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(KNBC 4 Los Angeles)   The two women whose truck was shot up by the LAPD because they were mistaken for a black guy will not be getting a new truck because: a) the LAPD wanted them to pay income tax, b) the LAPD wanted them to pose for a photo op, c) all of the above   (nbclosangeles.com ) divider line
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2013-03-12 10:56:22 PM  
Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance. That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.
 
2013-03-13 12:13:42 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed

.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.
 
2013-03-13 12:26:52 AM  
Dear LAPD,

You shot two women, one 71 years old, who did not look anything like the suspect and who were not driving a vehicle like the suspect. Please immediately pay their medical bills and buy them a new truck. Do not deduct anything and structure the deal so they don't have to pay taxes. Do not pass Go. Also, some of you need to surrender your man cards for shooting 100 rounds and not killing the target...although, thank FSM for your incompetence.

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen
 
2013-03-13 12:27:26 AM  

Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.


It's not really the fault of the LAPD tax-wise. There's not much they can do to avoid it. If it had been the settlement of a lawsuit, or the result of an insurance deal, that would be different and the IRS would treat it differently.
 
2013-03-13 12:28:07 AM  
I tend to see the side of law enforcement in most cases. In this one, I pretty much have nothing but a hearty "FU" for LAPD.  They got trigger happy, blew the crap out of an innocent bystander's vehicle, damn near killed them and then just ask a dealer to handle it for them?  fark that.  Ask them exactly what they want, go put the effort in finding it and write a check on the spot.

Handing it over to a dealer to "figure it out" was a dick move.  You shot them up, you pay for it.  That's the rules us citizens have when we fark up - why doesn't the same thing apply to the police?

As far as the tax issue goes, I am pretty sure the government could figure it out, but the fact is the just don't want to - which is the trouble with it anyway - it lives now to feed its own bureaucracy, not serve the citizens.
 
2013-03-13 12:30:26 AM  
They should sue.  The settlement will be better than this offer.
 
2013-03-13 12:30:59 AM  
"Gifts" are taxable so they are responsible for the  taxes, also  the truck was not a settlement for injury etc.  but a peace offering for being Barney Fifes
PS the IRS takes payments as little as 50.00 a month until they  settle for that sweet, sweet lawsuit money they will be getting
 
2013-03-13 12:35:13 AM  
I have read several other versions of this story. Seems like the LAPD had nothing to do with the actual deal on the new truck. They don't seem to be at blame for that.
The 1099 is an IRS deal, can they get around that? Even if someone else did pick up that tab, anyway you accept it, it still counts as a gift. That's a fed deal, they don't care.
 
2013-03-13 12:36:55 AM  

ArkAngel: Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.

It's not really the fault of the LAPD tax-wise. There's not much they can do to avoid it.


The LAPD had $1,000,000 donated by private citizens to kill Dorner. I think they could ask their donors whether they could throw $10k of that towards two elderly women whom they accidentally shot up.
 
2013-03-13 12:46:20 AM  

Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.


I'm not unsympathetic.  I just didn't see any other options.  HuffPo's article showed one:  LAPD donates truck, pays gift tax, ladies get free truck.  That's how it should go.

AzLefty:  the giver pays gift tax, not the recipient.
 
2013-03-13 12:48:16 AM  

DownDaRiver: I have read several other versions of this story. Seems like the LAPD had nothing to do with the actual deal on the new truck. They don't seem to be at blame for that.
The 1099 is an IRS deal, can they get around that? Even if someone else did pick up that tab, anyway you accept it, it still counts as a gift. That's a fed deal, they don't care.


The LAPD prevailed upon the dealer to donate a truck.  He decided to make it "prize" instead, which gets him out of paying gift tax and makes the truck taxable to the victims.

LAPD should buying the truck, donating it, and paying the gift tax.
 
2013-03-13 12:51:08 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: DownDaRiver: I have read several other versions of this story. Seems like the LAPD had nothing to do with the actual deal on the new truck. They don't seem to be at blame for that.
The 1099 is an IRS deal, can they get around that? Even if someone else did pick up that tab, anyway you accept it, it still counts as a gift. That's a fed deal, they don't care.

The LAPD prevailed upon the dealer to donate a truck.  He decided to make it "prize" instead, which gets him out of paying gift tax and makes the truck taxable to the victims.

LAPD should buying the truck, donating it, and paying the gift tax.


Totes. And then the two women should smile thankfully and proceed with their lawsuit and try to get federal charges for attempted murder.
 
2013-03-13 12:51:45 AM  

Azlefty: "Gifts" are taxable so they are responsible for the  taxes, also  the truck was not a settlement for injury etc.  but a peace offering for being Barney Fifes
PS the IRS takes payments as little as 50.00 a month until they  settle for that sweet, sweet lawsuit money they will be getting


Gifts are taxable to the giftor, not the giftee.
 
2013-03-13 12:53:47 AM  

DarkLancelot: Azlefty: "Gifts" are taxable so they are responsible for the  taxes, also  the truck was not a settlement for injury etc.  but a peace offering for being Barney Fifes
PS the IRS takes payments as little as 50.00 a month until they  settle for that sweet, sweet lawsuit money they will be getting

Gifts are taxable to the giftor, not the giftee.


And only the amount over $13K.  Cops would owe 20% of $20K, roughly.
 
2013-03-13 01:03:10 AM  

Theaetetus: The LAPD had $1,000,000 donated by private citizens to kill Dorner. I think they could ask their donors whether they could throw $10k of that towards two elderly women whom they accidentally shot up.


There it is!  Get enough donors so that each kicks in less than $13K and there's no gift tax.
 
2013-03-13 01:31:29 AM  

Theaetetus: ArkAngel: Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.

It's not really the fault of the LAPD tax-wise. There's not much they can do to avoid it.

The LAPD had $1,000,000 donated by private citizens to kill Dorner. I think they could ask their donors whether they could throw $10k of that towards two elderly women whom they accidentally shot up.


It would still be a taxable gift
 
2013-03-13 01:40:22 AM  
LAPD needs to settle ASAP. These women deserve a lot more than just a new truck.

But nothing is stopping them from donating a new truck + the taxes on the new truck + the taxes on the taxes on the new truck
 
2013-03-13 02:14:47 AM  

Krieghund: LAPD needs to settle ASAP. These women deserve a lot more than just a new truck.

But nothing is stopping them from donating a new truck + the taxes on the new truck + the taxes on the taxes on the new truck


You would think their local Toyota dealer might be telling them that.
 
2013-03-13 02:26:59 AM  

Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.




Glad you threw in the racist slant at the end. Nice touch.
 
2013-03-13 02:28:15 AM  
The cops who shot these women should have ALL their assets seized. ALL of them, especially pension.

The women should get the option of taking possession of those assets.

ta-da
 
2013-03-13 02:29:50 AM  

LadySusan: Dear LAPD,

You shot two women, one 71 years old, who did not look anything like the suspect and who were not driving a vehicle like the suspect. Please immediately pay their medical bills and buy them a new truck. Do not deduct anything and structure the deal so they don't have to pay taxes. Do not pass Go. Also, some of you need to surrender your man cards for shooting 100 rounds and not killing the target...although, thank FSM for your incompetence.

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen


Agreed
 
2013-03-13 02:31:02 AM  
BarkingUnicorn:
AzLefty:  the giver pays gift tax, not the recipient.

That's what I thought.  Isn't there also an exemption for something like $10,000? It's also why Oprah called those cars she gave away 'prizes' so the people who got them had to pay the taxes on them.
 
2013-03-13 02:32:23 AM  

MNguy: BarkingUnicorn:
AzLefty:  the giver pays gift tax, not the recipient.

That's what I thought.  Isn't there also an exemption for something like $10,000? It's also why Oprah called those cars she gave away 'prizes' so the people who got them had to pay the taxes on them.


Well, I see I'm being redundant.
 
Ehh
2013-03-13 02:32:26 AM  

LadySusan: Dear LAPD,

You shot two women, one 71 years old, who did not look anything like the suspect and who were not driving a vehicle like the suspect. Please immediately pay their medical bills and buy them a new truck. Do not deduct anything and structure the deal so they don't have to pay taxes. Do not pass Go. Also, some of you need to surrender your man cards for shooting 100 rounds and not killing the target...although, thank FSM for your incompetence.

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen


Done.
 
2013-03-13 02:34:50 AM  
I can't believe whoever handles PR for the LAPD wouldn't have jumped in and fixed this crap before it became a story.  ANYTHING about these two women makes the LAPD look like the sociopathic assholes they are, and they can't expose that fact to the public if at all possible.
 
2013-03-13 02:36:54 AM  

LadySusan: Dear LAPD,

You shot two women, one 71 years old, who did not look anything like the suspect and who were not driving a vehicle like the suspect. Please immediately pay their medical bills and buy them a new truck. Do not deduct anything and structure the deal so they don't have to pay taxes. Do not pass Go. Also, some of you need to surrender your man cards for shooting 100 rounds and not killing the target...although, thank FSM for your incompetence.

