Marine1: That's kind of how I see it. I could be in the dark on this, but the Sikhs I've met and heard of don't sound like the types to go off the deep end.
steve-0: This has "religious fanatic" all over it, and not in the good way.
Joe Blowme: jso2897: Joe Blowme: It would oppress everyone who lives under the protection of the US constitution, regardless of religion or lack there ofI don't know if I agree with you about that, but I do think we can agree that "technical" gun bans are not the way to go. I am FAR more concerned about who gets their hands on guns, and how, than I am about what kind of guns they get their hands on.I know people I would trust with a tommy-gun in a nursery school - and people I wouldn't trust with a .22 Derringer in a biker bar.I would thin that if the goal is to reduce death there are bigger holes in teh damn to fix first, this leads me to believe it is not really about the children or saving lives because we continue to ignore the larger killers of innocent people in favor of doing feel good measures that only affect law abiding citizens and further infringe on the 2nd. If we dont need more than a 10 round clip why to wwe need a vehicle that can go over the speed limit when speed kills way more that guns? Or drunk driving, why does everyone not have a breath start in their car? WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!!??!
quietwalker: Not a Sikh, but I have had extended conversations with a few of them about the need to carry their kirpan - their ceremonial knife.The general consensus is that they are symbolic only - many kirpans are actually glued into their scabbard, or welded, or are so small as to be completely useless in combat. Instead, they're meant to be a physical reminder of the commandment that you must actively prevent violence being done to others, and you may need to use violence to ensure that happens. It's not as backwards as it sounds, basically it only authorizes violence in the cases where you're protecting others (or yourselves) and another party has already become violent.There's also deeper stuff having to do with mental fortitude to defend against injustice and strike down lies, and other non-physical aspects, sort of like a mentally-armed political activist. By itself though, doesn't represent a real weapon, only a willingness to implement those ideals. It's interesting because even in the US, they're allowed to - for example - fly with their kirpans, though there are ~some~ restrictions, and douchebag TSA agents still reserve the right to confiscate them.There's apparently nothing in the religion that indicates they need to be actually literally armed with weapons capable of death of others at all times.
SpectroBoy: Marine1: That's kind of how I see it. I could be in the dark on this, but the Sikhs I've met and heard of don't sound like the types to go off the deep end.All Sikhs I have ever met have been the nicest, kindest people you could ever meet. To me they appear to be one of the few religions that try to live up to the marketing material.And the guy in the article is just an asshat who happens to claim to be a sikh.
Joe Blowme: It would oppress everyone who lives under the protection of the US constitution, regardless of religion or lack there of
steve-0: Old_Chief_Scott:A basic tenet of the Sikh belief structure is the defense of the defenseless so maybe this one isn't so bad as the one that sets off car bombs.What I meant was I thought carrying around a Kirpan was the whole point of that, not carrying around an assault rifle.
steve-0: Didn't this already get resolved by allowing students and adult Sikhs to wear kirpans anywhere they want? I thought the kirpan was "the sword of God"? Also, did this guy get named a Khalsa, or is he using Khalsa as his last name?This has "religious fanatic" all over it, and not in the good way.
give me doughnuts: A kirpan is a dagger, not a semi-automatic rifle.Didin't anybody tell this guy?
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