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(KNBC 4 Los Angeles)   The two women whose truck was shot up by the LAPD because they were mistaken for a black guy will not be getting a new truck because: a) the LAPD wanted them to pay income tax, b) the LAPD wanted them to pose for a photo op, c) all of the above   (nbclosangeles.com) divider line 151
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2013-03-12 10:56:22 PM
Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance. That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.
 
2013-03-13 12:13:42 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.

That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed
.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.
 
2013-03-13 12:26:52 AM
Dear LAPD,

You shot two women, one 71 years old, who did not look anything like the suspect and who were not driving a vehicle like the suspect. Please immediately pay their medical bills and buy them a new truck. Do not deduct anything and structure the deal so they don't have to pay taxes. Do not pass Go. Also, some of you need to surrender your man cards for shooting 100 rounds and not killing the target...although, thank FSM for your incompetence.

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen
 
2013-03-13 12:27:26 AM

Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.


It's not really the fault of the LAPD tax-wise. There's not much they can do to avoid it. If it had been the settlement of a lawsuit, or the result of an insurance deal, that would be different and the IRS would treat it differently.
 
2013-03-13 12:28:07 AM
I tend to see the side of law enforcement in most cases. In this one, I pretty much have nothing but a hearty "FU" for LAPD.  They got trigger happy, blew the crap out of an innocent bystander's vehicle, damn near killed them and then just ask a dealer to handle it for them?  fark that.  Ask them exactly what they want, go put the effort in finding it and write a check on the spot.

Handing it over to a dealer to "figure it out" was a dick move.  You shot them up, you pay for it.  That's the rules us citizens have when we fark up - why doesn't the same thing apply to the police?

As far as the tax issue goes, I am pretty sure the government could figure it out, but the fact is the just don't want to - which is the trouble with it anyway - it lives now to feed its own bureaucracy, not serve the citizens.
 
2013-03-13 12:30:26 AM
They should sue.  The settlement will be better than this offer.
 
2013-03-13 12:30:59 AM
"Gifts" are taxable so they are responsible for the  taxes, also  the truck was not a settlement for injury etc.  but a peace offering for being Barney Fifes
PS the IRS takes payments as little as 50.00 a month until they  settle for that sweet, sweet lawsuit money they will be getting
 
2013-03-13 12:35:13 AM
I have read several other versions of this story. Seems like the LAPD had nothing to do with the actual deal on the new truck. They don't seem to be at blame for that.
The 1099 is an IRS deal, can they get around that? Even if someone else did pick up that tab, anyway you accept it, it still counts as a gift. That's a fed deal, they don't care.
 
2013-03-13 12:36:55 AM

ArkAngel: Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.

It's not really the fault of the LAPD tax-wise. There's not much they can do to avoid it.


The LAPD had $1,000,000 donated by private citizens to kill Dorner. I think they could ask their donors whether they could throw $10k of that towards two elderly women whom they accidentally shot up.
 
2013-03-13 12:46:20 AM

Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.


I'm not unsympathetic.  I just didn't see any other options.  HuffPo's article showed one:  LAPD donates truck, pays gift tax, ladies get free truck.  That's how it should go.

AzLefty:  the giver pays gift tax, not the recipient.
 
2013-03-13 12:48:16 AM

DownDaRiver: I have read several other versions of this story. Seems like the LAPD had nothing to do with the actual deal on the new truck. They don't seem to be at blame for that.
The 1099 is an IRS deal, can they get around that? Even if someone else did pick up that tab, anyway you accept it, it still counts as a gift. That's a fed deal, they don't care.


The LAPD prevailed upon the dealer to donate a truck.  He decided to make it "prize" instead, which gets him out of paying gift tax and makes the truck taxable to the victims.

LAPD should buying the truck, donating it, and paying the gift tax.
 
2013-03-13 12:51:08 AM

BarkingUnicorn: DownDaRiver: I have read several other versions of this story. Seems like the LAPD had nothing to do with the actual deal on the new truck. They don't seem to be at blame for that.
The 1099 is an IRS deal, can they get around that? Even if someone else did pick up that tab, anyway you accept it, it still counts as a gift. That's a fed deal, they don't care.