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen


THIS
 
2013-03-13 02:37:08 AM  

MNguy: BarkingUnicorn:
AzLefty:  the giver pays gift tax, not the recipient.

That's what I thought.  Isn't there also an exemption for something like $10,000? It's also why Oprah called those cars she gave away 'prizes' so the people who got them had to pay the taxes on them.


Oprah didn't give them away, GM did.

And if anybody ever thought that the LAPD would just give the victims of their shooting spree anything without a court order to do so are just dumb. If these victims are smart, they would refuse any help that comes their way, because the LAPD lawyers will use it against them in the settlement talks.
 
2013-03-13 02:39:49 AM  
Just think, this mess would never have happened if those two women had been armed and able to defend themselves while they waited for the police to protect them.
 
2013-03-13 02:39:55 AM  

ongbok: MNguy: BarkingUnicorn:
AzLefty:  the giver pays gift tax, not the recipient.

That's what I thought.  Isn't there also an exemption for something like $10,000? It's also why Oprah called those cars she gave away 'prizes' so the people who got them had to pay the taxes on them.

Oprah didn't give them away, GM did.

And if anybody ever thought that the LAPD would just give the victims of their shooting spree anything without a court order to do so are just dumb. If these victims are smart, they would refuse any help that comes their way, because the LAPD lawyers will use it against them in the settlement talks.


The settlement? Any shyster should be willing to work pro boner.
 
2013-03-13 02:40:53 AM  
me texan: Handing it over to a dealer to "figure it out" was a dick move.  You shot them up, you pay for it.  That's the rules us citizens have when we fark up - why doesn't the same thing apply to the police?


Same reason we're paying hundreds of politicians to sit on their thumbs.
 
2013-03-13 02:42:23 AM  
ongbok:

Oprah didn't give them away, GM did.

I can't find anything that confirms that.  Do you have a link?
 
2013-03-13 02:42:27 AM  
"Eight officers were involved in the shooting. They were assigned to non-field assignments "until the (police) chief decides otherwise."

There is absolutely no excuse for this. All eight of them belong in jail.
 
2013-03-13 02:45:38 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I can't believe whoever handles PR for the LAPD wouldn't have jumped in and fixed this crap before it became a story.  ANYTHING about these two women makes the LAPD look like the sociopathic assholes they are, and they can't expose that fact to the public if at all possible.


Why not? They promoted the guys involved in the Rodney King beating so it's pretty clear they don't care what the public thinks about anything.
 
2013-03-13 02:47:49 AM  
 ongbok:

Nevermind.  They were donated by Pontiac.
 
2013-03-13 02:50:53 AM  
This is the way it is because the LAPD ARE TOP-NOTCH DOUCHES.

Whatever thought I had of moving a buisness to that region is toast - and this ain't an ITG moment - I dont feel safe there, and neither should you. Attempted Murder, medical bills, now, less than a "pardon, maam", before they burned a man alive rather than deal with due process.

I hope they choke on their own rusty pistols for terrorizing LA. Uniforms just take that terrorism and call it "paid adminstrative leave"

i've spoken up before about how I dont care about Dorner a bit. I care about the police state meant to protect hollywood elites (who make their money from the very society they want to seperate from) deciding that anyone on the "outside" can be burned alive, jailed for less-than-whims (my personal experience), anything.. you're not important to them because you're not really "people".
 
2013-03-13 02:53:36 AM  
Let me be real clear about my last statement: officers involved in the Rodney King beating, no matter what you may think about it led to the LA riots, got PROMOTED, not sent to Siberia forever, or whatever crap job they can come up with. Even if you are good at your job, if you start the bubonic plague, you don't get to move up, ever.
 
2013-03-13 02:57:35 AM  
There's outrage then there's this bull shiat.
 
2013-03-13 02:58:09 AM  

MNguy: ongbok:

Oprah didn't give them away, GM did.

I can't find anything that confirms that.  Do you have a link?


Pontiac agreed to pay most of the local charges, including state sales tax and licensing fees.

There have been other articles that explained the exact details, but that doesn't sound like Oprah bought and gave away the cars. It sounds more like an attempt to advertise a line of cars.
 
2013-03-13 03:07:56 AM  

L.D. Ablo: They should sue.  The settlement will be better than this offer.


Looks like they're going to:

Jonas plans on filing a government claim, which is a precursor to any lawsuit filed against a government agency.

Good. Sue those farkers back to the stone age.
 
2013-03-13 03:10:35 AM  

doglover: The cops who shot these women should have ALL their assets seized. ALL of them, especially pension.

The women should get the option of taking possession of those assets.

ta-da


OK. Now given that that is legally impossible, do you have any ideas that are actually feasible, or just angry-imbecile-at-the-bar style populism?
 
2013-03-13 03:19:16 AM  
I am sure there will be more than enough for trucks after they win a lawsuit.
 
2013-03-13 03:19:30 AM  

BSABSVR: doglover: The cops who shot these women should have ALL their assets seized. ALL of them, especially pension.

The women should get the option of taking possession of those assets.

ta-da

OK. Now given that that is legally impossible, do you have any ideas that are actually feasible, or just angry-imbecile-at-the-bar style populism?


perhaps 102 bullets fired at innocent citizens should equal attempted homicide charges for each shooter.

with each passing year police get more batshiat crazy and more people suffer & die because of it.
 
2013-03-13 03:21:15 AM  

MNguy: BarkingUnicorn:
AzLefty:  the giver pays gift tax, not the recipient.

That's what I thought.  Isn't there also an exemption for something like $10,000? It's also why Oprah called those cars she gave away 'prizes' so the people who got them had to pay the taxes on them.


So you are saying Oprah intentionally went out of her way to term something a "prize" and not a gift JUST so they had to pay taxes on them?

Seems kinda douchey.

Unless of course, there is a better, more sane reason.
 
2013-03-13 03:21:54 AM  

ongbok: MNguy: BarkingUnicorn:
AzLefty:  the giver pays gift tax, not the recipient.

That's what I thought.  Isn't there also an exemption for something like $10,000? It's also why Oprah called those cars she gave away 'prizes' so the people who got them had to pay the taxes on them.

Oprah didn't give them away, GM did.

And if anybody ever thought that the LAPD would just give the victims of their shooting spree anything without a court order to do so are just dumb. If these victims are smart, they would refuse any help that comes their way, because the LAPD lawyers will use it against them in the settlement talks.


IIRC, GM paid all sales taxes and gave options on when to take delivery ...which is what the LAPD should do, along with paying any and all medical bills for both women.

Went to look it up: GM did pay sales taxes and offered a deferment:  http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tax-show-is-next-for-oprahs-car-winn i ng-audience?pagenumber=2 No one turned the car down, but several did defer delivery until the following year so they could take advantage of tax credits and allow accountants to give a fair market value (meaning adjust for below sticker price, just as no sensible person actually pays sticker price on a car), thus actually saving them some money on the taxes. It was the IRS regulations that screwed the audience members (and as ongbok states, it was nothing more than a glorified advertisement--at the time Oprah had millions of women who would practically do anything she said), not King World or GM/Pontiac, just as the article indicates it's the IRS screwing these two women over, not necessarily the car dealer or the LAPD (much as I hate to admit it).

Still, there are ways to get around that particular regulation--the LAPD and car dealer's attorneys and/or accountants could easily help with that. Instead, they'll end up costing far more than $30000 for a truck and a couple hundred thousand for medical. LA's newest millionaires right here--all because the LAPD are farking morons.
 
2013-03-13 03:25:38 AM  
FTFY-

Dear LAPD sad excuse for a police department,

You shot two women, one 71 years old, who did not look anything like the suspect and who were not driving a vehicle like the suspect. Please immediately pay their medical bills and buy them a new truck. Do not deduct anything and structure the deal so they don't have to pay taxes. Do not pass Go. prepare for a huge lawsuit, although I'm sure you'll settle it out of court at the last minute (like you always do), so you don't have to admit any wrongdoing and receive a gag order from the defendants so the sad excuse for civil protection will no longer allowed to be discussed. You will pay millions of dollars for your asshattery (as always) because you were unwilling to do the right thing from the start. It's pitiful how lame you are. Also, some of you need to surrender your man cards for shooting 100 rounds and not killing the target...although, thank FSM for your incompetence.

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen
 
2013-03-13 03:26:30 AM  
This one is the tipping point for me on "not liking" vs. "liking" police. And it's tipped.
 
2013-03-13 03:29:01 AM  
The LAPD could have simply handled this by giving an appropriate cash figt with the truck that just so happens to match the amount of taxes owed on the price of the truck and cash awarded.  So if it is a 30k truck give them another 10k or 15k cash on top of it.  Call it a prepayment on the large settlement that these women can and should get.  The LAPD police chief tried to get a PR boost and this blew up in his face because he wanted to do it on the cheap.  The good news is appears to have been handled today on a radio talk show discussing the issue when the interested parties all called in (car dealer working with the LAPD, city council member, city attorney, plaintiffs attorney).  http://www.kfiam640.com/player/?mid=22975252&station=KFI-AM&program_i d =JohnandKen.xml&program_name=podcast
 
2013-03-13 03:29:41 AM  
Aigoo:  not King World or GM/Pontiac, just as the article indicates it's the IRS screwing these two women over, not necessarily the car dealer or the LAPD (much as I hate to admit it).

