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(KNBC 4 Los Angeles)   The two women whose truck was shot up by the LAPD because they were mistaken for a black guy will not be getting a new truck because: a) the LAPD wanted them to pay income tax, b) the LAPD wanted them to pose for a photo op, c) all of the above   (nbclosangeles.com) divider line 152
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2013-03-13 03:35:02 AM

BSABSVR: OK. Now given that that is legally impossible


It's not impossible at all. We have lawmakers who can pass new laws. Get them on it. Also, what is legally possible is pointless if the legal system sucks, and do it ever suck; yessiree.

But if you really want my practical ideas:

1. Fire the cops who shot at this truck. A police officer's job is to defend the public from crime up to the expense of their own life. If you won't hold you fire long enough to even see who or what you're shooting at, you don't deserve to be a cop. End of story, end of careers.

2. Give the women a truck and pay for it out of pocket. No taxpayer money, all cop money. Every officer in the force should be willing to chip in the make these women whole mentally, physically, and financially to show them and us they're not like the farkers who opened fire. Anyone who isn't, also off the force. Good bye.

3. Publicly gut the LAPD and let's see what spills out. . Obviously, something is very, very wrong is going on over there if they shoot two Mexican women in looking for a giant black man. I want every closet turned out and all the skeletons brought to light publicly. Shame, humiliation, and accountability will be byproducts; but mostly the LAPD is broken and it needs fixin' or LA's gonna be the next Detroit and it's painfully obvious we can't trust the LAPD to police themselves or their city properly.


Make it rain pink slips like Pac Man Jones at a strip club in Monopoly land.
 
2013-03-13 03:35:09 AM
Geez, they should quit complaining.  If they want to drive something big then they should go to Israel and drive a Palistinian only bus.  Um... Oh wait a minute... I think I just did some God Damn thing with this post.

Sorry!  Sorry!
 
2013-03-13 03:54:39 AM
Why is this taxed as income and not capital gains? Or don't you do capital taxes over there? Doesn't look like income to me...
 
2013-03-13 03:55:12 AM
Dear police
i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-13 03:58:50 AM
Isnt anyone going to thank Obama?
 
2013-03-13 04:06:58 AM

Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.



in a thread where literally everyone left and right and center agree about the insanity of the situation,
all but the fark brigade of cop gobblers,
you still somehow how manage to proudly proclaim your status as the self appointed guardian of the oppressed against things only you think exist douchebag badge.
even I'm a little impressed how quick you went from irs deduction to racist.
bravo asshole.


/these chicks were probably doing this as a side gig, not running their own business. they probably take the standard deduction and don't even itemize.
//and if even if they do somehow have a small business delivering the paper I'm doubting that accelerating the depreciation on that nice truck of theirs that the lapd shot full of 102 bullets comes close to the tax on a free 33k for a median income family.
 
2013-03-13 04:11:14 AM

Pert: Why is this taxed as income and not capital gains? Or don't you do capital taxes over there? Doesn't look like income to me...


capital gains must mean something entirely different wherever you are from.
here it means something you already which  appreciates in value and then is sold, so the gain is actually realized, and the gov gets a cut if the type of property sold does not have an exception. cars, art, stocks, houses all get taxed if you sell them for a profit usually.
 
2013-03-13 04:25:46 AM
Wow. Someone should really stick it to the LAPD.

On a lighter note, how come not more LAPD officers are killed by angry mobs?
And how come the eight officers of the law who completely unprovoked opened fire on a random vehicle isn't on trial for attempted murder? "non-field assignment"? That's what they get? "Until the chief decides otherwise"? The fark! Police officers should NOT be treated lighter by the law than other citizens but harsher. They should be out of a job and into a jail cell where they should learn how to behave as proper farking human farking beings for farking farks fark! x|
 
2013-03-13 04:32:54 AM

Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.


I was thinking the same thing right up until the"white boy".

I bet you're that "above the racism type". Thinking because your black ancestors sold your black ancestors to our white not quite ancestors that that means you can be a racist dbag.
 
2013-03-13 04:37:03 AM

mikaloyd: LadySusan: Dear LAPD,

You shot two women, one 71 years old, who did not look anything like the suspect and who were not driving a vehicle like the suspect. Please immediately pay their medical bills and buy them a new truck. Do not deduct anything and structure the deal so they don't have to pay taxes. Do not pass Go. Also, some of you need to surrender your man cards for shooting 100 rounds and not killing the target...although, thank FSM for your incompetence.

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen

Agreed


This.
 