The LAPD prevailed upon the dealer to donate a truck.  He decided to make it "prize" instead, which gets him out of paying gift tax and makes the truck taxable to the victims.

LAPD should buying the truck, donating it, and paying the gift tax.


Totes. And then the two women should smile thankfully and proceed with their lawsuit and try to get federal charges for attempted murder.
 
2013-03-13 12:51:45 AM

Azlefty: "Gifts" are taxable so they are responsible for the  taxes, also  the truck was not a settlement for injury etc.  but a peace offering for being Barney Fifes
PS the IRS takes payments as little as 50.00 a month until they  settle for that sweet, sweet lawsuit money they will be getting


Gifts are taxable to the giftor, not the giftee.
 
2013-03-13 12:53:47 AM

DarkLancelot: Azlefty: "Gifts" are taxable so they are responsible for the  taxes, also  the truck was not a settlement for injury etc.  but a peace offering for being Barney Fifes
PS the IRS takes payments as little as 50.00 a month until they  settle for that sweet, sweet lawsuit money they will be getting

Gifts are taxable to the giftor, not the giftee.


And only the amount over $13K.  Cops would owe 20% of $20K, roughly.
 
2013-03-13 01:03:10 AM

Theaetetus: The LAPD had $1,000,000 donated by private citizens to kill Dorner. I think they could ask their donors whether they could throw $10k of that towards two elderly women whom they accidentally shot up.


There it is!  Get enough donors so that each kicks in less than $13K and there's no gift tax.
 
2013-03-13 01:31:29 AM

Theaetetus: ArkAngel: Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.

It's not really the fault of the LAPD tax-wise. There's not much they can do to avoid it.

The LAPD had $1,000,000 donated by private citizens to kill Dorner. I think they could ask their donors whether they could throw $10k of that towards two elderly women whom they accidentally shot up.


It would still be a taxable gift
 
2013-03-13 01:40:22 AM
LAPD needs to settle ASAP. These women deserve a lot more than just a new truck.

But nothing is stopping them from donating a new truck + the taxes on the new truck + the taxes on the taxes on the new truck
 
2013-03-13 02:14:47 AM

Krieghund: LAPD needs to settle ASAP. These women deserve a lot more than just a new truck.

But nothing is stopping them from donating a new truck + the taxes on the new truck + the taxes on the taxes on the new truck


You would think their local Toyota dealer might be telling them that.
 
2013-03-13 02:26:59 AM

Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Seems the 1099 was the deal-breaker, not the photo opp.

Take the 1099, deduct the lost truck, pay IRS on the balance.That's the simple, fast way.

Or spend a few years in court suing for personal physical and emotional damages.  Awards for those things are not taxed.

I'm going to bet that a middle-aged and elderly woman who were out delivering newspapers at 4 in the morning and now have probably close to $100k in medical bills due to being shot several times probably don't have a spare $10k handy for the income tax payment on a new truck.

And I'm not going to call you a douchebag for overlooking that fact. I'm just going to say that there are more problems in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your privileged world, white boy.




Glad you threw in the racist slant at the end. Nice touch.
 
2013-03-13 02:28:15 AM
The cops who shot these women should have ALL their assets seized. ALL of them, especially pension.

The women should get the option of taking possession of those assets.

ta-da
 
2013-03-13 02:29:50 AM

LadySusan: Dear LAPD,

You shot two women, one 71 years old, who did not look anything like the suspect and who were not driving a vehicle like the suspect. Please immediately pay their medical bills and buy them a new truck. Do not deduct anything and structure the deal so they don't have to pay taxes. Do not pass Go. Also, some of you need to surrender your man cards for shooting 100 rounds and not killing the target...although, thank FSM for your incompetence.

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen


Agreed
 
2013-03-13 02:31:02 AM
BarkingUnicorn:
AzLefty:  the giver pays gift tax, not the recipient.

