaticism is often only seen in the highly disturbed.


img.photobucket.com

Word.
 
2013-03-13 10:39:19 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: What?  Jobs numbers up, consumer spending up, stock market up, housing market up.  What are you talking about?


There's still a black man in the White House.
 
2013-03-13 10:41:10 AM  

Thunderpipes: Lots of words.


Actually, the original scope of my remarks was far too narrow. I should have used the term "ideologically predicated predictions". Of course, even pragmatic, historically based attempts to predict the economic future have a dismal record of success.
This is because economics is not a "hard science" , if, indeed, it is a science at all. An economy is not a machine, wherein pulling lever "A" will predictably yield result "B" - and it never has been. Further distorting this inherent difficulty with rigid ideological paradigms only makes it worse.
In the early days of the Roosevelt administration, the exact same ideologues that are around today were predicting the exact same thing they are predicting now - an endless downward spiral into utter economic ruin. Instead, we recovered from the Great Depression and entered the greatest period of ecomonic expansion ever known.
You predictions are worth precisely as much as those issuing from the mouth of the most didactic Marxist imaginable.
But hey - you just get on with your bad self - and don't ever change.
 
2013-03-13 10:41:18 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: What? Jobs numbers up, consumer spending up, stock market up, housing market up. What are you talking about?


Confound it, the president is a niBONG!
 
2013-03-13 10:43:06 AM  

Thunderpipes: You didn't even address the original argument, so double bad.


Oops. Wealthy control 89% of the income and pay 86% of the taxes. Which, like I originally said, is slightly less in proportion. Nice try at moving the goalposts tho. Also I am not wrong in ANYTHING I have posted here, corroborated by your own sources.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Why don't you just give the cite instead of begging for more attention like some whiny douchebag?


Somebody is definitely whining here, but it aint me, LT (that rymes, hee hee  :o) . I got a better idea, why dont you do you're own farking research, instead of relying on liberal douchebags to do it for you?
 
2013-03-13 10:43:27 AM  

Raharu: Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.

This post right here is all you ever need to know about thunderpipes.
One sided, black and white twisted world view, no in betweens only absolutes.
His team good, all other teams bad and trying to destroy the country.
This kind of Fanaticism is often only seen in the highly disturbed.


and can be clearly seen on the politics tab by both sides of the political spectrum. or maybe there is a disproportionate number of highly disturbed people on fark
 
2013-03-13 10:45:03 AM  

seadoo2006: When our lawmakers make it so, I will


So you dont really believe you dont pay enough, got it. You reasoning is like a smoker saying he will quit when someone makes everyone else quit too. You have the option to pay as much as you feel your fair share is yet dont, so it just shows you are full of shiat when you say you dont pay enough just like Buffet. Put up or shut up, pay the 92% you love so much if its not that big of a deal... or are you just a typical liberal who is so generous with other peoples money?
 
2013-03-13 10:48:28 AM  

jso2897: Thunderpipes: Lots of words.

Actually, the original scope of my remarks was far too narrow. I should have used the term "ideologically predicated predictions". Of course, even pragmatic, historically based attempts to predict the economic future have a dismal record of success.
This is because economics is not a "hard science" , if, indeed, it is a science at all. An economy is not a machine, wherein pulling lever "A" will predictably yield result "B" - and it never has been. Further distorting this inherent difficulty with rigid ideological paradigms only makes it worse.
In the early days of the Roosevelt administration, the exact same ideologues that are around today were predicting the exact same thing they are predicting now - an endless downward spiral into utter economic ruin. Instead, we recovered from the Great Depression and entered the greatest period of ecomonic expansion ever known.
You predictions are worth precisely as much as those issuing from the mouth of the most didactic Marxist imaginable.
But hey - you just get on with your bad self - and don't ever change.


Yea it was all Roosevelt, not the whole ww2 thing.
 
2013-03-13 10:52:01 AM  

GORDON: Has he stopped blaming his failures on the guy who was president the previous 4 years?  Ha.


more importantly how much does subby get paid to be a shill and how do I get in on the action?
 
2013-03-13 10:52:21 AM  

Joe Blowme: seadoo2006: When our lawmakers make it so, I will

So you dont really believe you dont pay enough, got it. You reasoning is like a smoker saying he will quit when someone makes everyone else quit too. You have the option to pay as much as you feel your fair share is yet dont, so it just shows you are full of shiat when you say you dont pay enough just like Buffet. Put up or shut up, pay the 92% you love so much if its not that big of a deal... or are you just a typical liberal who is so generous with other peoples money?


LOL ... u mad? One person overpaying their taxes does precisely nothing.  In your case, you might as well murder the poor people who don't pay taxes, right? Put up or shut up ... because you whining that 53% of the country gets shiat for free does nothing ... typical Conservative, always trying to beat down the lazy ...

As for me, I'll keep voting legislators that will raise taxes .... and you know what, that $800 Billion military you love so dearly is going to require we ALL get gangraped by taxes for the next century ... prepare yourself ...
;-)
 
2013-03-13 10:56:15 AM  

seadoo2006: Joe Blowme: seadoo2006: When our lawmakers make it so, I will

So you dont really believe you dont pay enough, got it. You reasoning is like a smoker saying he will quit when someone makes everyone else quit too. You have the option to pay as much as you feel your fair share is yet dont, so it just shows you are full of shiat when you say you dont pay enough just like Buffet. Put up or shut up, pay the 92% you love so much if its not that big of a deal... or are you just a typical liberal who is so generous with other peoples money?

LOL ... u mad? One person overpaying their taxes does precisely nothing.  In your case, you might as well murder the poor people who don't pay taxes, right? Put up or shut up ... because you whining that 53% of the country gets shiat for free does nothing ... typical Conservative, always trying to beat down the lazy ...

As for me, I'll keep voting legislators that will raise taxes .... and you know what, that $800 Billion military you love so dearly is going to require we ALL get gangraped by taxes for the next century ... prepare yourself ...
;-)


Wow, do you always post shiat that others do not say and say they said it? You are a tard. Pay your fair share!!!!
 
2013-03-13 10:59:18 AM  

Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.


Seriously? I'm about as liberal as they come and I just finished working on a campaign for a tax levy for the local school district.

