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(CNN)   Desperate Marines are running low on ammo. Remember: short, controlled bursts   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 105
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2013-03-13 08:59:38 AM

ranev700: What the hell are we supposed to use man? Harsh language?


Only if we're fighting Canada, France, or Poland.
 
2013-03-13 09:10:24 AM

mr_a: You just gotta be a fan of a country that has conspiracy nuts worrying, at the same time,  that the government is buying all the ammo, and that they are not buying enough.


I believe the article that landed on Fark stated DHS was buying up all the ammo.  Not going to comment on the accuracy of that, but DHS ! = DoD branches.
 
2013-03-13 09:10:31 AM

lilbordr: CeroX: Maybe they can borrow some from the DHS who just purchased almost 2 billion rounds of ammo...

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But that would solve the military's problem, rather than creating an artificial "crisis" caused by the sequester that Obama can capitalize on.

Notice how all these "ZOMG, sequester is makiing you lose out on XXXX" stories don't hold up to even light scrutiny and are all from departments of the government that answer directly to the President?  Come on, you really believe the Marines are suddenly faced with a bullet shortage after one week of this nonsense??  DoD has billions of rounds of ammo in supply reserves.  This is another direct order from the White House to get another media frenzy going over sequestre.  Commandant of the Marines has not choice but to parrot this drivel aftr b eing ordered to by his CiC.  Same as the aircraft carrier stuck in port, etc.  Manufactured outrage.
 
2013-03-13 09:12:09 AM
 
2013-03-13 09:13:32 AM

spickus: I really need to keep up with current events.


yeah, my bad... haven't had coffee yet... Iraq and Afghanistan...

it's early, and the two go together like chocolate and peanut butter...
 
2013-03-13 09:19:06 AM
Only Obama would place marines on active duty in hostile territory without ammunition.
 
2013-03-13 09:22:03 AM

Office Ninja: Notice how all these "ZOMG, sequester is makiing you lose out on XXXX" stories don't hold up to even light scrutiny and are all from departments of the government that answer directly to the President?


Two friends I know, one in education and the other in the local SSI office, have been given furlough days because of the sequester. The local library will stop being open on Monday.

It's not like every government department just sits on 10-20% surplus. Even before the sequester, a lot of them felt like they were making due with the bare minimum because of the economy.
 
2013-03-13 09:22:50 AM

born_yesterday: Only Obama would place marines on active duty in hostile territory without ammunition.


Good to know we still have a large stockpile of weapons-grade stupidity.
 
2013-03-13 09:23:52 AM

midigod: Bung_Howdy: Hudsonism's

so how do I get out of this chickenshiat outfit anyway?

Well that's great, that's just farkin' great, man. Now what the fark are we supposed to do? We're in some real pretty shiat now man...

That's it man, game over man, game over! What the fark are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?

Why don't we put her in charge?


You guys need to stop or I'll be stuck trying to recite the entire movie at work today.
That movie is like quotation heaven.

/If this were Fahrenheit 451 and Aliens was a book, I'd be  one of the chosen people at the end to pass it on to further generations.
 
2013-03-13 09:25:04 AM

ALC59: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds- o f-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/


I never thought that Forbes would publish WND-levels of conspiracy insanity, but there you have it. The proof is there.
 
2013-03-13 09:26:45 AM

Fubini: ALC59: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds- o f-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/

I never thought that Forbes would publish WND-levels of conspiracy insanity, but there you have it. The proof is there.


Forbes has been a right-winged rag for some time now, IIRC.
 
2013-03-13 09:29:28 AM

ranev700: What the hell are we supposed to use man? Harsh language?


*shakes tiny fist*

You know, I don't know which race is worse.  You don't see them farking each other over for a goddamn percentage.
 
2013-03-13 09:32:14 AM

hardinparamedic: You're going to have to start by stopping the practice of paying a Civilian Contractor 120,000 a year to repair an M1 Abraham Tank, while paying an E2 who's MOS is Tank Mechanic 25,000 a year to do the same job.


It's probably more likely the civilian contractor is getting paid 20,000, works part time so he gets no benefits( so there are no long term costs)  and his company gets the other 100,000 for being the assholes that underpay and under insure their employees.

At least that's how any sort of privatization scheme has worked in my state.
 
2013-03-13 09:40:52 AM

PreMortem: Uh, no subtard. They aren't running low nor are they desperate.


I don't think he read the article.
 
2013-03-13 09:42:12 AM

CeroX: hardinparamedic: CeroX: Maybe they can borrow some from the DHS who just purchased almost 2 billion rounds of ammo...