2013-03-13 04:41:11 AM

Fano: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I can't believe whoever handles PR for the LAPD wouldn't have jumped in and fixed this crap before it became a story.  ANYTHING about these two women makes the LAPD look like the sociopathic assholes they are, and they can't expose that fact to the public if at all possible.

Why not? They promoted the guys involved in the Rodney King beating so it's pretty clear they don't care what the public thinks about anything.


Rodney king actually was on pcp. He also died with it in his system. Can't add link from phone sorry.
 
2013-03-13 04:44:25 AM

Fano: Let me be real clear about my last statement: officers involved in the Rodney King beating, no matter what you may think about it led to the LA riots, got PROMOTED, not sent to Siberia forever, or whatever crap job they can come up with. Even if you are good at your job, if you start the bubonic plague, you don't get to move up, ever.


I think some people being driven to loot not riot has less to do with injustice than you might think.
 
2013-03-13 04:45:07 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance. That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.


They should just shut the fark up. Some people are never happy.
 
2013-03-13 05:07:00 AM
Of course the ladies should sue, but the LAPD should also be attempting to provide recompense.  Not as a gift - they are not being rewarded for being innocent - they're having their property replaced after the abuses the LAPD made.  Full and absolute responsibility must be taken by LAPD, including full medical coverage for damages incurred.  Doesn't the Force have insurance policies for gross incompetence?  Also, assuming that those who fired on the vehicle accidentally missed their target, those guys need to be taken off the street - far too dangerous to the public, and held accountable for this misconduct.

If the LAPD does all of the above then maybe the court will be lenient when the ladies win the lawsuit.  You can also just about guarantee that the court would also demand LAPD pay for emotional distress, and any other pain and suffering that these innocents have endured since this debacle.
 
2013-03-13 05:09:47 AM

wickedragon: Wow. Someone should really stick it to the LAPD.

On a lighter note, how come not more LAPD officers are killed by angry mobs?
And how come the eight officers of the law who completely unprovoked opened fire on a random vehicle isn't on trial for attempted murder? "non-field assignment"? That's what they get? "Until the chief decides otherwise"? The fark! Police officers should NOT be treated lighter by the law than other citizens but harsher. They should be out of a job and into a jail cell where they should learn how to behave as proper farking human farking beings for farking farks fark! x|


They are probably still investigating the incident.  Then they have the formal discipline hearing, then any appeals, so it will be a year or more before the entire process concludes.  It isn't attempted murder because they mistakenly thought that they had to open fire on that truck to protect their principle.  They acted in a completely unjustified manner looking back, but I can see in those facts and circumstances, they might have believed it was kill or be killed.  It was wrong, they should be at minimum demoted to meter reader if not fired.  As far as criminal charges, excessive force would be the likely charge, not attempted murder. They were attempting to stop a non-existant, but real threat in their minds and they went too far.

Please, I am not trying to defend what these officers did.  I am trying to place myself in their position at that night after hearing 2 gun fights with police by a suspect they thought was driving down their street to kill the person they were assigned to protect.  I can see how that may lead them to overreact and do something entirely stupid and put the lives of those poor women and any other homeowners in the area at risk.  They have to live with that decision and face the consequences.  I just don't feel attempted murder is justified or even on the table in these circumstances.  Excessive force, assault under color of authority, or some charge like that with a hefty civil rights violation civil suit if this can't be settled out of court.  I don't think they had any bad intentions when they shot up that vehicle, so a long prison sentence probably doesn't do any one any good (thats not to say some jail time isn't inappropriate). In any event, these officers career in law enforcement is over and the closest they will get to a crime is as a mall security guard.
 
2013-03-13 05:10:06 AM

awshat: Of course the ladies should sue, but the LAPD should also be attempting to provide recompense.  Not as a gift - they are not being rewarded for being innocent - they're having their property replaced after the abuses the LAPD made.  Full and absolute responsibility must be taken by LAPD, including full medical coverage for damages incurred.  Doesn't the Force have insurance policies for gross incompetence?  Also, assuming that those who fired on the vehicle accidentally missed their target, those guys need to be taken off the street - far too dangerous to the public, and held accountable for this misconduct.

If the LAPD does all of the above then maybe the court will be lenient when the ladies win the lawsuit.  You can also just about guarantee that the court would also demand LAPD pay for emotional distress, and any other pain and suffering that these innocents have endured since this debacle.


You should feel safer.

/feels safer
 
2013-03-13 05:15:45 AM
Well: They did feel that their lives were in danger. They have now made a bona fide attempt to pay for the damage in a normal way. Anyone know if a field reporter for THHGTTG is working for the LAPD?
 