Plus, I'm a single mom who has never been on any type of welfare, and I have a decent job with benefits. Let the butthurt begin.
 
2013-03-13 11:01:47 AM  

seadoo2006: Joe Blowme: seadoo2006: When our lawmakers make it so, I will

So you dont really believe you dont pay enough, got it. You reasoning is like a smoker saying he will quit when someone makes everyone else quit too. You have the option to pay as much as you feel your fair share is yet dont, so it just shows you are full of shiat when you say you dont pay enough just like Buffet. Put up or shut up, pay the 92% you love so much if its not that big of a deal... or are you just a typical liberal who is so generous with other peoples money?

LOL ... u mad? One person overpaying their taxes does precisely nothing.  In your case, you might as well murder the poor people who don't pay taxes, right? Put up or shut up ... because you whining that 53% of the country gets shiat for free does nothing ... typical Conservative, always trying to beat down the lazy ...

As for me, I'll keep voting legislators that will raise taxes .... and you know what, that $800 Billion military you love so dearly is going to require we ALL get gangraped by taxes for the next century ... prepare yourself ...
;-)


Yes. Absolutely. Why should someone get crap for free just because they don't feel like working for it? I know of people who rode out unemployment and turned down jobs just because they didn't feel like working. Meanwhile I am breaking my back trying just to survive. I just want to go to work and come home and earn my paychecks. But I instead get to pay for low-income people to get CELL PHONES for FREE! YAY! You made a previous comment regarding not feeling sorry for my job field disappearing. Well not everyone can be rich, dude. Glad you can afford those extra taxes. I make a decent living and I'm still scraping by, because you don't know my life circumstances nor what I'm paying for/dealing with.

I am absolutely for a welfare system that requires recipients to work part time for the state picking up garbage or working in a homeless shelter in order to receive their pay. I'm absolutely for a welfare system that requires female applicants to go on mandatory birth control.

And also, not all conservatives are all 'MERICA! GUNS AND MILITARY AND PIE! I want every single troop withdrawn from overseas like Obama promised to do. Instead he pulled them out of one place and sent them other places. Not what we bargained for. I don't think we should be sticking our nose in ANY overseas business, nor sending other countries aid when we can't even pay our bills.
 
2013-03-13 11:03:45 AM  
Don't expect any help from Congress or SCOTUS. They have been full of self-aggrandizing farktards for quite a while.

We will continue to lose our liberty in the name of security and will continue to lose our economy to organized greed and corruption; it's the American Way.
 
2013-03-13 11:06:47 AM  

QueenMamaBee: Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.

Seriously? I'm about as liberal as they come and I just finished working on a campaign for a tax levy for the local school district.

Plus, I'm a single mom who has never been on any type of welfare, and I have a decent job with benefits. Let the butthurt begin.


All those programs put in place for single moms and you choose to work? Youre making the rest look bad! Aunt Tom!
 
2013-03-13 11:08:59 AM  

kiwimoogle84: seadoo2006: Joe Blowme: seadoo2006: When our lawmakers make it so, I will

So you dont really believe you dont pay enough, got it. You reasoning is like a smoker saying he will quit when someone makes everyone else quit too. You have the option to pay as much as you feel your fair share is yet dont, so it just shows you are full of shiat when you say you dont pay enough just like Buffet. Put up or shut up, pay the 92% you love so much if its not that big of a deal... or are you just a typical liberal who is so generous with other peoples money?

LOL ... u mad? One person overpaying their taxes does precisely nothing.  In your case, you might as well murder the poor people who don't pay taxes, right? Put up or shut up ... because you whining that 53% of the country gets shiat for free does nothing ... typical Conservative, always trying to beat down the lazy ...

As for me, I'll keep voting legislators that will raise taxes .... and you know what, that $800 Billion military you love so dearly is going to require we ALL get gangraped by taxes for the next century ... prepare yourself ...
;-)

Yes. Absolutely. Why should someone get crap for free just because they don't feel like working for it? I know of people who rode out unemployment and turned down jobs just because they didn't feel like working. Meanwhile I am breaking my back trying just to survive. I just want to go to work and come home and earn my paychecks. But I instead get to pay for low-income people to get CELL PHONES for FREE! YAY! You made a previous comment regarding not feeling sorry for my job field disappearing. Well not everyone can be rich, dude. Glad you can afford those extra taxes. I make a decent living and I'm still scraping by, because you don't know my life circumstances nor what I'm paying for/dealing with.

I am absolutely for a welfare system that requires recipients to work part time for the state picking up garbage or working in a homeless shelter in order to receive their pay. I'm ab ...


Not even close to being rich, I'd say you need to be north of that $200k line, which sadly, I'm not even close to ... However, I'm solidly middle class, top 20% income ... but I live in Ohio, pay next to nothing in rent, have only a small amount of student loan debt, have a live-in GF that works, and we don't have kids.  With what I make a year, I could barely afford the rent for a 2 bedroom apartment in NYC, but see, life is about decisions.  Like when you have a kid, you're going to be poor unless you rob a bank.

But hey, don't tax the rich, I don't care ... all you're going to do is butt fark the middle class, you know, the one we're all in because only 2/100 of us are pulling home a $250k+ income.  My exit strategy is moving back to Ireland if things go tits up, what's yours?
 
2013-03-13 11:09:43 AM  

Onkel Buck: QueenMamaBee: Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.

Seriously? I'm about as liberal as they come and I just finished working on a campaign for a tax levy for the local school district.

Plus, I'm a single mom who has never been on any type of welfare, and I have a decent job with benefits. Let the butthurt begin.

All those programs put in place for single moms and you choose to work? Youre making the rest look bad! Aunt Tom!


I'll admit I laughed, but QueenMamaBee, good for you. Really.
 
2013-03-13 11:16:02 AM  

seadoo2006: kiwimoogle84: seadoo2006: Joe Blowme: seadoo2006: When our lawmakers make it so, I will

So you dont really believe you dont pay enough, got it. You reasoning is like a smoker saying he will quit when someone makes everyone else quit too. You have the option to pay as much as you feel your fair share is yet dont, so it just shows you are full of shiat when you say you dont pay enough just like Buffet. Put up or shut up, pay the 92% you love so much if its not that big of a deal... or are you just a typical liberal who is so generous with other peoples money?