That's what I thought.  Isn't there also an exemption for something like $10,000? It's also why Oprah called those cars she gave away 'prizes' so the people who got them had to pay the taxes on them.
 
2013-03-13 02:32:23 AM

MNguy: BarkingUnicorn:
AzLefty:  the giver pays gift tax, not the recipient.

That's what I thought.  Isn't there also an exemption for something like $10,000? It's also why Oprah called those cars she gave away 'prizes' so the people who got them had to pay the taxes on them.


Well, I see I'm being redundant.
 
Ehh
2013-03-13 02:32:26 AM

LadySusan: Dear LAPD,

You shot two women, one 71 years old, who did not look anything like the suspect and who were not driving a vehicle like the suspect. Please immediately pay their medical bills and buy them a new truck. Do not deduct anything and structure the deal so they don't have to pay taxes. Do not pass Go. Also, some of you need to surrender your man cards for shooting 100 rounds and not killing the target...although, thank FSM for your incompetence.

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen


Done.
 
2013-03-13 02:34:50 AM
I can't believe whoever handles PR for the LAPD wouldn't have jumped in and fixed this crap before it became a story.  ANYTHING about these two women makes the LAPD look like the sociopathic assholes they are, and they can't expose that fact to the public if at all possible.
 
2013-03-13 02:36:54 AM

LadySusan: Dear LAPD,

You shot two women, one 71 years old, who did not look anything like the suspect and who were not driving a vehicle like the suspect. Please immediately pay their medical bills and buy them a new truck. Do not deduct anything and structure the deal so they don't have to pay taxes. Do not pass Go. Also, some of you need to surrender your man cards for shooting 100 rounds and not killing the target...although, thank FSM for your incompetence.

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen


THIS
 
2013-03-13 02:37:08 AM

MNguy: BarkingUnicorn:
AzLefty:  the giver pays gift tax, not the recipient.

That's what I thought.  Isn't there also an exemption for something like $10,000? It's also why Oprah called those cars she gave away 'prizes' so the people who got them had to pay the taxes on them.


Oprah didn't give them away, GM did.

And if anybody ever thought that the LAPD would just give the victims of their shooting spree anything without a court order to do so are just dumb. If these victims are smart, they would refuse any help that comes their way, because the LAPD lawyers will use it against them in the settlement talks.
 
2013-03-13 02:39:49 AM
Just think, this mess would never have happened if those two women had been armed and able to defend themselves while they waited for the police to protect them.
 
2013-03-13 02:39:55 AM

ongbok: MNguy: BarkingUnicorn:
AzLefty:  the giver pays gift tax, not the recipient.

That's what I thought.  Isn't there also an exemption for something like $10,000? It's also why Oprah called those cars she gave away 'prizes' so the people who got them had to pay the taxes on them.

Oprah didn't give them away, GM did.

And if anybody ever thought that the LAPD would just give the victims of their shooting spree anything without a court order to do so are just dumb. If these victims are smart, they would refuse any help that comes their way, because the LAPD lawyers will use it against them in the settlement talks.


The settlement? Any shyster should be willing to work pro boner.
 
2013-03-13 02:40:53 AM
me texan: Handing it over to a dealer to "figure it out" was a dick move.  You shot them up, you pay for it.  That's the rules us citizens have when we fark up - why doesn't the same thing apply to the police?


Same reason we're paying hundreds of politicians to sit on their thumbs.
 
2013-03-13 02:42:23 AM
ongbok:

Oprah didn't give them away, GM did.

I can't find anything that confirms that.  Do you have a link?
 
2013-03-13 02:42:27 AM
"Eight officers were involved in the shooting. They were assigned to non-field assignments "until the (police) chief decides otherwise."

There is absolutely no excuse for this. All eight of them belong in jail.
 
2013-03-13 02:45:38 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I can't believe whoever handles PR for the LAPD wouldn't have jumped in and fixed this crap before it became a story.  ANYTHING about these two women makes the LAPD look like the sociopathic assholes they are, and they can't expose that fact to the public if at all possible.