I'
m pretty sure it was a semantical thing though.  If they had been claimed by Oprah or GM or whoever gave the cars away as 'gifts' as opposed to 'prizes' the entire tax burden would have fallen on them.
 
2013-03-13 03:30:57 AM  
Had this happened outside of the Middle East, China, Africa and the United States the officers responsible would be on the way to a long prison sentence.
 
2013-03-13 03:32:09 AM  

KrispyKritter: BSABSVR: doglover: The cops who shot these women should have ALL their assets seized. ALL of them, especially pension.

The women should get the option of taking possession of those assets.

ta-da

OK. Now given that that is legally impossible, do you have any ideas that are actually feasible, or just angry-imbecile-at-the-bar style populism?

perhaps 102 bullets fired at innocent citizens should equal attempted homicide charges for each shooter.

with each passing year police get more batshiat crazy and more people suffer & die because of it.


OK, so that would involve putting in the work to convince the state legislature to modify California's Governmental Immunity Act.
 
2013-03-13 03:35:02 AM  

BSABSVR: OK. Now given that that is legally impossible


It's not impossible at all. We have lawmakers who can pass new laws. Get them on it. Also, what is legally possible is pointless if the legal system sucks, and do it ever suck; yessiree.

But if you really want my practical ideas:

1. Fire the cops who shot at this truck. A police officer's job is to defend the public from crime up to the expense of their own life. If you won't hold you fire long enough to even see who or what you're shooting at, you don't deserve to be a cop. End of story, end of careers.

2. Give the women a truck and pay for it out of pocket. No taxpayer money, all cop money. Every officer in the force should be willing to chip in the make these women whole mentally, physically, and financially to show them and us they're not like the farkers who opened fire. Anyone who isn't, also off the force. Good bye.

3. Publicly gut the LAPD and let's see what spills out. . Obviously, something is very, very wrong is going on over there if they shoot two Mexican women in looking for a giant black man. I want every closet turned out and all the skeletons brought to light publicly. Shame, humiliation, and accountability will be byproducts; but mostly the LAPD is broken and it needs fixin' or LA's gonna be the next Detroit and it's painfully obvious we can't trust the LAPD to police themselves or their city properly.


Make it rain pink slips like Pac Man Jones at a strip club in Monopoly land.
 
2013-03-13 03:35:09 AM  
Geez, they should quit complaining.  If they want to drive something big then they should go to Israel and drive a Palistinian only bus.  Um... Oh wait a minute... I think I just did some God Damn thing with this post.

Sorry!  Sorry!
 
2013-03-13 03:54:39 AM  
Why is this taxed as income and not capital gains? Or don't you do capital taxes over there? Doesn't look like income to me...
 
2013-03-13 03:55:12 AM  
Dear police
i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-13 03:58:50 AM  
Isnt anyone going to thank Obama?
 
2013-03-13 04:06:58 AM  

Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.



in a thread where literally everyone left and right and center agree about the insanity of the situation,
all but the fark brigade of cop gobblers,
you still somehow how manage to proudly proclaim your status as the self appointed guardian of the oppressed against things only you think exist douchebag badge.
even I'm a little impressed how quick you went from irs deduction to racist.
bravo asshole.


/these chicks were probably doing this as a side gig, not running their own business. they probably take the standard deduction and don't even itemize.
//and if even if they do somehow have a small business delivering the paper I'm doubting that accelerating the depreciation on that nice truck of theirs that the lapd shot full of 102 bullets comes close to the tax on a free 33k for a median income family.
 
2013-03-13 04:11:14 AM  

Pert: Why is this taxed as income and not capital gains? Or don't you do capital taxes over there? Doesn't look like income to me...


capital gains must mean something entirely different wherever you are from.
here it means something you already which  appreciates in value and then is sold, so the gain is actually realized, and the gov gets a cut if the type of property sold does not have an exception. cars, art, stocks, houses all get taxed if you sell them for a profit usually.
 
2013-03-13 04:25:46 AM  
Wow. Someone should really stick it to the LAPD.

On a lighter note, how come not more LAPD officers are killed by angry mobs?
And how come the eight officers of the law who completely unprovoked opened fire on a random vehicle isn't on trial for attempted murder? "non-field assignment"? That's what they get? "Until the chief decides otherwise"? The fark! Police officers should NOT be treated lighter by the law than other citizens but harsher. They should be out of a job and into a jail cell where they should learn how to behave as proper farking human farking beings for farking farks fark! x|
 
2013-03-13 04:32:54 AM  

Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.


I was thinking the same thing right up until the"white boy".

I bet you're that "above the racism type". Thinking because your black ancestors sold your black ancestors to our white not quite ancestors that that means you can be a racist dbag.
 
2013-03-13 04:37:03 AM  

mikaloyd: LadySusan: Dear LAPD,

You shot two women, one 71 years old, who did not look anything like the suspect and who were not driving a vehicle like the suspect. Please immediately pay their medical bills and buy them a new truck. Do not deduct anything and structure the deal so they don't have to pay taxes. Do not pass Go. Also, some of you need to surrender your man cards for shooting 100 rounds and not killing the target...although, thank FSM for your incompetence.

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen

Agreed


This.
 
2013-03-13 04:41:11 AM  

Fano: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I can't believe whoever handles PR for the LAPD wouldn't have jumped in and fixed this crap before it became a story.  ANYTHING about these two women makes the LAPD look like the sociopathic assholes they are, and they can't expose that fact to the public if at all possible.

Why not? They promoted the guys involved in the Rodney King beating so it's pretty clear they don't care what the public thinks about anything.


Rodney king actually was on pcp. He also died with it in his system. Can't add link from phone sorry.
 
2013-03-13 04:44:25 AM  

Fano: Let me be real clear about my last statement: officers involved in the Rodney King beating, no matter what you may think about it led to the LA riots, got PROMOTED, not sent to Siberia forever, or whatever crap job they can come up with. Even if you are good at your job, if you start the bubonic plague, you don't get to move up, ever.


I think some people being driven to loot not riot has less to do with injustice than you might think.
 
2013-03-13 04:45:07 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance. That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.


They should just shut the fark up. Some people are never happy.
 
2013-03-13 05:07:00 AM  
Of course the ladies should sue, but the LAPD should also be attempting to provide recompense.  Not as a gift - they are not being rewarded for being innocent - they're having their property replaced after the abuses the LAPD made.  Full and absolute responsibility must be taken by LAPD, including full medical coverage for damages incurred.  Doesn't the Force have insurance policies for gross incompetence?  Also, assuming that those who fired on the vehicle accidentally missed their target, those guys need to be taken off the street - far too dangerous to the public, and held accountable for this misconduct.

If the LAPD does all of the above then maybe the court will be lenient when the ladies win the lawsuit.  You can also just about guarantee that the court would also demand LAPD pay for emotional distress, and any other pain and suffering that these innocents have endured since this debacle.
 
2013-03-13 05:09:47 AM  

wickedragon: Wow. Someone should really stick it to the LAPD.

On a lighter note, how come not more LAPD officers are killed by angry mobs?
And how come the eight officers of the law who completely unprovoked opened fire on a random vehicle isn't on trial for attempted murder? "non-field assignment"? That's what they get? "Until the chief decides otherwise"? The fark! Police officers should NOT be treated lighter by the law than other citizens but harsher. They should be out of a job and into a jail cell where they should learn how to behave as proper farking human farking beings for farking farks fark! x|


They are probably still investigating the incident.  Then they have the formal discipline hearing, then any appeals, so it will be a year or more before the entire process concludes.  It isn't attempted murder because they mistakenly thought that they had to open fire on that truck to protect their principle.  They acted in a completely unjustified manner looking back, but I can see in those facts and circumstances, they might have believed it was kill or be killed.  It was wrong, they should be at minimum demoted to meter reader if not fired.  As far as criminal charges, excessive force would be the likely charge, not attempted murder. They were attempting to stop a non-existant, but real threat in their minds and they went too far.

Please, I am not trying to defend what these officers did.  I am trying to place myself in their position at that night after hearing 2 gun fights with police by a suspect they thought was driving down their street to kill the person they were assigned to protect.  I can see how that may lead them to overreact and do something entirely stupid and put the lives of those poor women and any other homeowners in the area at risk.  They have to live with that decision and face the consequences.  I just don't feel attempted murder is justified or even on the table in these circumstances.  Excessive force, assault under color of authority, or some charge like that with a hefty civil rights violation civil suit if this can't be settled out of court.  I don't think they had any bad intentions when they shot up that vehicle, so a long prison sentence probably doesn't do any one any good (thats not to say some jail time isn't inappropriate). In any event, these officers career in law enforcement is over and the closest they will get to a crime is as a mall security guard.
 