LOL ... u mad? One person overpaying their taxes does precisely nothing.  In your case, you might as well murder the poor people who don't pay taxes, right? Put up or shut up ... because you whining that 53% of the country gets shiat for free does nothing ... typical Conservative, always trying to beat down the lazy ...

As for me, I'll keep voting legislators that will raise taxes .... and you know what, that $800 Billion military you love so dearly is going to require we ALL get gangraped by taxes for the next century ... prepare yourself ...
;-)

Yes. Absolutely. Why should someone get crap for free just because they don't feel like working for it? I know of people who rode out unemployment and turned down jobs just because they didn't feel like working. Meanwhile I am breaking my back trying just to survive. I just want to go to work and come home and earn my paychecks. But I instead get to pay for low-income people to get CELL PHONES for FREE! YAY! You made a previous comment regarding not feeling sorry for my job field disappearing. Well not everyone can be rich, dude. Glad you can afford those extra taxes. I make a decent living and I'm still scraping by, because you don't know my life circumstances nor what I'm paying for/dealing with.

I am absolutely for a welfare system that requires recipients to work part time for the state picking up garbage or working in a homeless shelter in order to receive the ...


To quote Adam Corolla from The Hammer: "You called me middle class. That's about the nicest thing anyone ever said to me." I joke but it's true- I take home the poverty line for a family of four. Which doesn't sound that bad but living in California (because that's where all my family is) is awful.

And actually, I'm for capping CEO to low-rung employee ratios and upping the taxes on capital gains. So not all conservatives want to ignore the problems with the super wealthy either.

Moving to Ireland sounds good to me. Maybe I'll do southern England. We'll see if I can find an agent for the book I wrote. Maybe I can become the next 1%er.
 
2013-03-13 11:23:30 AM  
Thunderpipes:
Should cost $5,000 to vote in federal elections.

OK, got it.
Tool.
 
2013-03-13 11:25:26 AM  

Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.


I am a 'socialist Marxist commie librul". I have paid for college using student loans and in fact voted to RAISE taxes in my neighborhood to improve the public schools. I have a full time job and have received zero handouts. How does someone like you and your fellow trolls explain that O' Great Trolly One?


/i dont know why im feeding you troll
//dinosaurs must die
 
2013-03-13 11:39:13 AM  

Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: You didn't even address the original argument, so double bad.

Oops. Wealthy control 89% of the income and pay 86% of the taxes. Which, like I originally said, is slightly less in proportion. Nice try at moving the goalposts tho. Also I am not wrong in ANYTHING I have posted here, corroborated by your own sources.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Why don't you just give the cite instead of begging for more attention like some whiny douchebag?

Somebody is definitely whining here, but it aint me, LT (that rymes, hee hee  :o) . I got a better idea, why dont you do you're own farking research, instead of relying on liberal douchebags to do it for you?


Right, got you down for 'I don't really have a cite, but like talking out of my ass.'
 
2013-03-13 11:40:50 AM  

deanis: Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.

I am a 'socialist Marxist commie librul". I have paid for college using student loans and in fact voted to RAISE taxes in my neighborhood to improve the public schools. I have a full time job and have received zero handouts. How does someone like you and your fellow trolls explain that O' Great Trolly One?


/i dont know why im feeding you troll
//dinosaurs must die


There are some extremes on both sides, it's true. However, then there's people like me who kind of don't fit anywhere. Pro marijuana legalization, pro birth control and pro choice, pro death penalty, anti war and foreign aid, anti welfare, anti Obamacare, pro wealthy tax increases.Trust me, I know I'm a bizarre sort. I simply follow the logic that you have to work to earn your living and there are no free lunches, because for every free lunch person A gets, person B now has to pay for two lunches.
 
2013-03-13 11:46:26 AM  

deanis: I have a full time job and have received zero handouts.


Shenanigans.  Everyone knows THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LIBERAL WITH A JOB.
 
2013-03-13 11:47:48 AM  

Thunderpipes: Will be 20 trillion in debt with a crappy economy after 8 years of his crap.

Paint it any color you want, your boy is bad for the country. 7-8% unemployment with less people working and lowering family income is the new norm. Hope. Change. Just going to get worse with Obamacare fully implemented.


The country is bad for the country.  Millions of us are responsible for the crash and now for a recovery, not one single man in the WH. Whether its BHO or GWB. The people caused this mess.
 
2013-03-13 11:51:09 AM  
Man, the butthurt trolling is thick in here.
 
2013-03-13 12:06:14 PM  
As Amerika prepares for the coming civil war,, which side would you put your money on?
 
2013-03-13 12:09:57 PM  

kiwimoogle84: seadoo2006: Joe Blowme: seadoo2006: When our lawmakers make it so, I will

So you dont really believe you dont pay enough, got it. You reasoning is like a smoker saying he will quit when someone makes everyone else quit too. You have the option to pay as much as you feel your fair share is yet dont, so it just shows you are full of shiat when you say you dont pay enough just like Buffet. Put up or shut up, pay the 92% you love so much if its not that big of a deal... or are you just a typical liberal who is so generous with other peoples money?

LOL ... u mad? One person overpaying their taxes does precisely nothing.  In your case, you might as well murder the poor people who don't pay taxes, right? Put up or shut up ... because you whining that 53% of the country gets shiat for free does nothing ... typical Conservative, always trying to beat down the lazy ...

As for me, I'll keep voting legislators that will raise taxes .... and you know what, that $800 Billion military you love so dearly is going to require we ALL get gangraped by taxes for the next century ... prepare yourself ...
;-)

Yes. Absolutely. Why should someone get crap for free just because they don't feel like working for it? I know of people who rode out unemployment and turned down jobs just because they didn't feel like working. Meanwhile I am breaking my back trying just to survive. I just want to go to work and come home and earn my paychecks. But I instead get to pay for low-income people to get CELL PHONES for FREE! YAY! You made a previous comment regarding not feeling sorry for my job field disappearing. Well not everyone can be rich, dude. Glad you can afford those extra taxes. I make a decent living and I'm still scraping by, because you don't know my life circumstances nor what I'm paying for/dealing with.