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Yeah. We can just steal from them. Not like the Coast Guard ever does anything anyway. farkin' Pussies, man. The Core is the real American Hero (GI JOE!!!!!)

lolwut?

First... 2 billion rounds of ammo is enough ammo to conduct a 20 year war based on the calculations of how many round of ammo were used between both iraq and iran... so what does the DHS need with 2B rounds of ammo that they can't spare some for other departments?

Second... the point is... the DHS purchased 2B rounds of ammo and the marines are running low... wtf...


ALC59: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds- o f-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/


 

lilbordr: CeroX: Maybe they can borrow some from the DHS who just purchased almost 2 billion rounds of ammo...

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Somebody doesn't know what a IDIQ contract is....hehehe  what's it like being the common clay of the New Est?
 
2013-03-13 09:45:42 AM

hardinparamedic: Norfolking Chance: How about stopping the pork that congresscritters use to reward campaign contributors and dump equipment on the US military that it doesn't want.


Oh wait that would stop the generals and admirals getting those cushy jobs when they retire.

The US military budget is just a blank cheque used to line peoples pockets.

You're going to have to start by stopping the practice of paying a Civilian Contractor 120,000 a year to repair an M1 Abraham Tank, while paying an E2 who's MOS is Tank Mechanic 25,000 a year to do the same job.


Paying a contractor for 2 years to do it right: 2x120: 240k

Paying some shiathead to do wrong for ten years: 10x25:250k

You have to pay for technical knowledge and expertise.
 
2013-03-13 10:08:01 AM

ladyfortuna: Here's an idea, everyone who ponied up 1.5x or more the normal price for ammo in the last three months: send a box to the Marines (assuming proper type of course). Congrats, you helped the economy AND supported the troops.

HotWingConspiracy: Patriots at home could donate some of their hoard, but they're saving them to kill Marines.

Actually, my friend's son 17yr old son just signed up to ship out with the Marines this summer.  I dropped off one of my rifles (ar15 in m16a1 config, rock river and colt parts, current value ~$1,200+) and (at current prices) over $100 worth of ammo to practice with before he goes, in the likely event that his boot-camp training is wildly insufficient and he needs to rely on his shooting skills to stay alive some day.  I hope to get the gun back in good order, but I know that learning is sometimes a destructive process.  And when I'm out shooting, I'm happy to let any mil member or reservist use my gear.  Get over yourself.  Did I mention I'm a grad student who can't afford to lose money?  Get over yourself hotwingconspiracy.

Bravo Two:I'm in. I'm currently supplying the Marines with some target stands. I'll include some ammo.
Nice.
 
2013-03-13 10:16:35 AM
We could always, I dunno, bring the boys back home... or something...

Wouldnt that be cheaper?
 
2013-03-13 10:17:30 AM
"This is no time to do business as usual," Amos said in the video. "Things have changed. The landscape's changed. We need you to be conservative in the way you do business, I need you to think about conserving our assets, and I need you to become part of the solution as it relates to sacrifice."


Outrage!!!! Outrage!!!
 
2013-03-13 10:31:31 AM
In future news.  Enemies take page from Saddam during Desert Storm when he watched cable tv for the news about what the U.S. forces were doing, and read that article. Then order their commanders to send so many troops that the marines will run out.

The aristocrats
 
2013-03-13 10:35:59 AM

JohnnyBravo: Paying a contractor for 2 years to do it right: 2x120: 240k

Paying some shiathead to do wrong for ten years: 10x25:250k

You have to pay for technical knowledge and expertise.


Ladies and gentlemen, the venture capitalist. An American Soldier is a shiathead not worthy of an education and trade.

What's 10 x 120K again?
 
2013-03-13 10:48:09 AM

cwolf20: Then order their commanders to send so many troops that the marines will run out.


dl.dropbox.com
 
2013-03-13 10:59:13 AM

ranev700: What the hell are we supposed to use man? Harsh language?


I like to keep this handy... for close encounters.
 
2013-03-13 11:02:02 AM
FTA:

"take every single aspect or opportunity in training to get the most bang for the buck,"

"This is no time to do business as usual," Amos said in the video. "Things have changed. The landscape's changed. We need you to be conservative in the way you do business, I need you to think about conserving our assets, and I need you to become part of the solution as it relates to sacrifice."

The primary goal of the Marines going forward will be to preserve the corps' readiness, Amos said, including initiatives to "recapitalize" and "modernize" the institution. But for now, Amos indicated Marine leaders will be focused on "moving money around" and looking at more ways to reduce spending.