2013-03-13 05:10:06 AM  

awshat: Of course the ladies should sue, but the LAPD should also be attempting to provide recompense.  Not as a gift - they are not being rewarded for being innocent - they're having their property replaced after the abuses the LAPD made.  Full and absolute responsibility must be taken by LAPD, including full medical coverage for damages incurred.  Doesn't the Force have insurance policies for gross incompetence?  Also, assuming that those who fired on the vehicle accidentally missed their target, those guys need to be taken off the street - far too dangerous to the public, and held accountable for this misconduct.

If the LAPD does all of the above then maybe the court will be lenient when the ladies win the lawsuit.  You can also just about guarantee that the court would also demand LAPD pay for emotional distress, and any other pain and suffering that these innocents have endured since this debacle.


You should feel safer.

/feels safer
 
2013-03-13 05:15:45 AM  
Well: They did feel that their lives were in danger. They have now made a bona fide attempt to pay for the damage in a normal way. Anyone know if a field reporter for THHGTTG is working for the LAPD?
 
2013-03-13 05:18:42 AM  

Daedalus27: I am not trying to defend what these officers did. I am trying to place myself in their position at that night after hearing 2 gun fights with police by a suspect they thought was driving down their street to kill the person they were assigned to protect. I can see how that may lead them to overreact and do something entirely stupid and put the lives of those poor women and any other homeowners in the area at risk.


I could, but that's not acceptable of police.

If they were volunteers or random gangbangers, sure. You could fire your shotgun into the air for no reason whatsoever if you're scared according to our vice president. There's no code of conduct there. Still not acceptable, but understandable.

If you're a cop, you should take a bullet from a bad guy being overly cautious before you open fire on the wrong people. Why? Because your job first and foremost is to keep people from being wrongfully assaulted in your city. Wrongfully assaulting people in your city with deadly force is like wrong3 for a cop. If you're not up to the task of "Serve and Protect" you shouldn't be a cop. This is demotion, this isn't redemption, this is career ending. It's everything possible wrong at once.
 
2013-03-13 05:43:03 AM  

doglover: Daedalus27: I am not trying to defend what these officers did. I am trying to place myself in their position at that night after hearing 2 gun fights with police by a suspect they thought was driving down their street to kill the person they were assigned to protect. I can see how that may lead them to overreact and do something entirely stupid and put the lives of those poor women and any other homeowners in the area at risk.

I could, but that's not acceptable of police.

If they were volunteers or random gangbangers, sure. You could fire your shotgun into the air for no reason whatsoever if you're scared according to our vice president. There's no code of conduct there. Still not acceptable, but understandable.

If you're a cop, you should take a bullet from a bad guy being overly cautious before you open fire on the wrong people. Why? Because your job first and foremost is to keep people from being wrongfully assaulted in your city. Wrongfully assaulting people in your city with deadly force is like wrong3 for a cop. If you're not up to the task of "Serve and Protect" you shouldn't be a cop. This is demotion, this isn't redemption, this is career ending. It's everything possible wrong at once.


well, almost... they could have also gone all rape rape on them too. i think that would complete the trifecta.
 
2013-03-13 05:43:31 AM  

Daedalus27: As far as criminal charges, excessive force would be the likely charge, not attempted murder. They were attempting to stop a non-existant, but real threat in their minds and they went too far.


Murder is unjustifiable intentional homicide and the officers in question were attempting an unjustified intentional homicide against unidentified persons presenting no threat whatsoever to the officers in question. It absolutely is attempted murder. Let me put it this way: if the shooters were anyone but cops do you think they would be charged with attempted murder?
 
2013-03-13 05:49:26 AM  
I'm really amazed the LAPD just didn't give them a new truck, pay the medical bills, and call it a day. Instead, they got cute with trying to save money in the process. They could have been done with it already... and now this is going to bite them in the backside when a jury gets the case.
 
2013-03-13 05:51:20 AM  

Pert: Why is this taxed as income and not capital gains? Or don't you do capital taxes over there? Doesn't look like income to me...


IDK what capital gains are in the UK.  Over here, it's the difference between what you pay for a capital asset and what you sell it for.
 
2013-03-13 05:54:08 AM  
"It's really sad for us because we want to help these women move on with their lives, and help them move forward with that, we just can't get past the 1099 issue," LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith said. "The government has to take their bite out of it, I guess."

That's when the LAPD gets their stupid f*cking photo op by paying the income tax on the donation, Lou.  Feigned generosity: it can be done in non-bullet form.
 
2013-03-13 05:56:10 AM  
From TFA: "The pair was driving a dark-colored pickup truck"

It seems, according to the LAPD, there's your problem...
 
2013-03-13 06:01:03 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: doglover: Daedalus27: I am not trying to defend what these officers did. I am trying to place myself in their position at that night after hearing 2 gun fights with police by a suspect they thought was driving down their street to kill the person they were assigned to protect. I can see how that may lead them to overreact and do something entirely stupid and put the lives of those poor women and any other homeowners in the area at risk.

I could, but that's not acceptable of police.

If they were volunteers or random gangbangers, sure. You could fire your shotgun into the air for no reason whatsoever if you're scared according to our vice president. There's no code of conduct there. Still not acceptable, but understandable.

If you're a cop, you should take a bullet from a bad guy being overly cautious before you open fire on the wrong people. Why? Because your job first and foremost is to keep people from being wrongfully assaulted in your city. Wrongfully assaulting people in your city with deadly force is like wrong3 for a cop. If you're not up to the task of "Serve and Protect" you shouldn't be a cop. This is demotion, this isn't redemption, this is career ending. It's everything possible wrong at once.

well, almost... they could have also gone all rape rape on them too. i think that would complete the trifecta.


If they had raped them too, I would say shove a red-hot knife up their assholes, handle first so they cut their fingers off trying to dig it out.
 
2013-03-13 06:01:31 AM  

doglover: If you're a cop, you should take a bullet from a bad guy being overly cautious before you open fire on the wrong people. Why? Because your job first and foremost is to keep people from being wrongfully assaulted in your city.


The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family.  But cops need to be good multitaskers.
 
2013-03-13 06:01:47 AM  
Another option is to let the women shoot up a couple cop cars. That would be fun.
 
2013-03-13 06:05:45 AM  
I guess the IRS would never allow this truck to be a "gift."  It really isn't; the cops and the dealer get something in return.

The lawsuit is the best option for these women.

Maybe the people who made it rain for Karen the bus monitor will take an interest in this bullying incident.
 
2013-03-13 06:13:33 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family.


NO IT'S NOT!

Police aren't soldiers. They are not expendable, but they have rules of engagement that are different than every other possible job out there. The primary job of the police is to protect the citizens and uphold the rule of law. If they want to come home to their families every day, they can go get a different job.

Just because these guys were on a protection detail with a known cop killer on the loose doesn't excuse opening fire on the wrong kind of vehicle with the wrong kind of drivers. They're horrible cops. They're the antithesis of what it means to wear a badge.
 
2013-03-13 06:17:37 AM  
Why were the police outside this persons home guarding them? I thought in Warren-vs-DC the courts established that a police forces duties were not to prevent crime, but to stop crimes in progress and perform investigations to lead to the conviction of the accused.

If the officers in this situation had been following the law and expectations from the courts, they should have waited for the slowly approaching truck to stop, Dorner to jump out and shoot a missle launcher at the house before they sprang into action and burned him on the front lawn.
 
2013-03-13 06:26:22 AM  
scumbags.
 
2013-03-13 06:27:31 AM  
See, if I was the LAPD, I'd have paid for the truck.
Brand new truck,any model, fully loaded, letter of apology, etc...

Because the alternative is these girls sue you in court and get whatever they ask for.
I don't think anyone would deny them a few million for their troubles just to teach the LAPD a lesson.
 
2013-03-13 06:32:44 AM  
Holy Shyt!!

Does the LAPD not have some kind of insurance policy to pay for "accidents"?
 
2013-03-13 06:59:44 AM  

ArkAngel: It's not really the fault of the LAPD tax-wise. There's not much they can do to avoid it. If it had been the settlement of a lawsuit, or the result of an insurance deal, that would be different and the IRS would treat it differently


It is the fault of the LAPD everything-wise.

They randomly shot to women who looking nothing liek the person they were after and were driving a completely different vehicle.

BarkingUnicorn: The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family. But cops need to be good multitaskers


I hadn't realized serve and protect was changed to serve and protect as long as you in no way risk harming yourself. But given cops behavior this changes makes sense.

Daedalus27: They have to live with that decision and face the consequences. I just don't feel attempted murder is justified or even on the table in these circumstances. Excessive force, assault under color of authority, or some charge like that with a hefty civil rights violation civil suit if this can't be settled out of court. I don't think they had any bad intentions when they shot up that vehicle, so a long prison sentence probably doesn't do any one any good (thats not to say some jail time isn't inappropriate). In any event, these officers career in law enforcement is over and the closest they will get to a crime is as a mall security guard


They were trying to killl the people in that vehicle.