I am absolutely for a welfare system that requires recipients to work part time for the state picking up garbage or working in a homeless shelter in order to receive their pay. I'm ab ...


You always strike me as a woman with a huge, HUGE chip on her shoulder.
 
2013-03-13 12:17:59 PM  

Onkel Buck: QueenMamaBee: Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.

Seriously? I'm about as liberal as they come and I just finished working on a campaign for a tax levy for the local school district.

Plus, I'm a single mom who has never been on any type of welfare, and I have a decent job with benefits. Let the butthurt begin.

All those programs put in place for single moms and you choose to work? Youre making the rest look bad! Aunt Tom!


As with most things I do.... I choose to work to piss off Republicans. It confuses them because I don't fit a stereotype. As for the thing I reproduced with.... all I can do is claim temporary insanity.... the very definition of generational welfare and die-hard Republicans.

Oh who am I kidding? I thought I could "save" him, but that was stupidity to be talked about some other time. Either way... I work, I pay for my kid, I voted to raise taxes for his school, and I don't take handouts. However, I don't think everyone on welfare is "lazy," and I'm all for helping out those who need an honest hand and I'm for kicking everyone off the government tab who gets their "gold card" by claiming "my back hurts." Yeah, mine does too, naproxen is a good thing, now get your arse to work!
 
2013-03-13 12:20:13 PM  

Toxic Park: kiwimoogle84: seadoo2006: Joe Blowme: seadoo2006: When our lawmakers make it so, I will

So you dont really believe you dont pay enough, got it. You reasoning is like a smoker saying he will quit when someone makes everyone else quit too. You have the option to pay as much as you feel your fair share is yet dont, so it just shows you are full of shiat when you say you dont pay enough just like Buffet. Put up or shut up, pay the 92% you love so much if its not that big of a deal... or are you just a typical liberal who is so generous with other peoples money?

LOL ... u mad? One person overpaying their taxes does precisely nothing.  In your case, you might as well murder the poor people who don't pay taxes, right? Put up or shut up ... because you whining that 53% of the country gets shiat for free does nothing ... typical Conservative, always trying to beat down the lazy ...

As for me, I'll keep voting legislators that will raise taxes .... and you know what, that $800 Billion military you love so dearly is going to require we ALL get gangraped by taxes for the next century ... prepare yourself ...
;-)

Yes. Absolutely. Why should someone get crap for free just because they don't feel like working for it? I know of people who rode out unemployment and turned down jobs just because they didn't feel like working. Meanwhile I am breaking my back trying just to survive. I just want to go to work and come home and earn my paychecks. But I instead get to pay for low-income people to get CELL PHONES for FREE! YAY! You made a previous comment regarding not feeling sorry for my job field disappearing. Well not everyone can be rich, dude. Glad you can afford those extra taxes. I make a decent living and I'm still scraping by, because you don't know my life circumstances nor what I'm paying for/dealing with.

I am absolutely for a welfare system that requires recipients to work part time for the state picking up garbage or working in a homeless shelter in order to receive the ...


I'm not going to deny that I'm angry about a system that isn't designed to help the hard-working. When I discovered I had a medical issue but had no health insurance, since my job at the time didn't offer it, I still made "too much" to qualify for ANY type of aid. Which is hilarious because I barely scrape by. So I had to change jobs to one that paid the same but only offered terrible "insurance"- if you can call it that- since I pay $400 a month to only have 70% of my medical bills covered. That really sucks for me.

I just dislike people who abuse the system. There's cases where it's needed- like my stepfather, who gets partial unemployment because his work only has work for him 2 or 3 out of 5 days a week since no one is building anything right now. But I just despise the derp in America today.
 
2013-03-13 12:24:51 PM  
Just some comments.

1) Single payer / waaaaaaa my industry is going to die if it happens: No matter what happens with taxes, cuts are going to have to come from somewhere. The insurance industry is by nature a parasitic industry, and if in total efficiencies can be made by eliminating it then its what we should do. It sucks to be the people in that line of work but....

2) Someone is going to lose / not in my back yard! - This is one of the major problems facing the country at the moment. Everyone knows there is a problem, everyone is angry about it, *no one* is willing to take the pain to fix it. "The goverment needs to spend less... but don't you dare cut the pork that feeds my industry!", "The poor should find a job the damn lazy bums, but don't they dare ask for programs to help them do so!"

3) Lies, Damn lies, and statistics- Yes, the top 1% pay more income taxes *in total* then the everyone else, but this comparison falls to pieces when looked at as a percentage of income paid in taxes with *all* relevant taxes figured (Income, payroll, sales. property-figured indirectly as part of rental costs). There is also the fact that you can't take what the poor don't have. The only direct way to raise revenues is to tax the top 20% income earners more *while* closing loopholes for everyone.

4) Haha, yea stick it to the rich.. wait what do you mean your cutting my programs too?!?- However, the Republicans are right that we can't just tax our way out of this mess in the long run. Government programs *in total* are going to need to be cut over time. The sequester, in and of itself, wasn't a terribly bad idea, just horrible implemented and timed. This is going to mean cuts in defense, this is going to mean reductions in 'entitlements', this is going to mean improving efficiencies in the markets and programs that are going to negatively impact entire industries, research institutions, and peoples lives as programs are cut, industries are rendered redundant and tax supports are scaled back or eliminated. The best case would be that we scale back the "Sky is Falling!" rhetoric and implement these changes in a calm, methodical, and rational manner after some further economic improvement. Basically using keeping it at a point where it just sucks a little. You know, cutting programs during the good times to minimize the economic impact of the cuts themselves.

/ Ties the blindfold around his head
// The bullets are in two piles, labled Left and Right respectively, so while reloading you don't have to touch.
/// I regret nothing... well maybe one or two nights after drinking.
 
2013-03-13 12:31:30 PM  

cwolf20: It's not like he cares now.  He won second term.  He's pulling a Bush.


Letting terrorists attack the Twin Towers?

Watching the banks destroy the American/World economy?

Entering into two unfounded wars that sent our friends and children and fathers into harm's way unnecessarily?

Embarrassing our country with his clumsy, bullying approach to foreign relations?

