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2013-03-13 08:17:09 AM
 
2013-03-13 09:24:22 AM
I don't care what you say about chiropractors, I think they are terrific.
 
2013-03-13 09:29:48 AM

hardinparamedic: Don't worry. Soon they'll be able to prescribe medications and have a DEA number. That'll totes make them real doctors, right?


That's one of the most terrifying things I have ever heard.
 
2013-03-13 09:30:17 AM
One of my girlfriends is farking a chiropractor at his office on a semi-regular basis so I'm getting a kick etc.

/She said it started when he gave her a very enjoyable adjustment.
 
2013-03-13 09:32:17 AM
i'm going on 3 years dealing with chronic lower back pain due to a combination of bulging discs and a partially fused lowest vertebra. in the hopes of avoiding surgery i've seen everyone under the sun except for a chiropractor.

Has anyone had luck dealing with significant lower back pain by seeing one of these quacks?
 
2013-03-13 09:37:31 AM

december: i'm going on 3 years dealing with chronic lower back pain due to a combination of bulging discs and a partially fused lowest vertebra. in the hopes of avoiding surgery i've seen everyone under the sun except for a chiropractor.

Has anyone had luck dealing with significant lower back pain by seeing one of these quacks?


I have never had a chiropractor give me anything but temporary, symptomatic relief. That having been said, there have been a few occasions when that symptomatic relief was a blessing, and well worth the money - but I am speaking from back in the day when chiropractors were cheap.
 
2013-03-13 09:43:04 AM
December, I had a pain in the hip. My regular Doc prescribed a steroid pack (bunch of steroid tablets to be taken at various times over a couple of weeks). I was in my 40's at the time and sure didn't want to screw up my  college football and NFL elgibility, so I didn't really want to take them.  My wife is into all the herbal, natural, hocus-pocus medicine. She sent me to a chiropractor. He gave me an adjustment (evidently not like illannoyin's gf from the post above) and told me to move my wallet to my front pocket. Pain has been gone ever since...and that was over 10 years ago. Also, I don't think the NFL is going to call me in my 50's :( ..boy did they miss out
 
2013-03-13 10:00:31 AM

illannoyin: One of my girlfriends is farking a chiropractor at his office on a semi-regular basis so I'm getting a kick etc.

/She said it started when he gave her a very enjoyable adjustment.


That chiropractor would be out of a license if they were a real doc
 
2013-03-13 10:04:38 AM
Md's are all legit, chiros are all quacks.
*yawn.
This still goes over?
 
2013-03-13 10:16:36 AM

december: i'm going on 3 years dealing with chronic lower back pain due to a combination of bulging discs and a partially fused lowest vertebra. in the hopes of avoiding surgery i've seen everyone under the sun except for a chiropractor.

Has anyone had luck dealing with significant lower back pain by seeing one of these quacks?


No, but if you can find one,  a physiatrist might be the ticket.  There are none around here, but I found a very-well trained PT who set me up with several sets of exercises, some to be done in a therapy pool.   I've been dealing with chronic lower back pain since August...1966.  Nothing, including surgery, has worked anywhere near as well as those exercises, and ice.  YMMV.
 
2013-03-13 10:19:11 AM
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I see a chiro every month. It helps somewhat, but I find the 1 hour massage before hand works wonders.
And only a 25$ co-pay for both!
 
2013-03-13 10:35:25 AM

december: i'm going on 3 years dealing with chronic lower back pain due to a combination of bulging discs and a partially fused lowest vertebra. in the hopes of avoiding surgery i've seen everyone under the sun except for a chiropractor.

Has anyone had luck dealing with significant lower back pain by seeing one of these quacks?


YES! I can finally walk more than a mile without horrific pain. Fortunately for me the chiropractor that I go to is also a big fan of physical therapy.
 
2013-03-13 10:42:30 AM
It does seem that the people with the most criticism for alternative healing have no real experience with it.
That said, Federal Way is an overblown strip mall and is best avoided.
 
2013-03-13 10:48:07 AM
You know what they call 'alternative medicine' that has been properly tested and proven? Medicine.
 