I woudl call that a "bad intention".

The police should get no more leeway than the average person when it comes to targeting soemone who is no direct threat.

This shoudl be treated no different than if soem guy out for a walk heard about Dorner and made the same "mistake" these cops did.
 
2013-03-13 07:11:51 AM  
Dear LAPD,

It's much cheaper to pay for the truck and the taxes on the truck (and the taxes on the taxes) than to fight and lose a lawsuit.

--Dog Welder
 
2013-03-13 07:17:36 AM  
This is wrong on so many levels:

The police tried to kill them.
The car should have been replaced or fixed regardless, not sure about the award status of the new truck.  Is that an award for surviving an assault by the LAPD while very innocent.
They still wanted a photo op out of it and would not pay the full tax. Arrogant bastards.

See you in court dickhead.
 
2013-03-13 07:18:37 AM  
Loss: 1 truck.
Gain: 1 truck.
Net income to women: 0
Net income to LAPD: more people thinking that maybe not all of Dorner's ideas were batshiat insane.
 
2013-03-13 07:19:12 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family.


That's the first and foremost job of everyone, even people who have more dangerous jobs.  You know, taxi drivers, commercial fishermen, pizza delivery.
 
2013-03-13 07:21:41 AM  

Karac: not all of Dorner's ideas were batshiat insane.


Dorner was totally insane.

His allegations of corruption and horribleness in the police force were immediately proven accurate by the police themselves.

He's was the Mad Hatter calling the Kettle cracked.
 
2013-03-13 07:27:35 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family.


I don't know.  I think I'd rank not trying to put two innocent women in graves slightly higher on that list.
 
2013-03-13 07:33:00 AM  

doglover: The primary job of the police is to protect the citizens and uphold the rule of law.



Aparently_not_any_more.
 
2013-03-13 07:34:41 AM  
The asinine thing is that the cops who shot at them still have their jobs, had this been ANYONE other than a cop, they would be serving serious time.
 
2013-03-13 07:38:43 AM  
It's really sad for us because we want to help these women move on with their lives, and help them move forward with that, we just can't get past the 1099 issue," LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith said.

Too bad your cops got past the "Maybe we shouldn't shoot up a truck full of old Mexican women who were neither large black men or even driving the same car as the suspect" issue.
 
2013-03-13 07:48:47 AM  

Daedalus27: They are probably still investigating the incident.  Then they have the formal discipline hearing, then any appeals, so it will be a year or more before the entire process concludes.  It isn't attempted murder because they mistakenly thought that they had to open fire on that truck to protect their principle.  They acted in a completely unjustified manner looking back, but I can see in those facts and circumstances, they might have believed it was kill or be killed.  It was wrong, they should be at minimum demoted to meter reader if not fired.  As far as criminal charges, excessive force would be the likely charge, not attempted murder. They were attempting to stop a non-existant, but real threat in their minds and they went too far.
Please, I am not trying to defend what these officers did.  I am trying to place myself in their position at that night after hearing 2 gun fights with police by a suspect they thought was driving down their street to kill the person they were assigned to protect.  I can see how that may lead them to overreact and do something entirely stupid and put the lives of those poor women and any other homeowners in the area at risk.  They have to live with that decision and face the consequences.  I just don't feel attempted murder is justified or even on the table in these circumstances.  Excessive force, assault under color of authority, or some charge like that with a hefty civil rights violation civil suit if this can't be settled out of court.  I don't think they had any bad intentions when they shot up that vehicle, so a long prison sentence probably doesn't do any one any good (thats not to say some jail time isn't inappropriate). In any event, these officers career in law enforcement is over and the closest they will get to a crime is as a mall security guard.

 

What he/she said
 
2013-03-13 07:57:38 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family.


Let his farking family pay for his salary and pension, then, if they're the ones getting the benefit.
 
2013-03-13 08:00:15 AM  

MythDragon: doglover: The primary job of the police is to protect the citizens and uphold the rule of law.


Aparently_not_any_more.


Not being at the personal beck and call of everyone who can fill out a "restraining" order is different from not shooting people without making sure they're armed and dangerous when they're IN YOUR LINE OF SIGHT!

Also, I'm against relying on restraining orders as anything but a formality unless we have some kind of Harry Potter magic paper that will literally chase and restrain a person. If you're in fear of for your safety, find a way to defend it.But while cops are always showing up AFTER the shooting's started, you want to expect that if they do shoot someone, it's at least a decent look alike to the suspect they're aiming for.
 
2013-03-13 08:00:16 AM  
What seems to be absent in this thread is that the LAPD will not, under any circumstances or moments of humanity, directly award these women ANYTHING before the lawsuit. The right thing to do isn't going to get done here.
 
2013-03-13 08:00:58 AM  
Worry not, Citizen, the Police Force of the United States certainly has your best interests in mind.  These women certainly don't need a new truck, as government studies show women are terrible drivers, and therefore we are "Protecting and Serving" by keeping them off the road.  As a matter of fact, it would probably be best to place them in "Protective Custody" in their local women's penitentiary.
 
2013-03-13 08:05:58 AM  
mw2.google.com

0 out of 2 ain't bad.
 
2013-03-13 08:07:52 AM  
A large, (nearly) unaccountable government agency screwing someone over?  Color me shocked.  What's more shocking is LA continues to desire having huge amounts of government control despite their first hand witnessing of government corruption with little recourse by private citizens.
 
2013-03-13 08:10:52 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance. That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.


Wow, I wonder how screwed they'd be if the cops actually managed to kill them, like they were trying to do.
 
2013-03-13 08:18:31 AM  
Is the LAPD stupid?

New truck + paying the tax < Lawsuit

I mean, if it was me, I would have skipped the donation part all together. shiat, they got lit up by the LAPD, being unarmed and the LAPD has more or less admitted they farked up. All the officers involved are riding a desk until futher notice. These women got a hell of a case, and will be able to buy 10 trucks after they win.
 
2013-03-13 08:27:04 AM  

L.D. Ablo: They should sue.  The settlement will be better than this offer.

 
2013-03-13 08:31:59 AM  

azpenguin: I'm really amazed the LAPD just didn't give them a new truck, pay the medical bills, and call it a day. Instead, they got cute with trying to save money in the process. They could have been done with it already... and now this is going to bite them in the backside when a jury gets the case.


This.

They should have gone with "We are very sorry for this extremely regrettable incident and while we understand that you are almost certainly going to sue us we want to do what we can to cause you the least stress and hardship in the meantime. Here is a shiny brand new truck with all the top end options, with all taxes paid. We will also cover any medical bills your insurance is giving you hassle with, with all taxes paid. Until the legal issues are resolved and while you are unable to work due to your injuries we are also going to compensate you for your lost income."

Sure it would be in the tens of thousands for the truck and lost income, but it would go a long way towards making the two women more open to settling and less vengeful in how much they want to settle for if you actually acted like you were really really sorry.
 
2013-03-13 08:36:20 AM  

Publikwerks: Is the LAPD stupid?


Yes
 
2013-03-13 08:39:51 AM  
Don't worry, with the millions they will make in the lawsuit they can buy a fleet of trucks.

/yes the LAPD is stupid
 
2013-03-13 08:43:36 AM  
What ungrateful twunts.  The LAPD practically gave them all the free bullets they could ever want, without ever being asked for such a generous offering.  And now these greedy creatures also expect a free trunk and/or money from the LAPD?  They should be happy with the bullets and stop acting so entitled.
 
2013-03-13 08:56:15 AM  

LadySusan: Dear LAPD,

You shot two women, one 71 years old, who did not look anything like the suspect and who were not driving a vehicle like the suspect. Please immediately pay their medical bills and buy them a new truck. Do not deduct anything and structure the deal so they don't have to pay taxes. Do not pass Go. Also, some of you need to surrender your man cards for shooting 100 rounds and not killing the target...although, thank FSM for your incompetence.

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen


This, this, this.
 
2013-03-13 08:58:31 AM  

GORDON: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance. That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

Wow, I wonder how screwed they'd be if the cops actually managed to kill them, like they were trying to do.


should incompetence (i.e. not being able to aim a gun) really be rewarded with a lighter sentence?
 
2013-03-13 09:02:20 AM  

ArkAngel: It's not really the fault of the LAPD tax-wise. There's not much they can do to avoid it. If it had been the settlement of a lawsuit, or the result of an insurance deal, that would be different and the IRS would treat it differently.


I have a brilliant idea.

The LAPD should have OFFERED TO PAY THE DAMN TAXES, so they can get this buried as quickly as ****ing possible.

Just a thought.
 
2013-03-13 09:03:08 AM  

doglover: MythDragon: doglover: The primary job of the police is to protect the citizens and uphold the rule of law.


Aparently_not_any_more.

Not being at the personal beck and call of everyone who can fill out a "restraining" order is different from not shooting people without making sure they're armed and dangerous when they're IN YOUR LINE OF SIGHT!