Why not? They promoted the guys involved in the Rodney King beating so it's pretty clear they don't care what the public thinks about anything.
 
2013-03-13 02:47:49 AM
 ongbok:

Nevermind.  They were donated by Pontiac.
 
2013-03-13 02:50:53 AM
This is the way it is because the LAPD ARE TOP-NOTCH DOUCHES.

Whatever thought I had of moving a buisness to that region is toast - and this ain't an ITG moment - I dont feel safe there, and neither should you. Attempted Murder, medical bills, now, less than a "pardon, maam", before they burned a man alive rather than deal with due process.

I hope they choke on their own rusty pistols for terrorizing LA. Uniforms just take that terrorism and call it "paid adminstrative leave"

i've spoken up before about how I dont care about Dorner a bit. I care about the police state meant to protect hollywood elites (who make their money from the very society they want to seperate from) deciding that anyone on the "outside" can be burned alive, jailed for less-than-whims (my personal experience), anything.. you're not important to them because you're not really "people".
 
2013-03-13 02:53:36 AM
Let me be real clear about my last statement: officers involved in the Rodney King beating, no matter what you may think about it led to the LA riots, got PROMOTED, not sent to Siberia forever, or whatever crap job they can come up with. Even if you are good at your job, if you start the bubonic plague, you don't get to move up, ever.
 
2013-03-13 02:57:35 AM
There's outrage then there's this bull shiat.
 
2013-03-13 02:58:09 AM

MNguy: ongbok:

Oprah didn't give them away, GM did.

I can't find anything that confirms that.  Do you have a link?


Pontiac agreed to pay most of the local charges, including state sales tax and licensing fees.

There have been other articles that explained the exact details, but that doesn't sound like Oprah bought and gave away the cars. It sounds more like an attempt to advertise a line of cars.
 
2013-03-13 03:07:56 AM

L.D. Ablo: They should sue.  The settlement will be better than this offer.


Looks like they're going to:

Jonas plans on filing a government claim, which is a precursor to any lawsuit filed against a government agency.

Good. Sue those farkers back to the stone age.
 
2013-03-13 03:10:35 AM

doglover: The cops who shot these women should have ALL their assets seized. ALL of them, especially pension.

The women should get the option of taking possession of those assets.

ta-da


OK. Now given that that is legally impossible, do you have any ideas that are actually feasible, or just angry-imbecile-at-the-bar style populism?
 
2013-03-13 03:19:16 AM
I am sure there will be more than enough for trucks after they win a lawsuit.
 
2013-03-13 03:19:30 AM

BSABSVR: doglover: The cops who shot these women should have ALL their assets seized. ALL of them, especially pension.

The women should get the option of taking possession of those assets.

ta-da

OK. Now given that that is legally impossible, do you have any ideas that are actually feasible, or just angry-imbecile-at-the-bar style populism?


perhaps 102 bullets fired at innocent citizens should equal attempted homicide charges for each shooter.

with each passing year police get more batshiat crazy and more people suffer & die because of it.
 
2013-03-13 03:21:15 AM

MNguy: BarkingUnicorn:
AzLefty:  the giver pays gift tax, not the recipient.

That's what I thought.  Isn't there also an exemption for something like $10,000? It's also why Oprah called those cars she gave away 'prizes' so the people who got them had to pay the taxes on them.


So you are saying Oprah intentionally went out of her way to term something a "prize" and not a gift JUST so they had to pay taxes on them?

Seems kinda douchey.

Unless of course, there is a better, more sane reason.
 
2013-03-13 03:21:54 AM

ongbok: MNguy: BarkingUnicorn:
AzLefty:  the giver pays gift tax, not the recipient.

That's what I thought.  Isn't there also an exemption for something like $10,000? It's also why Oprah called those cars she gave away 'prizes' so the people who got them had to pay the taxes on them.

Oprah didn't give them away, GM did.

And if anybody ever thought that the LAPD would just give the victims of their shooting spree anything without a court order to do so are just dumb. If these victims are smart, they would refuse any help that comes their way, because the LAPD lawyers will use it against them in the settlement talks.