2013-03-13 10:59:44 AM
I saw a chiropractor for some VERY severe neck pain (couldn't turn it left or right) that had persisted for a week.

He did some "adjustments" that helped me recover my mobility, and then ran me through massages/equipment that was supposed to help.  Overall, I think a trip in a time of need is a decent enough idea, but the guy tried to sign me up for 5 days a week of appointments.  It became very clear that there was financial, not beneficial, incentives for him so I stopped going.  Then when I got my insurance statement and saw just HOW MUCH they were charging for hooking me up to a vibrating table, etc, I realized exactly how big of a scam the whole thing was.

Whether or not he helped, the charges for that shiat are absurd, and it was an aggressive pushy experience.

Next time I'll just get a professional massage.
 
2013-03-13 11:02:03 AM

doubled99: Md's are all legit, chiros are all quacks.
*yawn.
This still goes over?


With that brush I bet you can paint a wall in one pass.
 
2013-03-13 11:05:31 AM

AbiNormal: december: i'm going on 3 years dealing with chronic lower back pain due to a combination of bulging discs and a partially fused lowest vertebra. in the hopes of avoiding surgery i've seen everyone under the sun except for a chiropractor.

Has anyone had luck dealing with significant lower back pain by seeing one of these quacks?

YES! I can finally walk more than a mile without horrific pain. Fortunately for me the chiropractor that I go to is also a big fan of physical therapy.


I think that last sentence pretty well covers it.
 
2013-03-13 11:06:04 AM

AbbeySomeone: It does seem that the people with the most criticism for alternative healing have no real experience with it.
That said, Federal Way is an overblown strip mall and is best avoided.


Or it could be the fact that overwhelming research shows the only benefit from "alternative healing" is that of the placebo effect, and anecdote based on personal experience, confirmation bias, and a general lack of knowledge of the area it's concerning is not a good excuse for throwing out mountains of overwhelming data and basic scientific knowledge.

It could also have to do with the fact that "alternative healing" practitioners  promote batshiat insanity, too.
 
2013-03-13 11:13:01 AM
"quack pseudo doctors"

And we wonder why Americans pay more for their healthcare than any nation on earth. Specialization apparently never caught on.
 
2013-03-13 11:18:11 AM

AbbeySomeone: It does seem that the people with the most criticism for alternative healing have no real experience with it.
That said, Federal Way is an overblown strip mall and is best avoided.


I just can't bring myself to defend Federal Way.
 
2013-03-13 11:30:31 AM

tira: And we wonder why Americans pay more for their healthcare than any nation on earth. Specialization apparently never caught on.


Chiropractors are not doctors of medicine. They are not a specialty, period.
 
2013-03-13 11:49:55 AM

december: Has anyone had luck dealing with significant lower back pain by seeing one of these quacks?


Meh, it's like getting a massage.  It feels good.

//Yoga is better
 
2013-03-13 12:01:05 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: AbbeySomeone: It does seem that the people with the most criticism for alternative healing have no real experience with it.
That said, Federal Way is an overblown strip mall and is best avoided.

I just can't bring myself to defend Federal Way.


AKA Korean Way
NTTAWWT
 
2013-03-13 12:03:04 PM
Burien without the charm.
 
2013-03-13 12:04:00 PM
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2013-03-13 12:07:15 PM
The remarkable thing is that chiropractors are still allowed to exist.  There were lots of goofy pseudosciences 100+ years ago, but most of them were driven out of existence once real medicine came along.  I'm guessing it's because back pain is something that legitimate medicine still has real trouble dealing with. "Sorry your back hurts, we can't do much about it unless you want us to operate on your spine and possibly leave you paralyzed".
 
2013-03-13 12:08:30 PM

december: i'm going on 3 years dealing with chronic lower back pain due to a combination of bulging discs and a partially fused lowest vertebra. in the hopes of avoiding surgery i've seen everyone under the sun except for a chiropractor.

Has anyone had luck dealing with significant lower back pain by seeing one of these quacks?


I had a pinched sciatic that resulted from a bulged disc. Horrible pain. I went to physical therapy for 4 months and no more pain. That was 5 years ago and still no pain.
 