Oh. Yeah. Total Bush league behavior. The country is clearly worse off than it was 4 years ago. You've convinced me - and the majority of the country. You know, the majority that voted for him. Now the Obama naysayers are just a loud, frightened minority.
 
2013-03-13 12:36:21 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: As Amerika prepares for the coming civil war,, which side would you put your money on?


well seeing as your disability is coming from Uncle Sam I guess that's where your money is, fighting the domestic terrorists?
 
2013-03-13 12:36:31 PM  
Republicans? Help government work? Bahahahahahahha LOL BAHAHAHAH
 
2013-03-13 12:37:49 PM  

Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.


What planet are you from?!

Only stupid people work, and your overlords have got you for every dime and nickel you own. XD
 
2013-03-13 12:42:55 PM  

tlars699: Thunderpipes: The article I posted is a crunchy article as well, but makes my point.

Fair share according to liberals is pay 100% of the bills for anybody who votes Democrat. Democrats should pay no taxes whatsoever, because it is fair, in their minds. Only evil people work, and must be punished.

What planet are you from?!

Only stupid people work, and your overlords have got you for every dime and nickel you own. XD


...you wanna run that one by us again? How, exactly, do YOU pay your bills then?
 
2013-03-13 12:44:03 PM  
If living on the government dole is so good, it's a real wonder why smartypants like thunderpipes and Joe Blowme haven't gotten the sense to just quit their jobs and live on welfare.  Shiat man, if welfare gets me a Cadillac and some 24" rims along with cash money and EBTs every month to buy lottery tickets and booze, sign me right the fark up!

....

Or, it could just be that these disingenuous farktards don't actually believe a word of the filth that leaves their silly little minds and they are just cogs in the wheel like the rest of us plebeians angry that they are stuck at home with 4 kids, a house that's underwater because they were too dumb to read the market forecast, an ever declining savings account, and a non-existent 401k and they just want someone weaker and easier to punch every now and then.

I'm fine with that, but at least just admit to it you dweebs.
 
2013-03-13 12:45:47 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: You didn't even address the original argument, so double bad.

Oops. Wealthy control 89% of the income and pay 86% of the taxes. Which, like I originally said, is slightly less in proportion. Nice try at moving the goalposts tho. Also I am not wrong in ANYTHING I have posted here, corroborated by your own sources.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Why don't you just give the cite instead of begging for more attention like some whiny douchebag?

Somebody is definitely whining here, but it aint me, LT (that rymes, hee hee  :o) . I got a better idea, why dont you do you're own farking research, instead of relying on liberal douchebags to do it for you?

Right, got you down for 'I don't really have a cite, but like talking out of my ass.'


LOL any excuse to discount my position, eh, LT? Fine, here ya go, even though it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, ya shill.

I notice your buddy Thunder has beat a hasty retreat from the thread. Why don't you go ahead and follow him so I don't have to make you look stupid, too.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bal2.htm
 
2013-03-13 12:58:18 PM  

Thunderpipes: Will be 20 trillion in debt with a crappy economy after 8 years of his crap.

Paint it any color you want, your boy is bad for the country. 7-8% unemployment with less people working and lowering family income is the new norm. Hope. Change. Just going to get worse with Obamacare fully implemented.



at least we know who to thank

/our b-b-b-ros to the right of the isle
//never going back
\\not even backslashes will do the trick
 
2013-03-13 01:04:10 PM  

Madbassist1: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: You didn't even address the original argument, so double bad.

Oops. Wealthy control 89% of the income and pay 86% of the taxes. Which, like I originally said, is slightly less in proportion. Nice try at moving the goalposts tho. Also I am not wrong in ANYTHING I have posted here, corroborated by your own sources.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Why don't you just give the cite instead of begging for more attention like some whiny douchebag?

Somebody is definitely whining here, but it aint me, LT (that rymes, hee hee  :o) . I got a better idea, why dont you do you're own farking research, instead of relying on liberal douchebags to do it for you?

Right, got you down for 'I don't really have a cite, but like talking out of my ass.'

LOL any excuse to discount my position, eh, LT? Fine, here ya go, even though it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, ya shill.

I notice your buddy Thunder has beat a hasty retreat from the thread. Why don't you go ahead and follow him so I don't have to make you look stupid, too.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bal2.htm


A blog?  A personal BLOG is your cite?  OMG.....you're priceless.
 
2013-03-13 01:05:06 PM  
Fellow tax-paying, non-Republicans.

Please remember this thread when you're not sure if you want to wait in that long line to vote.

It is up to you to offset the votes of all these misguided "conservatives."
 
2013-03-13 01:07:56 PM  
Funny how all liberals here want more taxes, but vote for politicians who want to tax you less, and everyone else more....
 
2013-03-13 01:09:51 PM  

kiwimoogle84: I'm not going to deny that I'm angry about a system that isn't designed to help the hard-working. When I discovered I had a medical issue but had no health insurance, since my job at the time didn't offer it, I still made "too much" to qualify for ANY type of aid. Which is hilarious because I barely scrape by. So I had to change jobs to one that paid the same but only offered terrible "insurance"- if you can call it that- since I pay $400 a month to only have 70% of my medical bills covered. That really sucks for me.

I just dislike people who abuse the system. There's cases where it's needed- like my stepfather, who gets partial unemployment because his work only has work for him 2 or 3 out of 5 days a week since no one is building anything right now. But I just despise the derp in America today.


Fair enough, and I agree with you for the most part. In fact I don't think anybody really likes those who game the system because it isn't fair. I just don't think it does any good to be seething with rage over it.  It just makes a person look like all they have is an axe to grind and it turns people off to engaging you over the issues.

Fellow Californian here. Yes it's tough to get by compared with many parts of the nation.
 
2013-03-13 01:13:01 PM  

kiwimoogle84: I'm practically irreplaceable with what I know.


Your entire premise is based upon this statement being untrue. That doesn't give you any sort of cognitive dissonance?
 
2013-03-13 01:15:26 PM  

Toxic Park: kiwimoogle84: I'm not going to deny that I'm angry about a system that isn't designed to help the hard-working. When I discovered I had a medical issue but had no health insurance, since my job at the time didn't offer it, I still made "too much" to qualify for ANY type of aid. Which is hilarious because I barely scrape by. So I had to change jobs to one that paid the same but only offered terrible "insurance"- if you can call it that- since I pay $400 a month to only have 70% of my medical bills covered. That really sucks for me.

