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(Opposing Views)   Little League needs money, holds raffle for assault rifle very similar to weapon that killed 20 kids in Sandy Hook Elementary, sees no problem   (opposingviews.com) divider line 184
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2013-03-13 12:51:20 AM  

Yogimus: A certain vocal part of the gun rights set would have me believe it's perfectly reasonable for people to walk around with high-power, high capacity rifles anywhere and everywhere, and that even questioning the idea is tantamount to being a communist.


Ironically, they are neither "high-power" or "high-capacity". They fire an intermediate round, and the magazines designed for the weapons are standard-capacity magazines. The hunting rifles that the Fudds go to great lengths to defend and that the gun-control people claim they don't want to take are much more high-powered than an AR-15, which is essentially a hot-loaded .22.

I mean, if people can make up any characterizations they want, we certainly have the right to take back the language.
 
2013-03-13 12:55:59 AM  
You know, for kids.
 
2013-03-13 01:01:35 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Yogimus: A certain vocal part of the gun rights set would have me believe it's perfectly reasonable for people to walk around with high-power, high capacity rifles anywhere and everywhere, and that even questioning the idea is tantamount to being a communist.

Ironically, they are neither "high-power" or "high-capacity". They fire an intermediate round, and the magazines designed for the weapons are standard-capacity magazines. The hunting rifles that the Fudds go to great lengths to defend and that the gun-control people claim they don't want to take are much more high-powered than an AR-15, which is essentially a hot-loaded .22.

I mean, if people can make up any characterizations they want, we certainly have the right to take back the language.


And god forbid black powder. Those farking morons have gunpowder in 20lb barrels IN APARTMENTS. Like.. right next door to you.  And do you really want people to shoot untraceable bullets? Because that is what shotguns do. Shoot someone with a shotgun, and the police will NEVER be able to match the gun to the projectiles.  Sounds like something only a criminal would use. Rimfire ammo? Obviously an assassin's tool. Who else but an assassin use such quiet ammunition.
 
2013-03-13 01:04:38 AM  
I don't have a problem with it either. What I do have a problem with is an article like this mentioning Sandy Hook when it has absolutely nothing to do with the story.
 
2013-03-13 01:06:52 AM  

Make Way For Ducklings: Dimensio: cheesegobbler: Wait, I thought they came out and said the "assault rifle" was in the trunk of the car and he just used pistols for all the killing.

You are mistaken.

Four handguns were used in the shootings, right?


Four handguns as confirmed by the chief editor of NBC, IIRC. I've yet to hear anything public about the fact that an AR <b>wasn't</b> in the car. I guess when you are the media you get to conveniently forget about the video of the cops going through Lanza's car and finding what is obviously a loaded semi-automatic shotgun.
 
2013-03-13 01:07:03 AM  
The proper weapon for home defense is a 20 gauge youth model, pump-action shotgun with #4 buckshot. See Remington 870....

Youth model is easily handled by women and teens. 20 ga #4 will hit with the same energy as 2x .45 ACP rounds and will hit the required penetration depth without over penetration. Yet has less recoil than 12 ga. Also pump action shotguns should be used due to their simplicity and reliability.

/thanks for playing
 
2013-03-13 01:11:19 AM  

fusillade762: Oh good, another gun thread. Haven't had one of those for almost 12 hours.


You've been asleep for 11.5 hours?
 
2013-03-13 01:13:30 AM  

painless42: Youth model is easily handled by women and teens. 20 ga #4 will hit with the same energy as 2x .45 ACP rounds and will hit the required penetration depth without over penetration. Yet has less recoil than 12 ga. Also pump action shotguns should be used due to their simplicity and reliability.


I recommend a semiauto if you go shotgun, less chance of user error.  Short stroking is a real and dangerous thing. #1 shot i sthe best compromise to reach the FBI mandated 10 inch penetration requirement, but at home ranges on a frontal shot #4 will do just fine.
Of course, if you are familiar with your firearm, and practice, pump shotties are great.
 
2013-03-13 01:24:44 AM  
They could have had the damn decency to give an address where one could purchase a ticket.

I wonder if the winner has to go through a background check?  They should at least have to do that.
 
