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(KNBC 4 Los Angeles)   The two women whose truck was shot up by the LAPD because they were mistaken for a black guy will not be getting a new truck because: a) the LAPD wanted them to pay income tax, b) the LAPD wanted them to pose for a photo op, c) all of the above   (nbclosangeles.com) divider line 46
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2013-03-13 12:26:52 AM
17 votes:
Dear LAPD,

You shot two women, one 71 years old, who did not look anything like the suspect and who were not driving a vehicle like the suspect. Please immediately pay their medical bills and buy them a new truck. Do not deduct anything and structure the deal so they don't have to pay taxes. Do not pass Go. Also, some of you need to surrender your man cards for shooting 100 rounds and not killing the target...although, thank FSM for your incompetence.

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen
2013-03-13 12:13:42 AM
13 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.

That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed
.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.
2013-03-13 12:28:07 AM
9 votes:
I tend to see the side of law enforcement in most cases. In this one, I pretty much have nothing but a hearty "FU" for LAPD.  They got trigger happy, blew the crap out of an innocent bystander's vehicle, damn near killed them and then just ask a dealer to handle it for them?  fark that.  Ask them exactly what they want, go put the effort in finding it and write a check on the spot.

Handing it over to a dealer to "figure it out" was a dick move.  You shot them up, you pay for it.  That's the rules us citizens have when we fark up - why doesn't the same thing apply to the police?

As far as the tax issue goes, I am pretty sure the government could figure it out, but the fact is the just don't want to - which is the trouble with it anyway - it lives now to feed its own bureaucracy, not serve the citizens.
2013-03-13 12:30:26 AM
7 votes:
They should sue.  The settlement will be better than this offer.
2013-03-13 02:42:27 AM
6 votes:
"Eight officers were involved in the shooting. They were assigned to non-field assignments "until the (police) chief decides otherwise."

There is absolutely no excuse for this. All eight of them belong in jail.
2013-03-13 02:34:50 AM
6 votes:
I can't believe whoever handles PR for the LAPD wouldn't have jumped in and fixed this crap before it became a story.  ANYTHING about these two women makes the LAPD look like the sociopathic assholes they are, and they can't expose that fact to the public if at all possible.
2013-03-13 03:35:02 AM
5 votes:

BSABSVR: OK. Now given that that is legally impossible


It's not impossible at all. We have lawmakers who can pass new laws. Get them on it. Also, what is legally possible is pointless if the legal system sucks, and do it ever suck; yessiree.

But if you really want my practical ideas:

1. Fire the cops who shot at this truck. A police officer's job is to defend the public from crime up to the expense of their own life. If you won't hold you fire long enough to even see who or what you're shooting at, you don't deserve to be a cop. End of story, end of careers.

2. Give the women a truck and pay for it out of pocket. No taxpayer money, all cop money. Every officer in the force should be willing to chip in the make these women whole mentally, physically, and financially to show them and us they're not like the farkers who opened fire. Anyone who isn't, also off the force. Good bye.

3. Publicly gut the LAPD and let's see what spills out. . Obviously, something is very, very wrong is going on over there if they shoot two Mexican women in looking for a giant black man. I want every closet turned out and all the skeletons brought to light publicly. Shame, humiliation, and accountability will be byproducts; but mostly the LAPD is broken and it needs fixin' or LA's gonna be the next Detroit and it's painfully obvious we can't trust the LAPD to police themselves or their city properly.


Make it rain pink slips like Pac Man Jones at a strip club in Monopoly land.
2013-03-13 02:28:15 AM
4 votes:
The cops who shot these women should have ALL their assets seized. ALL of them, especially pension.

The women should get the option of taking possession of those assets.

ta-da
2013-03-13 12:51:08 AM
4 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: DownDaRiver: I have read several other versions of this story. Seems like the LAPD had nothing to do with the actual deal on the new truck. They don't seem to be at blame for that.
The 1099 is an IRS deal, can they get around that? Even if someone else did pick up that tab, anyway you accept it, it still counts as a gift. That's a fed deal, they don't care.

The LAPD prevailed upon the dealer to donate a truck.  He decided to make it "prize" instead, which gets him out of paying gift tax and makes the truck taxable to the victims.

LAPD should buying the truck, donating it, and paying the gift tax.