2013-03-13 05:18:42 AM

Daedalus27: I am not trying to defend what these officers did. I am trying to place myself in their position at that night after hearing 2 gun fights with police by a suspect they thought was driving down their street to kill the person they were assigned to protect. I can see how that may lead them to overreact and do something entirely stupid and put the lives of those poor women and any other homeowners in the area at risk.


I could, but that's not acceptable of police.

If they were volunteers or random gangbangers, sure. You could fire your shotgun into the air for no reason whatsoever if you're scared according to our vice president. There's no code of conduct there. Still not acceptable, but understandable.

If you're a cop, you should take a bullet from a bad guy being overly cautious before you open fire on the wrong people. Why? Because your job first and foremost is to keep people from being wrongfully assaulted in your city. Wrongfully assaulting people in your city with deadly force is like wrong3 for a cop. If you're not up to the task of "Serve and Protect" you shouldn't be a cop. This is demotion, this isn't redemption, this is career ending. It's everything possible wrong at once.
 
2013-03-13 05:43:03 AM

doglover: Daedalus27: I am not trying to defend what these officers did. I am trying to place myself in their position at that night after hearing 2 gun fights with police by a suspect they thought was driving down their street to kill the person they were assigned to protect. I can see how that may lead them to overreact and do something entirely stupid and put the lives of those poor women and any other homeowners in the area at risk.

I could, but that's not acceptable of police.

If they were volunteers or random gangbangers, sure. You could fire your shotgun into the air for no reason whatsoever if you're scared according to our vice president. There's no code of conduct there. Still not acceptable, but understandable.

If you're a cop, you should take a bullet from a bad guy being overly cautious before you open fire on the wrong people. Why? Because your job first and foremost is to keep people from being wrongfully assaulted in your city. Wrongfully assaulting people in your city with deadly force is like wrong3 for a cop. If you're not up to the task of "Serve and Protect" you shouldn't be a cop. This is demotion, this isn't redemption, this is career ending. It's everything possible wrong at once.


well, almost... they could have also gone all rape rape on them too. i think that would complete the trifecta.
 
2013-03-13 05:43:31 AM

Daedalus27: As far as criminal charges, excessive force would be the likely charge, not attempted murder. They were attempting to stop a non-existant, but real threat in their minds and they went too far.


Murder is unjustifiable intentional homicide and the officers in question were attempting an unjustified intentional homicide against unidentified persons presenting no threat whatsoever to the officers in question. It absolutely is attempted murder. Let me put it this way: if the shooters were anyone but cops do you think they would be charged with attempted murder?
 
2013-03-13 05:49:26 AM
I'm really amazed the LAPD just didn't give them a new truck, pay the medical bills, and call it a day. Instead, they got cute with trying to save money in the process. They could have been done with it already... and now this is going to bite them in the backside when a jury gets the case.
 
2013-03-13 05:51:20 AM

Pert: Why is this taxed as income and not capital gains? Or don't you do capital taxes over there? Doesn't look like income to me...


IDK what capital gains are in the UK.  Over here, it's the difference between what you pay for a capital asset and what you sell it for.
 
2013-03-13 05:54:08 AM
"It's really sad for us because we want to help these women move on with their lives, and help them move forward with that, we just can't get past the 1099 issue," LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith said. "The government has to take their bite out of it, I guess."

That's when the LAPD gets their stupid f*cking photo op by paying the income tax on the donation, Lou.  Feigned generosity: it can be done in non-bullet form.
 
2013-03-13 05:56:10 AM
From TFA: "The pair was driving a dark-colored pickup truck"

It seems, according to the LAPD, there's your problem...
 
2013-03-13 06:01:03 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: doglover: Daedalus27: I am not trying to defend what these officers did. I am trying to place myself in their position at that night after hearing 2 gun fights with police by a suspect they thought was driving down their street to kill the person they were assigned to protect. I can see how that may lead them to overreact and do something entirely stupid and put the lives of those poor women and any other homeowners in the area at risk.

I could, but that's not acceptable of police.

If they were volunteers or random gangbangers, sure. You could fire your shotgun into the air for no reason whatsoever if you're scared according to our vice president. There's no code of conduct there. Still not acceptable, but understandable.

If you're a cop, you should take a bullet from a bad guy being overly cautious before you open fire on the wrong people. Why? Because your job first and foremost is to keep people from being wrongfully assaulted in your city. Wrongfully assaulting people in your city with deadly force is like wrong3 for a cop. If you're not up to the task of "Serve and Protect" you shouldn't be a cop. This is demotion, this isn't redemption, this is career ending. It's everything possible wrong at once.

well, almost... they could have also gone all rape rape on them too. i think that would complete the trifecta.