Also, I'm against relying on restraining orders as anything but a formality unless we have some kind of Harry Potter magic paper that will literally chase and restrain a person. If you're in fear of for your safety, find a way to defend it.But while cops are always showing up AFTER the shooting's started, you want to expect that if they do shoot someone, it's at least a decent look alike to the suspect they're aiming for.


Well it's not so much that case, but the ruling on it. Unless I am reading it wrong, (and please correct me if I am) the Surpreme Court is stating that the police are not required to protect you at all. Be it a city wide search for one guy whom you simply have a restraining order on, or a vicious dog chasing you, or some guy who is about to kick your ass. Seems to me the ruling allows the police to walk by a vicious breed dog (such as a pug, golden retriever, or husky) as it chews your ass or some guy that you know is going to beat you, slowly walking towards you with a baseball bat since he hasn't actualy commited a crime yet.

Or maybe just from keeping someone from walking into the middle of a shoot out or gas pipe rupture.
 
2013-03-13 09:03:55 AM  

Daedalus27: wickedragon: Wow. Someone should really stick it to the LAPD.

On a lighter note, how come not more LAPD officers are killed by angry mobs?
And how come the eight officers of the law who completely unprovoked opened fire on a random vehicle isn't on trial for attempted murder? "non-field assignment"? That's what they get? "Until the chief decides otherwise"? The fark! Police officers should NOT be treated lighter by the law than other citizens but harsher. They should be out of a job and into a jail cell where they should learn how to behave as proper farking human farking beings for farking farks fark! x|

They are probably still investigating the incident.  Then they have the formal discipline hearing, then any appeals, so it will be a year or more before the entire process concludes.  It isn't attempted murder because they mistakenly thought that they had to open fire on that truck to protect their principle.  They acted in a completely unjustified manner looking back, but I can see in those facts and circumstances, they might have believed it was kill or be killed.  It was wrong, they should be at minimum demoted to meter reader if not fired.  As far as criminal charges, excessive force would be the likely charge, not attempted murder. They were attempting to stop a non-existant, but real threat in their minds and they went too far.

Please, I am not trying to defend what these officers did.  I am trying to place myself in their position at that night after hearing 2 gun fights with police by a suspect they thought was driving down their street to kill the person they were assigned to protect.  I can see how that may lead them to overreact and do something entirely stupid and put the lives of those poor women and any other homeowners in the area at risk.  They have to live with that decision and face the consequences.  I just don't feel attempted murder is justified or even on the table in these circumstances.  Excessive force, assault under color of authority, ...


Overcharging defendants is done by every state and federal DA in the country, every day, in order to promote quick plea deals.

Police defendants should not be immune to the process, since they're part of it.
 
2013-03-13 09:11:57 AM  

MythDragon: Well it's not so much that case, but the ruling on it. Unless I am reading it wrong, (and please correct me if I am) the Surpreme Court is stating that the police are not required to protect you at all. Be it a city wide search for one guy whom you simply have a restraining order on, or a vicious dog chasing you, or some guy who is about to kick your ass. Seems to me the ruling allows the police to walk by a vicious breed dog (such as a pug, golden retriever, or husky) as it chews your ass or some guy that you know is going to beat you, slowly walking towards you with a baseball bat since he hasn't actualy commited a crime yet.



In NYC they are arguing that during a manhunt if you are attacked by the person they are looking for the police watchingt he attack have no duty to help.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/to_serve_but_not_protect_ Q r3ume5gEhMhtg8LvHgzAI">http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/to _serve_but_not_protect_Q r3ume5gEhMhtg8LvHgzAI
 
gja
2013-03-13 09:19:23 AM  

LadySusan: Dear LAPD,

You shot two women, one 71 years old, who did not look anything like the suspect and who were not driving a vehicle like the suspect. Please immediately pay their medical bills and buy them a new truck. Do not deduct anything and structure the deal so they don't have to pay taxes. Do not pass Go. Also, some of you need to surrender your man cards for shooting 100 rounds and not killing the target...although, thank FSM for your incompetence.

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen


Done. Period. This ^^^ is how it SHOULD be done.
 
2013-03-13 09:22:29 AM  
Every officer who opened fire should be charged with (at least) two counts attempted murder.
 
2013-03-13 09:27:36 AM  

liam76: MythDragon: Well it's not so much that case, but the ruling on it. Unless I am reading it wrong, (and please correct me if I am) the Surpreme Court is stating that the police are not required to protect you at all. Be it a city wide search for one guy whom you simply have a restraining order on, or a vicious dog chasing you, or some guy who is about to kick your ass. Seems to me the ruling allows the police to walk by a vicious breed dog (such as a pug, golden retriever, or husky) as it chews your ass or some guy that you know is going to beat you, slowly walking towards you with a baseball bat since he hasn't actualy commited a crime yet.


In NYC they are arguing that during a manhunt if you are attacked by the person they are looking for the police watchingt he attack have no duty to help.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/to_serve_but_not_protect_ Q r3ume5gEhMhtg8LvHgzAI">http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/to _serve_but_not_protect_Q r3ume5gEhMhtg8LvHgzAI


Then why are the police?
I vote we fire the lot of them and make a new system for law enforcement based on ethical values, honour, dignity and accountability.
 
2013-03-13 09:39:29 AM  
I figure that when this is all said and done each of those women will be looking at an 8-figure settlement.

The LAPD will admit no wrongdoing naturally.

And even though this has been rehashed repeatedly - I still can't believe "trained" police officers hit the truck 102 times and they both lived.
 
2013-03-13 09:48:43 AM  

Theaetetus: I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.


Unlike the startling lack of problems inside your ivory tower.
 
2013-03-13 10:03:36 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Theaetetus: The LAPD had $1,000,000 donated by private citizens to kill Dorner. I think they could ask their donors whether they could throw $10k of that towards two elderly women whom they accidentally shot up.

There it is!  Get enough donors so that each kicks in less than $13K and there's no gift tax.


Has anyone mentioned that gifts are not taxable to the receiver, they are taxable to the giver: http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Freque n tly-Asked-Questions-on-Gift-Taxes#1
 
2013-03-13 10:05:13 AM  

fluffy2097: Theaetetus: I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.

Unlike the startling lack of problems inside your ivory tower.


ebony tower? I'd think that'd be both structurally and ethically better than an ivory one. :)
 
2013-03-13 10:07:29 AM  

wickedragon: fluffy2097: Theaetetus: I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.

Unlike the startling lack of problems inside your ivory tower.

ebony tower? I'd think that'd be both structurally and ethically better than an ivory one. :)


Should probably add something about that not being a slight against Theaetetus. Not only do I have any slightest idea about his melanin-levels, or much to say about his views as displayed in this thread, but I did think the ebony tower fitted better as a counterzing (none of those sentences are arguments) to than the ivory one.
 
2013-03-13 10:30:46 AM  
Why do these women deserve anything at all? The police gave them 109 free Speed Holes! You know how long that would take with a pickaxe?
 
2013-03-13 11:36:49 AM  
Target Builder
Sure it would be in the tens of thousands for the truck and lost income, but it would go a long way towards making the two women more open to settling and less vengeful in how much they want to settle for if you actually acted like you were really really sorry.


Ignoring some minimal problems in the court of law, that could be handled by a carefully worded letter, then police would have to admin they made a mistake.

Instead they don't have to admin a mistake and the taxpayer handles the design function, I mean mistake.
 
2013-03-13 11:41:34 AM  

LoneDoggie: 0 out of 2 ain't bad.


Just a grammar error "To protect and serve Police"
Had the quote in the wrong spot.
 
2013-03-13 11:53:27 AM  

doglover: BSABSVR: OK. Now given that that is legally impossible

It's not impossible at all. We have lawmakers who can pass new laws. Get them on it. Also, what is legally possible is pointless if the legal system sucks, and do it ever suck; yessiree.

But if you really want my practical ideas:

1. Fire the cops who shot at this truck. A police officer's job is to defend the public from crime up to the expense of their own life. If you won't hold you fire long enough to even see who or what you're shooting at, you don't deserve to be a cop. End of story, end of careers.

2. Give the women a truck and pay for it out of pocket. No taxpayer money, all cop money. Every officer in the force should be willing to chip in the make these women whole mentally, physically, and financially to show them and us they're not like the farkers who opened fire. Anyone who isn't, also off the force. Good bye.

3. Publicly gut the LAPD and let's see what spills out. . Obviously, something is very, very wrong is going on over there if they shoot two Mexican women in looking for a giant black man. I want every closet turned out and all the skeletons brought to light publicly. Shame, humiliation, and accountability will be byproducts; but mostly the LAPD is broken and it needs fixin' or LA's gonna be the next Detroit and it's painfully obvious we can't trust the LAPD to police themselves or their city properly.


Make it rain pink slips like Pac Man Jones at a strip club in Monopoly land.


You are a stupid person.
 
