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(CBS San Francisco)   Apparently. using the exact quotes and text that Islamics use is Islamophobic bigotry. Please make a note of it   (sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com) divider line 25
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2013-03-13 08:25:36 AM  
3 votes:
2013-03-13 08:23:06 AM  
3 votes:
I've had Muslims tell me with a straight face that unless you can speak Arabic, you can't really understand the Koran. Because God only speaks Arabic or something, and it just can't be translated properly unlike all the world's other major holy texts over the millenia. So learn Arabic if you want to discuss the Koran, infidel.

Pretty convenient.
2013-03-13 08:22:54 AM  
3 votes:

GORDON: For years now, it has been racist to use exact quotes against a democrat.


images.politico.com

So let me say on the record, any ad which quotes what I said on Sunday is a falsehood. - Newt Gingrich (D)
2013-03-13 08:20:08 AM  
3 votes:
For years now, it has been racist to use exact quotes against a democrat.
2013-03-13 10:17:47 AM  
2 votes:

Voiceofreason01: step 1: quote radical Islamist group
step 2: pretend quote is from the Koran and is representative of mainstream Muslims
step 3: profit?

Does that about cover it?



More like,

step 1: Use picture and quote of prominent Muslim in ad
step 2: Do nothing else
step 3: Get accused of "islamophobia"
2013-03-13 09:41:04 AM  
2 votes:

Do you know the way to Mordor: "... thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters." Deuteronomy 28:53

"And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brick-kiln." 2 Samuel 12:31

 As he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." 2 Kings 23-24

"...children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." Isaiah 13:16

" The fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers."  Ezekiel 5:10

///Which is more violent, the Bible or the Koran?


I'm prety sure Game or Thrones is more violent than either.  But how does this relate to a discussion of the Koran or Islam?

Or was that just a meaningless misdirection?  I'm guessing misdirection.
2013-03-13 08:48:41 AM  
2 votes:

Zeno-25: I've had Muslims tell me with a straight face that unless you can speak Arabic, you can't really understand the Koran. Because God only speaks Arabic or something, and it just can't be translated properly unlike all the world's other major holy texts over the millenia. So learn Arabic if you want to discuss the Koran, infidel.

Pretty convenient.


It's a half-truth from some half-assed muslims.
To properly interpret the Koran you should read it as Muhammed wrote it. Unfortunately the idioms and semantic/pragmatic wordplays are as lost on modern arab readers as they would be on english readers so the whole point sort of just...dies. Also what institutes a "proper interpretation" is sort of fuzzy. And also, this in no way means that you can't argue against a muslim touting his views in a debate. You can properly interpret his words as he says them. ;)
2013-03-13 08:39:05 AM  
2 votes:

Do you know the way to Mordor: Which is more violent, the Bible or the Koran?


It doesn't matter, we're talking about the Koran now. Just because the bible is violent doesn't mean we can't point out violence in other religions. We should be pointing it out in all religions, and all their flaws and inaccuracies as well. They are all farked up and cause more problems than they 'solve'.
2013-03-13 08:37:03 AM  
2 votes:

Do you know the way to Mordor: "... thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters." Deuteronomy 28:53

"And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brick-kiln." 2 Samuel 12:31

 As he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." 2 Kings 23-24

"...children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." Isaiah 13:16

" The fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers."  Ezekiel 5:10

///Which is more violent, the Bible or the Koran?


Why does it have to be a competition?  They're both bloodthirsty.  It's almost like they were written during a less civilized time or something...
2013-03-14 05:53:41 AM  
1 votes:

ciberido: Precision Boobery: *sigh*
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Perhaps one day these religious people can put down their fear and ignorance and join us in the 21st century.  Sadly, that day will probably be in the 41st century.

And perhaps one day you'll grow up and stop being an insufferable douchbag to people who don't think exactly like you.  But I'm not holding my breath.


Some people think the Bible is the holy word of God, other the Koran, others the talmud. Some people hold high religious texts like the Buddhavacana, the Vedas, The Satanic Bible, Dianetics, The Guru Granth Sahib, Tao Te Ching, The book of shadows, the Avesta collections, the Kojiki or similar.
Others again, are sane.
2013-03-13 02:03:24 PM  
1 votes:

Wayne 985: Tricky Chicken: Hypocrisy was his point, and that was pretty obvious. You can't be a Christian or a religious Jew and accuse Muslims of having a violent book while pretending that yours isn't vile as well.


But what the hell does it matter.  If my house is on fire and you tell me so, I should try to put it out not point out that I see smoke coming from yours.  If you agree that the Koran is misguided and violent, then reject it. If you also think that the Bible is misguided and violent then reject it too.  If you .....Torah.... and so on.

If they are just pointing out what is wrong with the Koran, then address it.  If they are saying the Koran is misguided and violent so you should follow the Bible, then you should point out how they are equally violent.
2013-03-13 10:56:56 AM  
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: give me doughnuts:
step 1: Use picture and quote of prominent Muslim in ad
step 2: Do nothing else
step 3: Get accused of "islamophobia"

first: The photo of one of the ads in the article shows Osama Bin Laden. Calling Bin Laden a "prominant Muslim" is like calling Ralph Rene a "prominant scientist". Also the American Freedom Defense Initiative is explicitly anti-Muslim.


He was Muslim, and he was prominent. So what if you didn't like him.
Is there anything in the ad that say "All Muslims are evil/bad/da debil!"?

It's in response to CAIR's "My Jihad" ads that call going to the gym, or getting the kids to school on time "jihad" activities. All these ads do is point out that to some Muslims "jihad activities" involve guns, bombs, and planes flying into buildings.
2013-03-13 10:56:43 AM  
1 votes:

sauce_jenkins: So if I plastered public buses with all of the hate speech some white idiots tweeted after Obama won reelection, then that is just representing the general white populace, just like these ads represent all Muslims, right subs?