Totes. And then the two women should smile thankfully and proceed with their lawsuit and try to get federal charges for attempted murder.
2013-03-13 12:48:16 AM
4 votes:

DownDaRiver: I have read several other versions of this story. Seems like the LAPD had nothing to do with the actual deal on the new truck. They don't seem to be at blame for that.
The 1099 is an IRS deal, can they get around that? Even if someone else did pick up that tab, anyway you accept it, it still counts as a gift. That's a fed deal, they don't care.


The LAPD prevailed upon the dealer to donate a truck.  He decided to make it "prize" instead, which gets him out of paying gift tax and makes the truck taxable to the victims.

LAPD should buying the truck, donating it, and paying the gift tax.
2013-03-13 12:36:55 AM
4 votes:

ArkAngel: Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.

It's not really the fault of the LAPD tax-wise. There's not much they can do to avoid it.


The LAPD had $1,000,000 donated by private citizens to kill Dorner. I think they could ask their donors whether they could throw $10k of that towards two elderly women whom they accidentally shot up.
2013-03-13 02:50:53 AM
3 votes:
This is the way it is because the LAPD ARE TOP-NOTCH DOUCHES.

Whatever thought I had of moving a buisness to that region is toast - and this ain't an ITG moment - I dont feel safe there, and neither should you. Attempted Murder, medical bills, now, less than a "pardon, maam", before they burned a man alive rather than deal with due process.

I hope they choke on their own rusty pistols for terrorizing LA. Uniforms just take that terrorism and call it "paid adminstrative leave"

i've spoken up before about how I dont care about Dorner a bit. I care about the police state meant to protect hollywood elites (who make their money from the very society they want to seperate from) deciding that anyone on the "outside" can be burned alive, jailed for less-than-whims (my personal experience), anything.. you're not important to them because you're not really "people".
2013-03-13 06:13:33 AM
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family.


NO IT'S NOT!

Police aren't soldiers. They are not expendable, but they have rules of engagement that are different than every other possible job out there. The primary job of the police is to protect the citizens and uphold the rule of law. If they want to come home to their families every day, they can go get a different job.

Just because these guys were on a protection detail with a known cop killer on the loose doesn't excuse opening fire on the wrong kind of vehicle with the wrong kind of drivers. They're horrible cops. They're the antithesis of what it means to wear a badge.
2013-03-13 05:18:42 AM
2 votes:

Daedalus27: I am not trying to defend what these officers did. I am trying to place myself in their position at that night after hearing 2 gun fights with police by a suspect they thought was driving down their street to kill the person they were assigned to protect. I can see how that may lead them to overreact and do something entirely stupid and put the lives of those poor women and any other homeowners in the area at risk.


I could, but that's not acceptable of police.

If they were volunteers or random gangbangers, sure. You could fire your shotgun into the air for no reason whatsoever if you're scared according to our vice president. There's no code of conduct there. Still not acceptable, but understandable.

If you're a cop, you should take a bullet from a bad guy being overly cautious before you open fire on the wrong people. Why? Because your job first and foremost is to keep people from being wrongfully assaulted in your city. Wrongfully assaulting people in your city with deadly force is like wrong3 for a cop. If you're not up to the task of "Serve and Protect" you shouldn't be a cop. This is demotion, this isn't redemption, this is career ending. It's everything possible wrong at once.
2013-03-13 03:19:30 AM
2 votes:

BSABSVR: doglover: The cops who shot these women should have ALL their assets seized. ALL of them, especially pension.

The women should get the option of taking possession of those assets.

ta-da

OK. Now given that that is legally impossible, do you have any ideas that are actually feasible, or just angry-imbecile-at-the-bar style populism?


perhaps 102 bullets fired at innocent citizens should equal attempted homicide charges for each shooter.

with each passing year police get more batshiat crazy and more people suffer & die because of it.
2013-03-13 03:07:56 AM
2 votes:

L.D. Ablo: They should sue.  The settlement will be better than this offer.


Looks like they're going to:

Jonas plans on filing a government claim, which is a precursor to any lawsuit filed against a government agency.

Good. Sue those farkers back to the stone age.
2013-03-13 02:58:09 AM
2 votes:

MNguy: ongbok:

Oprah didn't give them away, GM did.

I can't find anything that confirms that.  Do you have a link?