IIRC, GM paid all sales taxes and gave options on when to take delivery ...which is what the LAPD should do, along with paying any and all medical bills for both women.

Went to look it up: GM did pay sales taxes and offered a deferment:  http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tax-show-is-next-for-oprahs-car-winn i ng-audience?pagenumber=2 No one turned the car down, but several did defer delivery until the following year so they could take advantage of tax credits and allow accountants to give a fair market value (meaning adjust for below sticker price, just as no sensible person actually pays sticker price on a car), thus actually saving them some money on the taxes. It was the IRS regulations that screwed the audience members (and as ongbok states, it was nothing more than a glorified advertisement--at the time Oprah had millions of women who would practically do anything she said), not King World or GM/Pontiac, just as the article indicates it's the IRS screwing these two women over, not necessarily the car dealer or the LAPD (much as I hate to admit it).

Still, there are ways to get around that particular regulation--the LAPD and car dealer's attorneys and/or accountants could easily help with that. Instead, they'll end up costing far more than $30000 for a truck and a couple hundred thousand for medical. LA's newest millionaires right here--all because the LAPD are farking morons.
 
2013-03-13 03:25:38 AM
FTFY-

Dear LAPD sad excuse for a police department,

You shot two women, one 71 years old, who did not look anything like the suspect and who were not driving a vehicle like the suspect. Please immediately pay their medical bills and buy them a new truck. Do not deduct anything and structure the deal so they don't have to pay taxes. Do not pass Go. prepare for a huge lawsuit, although I'm sure you'll settle it out of court at the last minute (like you always do), so you don't have to admit any wrongdoing and receive a gag order from the defendants so the sad excuse for civil protection will no longer allowed to be discussed. You will pay millions of dollars for your asshattery (as always) because you were unwilling to do the right thing from the start. It's pitiful how lame you are. Also, some of you need to surrender your man cards for shooting 100 rounds and not killing the target...although, thank FSM for your incompetence.

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen
 
2013-03-13 03:26:30 AM
This one is the tipping point for me on "not liking" vs. "liking" police. And it's tipped.
 
2013-03-13 03:29:01 AM
The LAPD could have simply handled this by giving an appropriate cash figt with the truck that just so happens to match the amount of taxes owed on the price of the truck and cash awarded.  So if it is a 30k truck give them another 10k or 15k cash on top of it.  Call it a prepayment on the large settlement that these women can and should get.  The LAPD police chief tried to get a PR boost and this blew up in his face because he wanted to do it on the cheap.  The good news is appears to have been handled today on a radio talk show discussing the issue when the interested parties all called in (car dealer working with the LAPD, city council member, city attorney, plaintiffs attorney).  http://www.kfiam640.com/player/?mid=22975252&station=KFI-AM&program_i d =JohnandKen.xml&program_name=podcast
 
2013-03-13 03:29:41 AM
Aigoo:  not King World or GM/Pontiac, just as the article indicates it's the IRS screwing these two women over, not necessarily the car dealer or the LAPD (much as I hate to admit it).

I'
m pretty sure it was a semantical thing though.  If they had been claimed by Oprah or GM or whoever gave the cars away as 'gifts' as opposed to 'prizes' the entire tax burden would have fallen on them.
 
2013-03-13 03:30:57 AM
Had this happened outside of the Middle East, China, Africa and the United States the officers responsible would be on the way to a long prison sentence.
 
2013-03-13 03:32:09 AM

KrispyKritter: BSABSVR: doglover: The cops who shot these women should have ALL their assets seized. ALL of them, especially pension.

The women should get the option of taking possession of those assets.

ta-da

OK. Now given that that is legally impossible, do you have any ideas that are actually feasible, or just angry-imbecile-at-the-bar style populism?

perhaps 102 bullets fired at innocent citizens should equal attempted homicide charges for each shooter.

with each passing year police get more batshiat crazy and more people suffer & die because of it.


OK, so that would involve putting in the work to convince the state legislature to modify California's Governmental Immunity Act.
 
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