I don't think this is about Muslims in general.  Rather, it's about the threat of Jihad.

Slaxl: Do you know the way to Mordor: Which is more violent, the Bible or the Koran?

It doesn't matter, we're talking about the Koran now. Just because the bible is violent doesn't mean we can't point out violence in other religions. We should be pointing it out in all religions, and all their flaws and inaccuracies as well. They are all farked up and cause more problems than they 'solve'.


Agreed.  There's plenty of blame to go around.  Christianity used to be as evil as the Islamists are now.

Also, this is using the words of current Jihadists, not merely ancient words.

give me doughnuts: More like,

step 1: Use picture and quote of prominent Muslim in ad
step 2: Do nothing else
step 3: Get accused of "islamophobia"


Yeah, this is the telling part of it.  While I normally consider her something of a nutcase she hit a home run here.
2013-03-13 10:10:36 AM  
1 votes:
step 1: quote radical Islamist group
step 2: pretend quote is from the Koran and is representative of mainstream Muslims
step 3: profit?

Does that about cover it?
2013-03-13 09:56:22 AM  
1 votes:

wickedragon: Zeno-25: I've had Muslims tell me with a straight face that unless you can speak Arabic, you can't really understand the Koran. Because God only speaks Arabic or something, and it just can't be translated properly unlike all the world's other major holy texts over the millenia. So learn Arabic if you want to discuss the Koran, infidel.

Pretty convenient.

It's a half-truth from some half-assed muslims.
To properly interpret the Koran you should read it as Muhammed wrote it. Unfortunately the idioms and semantic/pragmatic wordplays are as lost on modern arab readers as they would be on english readers so the whole point sort of just...dies. Also what institutes a "proper interpretation" is sort of fuzzy. And also, this in no way means that you can't argue against a muslim touting his views in a debate. You can properly interpret his words as he says them. ;)



Mohammad didn't write the Koran. He was illiterate. He related his (often conveniently times) "revelations" to others who eventually wrote them down and collected them into the Koran after Big Mo's death in 632.
2013-03-13 09:26:43 AM  
1 votes:

blackflag415: what the hell is an "Islamic?"


Give subby a break - he was probably itching to say A-rab.
2013-03-13 09:24:12 AM  
1 votes:

Mister Pleco: This propaganda seems familiar, Pamela... oh, right - it's this:

"In the Talmud it is written: 'Only the Jew is human. Gentile peoples are not called humans, but animals.' Since we Jews see Gentiles as animals, we call them only Goy."


Humans are animals.  They got it confused right from the start.

No wonder religious people are always all jammed up.
2013-03-13 09:06:34 AM  
1 votes:

Nutsac_Jim: Do you think perhaps you are taking a bunch of bible quotes totally out of context?


Do you think perhaps that was the point?
2013-03-13 09:01:27 AM  
1 votes:

Do you know the way to Mordor: "... thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters." Deuteronomy 28:53
 ...
///Which is more violent, the Bible or the Koran?


Do you think perhaps you are taking a bunch of bible quotes totally out of context?

I'm quite certain that it isn't telling everyone on one hand, not to kill your children because you are low on cash, and on the other hand, telling you to eat them.
2013-03-13 08:49:57 AM  
1 votes:

sauce_jenkins: So if I plastered public buses with all of the hate speech some white idiots tweeted after Obama won reelection, then that is just representing the general white populace, just like these ads represent all Muslims, right subs?


Its a little different because if you ask a general member of society about the obama quotes, the typical response is, 'that's some inbred redneck'.   If you question arabs partying in the street on 911, the response is, they are, of course, justified, stop doing what they dont like.
2013-03-13 08:39:54 AM  
1 votes:
I see I'm too late.  All the Defenders of the Faithful are here.
2013-03-13 08:36:02 AM  
1 votes:

Do you know the way to Mordor: "... thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters." Deuteronomy 28:53

"And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brick-kiln." 2 Samuel 12:31

 As he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." 2 Kings 23-24

"...children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." Isaiah 13:16

" The fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers."  Ezekiel 5:10

///Which is more violent, the Bible or the Koran?


Definitely the Jewish old testament, or Torah, you anti-semite.
2013-03-13 08:34:24 AM  
1 votes:
apparently this works on Jews as well

http://blackrod.blogspot.ca/2013/03/oy-vey-will-sandy-shindlemans-la ws uit.html

Then, a couple of weeks ago, Warren, whose website declares he is "gathering and sharing evidence that will bring Sam Katz and his band of thieves to justice before organized crime takes hold in Winnipeg", raised the ante. He circulated a blog titled 'The Katz Doctrine' which consisted of ten points along the lines of:

1) God is never angry about the Jews, just about the Non-Jews. 
6) Jews may steal from Non-Jews. 
7) Jews always have to try to deceive Non-Jews. 
8) Jews may lie to Non-Jews. Jews may use lies (subterfuges) to circumvent a Gentile. 
9) Every Jew is allowed to use lies and perjury to bring a Non-Jew to ruin.


Ouch. The reaction was immediate. Even people who supported his provocative poster because they were fed up with cronyism at city hall distanced themselves from what appeared to be outright anti-semitism. We certainly did.
2013-03-13 08:31:36 AM  
1 votes:
"... thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters." Deuteronomy 28:53

"And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brick-kiln." 2 Samuel 12:31

 As he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." 2 Kings 23-24

"...children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." Isaiah 13:16

" The fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers."  Ezekiel 5:10

///Which is more violent, the Bible or the Koran?
2013-03-13 08:29:41 AM  
1 votes:
what the hell is an "Islamic?"
 
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