2013-03-13 11:59:12 AM  

LoneDoggie: [mw2.google.com image 500x375]

0 out of 2 ain't bad.


It's a typo. It is supposed to say "severe."
 
2013-03-13 12:04:46 PM  

BSABSVR: doglover: BSABSVR: OK. Now given that that is legally impossible

It's not impossible at all. We have lawmakers who can pass new laws. Get them on it. Also, what is legally possible is pointless if the legal system sucks, and do it ever suck; yessiree.

But if you really want my practical ideas:

1. Fire the cops who shot at this truck. A police officer's job is to defend the public from crime up to the expense of their own life. If you won't hold you fire long enough to even see who or what you're shooting at, you don't deserve to be a cop. End of story, end of careers.

2. Give the women a truck and pay for it out of pocket. No taxpayer money, all cop money. Every officer in the force should be willing to chip in the make these women whole mentally, physically, and financially to show them and us they're not like the farkers who opened fire. Anyone who isn't, also off the force. Good bye.

3. Publicly gut the LAPD and let's see what spills out. . Obviously, something is very, very wrong is going on over there if they shoot two Mexican women in looking for a giant black man. I want every closet turned out and all the skeletons brought to light publicly. Shame, humiliation, and accountability will be byproducts; but mostly the LAPD is broken and it needs fixin' or LA's gonna be the next Detroit and it's painfully obvious we can't trust the LAPD to police themselves or their city properly.


Make it rain pink slips like Pac Man Jones at a strip club in Monopoly land.

You are a stupid person.


No, not stupid. But I'll agree something is wrong. (S)He doesn't go far enough.
The police officers should also be held legally responsible for all their crimes. Add a year to every sentence for their gross misconduct and abuse of trust put in them by the general public.
Start a comprehensive investigation into the workings of the LAPD on every level, and start it off by firing the chief, the commisioners, assistant chiefs and so forth.
Open up old cases against police officers that were dismissed by the LAPD itself and see what falls out.

Fire every single officer who has ever been found guilty of a violent crime. Fark it, any crime. They are the custodians of the law and the protectors of the people. They should be able to act like it.
And then, after you've moved like a scourge through the policeforce increase the pay for those remaining and start giving them proper training. In ethics.
 
2013-03-13 12:10:40 PM  
BSABSVR: doglover: BSABSVR: OK. Now given that that is legally impossible

It's not impossible at all. We have lawmakers who can pass new laws. Get them on it. Also, what is legally possible is pointless if the legal system sucks, and do it ever suck; yessiree.

But if you really want my practical ideas:

1. Fire the cops who shot at this truck. A police officer's job is to defend the public from crime up to the expense of their own life. If you won't hold you fire long enough to even see who or what you're shooting at, you don't deserve to be a cop. End of story, end of careers.

2. Give the women a truck and pay for it out of pocket. No taxpayer money, all cop money. Every officer in the force should be willing to chip in the make these women whole mentally, physically, and financially to show them and us they're not like the farkers who opened fire. Anyone who isn't, also off the force. Good bye.

3. Publicly gut the LAPD and let's see what spills out. . Obviously, something is very, very wrong is going on over there if they shoot two Mexican women in looking for a giant black man. I want every closet turned out and all the skeletons brought to light publicly. Shame, humiliation, and accountability will be byproducts; but mostly the LAPD is broken and it needs fixin' or LA's gonna be the next Detroit and it's painfully obvious we can't trust the LAPD to police themselves or their city properly.


Make it rain pink slips like Pac Man Jones at a strip club in Monopoly land.


You are a stupid person.


rivaled only by someone with such a total lack of basic empathy they could read it and not think "i wish".

aren't you late for your beat?
 
2013-03-13 12:13:02 PM  

ArkAngel: Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.

It's not really the fault of the LAPD tax-wise. There's not much they can do to avoid it. If it had been the settlement of a lawsuit, or the result of an insurance deal, that would be different and the IRS would treat it differently.


the way they are positioning the deal in a way that does not admit guilt they are trying to absolve themselves of any wrong doing.... farking garbage that should cause a riot in the streets
 
2013-03-13 12:55:08 PM  
They should have finished off the two ladies in the truck, planted guns and drugs on the bodies, then gave a "no comment" as it was related to an ongoing investigation.
 
2013-03-13 01:08:19 PM  

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: They should have finished off the two ladies in the truck, planted guns and drugs on the bodies, then gave a "no comment" as it was related to an ongoing investigation.


They aren't african-americans, you can't simply sprinkle crack on them and hope it goes away. You have to use a few kilos of cocaine and twenty guns apiece pretend they are cartell. That's just to much guns and drugs for them to carry around in their little copmobiles.
 
2013-03-13 01:35:53 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: doglover: If you're a cop, you should take a bullet from a bad guy being overly cautious before you open fire on the wrong people. Why? Because your job first and foremost is to keep people from being wrongfully assaulted in your city.

The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family.  But cops need to be good multitaskers.


No. That's not what they're paid for. The mission comes first, then your personal safety. Always. Ever since Columbine, I've seen  chickenshiat cops dodge danger and issue self-serving statements to excuse why they were unwilling to put themselves in harm's way. You want to be a militarized police force, then run to the sound of the guns, you feckless cowards.
 
2013-03-13 01:36:02 PM  
If I were the two ladies, I'd ask for 102 million dollars.

Then, when they accuse me of making it 'all about the money', I'd call a press conference and say:

It's NOT all about the money. I will gladly drop the lawsuit (except for medical and other expenses) if the following happened:

1) All the cops who shot at me were arrested and tried for attempted murder. The number of counts based on the number of shots they fired.

2) Regardless of the outcome, all the cops involved are fired and can never be hired as police again.

3) No gag order or similar restrictions.

...but the DA and cops will NEVER go for this. Thus, it is THEM making it 'all about the money'.

- of course, I might phrase it slightly better, but you get the point.
 
2013-03-13 01:40:18 PM  
I still say the good guy got burned up in that cabin fire.
 
2013-03-13 02:15:42 PM  
LadySusan:Sincerely,
A concerned citizen


This is the LAPD we're talking about, the most dangerous franchise of the Boyzenblue syndicate in the entire US.  You don't ask them for crap unless you want to end up committing suicide with a bullet to the back of the head.
 
2013-03-13 02:41:35 PM  
F*ck you, LAPD. Just f*ck you.

/LA is a beautiful city, but I think it just skyrocketed to the top of my 'places I will never live' list.
 
2013-03-13 03:26:31 PM  

ReapTheChaos: "Eight officers were involved in the shooting. They were assigned to non-field assignments "until the (police) chief decides otherwise."

There is absolutely no excuse for this. All eight of them belong in jail.


Yes. Bur here in the real world, how it works is:

All eight spend the next couple of months at their desks playing freecell and trolling the LA TImes comment threads while the Department investigates itself. Then, late some Friday afternoon when something else big is in the news, the Police quietly release the results of their investigation, which are that neither these eight nor any other LAPD officer has ever committed a mistake or misconduct, so why should there be any review or change of policy or training? What's more these officers are actually Heroes in Blue who deserve raises and promotions in addition to the commendations we just awarded them. And oh, by the way, ladies, here's your citations for leaving your truck illegally parked in the street while you went to the hospital, and for having broken taillights and a damaged windshield; also, the dry-cleaning bill for our soiled underpants.
 
2013-03-13 03:57:40 PM  

BuckTurgidson: ReapTheChaos: "Eight officers were involved in the shooting. They were assigned to non-field assignments "until the (police) chief decides otherwise."

There is absolutely no excuse for this. All eight of them belong in jail.

Yes. Bur here in the real world, how it works is:

All eight spend the next couple of months at their desks playing freecell and trolling the LA TImes comment threads while the Department investigates itself. Then, late some Friday afternoon when something else big is in the news, the Police quietly release the results of their investigation, which are that neither these eight nor any other LAPD officer has ever committed a mistake or misconduct, so why should there be any review or change of policy or training? What's more these officers are actually Heroes in Blue who deserve raises and promotions in addition to the commendations we just awarded them. And oh, by the way, ladies, here's your citations for leaving your truck illegally parked in the street while you went to the hospital, and for having broken taillights and a damaged windshield; also, the dry-cleaning bill for our soiled underpants.


Years ago, this would have been absurd, now it's just prescient.
 
2013-03-13 06:28:53 PM  
ACAB
 
2013-03-13 06:44:54 PM  
LAPD, call me.

I'll give you lessons on how to actually hit what you are shooting at.

By the by, it'll have to be a cash transaction, your word isn't worth much anymore.
 
2013-03-13 07:05:55 PM  

Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.


I thought it was an inherent assumption of American social ethics that if you don't have a spare $10K lying around, you don't DESERVE justice.
 
2013-03-13 07:05:56 PM  
Color me surprised.  One, those women are Hispanic.  Two, they're probably poor.  Sorry, LAPD is not there to defend you.

Definetly if you are a celebrity, industry muckity muck.  OR, you are from the nice parts of LA.- Hollywood hills, Westwood, near the beaches, parts of Willshire/Miracle Mile.