If they had raped them too, I would say shove a red-hot knife up their assholes, handle first so they cut their fingers off trying to dig it out.
 
2013-03-13 06:01:31 AM

doglover: If you're a cop, you should take a bullet from a bad guy being overly cautious before you open fire on the wrong people. Why? Because your job first and foremost is to keep people from being wrongfully assaulted in your city.


The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family.  But cops need to be good multitaskers.
 
2013-03-13 06:01:47 AM
Another option is to let the women shoot up a couple cop cars. That would be fun.
 
2013-03-13 06:05:45 AM
I guess the IRS would never allow this truck to be a "gift."  It really isn't; the cops and the dealer get something in return.

The lawsuit is the best option for these women.

Maybe the people who made it rain for Karen the bus monitor will take an interest in this bullying incident.
 
2013-03-13 06:13:33 AM

BarkingUnicorn: The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family.


NO IT'S NOT!

Police aren't soldiers. They are not expendable, but they have rules of engagement that are different than every other possible job out there. The primary job of the police is to protect the citizens and uphold the rule of law. If they want to come home to their families every day, they can go get a different job.

Just because these guys were on a protection detail with a known cop killer on the loose doesn't excuse opening fire on the wrong kind of vehicle with the wrong kind of drivers. They're horrible cops. They're the antithesis of what it means to wear a badge.
 
2013-03-13 06:17:37 AM
Why were the police outside this persons home guarding them? I thought in Warren-vs-DC the courts established that a police forces duties were not to prevent crime, but to stop crimes in progress and perform investigations to lead to the conviction of the accused.

If the officers in this situation had been following the law and expectations from the courts, they should have waited for the slowly approaching truck to stop, Dorner to jump out and shoot a missle launcher at the house before they sprang into action and burned him on the front lawn.
 
2013-03-13 06:26:22 AM
scumbags.
 
2013-03-13 06:27:31 AM
See, if I was the LAPD, I'd have paid for the truck.
Brand new truck,any model, fully loaded, letter of apology, etc...

Because the alternative is these girls sue you in court and get whatever they ask for.
I don't think anyone would deny them a few million for their troubles just to teach the LAPD a lesson.
 
2013-03-13 06:32:44 AM
Holy Shyt!!

Does the LAPD not have some kind of insurance policy to pay for "accidents"?
 
2013-03-13 06:59:44 AM

ArkAngel: It's not really the fault of the LAPD tax-wise. There's not much they can do to avoid it. If it had been the settlement of a lawsuit, or the result of an insurance deal, that would be different and the IRS would treat it differently


It is the fault of the LAPD everything-wise.

They randomly shot to women who looking nothing liek the person they were after and were driving a completely different vehicle.

BarkingUnicorn: The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family. But cops need to be good multitaskers


I hadn't realized serve and protect was changed to serve and protect as long as you in no way risk harming yourself. But given cops behavior this changes makes sense.

Daedalus27: They have to live with that decision and face the consequences. I just don't feel attempted murder is justified or even on the table in these circumstances. Excessive force, assault under color of authority, or some charge like that with a hefty civil rights violation civil suit if this can't be settled out of court. I don't think they had any bad intentions when they shot up that vehicle, so a long prison sentence probably doesn't do any one any good (thats not to say some jail time isn't inappropriate). In any event, these officers career in law enforcement is over and the closest they will get to a crime is as a mall security guard


They were trying to killl the people in that vehicle.

I woudl call that a "bad intention".

The police should get no more leeway than the average person when it comes to targeting soemone who is no direct threat.

This shoudl be treated no different than if soem guy out for a walk heard about Dorner and made the same "mistake" these cops did.
 
2013-03-13 07:11:51 AM
Dear LAPD,

It's much cheaper to pay for the truck and the taxes on the truck (and the taxes on the taxes) than to fight and lose a lawsuit.

--Dog Welder
 
2013-03-13 07:17:36 AM
This is wrong on so many levels:

The police tried to kill them.
The car should have been replaced or fixed regardless, not sure about the award status of the new truck.  Is that an award for surviving an assault by the LAPD while very innocent.
They still wanted a photo op out of it and would not pay the full tax. Arrogant bastards.

See you in court dickhead.
 
2013-03-13 07:18:37 AM
Loss: 1 truck.
Gain: 1 truck.
Net income to women: 0
Net income to LAPD: more people thinking that maybe not all of Dorner's ideas were batshiat insane.
 