I just dislike people who abuse the system. There's cases where it's needed- like my stepfather, who gets partial unemployment because his work only has work for him 2 or 3 out of 5 days a week since no one is building anything right now. But I just despise the derp in America today.

Fair enough, and I agree with you for the most part. In fact I don't think anybody really likes those who game the system because it isn't fair. I just don't think it does any good to be seething with rage over it.  It just makes a person look like all they have is an axe to grind and it turns people off to engaging you over the issues.

Fellow Californian here. Yes it's tough to get by compared with many parts of the nation.


You make a valid point about my seething rage, it just hits me REALLY close to home right now since after my $400 in insurance deductions, I'm still looking at easily several hundred dollars in medical bills every month. But pre tax, and pre deduction, boy oh boy, I make twice minimum wage. I should be ROLLING in dough. Also, I'm mad about other things right now so this is kind of just an outlet for me to rage about the stupidity of EVERYTHING right now. What with several of my friends who are SO happy that weed is closer to being legalized- and I think it SHOULD be- but it shouldn't be a major political platform issue, and I'm disgusted with how this recent election played out.

Also, you forget I'm a female. Apparently raging hormones and nagging is all I'm good for.

/or so I keep being told
 
2013-03-13 01:17:35 PM  

Pangea: kiwimoogle84: I'm practically irreplaceable with what I know.

Your entire premise is based upon this statement being untrue. That doesn't give you any sort of cognitive dissonance?


As long as my field exists with the way it runs now, it's true. As soon as everything changes and my job gets dumped as being obsolete, I'll be useless, and so will everything I learned in the last ten years, as well as over ten thousand dollars of schooling gone down the drain.
 
2013-03-13 01:21:46 PM  

Thunderpipes: Funny how all liberals here want more taxes, but vote for politicians who want to tax you less, and everyone else more....


Well $45K doesn't exactly put me in a high tax bracket, but I have no problem paying my fair share, and once I get finished with school and into a higher income level, I will have no issues with paying more. However, if I found the cure for the common cold tomorrow and become super wealthy (which would be a shock because I'm not even looking for it), I wouldn't have a problem paying an even higher share. I mean, really, would it be THAT big of a deal for people to take home only $88M instead of $100M? Why is greed good? Do I not benefit from EVERYONE having better schools, better roads, etc.... Is it not enough that I would be well-off, do I have to make sure everyone else has less?
 
2013-03-13 01:27:40 PM  

seadoo2006: If living on the government dole is so good, it's a real wonder why smartypants like thunderpipes and Joe Blowme haven't gotten the sense to just quit their jobs and live on welfare.  Shiat man, if welfare gets me a Cadillac and some 24" rims along with cash money and EBTs every month to buy lottery tickets and booze, sign me right the fark up!

....

Or, it could just be that these disingenuous farktards don't actually believe a word of the filth that leaves their silly little minds and they are just cogs in the wheel like the rest of us plebeians angry that they are stuck at home with 4 kids, a house that's underwater because they were too dumb to read the market forecast, an ever declining savings account, and a non-existent 401k and they just want someone weaker and easier to punch every now and then.

I'm fine with that, but at least just admit to it you dweebs.


Dude.....awesome!
 
2013-03-13 01:32:09 PM  

Thunderpipes: Funny how all liberals here want more taxes, but vote for politicians who want to tax you less, and everyone else more....


If the Republican agenda is genuine, then voting for a Republican can never be done with the intention of increasing taxes on anyone.

That fact is literally impossible to reconcile with your statement.
 
2013-03-13 01:35:01 PM  

Pangea: Thunderpipes: Funny how all liberals here want more taxes, but vote for politicians who want to tax you less, and everyone else more....

If the Republican agenda is genuine, then voting for a Republican can never be done with the intention of increasing taxes on anyone.

That fact is literally impossible to reconcile with your statement.


Never say never cognitive dissonance and thunderpipes are old friends.
 
2013-03-13 01:36:13 PM  

QueenMamaBee: Is it not enough that I would be well-off, do I have to make sure everyone else has less?


YES! It's all a game, don't you know?! It's not about being well off or comfortable. It's a giant pissing contest. And you can guess where the piss is ending up.
 
2013-03-13 01:38:37 PM  

kiwimoogle84: As long as my field exists with the way it runs now, it's true. As soon as everything changes and my job gets dumped as being obsolete, I'll be useless, and so will everything I learned in the last ten years, as well as over ten thousand dollars of schooling gone down the drain.



You are not in an enviable situation, and I know it sucks. I saw the writing on the wall for the way I made my money for over a decade, so I had to teach myself new skills. I would have liked to go back to school, but I'm still paying off my original degree so I couldn't get loans.  I hear you on the insurance woes too. I'm stuck paying $700 a month for crappy coverage.

I still refuse to believe voting Republican is a better option.
 
2013-03-13 01:52:26 PM  

Pangea: kiwimoogle84: As long as my field exists with the way it runs now, it's true. As soon as everything changes and my job gets dumped as being obsolete, I'll be useless, and so will everything I learned in the last ten years, as well as over ten thousand dollars of schooling gone down the drain.


You are not in an enviable situation, and I know it sucks. I saw the writing on the wall for the way I made my money for over a decade, so I had to teach myself new skills. I would have liked to go back to school, but I'm still paying off my original degree so I couldn't get loans.  I hear you on the insurance woes too. I'm stuck paying $700 a month for crappy coverage.

I still refuse to believe voting Republican is a better option.


I didn't vote republican, if it helps. I didn't like Romney for president either.

I'll figure something out- I always do.
 
2013-03-13 02:01:41 PM  
These threads have actually brought me to know that I am indeed more conservative than the Democratic party as a whole, while I will never be willing to vote for current Republicans who I see as bigots.

"Rebranding" conservative Republican partisanship will not persuade me. I think there are a lot of people like me out there. Come on, alternatives!!
 