Pontiac agreed to pay most of the local charges, including state sales tax and licensing fees.

There have been other articles that explained the exact details, but that doesn't sound like Oprah bought and gave away the cars. It sounds more like an attempt to advertise a line of cars.
2013-03-13 02:45:38 AM
2 votes:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I can't believe whoever handles PR for the LAPD wouldn't have jumped in and fixed this crap before it became a story.  ANYTHING about these two women makes the LAPD look like the sociopathic assholes they are, and they can't expose that fact to the public if at all possible.


Why not? They promoted the guys involved in the Rodney King beating so it's pretty clear they don't care what the public thinks about anything.
2013-03-13 01:40:22 AM
2 votes:
LAPD needs to settle ASAP. These women deserve a lot more than just a new truck.

But nothing is stopping them from donating a new truck + the taxes on the new truck + the taxes on the taxes on the new truck
2013-03-13 03:26:31 PM
1 votes:

ReapTheChaos: "Eight officers were involved in the shooting. They were assigned to non-field assignments "until the (police) chief decides otherwise."

There is absolutely no excuse for this. All eight of them belong in jail.


Yes. Bur here in the real world, how it works is:

All eight spend the next couple of months at their desks playing freecell and trolling the LA TImes comment threads while the Department investigates itself. Then, late some Friday afternoon when something else big is in the news, the Police quietly release the results of their investigation, which are that neither these eight nor any other LAPD officer has ever committed a mistake or misconduct, so why should there be any review or change of policy or training? What's more these officers are actually Heroes in Blue who deserve raises and promotions in addition to the commendations we just awarded them. And oh, by the way, ladies, here's your citations for leaving your truck illegally parked in the street while you went to the hospital, and for having broken taillights and a damaged windshield; also, the dry-cleaning bill for our soiled underpants.
2013-03-13 02:41:35 PM
1 votes:
F*ck you, LAPD. Just f*ck you.

/LA is a beautiful city, but I think it just skyrocketed to the top of my 'places I will never live' list.
2013-03-13 01:36:02 PM
1 votes:
If I were the two ladies, I'd ask for 102 million dollars.

Then, when they accuse me of making it 'all about the money', I'd call a press conference and say:

It's NOT all about the money. I will gladly drop the lawsuit (except for medical and other expenses) if the following happened:

1) All the cops who shot at me were arrested and tried for attempted murder. The number of counts based on the number of shots they fired.

2) Regardless of the outcome, all the cops involved are fired and can never be hired as police again.

3) No gag order or similar restrictions.

...but the DA and cops will NEVER go for this. Thus, it is THEM making it 'all about the money'.

- of course, I might phrase it slightly better, but you get the point.
2013-03-13 09:11:57 AM
1 votes:

MythDragon: Well it's not so much that case, but the ruling on it. Unless I am reading it wrong, (and please correct me if I am) the Surpreme Court is stating that the police are not required to protect you at all. Be it a city wide search for one guy whom you simply have a restraining order on, or a vicious dog chasing you, or some guy who is about to kick your ass. Seems to me the ruling allows the police to walk by a vicious breed dog (such as a pug, golden retriever, or husky) as it chews your ass or some guy that you know is going to beat you, slowly walking towards you with a baseball bat since he hasn't actualy commited a crime yet.



In NYC they are arguing that during a manhunt if you are attacked by the person they are looking for the police watchingt he attack have no duty to help.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/to_serve_but_not_protect_ Q r3ume5gEhMhtg8LvHgzAI">http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/to _serve_but_not_protect_Q r3ume5gEhMhtg8LvHgzAI
2013-03-13 08:27:04 AM
1 votes:

L.D. Ablo: They should sue.  The settlement will be better than this offer.

2013-03-13 07:33:00 AM
1 votes:

doglover: The primary job of the police is to protect the citizens and uphold the rule of law.



Aparently_not_any_more.
2013-03-13 07:21:41 AM
1 votes:

Karac: not all of Dorner's ideas were batshiat insane.


Dorner was totally insane.

His allegations of corruption and horribleness in the police force were immediately proven accurate by the police themselves.

He's was the Mad Hatter calling the Kettle cracked.
2013-03-13 07:19:12 AM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family.