Otherwise f--k off.
 
2013-03-13 07:11:29 PM  
This doesn't make sense.  The gift giver is the one that pays the tax not the gift receiver.   In this case, the LAPD is to pay the tax.

The LAPD is just being a dick as usual.
 
2013-03-13 08:13:39 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: No. That's not what they're paid for. The mission comes first, then your personal safety. Always. Ever since Columbine, I've seen chickenshiat cops dodge danger and issue self-serving statements to excuse why they were unwilling to put themselves in harm's way. You want to be a militarized police force, then run to the sound of the guns, you feckless cowards.


Actually, that's the policy now since Columbine.  At Columbine, the standard tactic was to surround the building, secure the scene, and then negotiate with the gunmen; they weren't really used to deal with suicidal gunmen committing a mass killing.

Now they realize that most of these types of gunmen commit suicide after being confronted/engaged by the police, so the accepted strategy now is to search and engage the gunmen immediately.
 
2013-03-13 09:05:38 PM  
I don't see how paying somebody for damages is income to them. The only reason there's a 1099 is because LAPD is trying to record it as some sort of prize.
 
gja
2013-03-13 11:00:19 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: If you're a cop, you should take a bullet from a bad guy being overly cautious before you open fire on the wrong people. Why? Because your job first and foremost is to keep people from being wrongfully assaulted in your city.

The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family.  But cops need to be good multitaskers.

No. That's not what they're paid for. The mission comes first, then your personal safety. Always. Ever since Columbine, I've seen  chickenshiat cops dodge danger and issue self-serving statements to excuse why they were unwilling to put themselves in harm's way. You want to be a militarized police force, then run to the sound of the guns, you feckless cowards.


There ARE police that behave this way. They are called MP's!
Wanna see shining examples? Interview Marine MPs, Naval SPs,  Army MPs. Try some shiat with one of those folks.
/protip: make peace with deity of your choice FIRST, you will need it. also be sure your catastrophic healthcare is paid up.

My uncle was a Marine MP. Sweet boiling-oil Jesus, picking some shiat with him had to be beyond braindead.
At 6'2" 240 when he was in service (and not a bit of fat on him) he was just average size in his MP unit.
The bigger guys could get the Marines who stepped out of line to get in the car just by shooting them the stink-eye look.
If you were so under-the-influence or universally idiotic you would actually start an altercation with them you would go back to barracks looking like a Twist-O-Flex watch band that got caught in a V8 powered dough-kneader.

LEO's in civilian-land are not to be given the qualifier of 'para-military' or anything remotely smacking of it.
They are NOT military. Many are poorly trained. Some are in such poor shape they nearly have a myocardial infarction trying to run down a perp.
Their marksmanship is  frequently deplorable.
They frequently show a disregard for their uniform (something I find repugnant, on a personal level since the uni is a symbol and should be kept up).
Some are so discourteous as to be obnoxious. They forget whose monies pay their roles, and to whom they should be accountable.

Then, there are the good cops. Even there I find some distasteful behavior. This 'thin blue line' shiat must end.
The mentality that there is an US(leo) v.THEM(JohnQPublic) is repugnant and outright belligerent.

Look, everyone deserves to go home to family. Even armed service folks. But, when you sign on for one of these jobs you are accepting the inherent and clear possibility you will come to be in harms way at some point in your career. If you don't accept that, you are stupid, willfully obtuse or in terminal denial of irrefutable fact.
 
2013-03-13 11:11:29 PM  

gja: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: If you're a cop, you should take a bullet from a bad guy being overly cautious before you open fire on the wrong people. Why? Because your job first and foremost is to keep people from being wrongfully assaulted in your city.

The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family.  But cops need to be good multitaskers.

No. That's not what they're paid for. The mission comes first, then your personal safety. Always. Ever since Columbine, I've seen  chickenshiat cops dodge danger and issue self-serving statements to excuse why they were unwilling to put themselves in harm's way. You want to be a militarized police force, then run to the sound of the guns, you feckless cowards.

There ARE police that behave this way. They are called MP's!
Wanna see shining examples? Interview Marine MPs, Naval SPs,  Army MPs. Try some shiat with one of those folks.
/protip: make peace with deity of your choice FIRST, you will need it. also be sure your catastrophic healthcare is paid up.

My uncle was a Marine MP. Sweet boiling-oil Jesus, picking some shiat with him had to be beyond braindead.
At 6'2" 240 when he was in service (and not a bit of fat on him) he was just average size in his MP unit.
The bigger guys could get the Marines who stepped out of line to get in the car just by shooting them the stink-eye look.
If you were so under-the-influence or universally idiotic you would actually start an altercation with them you would go back to barracks looking like a Twist-O-Flex watch band that got caught in a V8 powered dough-kneader.

LEO's in civilian-land are not to be given the qualifier of 'para-military' or anything remotely smacking of it.
They are NOT military. Many are poorly trained. Some are in such poor shape they nearly have a myocardial infarction trying to run down a perp.
Their marksmanship is  frequently deplorable.
They frequently show a disregard for their uniform (something I find repugnant, on a per ...


Every word of THIS!

Also, I'd rather be arrested by MPs than civilian police. At least I know I'm gonna get a consistent experience.

/BTW, FARK chose to arbitrarily cut your post in half. Not me.
 
2013-03-14 04:13:15 AM  
To all the Farkers here who don't live in L.A. and don't listen to the public radio here, Charlie Beck, Chief of the LAPD was on the radio a few days after the shooting saying how he was going to make sure these lady's got a new truck, how it was the right thing to do, blah blah blah and was adamant about it.

So yeah, cops lie, what else is new.
 
2013-03-14 09:48:15 AM  

gja: My uncle was a Marine MP. Sweet boiling-oil Jesus, picking some shiat with him had to be beyond braindead.
At 6'2" 240 when he was in service (and not a bit of fat on him) he was just average size in his MP unit.
The bigger guys could get the Marines who stepped out of line to get in the car just by shooting them the stink-eye look.


What is with MPs and Marines?  Every former MP I've known seems to love the idea of slapping Marines around.
 
2013-03-14 11:26:08 AM  
Didn't read all the comments, but did anyone else notice that the woman's truck was either a Toyota Tacoma or a Tundra (thanks, journalism failure!) and the replacement is a Ford?

No wonder she doesn't want the replacement.  If someone shot up my Tacoma and wanted to replace it with a Ford, I'd tell them to go fark themselves.
 
gja
2013-03-14 01:13:47 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: gja: My uncle was a Marine MP. Sweet boiling-oil Jesus, picking some shiat with him had to be beyond braindead.
At 6'2" 240 when he was in service (and not a bit of fat on him) he was just average size in his MP unit.
The bigger guys could get the Marines who stepped out of line to get in the car just by shooting them the stink-eye look.

What is with MPs and Marines?  Every former MP I've known seems to love the idea of slapping Marines around.


My uncle didn't 'like' it. It was his job to go and retrieve Marines who got out of line.
If you wanna see MPs who almost take glee in busting their fellow servicemen, try Shore Patrol (Navy).
They freaking LOVE it.
 
2013-03-14 02:26:18 PM  

gja: Satanic_Hamster: gja: My uncle was a Marine MP. Sweet boiling-oil Jesus, picking some shiat with him had to be beyond braindead.
At 6'2" 240 when he was in service (and not a bit of fat on him) he was just average size in his MP unit.
The bigger guys could get the Marines who stepped out of line to get in the car just by shooting them the stink-eye look.

What is with MPs and Marines?  Every former MP I've known seems to love the idea of slapping Marines around.

My uncle didn't 'like' it. It was his job to go and retrieve Marines who got out of line.
If you wanna see MPs who almost take glee in busting their fellow servicemen, try Shore Patrol (Navy).
They freaking LOVE it.


Having served on both Army bases and a Naval Air Station, I have to agree. SP can be overenthusiastic. I was at Pearl Harbor visiting a kid in the Navy from my hometown, and we went to the EM Club to see the strippers, and there was an Aussie aircraft carrier visiting. A bunch of them were there, and they had a kid with them who was about 12. He was right up front on the strippers runway, and when one of the strippers dropped her pasties, that kid gobbled 'em up. The stripper kicked him in the jaw, and IT WAS ON! My buddy and I got underneath our table, and watched for the next hour as the SP had their hands full just trying to get in the door. Bottles flying, blood everywhere, and total mayhem. Eventually, the SP achieved their goal through sheer numbers.

The cool thing, two weeks later, they came to Barbers Point NAS (the strippers), the club had Nickel Beer Night. You could buy a case of Coors bottles for $1.20, they'd pop the caps on all of them, and you could carry the whole case back to your table. Bad idea. A squid jumped up on the stage and immediately caught a bottle in the face, and we got to see the same scene, complete with giant brawl, minus the Aussies, and performed with civilian rent-a-cops in lieu of the SP. SP was much more efficient and menacing in their role as villains. However a good time was had by all.
 
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