2013-03-13 12:18:10 PM
I'm in chiropractor school and I'm getting a kick out blah blah blah. We have the same courses as med students. This is more about anatomy and physiology and preparing for boards. Instead of taking classes on pharmacology and surgery we have classes on palpation and adjustments.
But no go ahead and bash on. Keep gobbling up your pills and going for surgery as your first adjustment. I'm sure your quality of life is just awesome!
 
2013-03-13 12:21:25 PM

SeaMonkey311: I'm in chiropractor school and I'm getting a kick out blah blah blah. We have the same courses as med students. This is more about anatomy and physiology and preparing for boards. Instead of taking classes on pharmacology and surgery we have classes on palpation and adjustments.
But no go ahead and bash on. Keep gobbling up your pills and going for surgery as your first adjustment. I'm sure your quality of life is just awesome!


Ah. So you didn't have the GPA and MCAT scores to get into Med School in the Carribian, then?
 
2013-03-13 12:27:33 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Burien without the charm.


I've never heard that but you're spot on.
 
2013-03-13 12:34:22 PM
yawn
 
2013-03-13 01:19:30 PM

hardinparamedic: SeaMonkey311: I'm in chiropractor school and I'm getting a kick out blah blah blah. We have the same courses as med students. This is more about anatomy and physiology and preparing for boards. Instead of taking classes on pharmacology and surgery we have classes on palpation and adjustments.
But no go ahead and bash on. Keep gobbling up your pills and going for surgery as your first adjustment. I'm sure your quality of life is just awesome!

Ah. So you didn't have the GPA and MCAT scores to get into Med School in the Carribian, then?


You realize we are totally different philosophy's right? Why would I go somewhere that I don't agree with? We have plenty of people here who left med school since they didn't agree with what was being taught.
 
2013-03-13 01:22:35 PM

SeaMonkey311: You realize we are totally different philosophy's right? Why would I go somewhere that I don't agree with? We have plenty of people here who left med school since they didn't agree with what was being taught.


Yes, I know. You believe in magical philosophies on the One-True-Cause of disease that were disproved over a century ago, and do things that Massage Therapists, Physical Therapists, and Nurse Practitioners can do cheaper, and with an evidence/scientific base for doing so.

So, really, Hollywood Upstairs Medical School would be an upgrade.
 
2013-03-13 01:24:40 PM

hardinparamedic: SeaMonkey311: I'm in chiropractor school and I'm getting a kick out blah blah blah. We have the same courses as med students. This is more about anatomy and physiology and preparing for boards. Instead of taking classes on pharmacology and surgery we have classes on palpation and adjustments.
But no go ahead and bash on. Keep gobbling up your pills and going for surgery as your first adjustment. I'm sure your quality of life is just awesome!

Ah. So you didn't have the GPA and MCAT scores to get into Med School in the Carribian, then?


I hear the Seychelles Islands are awesome for medical school.
 
2013-03-13 01:26:49 PM

voodoomedic: hardinparamedic: SeaMonkey311: I'm in chiropractor school and I'm getting a kick out blah blah blah. We have the same courses as med students. This is more about anatomy and physiology and preparing for boards. Instead of taking classes on pharmacology and surgery we have classes on palpation and adjustments.
But no go ahead and bash on. Keep gobbling up your pills and going for surgery as your first adjustment. I'm sure your quality of life is just awesome!

Ah. So you didn't have the GPA and MCAT scores to get into Med School in the Carribian, then?

I hear the Seychelles Islands are awesome for medical school.


I knew a guy who had to change med schools mid year because his was destroyed. By a volcano. A volcano, people.
 
2013-03-13 01:28:29 PM

voodoomedic: I hear the Seychelles Islands are awesome for medical school


Yeah, I shouldn't insult the Carribian guys by comparing them to Chiropractors.

Sorry, everyone.
 