2013-03-13 07:19:12 AM

BarkingUnicorn: The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family.


That's the first and foremost job of everyone, even people who have more dangerous jobs.  You know, taxi drivers, commercial fishermen, pizza delivery.
 
2013-03-13 07:21:41 AM

Karac: not all of Dorner's ideas were batshiat insane.


Dorner was totally insane.

His allegations of corruption and horribleness in the police force were immediately proven accurate by the police themselves.

He's was the Mad Hatter calling the Kettle cracked.
 
2013-03-13 07:27:35 AM

BarkingUnicorn: The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family.


I don't know.  I think I'd rank not trying to put two innocent women in graves slightly higher on that list.
 
2013-03-13 07:33:00 AM

doglover: The primary job of the police is to protect the citizens and uphold the rule of law.



Aparently_not_any_more.
 
2013-03-13 07:34:41 AM
The asinine thing is that the cops who shot at them still have their jobs, had this been ANYONE other than a cop, they would be serving serious time.
 
2013-03-13 07:38:43 AM
It's really sad for us because we want to help these women move on with their lives, and help them move forward with that, we just can't get past the 1099 issue," LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith said.

Too bad your cops got past the "Maybe we shouldn't shoot up a truck full of old Mexican women who were neither large black men or even driving the same car as the suspect" issue.
 
2013-03-13 07:48:47 AM

Daedalus27: They are probably still investigating the incident.  Then they have the formal discipline hearing, then any appeals, so it will be a year or more before the entire process concludes.  It isn't attempted murder because they mistakenly thought that they had to open fire on that truck to protect their principle.  They acted in a completely unjustified manner looking back, but I can see in those facts and circumstances, they might have believed it was kill or be killed.  It was wrong, they should be at minimum demoted to meter reader if not fired.  As far as criminal charges, excessive force would be the likely charge, not attempted murder. They were attempting to stop a non-existant, but real threat in their minds and they went too far.
Please, I am not trying to defend what these officers did.  I am trying to place myself in their position at that night after hearing 2 gun fights with police by a suspect they thought was driving down their street to kill the person they were assigned to protect.  I can see how that may lead them to overreact and do something entirely stupid and put the lives of those poor women and any other homeowners in the area at risk.  They have to live with that decision and face the consequences.  I just don't feel attempted murder is justified or even on the table in these circumstances.  Excessive force, assault under color of authority, or some charge like that with a hefty civil rights violation civil suit if this can't be settled out of court.  I don't think they had any bad intentions when they shot up that vehicle, so a long prison sentence probably doesn't do any one any good (thats not to say some jail time isn't inappropriate). In any event, these officers career in law enforcement is over and the closest they will get to a crime is as a mall security guard.

 

What he/she said
 
2013-03-13 07:57:38 AM

BarkingUnicorn: The first and foremost job of every cop is to come home to his family.


Let his farking family pay for his salary and pension, then, if they're the ones getting the benefit.
 
2013-03-13 08:00:15 AM

MythDragon: doglover: The primary job of the police is to protect the citizens and uphold the rule of law.


Aparently_not_any_more.


Not being at the personal beck and call of everyone who can fill out a "restraining" order is different from not shooting people without making sure they're armed and dangerous when they're IN YOUR LINE OF SIGHT!

Also, I'm against relying on restraining orders as anything but a formality unless we have some kind of Harry Potter magic paper that will literally chase and restrain a person. If you're in fear of for your safety, find a way to defend it.But while cops are always showing up AFTER the shooting's started, you want to expect that if they do shoot someone, it's at least a decent look alike to the suspect they're aiming for.
 
2013-03-13 08:00:16 AM
What seems to be absent in this thread is that the LAPD will not, under any circumstances or moments of humanity, directly award these women ANYTHING before the lawsuit. The right thing to do isn't going to get done here.
 
2013-03-13 08:00:58 AM
Worry not, Citizen, the Police Force of the United States certainly has your best interests in mind.  These women certainly don't need a new truck, as government studies show women are terrible drivers, and therefore we are "Protecting and Serving" by keeping them off the road.  As a matter of fact, it would probably be best to place them in "Protective Custody" in their local women's penitentiary.
 
2013-03-13 08:05:58 AM
mw2.google.com

0 out of 2 ain't bad.
 
2013-03-13 08:07:52 AM
A large, (nearly) unaccountable government agency screwing someone over?  Color me shocked.  What's more shocking is LA continues to desire having huge amounts of government control despite their first hand witnessing of government corruption with little recourse by private citizens.
 
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