That's the first and foremost job of everyone, even people who have more dangerous jobs.  You know, taxi drivers, commercial fishermen, pizza delivery.
2013-03-13 07:18:37 AM
1 votes:
Loss: 1 truck.
Gain: 1 truck.
Net income to women: 0
Net income to LAPD: more people thinking that maybe not all of Dorner's ideas were batshiat insane.
2013-03-13 07:11:51 AM
1 votes:
Dear LAPD,

It's much cheaper to pay for the truck and the taxes on the truck (and the taxes on the taxes) than to fight and lose a lawsuit.

--Dog Welder
2013-03-13 06:59:44 AM
1 votes:

ArkAngel: It's not really the fault of the LAPD tax-wise. There's not much they can do to avoid it. If it had been the settlement of a lawsuit, or the result of an insurance deal, that would be different and the IRS would treat it differently


It is the fault of the LAPD everything-wise.

They randomly shot to women who looking nothing liek the person they were after and were driving a completely different vehicle.

BarkingUnicorn: The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family. But cops need to be good multitaskers


I hadn't realized serve and protect was changed to serve and protect as long as you in no way risk harming yourself. But given cops behavior this changes makes sense.

Daedalus27: They have to live with that decision and face the consequences. I just don't feel attempted murder is justified or even on the table in these circumstances. Excessive force, assault under color of authority, or some charge like that with a hefty civil rights violation civil suit if this can't be settled out of court. I don't think they had any bad intentions when they shot up that vehicle, so a long prison sentence probably doesn't do any one any good (thats not to say some jail time isn't inappropriate). In any event, these officers career in law enforcement is over and the closest they will get to a crime is as a mall security guard


They were trying to killl the people in that vehicle.

I woudl call that a "bad intention".

The police should get no more leeway than the average person when it comes to targeting soemone who is no direct threat.

This shoudl be treated no different than if soem guy out for a walk heard about Dorner and made the same "mistake" these cops did.
2013-03-13 06:27:31 AM
1 votes:
See, if I was the LAPD, I'd have paid for the truck.
Brand new truck,any model, fully loaded, letter of apology, etc...

Because the alternative is these girls sue you in court and get whatever they ask for.
I don't think anyone would deny them a few million for their troubles just to teach the LAPD a lesson.
2013-03-13 06:01:47 AM
1 votes:
Another option is to let the women shoot up a couple cop cars. That would be fun.
2013-03-13 05:54:08 AM
1 votes:
"It's really sad for us because we want to help these women move on with their lives, and help them move forward with that, we just can't get past the 1099 issue," LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith said. "The government has to take their bite out of it, I guess."

That's when the LAPD gets their stupid f*cking photo op by paying the income tax on the donation, Lou.  Feigned generosity: it can be done in non-bullet form.
2013-03-13 05:09:47 AM
1 votes:

wickedragon: Wow. Someone should really stick it to the LAPD.

On a lighter note, how come not more LAPD officers are killed by angry mobs?
And how come the eight officers of the law who completely unprovoked opened fire on a random vehicle isn't on trial for attempted murder? "non-field assignment"? That's what they get? "Until the chief decides otherwise"? The fark! Police officers should NOT be treated lighter by the law than other citizens but harsher. They should be out of a job and into a jail cell where they should learn how to behave as proper farking human farking beings for farking farks fark! x|


They are probably still investigating the incident.  Then they have the formal discipline hearing, then any appeals, so it will be a year or more before the entire process concludes.  It isn't attempted murder because they mistakenly thought that they had to open fire on that truck to protect their principle.  They acted in a completely unjustified manner looking back, but I can see in those facts and circumstances, they might have believed it was kill or be killed.  It was wrong, they should be at minimum demoted to meter reader if not fired.  As far as criminal charges, excessive force would be the likely charge, not attempted murder. They were attempting to stop a non-existant, but real threat in their minds and they went too far.

Please, I am not trying to defend what these officers did.  I am trying to place myself in their position at that night after hearing 2 gun fights with police by a suspect they thought was driving down their street to kill the person they were assigned to protect.  I can see how that may lead them to overreact and do something entirely stupid and put the lives of those poor women and any other homeowners in the area at risk.  They have to live with that decision and face the consequences.  I just don't feel attempted murder is justified or even on the table in these circumstances.  Excessive force, assault under color of authority, or some charge like that with a hefty civil rights violation civil suit if this can't be settled out of court.  I don't think they had any bad intentions when they shot up that vehicle, so a long prison sentence probably doesn't do any one any good (thats not to say some jail time isn't inappropriate). In any event, these officers career in law enforcement is over and the closest they will get to a crime is as a mall security guard.
2013-03-13 04:32:54 AM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.