2013-03-13 02:46:40 PM

cautionflag: December, I had a pain in the hip. My regular Doc prescribed a steroid pack (bunch of steroid tablets to be taken at various times over a couple of weeks). I was in my 40's at the time and sure didn't want to screw up my  college football and NFL elgibility, so I didn't really want to take them.  My wife is into all the herbal, natural, hocus-pocus medicine. She sent me to a chiropractor. He gave me an adjustment (evidently not like illannoyin's gf from the post above) and told me to move my wallet to my front pocket. Pain has been gone ever since...and that was over 10 years ago. Also, I don't think the NFL is going to call me in my 50's :( ..boy did they miss out


Are you on drugs now?
 
2013-03-13 02:47:13 PM
I have been seeing the same chiropractor since 1989. He is extremely ethical, e.g. he will tell me straight up that if I don't have at least some pain relief within 2 visits, it's likely not treatable with chiropractic. I can go in with severe neck or back pain, spend about 10 minutes or so on his table, and I have full range of motion back and the pain is gone in one day (it takes up to a day for the associated inflammation and pain to dissipate sometimes). He has instructed me in numerous stretching and strengthening exercises, telling me he'd rather hardly see me any more because then he would know I am taking better care of myself. But I am a lazy fark and don't stretch any where near as much as I should. Anyway, I know there are disreputable chiros out there...hell, my chiropractor admits as much to me all the time. But there are plenty of bullshiat medical doctors too. My own regular physician misdiagnosed my left knee pain as a strained MCL when, after wasting money on PT and waiting for 5 months, I was correctly diagnosed with torn meniscus and osteoarthritis in the knee. I suggest if you have severe back, neck, shoulder pain, give it a try. I see a chiropractor who uses the activated method which is more accurate than using one's hands as it isolates the adjustment to a very specific/localized area of the body. I should also mention that despite my overall poor sitting posture and using a computer for office work full-time as a job non-stop since 1981, I have never had any carpal tunnel issues, which is because everything in my arms and wrists and shoulders stays aligned.
 
2013-03-13 03:33:09 PM

hardinparamedic: Or it could be the fact that overwhelming research shows the only benefit from "alternative healing" is that of the placebo effect


Sometimes that's good enough for a lot of people, too... Just give them something that they can believe in, and let the placebo effect do its thing... *shrug*

That said, when they get into wacky shiat like claiming they can cure your cancer by cracking your back, they should be kicked in the crotch...

/And, hey, when did you get a new login, Brony??
//Or, old login, it seems...
 
2013-03-13 03:36:07 PM

RobSeace: /And, hey, when did you get a new login, Brony??
//Or, old login, it seems...


Apparently, people think that I just made BronyMedic to troll. So I got tired of it, and went back to my old one. :) Now I can point out I'm either REALLY dedicated to the cause, or they can get the hell off my lawn. :P
 
2013-03-13 04:39:42 PM

hardinparamedic: RobSeace: /And, hey, when did you get a new login, Brony??
//Or, old login, it seems...

Apparently, people think that I just made BronyMedic to troll. So I got tired of it, and went back to my old one. :) Now I can point out I'm either REALLY dedicated to the cause, or they can get the hell off my lawn. :P


See, you never change your login, especially to identify yourself with a specific group.
 
2013-03-13 05:36:01 PM
Chiropractors have a purpose - to realign bones. If they claim to do more than that, leave and try to find an honest one. The regular medical community often sees surgery as the first step when Chiropractic care and physical therapy would do the trick. The two together can do wonders when the regular doctor says there is nothing wrong with you (ie you don't need surgery). When I need my eyes examined I go to an eye doctor. When I need my bones realigned I go to a chiropractor. When I need to retrain my muscles to work together correctly I go to a physical therapist.
 
2013-03-13 07:02:29 PM
Chiropractors are very useful.  They relieve pressure fairly well, but should NOT be thought of as more than just masseurs.
 
2013-03-13 07:55:01 PM
This thread made me want to crack my neck.

/ Felt good!
// Never been to a chiropractor
/// Federal Way is a ring of hell
 
2013-03-14 08:59:39 PM
I have a chronic pain in my shoulder that is mitigated by my chiropractor. He has never pressured me to come in for more visits than I need, and I am physically incapable of adjusting it the way he does. It's well worth it.
 
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