2013-03-13 02:06:58 PM  

Pangea: These threads have actually brought me to know that I am indeed more conservative than the Democratic party as a whole, while I will never be willing to vote for current Republicans who I see as bigots.

"Rebranding" conservative Republican partisanship will not persuade me. I think there are a lot of people like me out there. Come on, alternatives!!


You create that successful third party, I'll be the first to sign up.
 
2013-03-13 02:15:32 PM  
Is there a reason some of you retards can't possibly mention the President without making a monkey reference?

I mean, fartbongo makes me giggle, you're stupid, but it is funny. But chimpy mctouchmyself....god how do you wake up in the morning without being pinned to your bed by your own mouth mucous.
 
2013-03-13 02:18:28 PM  

Thunderpipes: Government controlled health care will also make doctor supply dry up, worse than it already is. First thing government does, is reduce payments to doctors. Then the incentive for 8 years of school and hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical school is gone. Why do all that, to make 80k a year when you can just be a school teacher?


You are so stupid it hurts to read your posts.  Going to have to gray them out.
 
2013-03-13 02:25:02 PM  
33% also thought that Obama was Muslim and responsible for fluoridation.
 
2013-03-13 02:33:45 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: A blog? A personal BLOG is your cite? OMG.....you're priceless.


I just picked one of several, sir, like I said, do your own damn research, lazy-ass. Saying that, at least I didnt just sit in a thread and make shiat up like you yourself do. Constantly.
 
2013-03-13 02:46:20 PM  

OlderGuy: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: What?  Jobs numbers up, consumer spending up, stock market up, housing market up.  What are you talking about?

Yeah.. and all based on printing more currency based on zilch... when this bubble pops, it will be heard around the world.. and the libs are just as screwed as the rest of us.....


You...aren't too clear on how 'money' works, are you? The universal concept?

/Hint: It's  always 'worthless'. Barter systems do work, but bartering gold for crops is still barter.  Money is symbolic in value. That's  why it works so well.
//There's an actual term for this, but my brain's farting and the way I'm describing it is still accurate.
 
2013-03-13 02:49:04 PM  
What's wrong with the economy?
 
2013-03-13 02:51:07 PM  

Surool: What's wrong with the economy?


You're late to this party.
 
2013-03-13 03:13:12 PM  

OlderGuy: snocone: OK, show of hands, how many think it makes a difference which stooge you put in the White House.
Really?

It always helps if the Pres actually likes the country.. for those who have removed the blinders, it is obvious that this one does not.. it is also obvious that with the help of his mindless devotees and his purchased slaves, he intends to destroy America, and he,s doing it... we have guns, he owns most of the bullets... yippie kiyay, mutterfuchs.....


Reminds me of a Mark Germino song, "Rosemary's New Constitution" (goes to Grooveshark).
 
2013-03-13 04:10:14 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: What?  Jobs numbers up, consumer spending up, stock market up, housing market up.  What are you talking about?


Yeah I'm confused too. Just about every metric I've read or have observed in person indicates the economy has been getting better for awhile. And I live in one of the worst hit areas.
 
2013-03-13 05:44:45 PM  
No matter what happens, or how bad things are
those who worship their leader will continue to sing his praises.
We've seen that for the last 5 years
 
2013-03-13 06:30:26 PM  
"The Democrats ruined everything! Elect the Republicans!"
4 years later:
"The Republicans ruined everything! Elect the Democrats!"
4 years later:
"The Democrats ruined everything! Elect the Republicans!"
Anarchists:
*facepalm*
 
2013-03-13 06:40:18 PM  
*reads thread*

WOW

if this is the main page, i'll stick to the politics tab.
most of the B.S. spouted in this wreck would have been extinguished instantly in the politics tab.

WOW

face palm
 
2013-03-13 06:45:12 PM  
^^

Thinks the politics tab is an improvement, less bullshiatty as it were. What did you put in his human biscuit again?
 
2013-03-13 06:50:29 PM  

Nacc: ^^

Thinks the politics tab is an improvement, less bullshiatty as it were. What did you put in his human biscuit again?


1.  no quote for no response huh?

2.  have you read this thread?

3. and you lost me with the What did you put in his human biscuit again?  care to explain?
 
2013-03-13 07:55:44 PM  

dmax: cwolf20: It's not like he cares now.  He won second term.  He's pulling a Bush.

Letting terrorists attack the Twin Towers?

Watching the banks destroy the American/World economy?

Entering into two unfounded wars that sent our friends and children and fathers into harm's way unnecessarily?

Embarrassing our country with his clumsy, bullying approach to foreign relations?

Oh. Yeah. Total Bush league behavior. The country is clearly worse off than it was 4 years ago. You've convinced me - and the majority of the country. You know, the majority that voted for him. Now the Obama naysayers are just a loud, frightened minority.


Or... and it could just be me.  Bush didn't give a damn since it was his second term. he didn't have to sell people on electing him.  Ooh, that could be it.

Or else I probably would have gone into a rant like you just did.
 
2013-03-13 08:04:04 PM  

Isitoveryet: Nacc: ^^

Thinks the politics tab is an improvement, less bullshiatty as it were. What did you put in his human biscuit again?

1.  no quote for no response huh?

2.  have you read this thread?

3. and you lost me with the What did you put in his human biscuit again?  care to explain?


I have a feeling I could lose you with a stray fart. Don't hurt yourself.
 
2013-03-13 08:42:53 PM  

kiwimoogle84: Pangea: kiwimoogle84: As long as my field exists with the way it runs now, it's true. As soon as everything changes and my job gets dumped as being obsolete, I'll be useless, and so will everything I learned in the last ten years, as well as over ten thousand dollars of schooling gone down the drain.


You are not in an enviable situation, and I know it sucks. I saw the writing on the wall for the way I made my money for over a decade, so I had to teach myself new skills. I would have liked to go back to school, but I'm still paying off my original degree so I couldn't get loans.  I hear you on the insurance woes too. I'm stuck paying $700 a month for crappy coverage.

I still refuse to believe voting Republican is a better option.

I didn't vote republican, if it helps. I didn't like Romney for president either.

I'll figure something out- I always do.


If you're that indispensable now, don't despair. Even if we develop a public option, private insurance will still be available, just like it is in the UK. You may have to learn a few new tricks, and your industry may lose some people, but someone with your experience will likely still be valuable.
 