I don't see a problem with any of these statements, and nothing that indicates we'll be sending troops into battle without proper support/provisions (other than perhaps the part about delayed maintenance to certain equipment, but that could simply mean the equivalent of oil changes every 4,000 miles instead of every 3,000 for all I can tell).

90% of the stories I've seen about the effects of the sequestration cuts seem to be mostly political propaganda intended to depict the brunt of the cuts as being aimed directly at the working class to produce a disproportionately negative reaction, and thus force the White House / Congress to let the rest of the government get back to business as usual.

TL/DR version: Rather than accept that we can easily reduce spending by simply paying better attention to fiscal efficiency, the majority of public sector management would rather use the little people as political pawns in order to keep feeding their bloated departments.
 
2013-03-13 11:59:30 AM

mr_a: You just gotta be a fan of a country that has conspiracy nuts worrying, at the same time,  that the government is buying all the ammo, and that they are not buying enough.


not the case at all, they are buying hollow point rounds for use in the USA again mercian criminals(?)

if they can't afford bullets what are they doing over there aside from lowering  the worlds view of the old USA and killing civilians
 
2013-03-13 12:08:08 PM

ThatGuyOverThere: Actually, my friend's son 17yr old son just signed up to ship out with the Marines this summer. I dropped off one of my rifles (ar15 in m16a1 config, rock river and colt parts, current value ~$1,200+) and (at current prices) over $100 worth of ammo to practice with before he goes, in the likely event that his boot-camp training is wildly insufficient and he needs to rely on his shooting skills to stay alive some day. I hope to get the gun back in good order, but I know that learning is sometimes a destructive process. And when I'm out shooting, I'm happy to let any mil member or reservist use my gear. Get over yourself. Did I mention I'm a grad student who can't afford to lose money? Get over yourself hotwingconspiracy.


You're a farking saint and a grad student, poor but generous. Never get over yourself, superstar. You're a hero.
 
2013-03-13 12:14:32 PM

JDJoeE: mr_a: You just gotta be a fan of a country that has conspiracy nuts worrying, at the same time,  that the government is buying all the ammo, and that they are not buying enough.

I believe the article that landed on Fark stated DHS was buying up all the ammo.  Not going to comment on the accuracy of that, but DHS ! = DoD branches.


To be fair, most of the conspiracy nuts think that all the three letter agencies are one and the same and are being micromanaged by a Reagan-hating Communist Nazi Muslim dictator.
 
2013-03-13 12:15:53 PM

ThatGuyOverThere: ladyfortuna: Here's an idea, everyone who ponied up 1.5x or more the normal price for ammo in the last three months: send a box to the Marines (assuming proper type of course). Congrats, you helped the economy AND supported the troops.
HotWingConspiracy: Patriots at home could donate some of their hoard, but they're saving them to kill Marines.
Actually, my friend's son 17yr old son just signed up to ship out with the Marines this summer.  I dropped off one of my rifles (ar15 in m16a1 config, rock river and colt parts, current value ~$1,200+) and (at current prices) over $100 worth of ammo to practice with before he goes, in the likely event that his boot-camp training is wildly insufficient and he needs to rely on his shooting skills to stay alive some day.  I hope to get the gun back in good order, but I know that learning is sometimes a destructive process.  And when I'm out shooting, I'm happy to let any mil member or reservist use my gear.  Get over yourself.  Did I mention I'm a grad student who can't afford to lose money?  Get over yourself hotwingconspiracy.

Bravo Two:I'm in. I'm currently supplying the Marines with some target stands. I'll include some ammo.
Nice.


Get off the cross, dude.

ahmadalhassan.files.wordpress.com

People need that wood to keep warm.

/picture is a staged movie screen caption from the Hit Motion Picture, the Passion, by Mel Gibson. Strangely enough, less than 10% of that ended up going to any religious group.
 
2013-03-13 12:16:22 PM
The article is not about an ammunition shortage.  Did nobody actually read it?  It's simple arithmetic and basic budgeting.  They've had ginormous and forgiving budgets for decades, and now they need to reduce training costs and operating expenses.  Bullets and gasoline are mentioned to keep it simple, for the dim witted.  (Did you know that the USMC has the lowest minimum ASVAB score requirement?  Would you like to know more?)
 
2013-03-13 12:20:03 PM

axeeugene: Stay frosty...and alert.


Those mean the same thing.
 