I was thinking the same thing right up until the"white boy".

I bet you're that "above the racism type". Thinking because your black ancestors sold your black ancestors to our white not quite ancestors that that means you can be a racist dbag.
2013-03-13 04:25:46 AM
1 votes:
Wow. Someone should really stick it to the LAPD.

On a lighter note, how come not more LAPD officers are killed by angry mobs?
And how come the eight officers of the law who completely unprovoked opened fire on a random vehicle isn't on trial for attempted murder? "non-field assignment"? That's what they get? "Until the chief decides otherwise"? The fark! Police officers should NOT be treated lighter by the law than other citizens but harsher. They should be out of a job and into a jail cell where they should learn how to behave as proper farking human farking beings for farking farks fark! x|
2013-03-13 03:30:57 AM
1 votes:
Had this happened outside of the Middle East, China, Africa and the United States the officers responsible would be on the way to a long prison sentence.
2013-03-13 03:26:30 AM
1 votes:
This one is the tipping point for me on "not liking" vs. "liking" police. And it's tipped.
2013-03-13 03:25:38 AM
1 votes:
FTFY-

Dear LAPD sad excuse for a police department,

You shot two women, one 71 years old, who did not look anything like the suspect and who were not driving a vehicle like the suspect. Please immediately pay their medical bills and buy them a new truck. Do not deduct anything and structure the deal so they don't have to pay taxes. Do not pass Go. prepare for a huge lawsuit, although I'm sure you'll settle it out of court at the last minute (like you always do), so you don't have to admit any wrongdoing and receive a gag order from the defendants so the sad excuse for civil protection will no longer allowed to be discussed. You will pay millions of dollars for your asshattery (as always) because you were unwilling to do the right thing from the start. It's pitiful how lame you are. Also, some of you need to surrender your man cards for shooting 100 rounds and not killing the target...although, thank FSM for your incompetence.

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen
2013-03-13 02:53:36 AM
1 votes:
Let me be real clear about my last statement: officers involved in the Rodney King beating, no matter what you may think about it led to the LA riots, got PROMOTED, not sent to Siberia forever, or whatever crap job they can come up with. Even if you are good at your job, if you start the bubonic plague, you don't get to move up, ever.
2013-03-13 02:39:49 AM
1 votes:
Just think, this mess would never have happened if those two women had been armed and able to defend themselves while they waited for the police to protect them.
2013-03-13 02:37:08 AM
1 votes:

MNguy: BarkingUnicorn:
AzLefty:  the giver pays gift tax, not the recipient.

That's what I thought.  Isn't there also an exemption for something like $10,000? It's also why Oprah called those cars she gave away 'prizes' so the people who got them had to pay the taxes on them.


Oprah didn't give them away, GM did.

And if anybody ever thought that the LAPD would just give the victims of their shooting spree anything without a court order to do so are just dumb. If these victims are smart, they would refuse any help that comes their way, because the LAPD lawyers will use it against them in the settlement talks.
2013-03-13 01:31:29 AM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: ArkAngel: Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.

It's not really the fault of the LAPD tax-wise. There's not much they can do to avoid it.

The LAPD had $1,000,000 donated by private citizens to kill Dorner. I think they could ask their donors whether they could throw $10k of that towards two elderly women whom they accidentally shot up.


It would still be a taxable gift
2013-03-13 01:03:10 AM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: The LAPD had $1,000,000 donated by private citizens to kill Dorner. I think they could ask their donors whether they could throw $10k of that towards two elderly women whom they accidentally shot up.


There it is!  Get enough donors so that each kicks in less than $13K and there's no gift tax.
2013-03-13 12:27:26 AM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.


It's not really the fault of the LAPD tax-wise. There's not much they can do to avoid it. If it had been the settlement of a lawsuit, or the result of an insurance deal, that would be different and the IRS would treat it differently.
2013-03-12 10:56:22 PM
1 votes:
Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance. That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.
 
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