2013-03-13 08:54:33 PM  

Madbassist1: Lt. Cheese Weasel: A blog? A personal BLOG is your cite? OMG.....you're priceless.

I just picked one of several, sir, like I said, do your own damn research, lazy-ass. Saying that, at least I didnt just sit in a thread and make shiat up like you yourself do. Constantly.


Lets see more Mr Internet. Or kiss my ass, you incredible piece of fishtank sludge.
 
2013-03-13 09:00:26 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Madbassist1: Lt. Cheese Weasel: A blog? A personal BLOG is your cite? OMG.....you're priceless.

I just picked one of several, sir, like I said, do your own damn research, lazy-ass. Saying that, at least I didnt just sit in a thread and make shiat up like you yourself do. Constantly.

Lets see more Mr Internet. Or kiss my ass, you incredible piece of fishtank sludge.


Visualizing the fiercest fisticuffs this side of the innernetts.
 
2013-03-13 10:43:26 PM  
I just came to this thread to say...

Never Go Full Retard!
t.qkme.me
 
2013-03-13 10:47:05 PM  

natas6.0: No matter what happens, or how bad things are
those who worship their leader will continue to sing his praises.
We've seen that for the last 5 years


He's EXACTLY like Bush - which is why the economy is in the shiatter - which Bush had nothing to do with.
 
2013-03-13 11:39:37 PM  

Raharu: QueenMamaBee: Raharu: Hahahahahaha oh wow, hahahaha hahahaha. HA HA HA kekekeke lol.


*deep breath* hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Still waaaay better approval then congress and the last guy.

To be fair, I'm pretty sure herpes has better approval than congress.


So does Cancer.


www.carlkingdom.com
Vote for me!
 
2013-03-13 11:44:10 PM  

IAmTheTagTeamChampions: Holy shiat, is this what happens when a Politics Tab thread ends up on Main? I thought it was bad over there...


It's like a solid wall of red over here.
 
2013-03-14 10:34:01 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Madbassist1: Lt. Cheese Weasel: A blog? A personal BLOG is your cite? OMG.....you're priceless.

I just picked one of several, sir, like I said, do your own damn research, lazy-ass. Saying that, at least I didnt just sit in a thread and make shiat up like you yourself do. Constantly.

Lets see more Mr Internet. Or kiss my ass, you incredible piece of fishtank sludge.


I especially like "Mr. Internet". Attributing claims I never actually made is a hallmark of a defeated troll.

Ah the sweet sweet smell of victory. Thunderpipes and CheeseWeasel IN ONE THREAD! Who Da Man? (you da man) Who Da Man? (you da man)

/Thas right.
 
drp
2013-03-14 11:22:52 AM  

kiwimoogle84: When there's no insurance to bill or to verify, no financial agreements to be made, no coders, no claims examiners, no claims adjusters, no customer service people for patients to call.... That would be a huge blow to the economy. I'd be reduced to returning to school to learn a completely different trade in order to stay alive. Either that or just go on welfare like the government is actively trying to get me to do.


You miss the point.

The health care industry isn't a jobs program.  It's there to deliver preventive care and care to the sick and injured.  Jobs that are unnecessary SHOULD go away.

I want my taxes and out-of-pocket healthcare dollars to pay for physican salaries, nurse salaries, tech and midlevel provider salaries, social worker salaries, (a few) hospital administrator salaries, equipment, hospital and clinic buildings, consumable supplies, drugs, medical devices, research, medical education.  That sort of thing.

Insurance company employees?  Why?  They add no value to anything.  Universally hated by physicians, nurses, and patients ... and for good reason.  Face it, your entire industry exists solely to siphon useful work and resources away from the actual delivery of health care.

I'm sure you're a nice person, and I don't want to see you unemployed.  I'll still be glad if the day comes that your job is gone and you have to find something useful to do with your time.
 
2013-03-14 03:39:45 PM  

drp: kiwimoogle84: When there's no insurance to bill or to verify, no financial agreements to be made, no coders, no claims examiners, no claims adjusters, no customer service people for patients to call.... That would be a huge blow to the economy. I'd be reduced to returning to school to learn a completely different trade in order to stay alive. Either that or just go on welfare like the government is actively trying to get me to do.

You miss the point.

The health care industry isn't a jobs program.  It's there to deliver preventive care and care to the sick and injured.  Jobs that are unnecessary SHOULD go away.

I want my taxes and out-of-pocket healthcare dollars to pay for physican salaries, nurse salaries, tech and midlevel provider salaries, social worker salaries, (a few) hospital administrator salaries, equipment, hospital and clinic buildings, consumable supplies, drugs, medical devices, research, medical education.  That sort of thing.

Insurance company employees?  Why?  They add no value to anything.  Universally hated by physicians, nurses, and patients ... and for good reason.  Face it, your entire industry exists solely to siphon useful work and resources away from the actual delivery of health care.

I'm sure you're a nice person, and I don't want to see you unemployed.  I'll still be glad if the day comes that your job is gone and you have to find something useful to do with your time.


I don't work for the company anymore- used to. And believe it or not, I got in more trouble when I denied a claim I should have paid than the other way around. Now I work for Sutter Hospital. I'm the person patients go to when their insurance is out of network and they need a letter of agreement with the company so that they don't go broke or bankrupt with their medical care. I'm the person who ENSURES they get treatment. But it's not just the insurance companies either- we're talking the ENTIRETY of the administrative field in hospitals.

By your logic then, the automated pharmacy machines are a good thing too. They're in the works. Prone to less errors than a human, but that now puts the entire pharmacological industry out of business. A good thing, right?

So when this happens, no president going forward can state that job creation is a priority. Because if they share your logic, efficiency is better than ensuring that a mother can feed her children.

I know that a job industry becoming obsolete isn't a good reason to protest an implemented program, and believe me, it's not the only reason I'm against it. The quality of care will suffer greatly, so your logic about your dollars going into your medical care? You can expect the opposite effect. The hospitals will be paid less per patient so the quality will DECREASE, not increase. And further discussion of Canada's wait times for minor surgeries would be kicking a dead horse.
 
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