2013-03-13 12:21:25 PM
What - they don't have any sharp sticks handy?

i178.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-13 12:22:29 PM
Am I the first to say that perhaps this is good farking advice?  This suggestion could easily save someone who is temporarily unable to access supplies.

It is not advisable to waste your resources just because you've "got plenty."
 
2013-03-13 12:27:30 PM

ranev700: What the hell are we supposed to use man? Harsh language?


Flame units only. I want rifles slung.
 
2013-03-13 12:38:47 PM
"Save Every Round" is a figure of speech. If he had said, hey your getting X ammount of ammo so you better make them count....then I would be worried.
 
2013-03-13 12:51:47 PM
Ammunition Discipline, men!

Eric Holdrer needs all those rounds at home.
 
2013-03-13 12:52:47 PM

MylesHeartVodak: (Did you know that the USMC has the lowest minimum ASVAB score requirement?  Would you like to know more?)

Citation needed.  Current military.com stats show army and usmc tie for the low score of 31, but army will give you your GED (if you don't have one) in order to get you up to the minimum reqs.
 
2013-03-13 12:53:12 PM
Dear Marines,
   If you want to do something useful with those bullets put them in the heads of Defense Contrator CEO's.
-Signed Everyone who died in their wars based on lies.
 
2013-03-13 01:05:48 PM
Please, lets all get teary eyed for the noble soliders that can't live out their 8-year old fantasies of being a backyard sharpshooter

is it ABOUT TIME they figured this out? Who wrote them a blank check?

/knows the answer.
//doesn't like it.
 
2013-03-13 01:25:07 PM
And while congress sucks down another mocha-late, and votes themselves a pay raise.
 
2013-03-13 01:28:34 PM
Dad?

/Dad was in the Marines, and their ammo dump was hit. After that they all carried tons of mags.
 
2013-03-13 01:40:19 PM

CeroX: Maybe they can borrow some from the DHS who just purchased almost 2 billion rounds of ammo...


Five billion. And sixty thousand tanks.
 
2013-03-13 02:10:41 PM
Well if they're that concerned then they should have contracted with Arasaka instead of Militech.
 
2013-03-13 02:14:19 PM
This makes a lot of sense, particularly for deployed troops, when you look at how much it costs to move supplies to them. I think it was something like $90 per gallon of gas to get it to a forward base in Afghanistan (this was from back when the Army was looking at insulating semi-permanent tents), covering transportation and protection plus the cost of the gas. I'm sure there is plenty of ammunition and fuel available to meet needs, but the point is that there are substantial costs associated with the logistics and a significant portion of the sequestration cuts could be avoided by giving some thought to conservation in non-critical situations. Save a gallon of gas or two per month per Marine, and it's the equivalent cost savings of a 5% pay cut.
 
2013-03-13 02:51:05 PM
FNC is going to have a field day with this.

"Obama left the soldiers starving in ditches with no ammo or fuel."
 
2013-03-13 03:27:42 PM

db2: IDKFA

There, that should hold you for another couple of months.


Wow. It looks like chuckles the cheat is trying to solve real-world problems with his skills.

/you win one internet copy of the ultimate DOOM collection.
 
2013-03-13 03:31:06 PM

manimal2878: hardinparamedic: You're going to have to start by stopping the practice of paying a Civilian Contractor 120,000 a year to repair an M1 Abraham Tank, while paying an E2 who's MOS is Tank Mechanic 25,000 a year to do the same job.

It's probably more likely the civilian contractor is getting paid 20,000, works part time so he gets no benefits( so there are no long term costs)  and his company gets the other 100,000 for being the assholes that underpay and under insure their employees.

At least that's how any sort of privatization scheme has worked in my state.


Sounds like my experience with the Dell AKO/DKO helldesk.
 
2013-03-13 03:54:38 PM
They could just grab some shovels and start digging up 29 Palms, there's tons of live ammo buried at the training areas. Our company gunny used to have us dig some real deep holes to throw it in so they wouldn't have to return it.
 
2013-03-13 06:02:27 PM
This is why we had M1896 cutlasses in the armory.

/always had my gerber and machete handy
//The e-tool was my back-up
///had a spade, pick and ax on the GP
 
2013-03-13 08:16:17 PM

toomuchwhargarbl: Game over man! Game over!


Maybe we could build a fire, sing some songs?
 
2013-03-13 08:26:03 PM

cwolf20: In future news.  Enemies take page from Saddam during Desert Storm when he watched cable tv for the news about what the U.S. forces were doing, and read that article. Then order their commanders to send so many troops that the marines will run out.



So, basically, a zerg rush?
 
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