2013-03-13 02:16:13 AM  
No one needs a farking assault rifle (spare me the jargon semantics). They are toys for hobbyists. And to all of the "liberal" gun nuts. You're on the same side as Ted farking Nugent and Alex Jones shouldn't that clue in that enlightened noggin of yours.
 
2013-03-13 02:17:18 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: DarkSoulNoHope: the pistol is easier to handle in tight spaces when you have to search your own house and it's easier to clear corners with a pistol than a long rifle like the AR-15. The other is a pump action shotgun, not for the weapon's ability to suppress and/or kill the target, but the psychological effect

That's pretty much what they said in the class I took in home defense. They also taught us how to hold a pistol and a mini mag flashlight while effectively and safely clearing our homes in the dark. Not only did I learn a lot, it was a fun class. That's always a bonus.

/oh, and one of the instructor dudes was HAWT


All quite the pile of bullshiat.

Best "home defense"?  Before you go to bed, move the clip off the top of your handy flower bed "this side towards enemy" sign around the opposite porch post then turn off the safety and take it to bed with you.

You shiats all talk about "home defense" and are talking about handguns.  The people you actually NEED to defend against already know how to handle em better than you do and WILL KILL YOU if they see one in your hand.  Paintball landmines are more reliable than a handgun.  Camera flashes set to motion detection are better than a handgun.  A farkING BOAT HORN WITH A TRIP WIRE IS BETTER THAN A HANDGUN.

Any weapon that requires a stock or sights of any kind is useless in home defense.  There's no fear of them and squeezing off a few rounds of .223 is a sad joke that only endangers your neighbors.

A stupid dog is better home defense than an armed guard.
 
2013-03-13 02:26:17 AM  

prjindigo: Real Women Drink Akvavit: DarkSoulNoHope: the pistol is easier to handle in tight spaces when you have to search your own house and it's easier to clear corners with a pistol than a long rifle like the AR-15. The other is a pump action shotgun, not for the weapon's ability to suppress and/or kill the target, but the psychological effect

That's pretty much what they said in the class I took in home defense. They also taught us how to hold a pistol and a mini mag flashlight while effectively and safely clearing our homes in the dark. Not only did I learn a lot, it was a fun class. That's always a bonus.

/oh, and one of the instructor dudes was HAWT

All quite the pile of bullshiat.

Best "home defense"?  Before you go to bed, move the clip off the top of your handy flower bed "this side towards enemy" sign around the opposite porch post then turn off the safety and take it to bed with you.

You shiats all talk about "home defense" and are talking about handguns.  The people you actually NEED to defend against already know how to handle em better than you do and WILL KILL YOU if they see one in your hand.  Paintball landmines are more reliable than a handgun.  Camera flashes set to motion detection are better than a handgun.  A farkING BOAT HORN WITH A TRIP WIRE IS BETTER THAN A HANDGUN.

Any weapon that requires a stock or sights of any kind is useless in home defense.  There's no fear of them and squeezing off a few rounds of .223 is a sad joke that only endangers your neighbors.

A stupid dog is better home defense than an armed guard.


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2013-03-13 02:55:53 AM  
Are those worth $10,000 yet?
 
2013-03-13 02:56:39 AM  
Because only rich people should own arms. As the god of the Jews intended.
 
2013-03-13 03:12:27 AM  

PDid: No one needs a farking assault rifle (spare me the jargon semantics). They are toys for hobbyists. And to all of the "liberal" gun nuts. You're on the same side as Ted farking Nugent and Alex Jones shouldn't that clue in that enlightened noggin of yours.


Please, tell us why we don't need what you define as an assault weapon, and why what you think we do or don't need has anything to do with our rights. Study the guns, compare them to other guns on the market and tell me why these select few features of an "assault weapon" make a gun so dangerous and taboo. Then look at the few crimes these rifles are used in compared to gun crimes as a whole. I could keep going on but by now I've realized that it all comes down to what you want to be spared from, the jargon and semantics, that your anti-gun side owns.

"Assault weapons-just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms-are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons."

-Josh Sugarmann founder and director of the VPC.

On a direct point, you're right, I don't NEED them. I use one of my "assault rifles" when I hunt coyotes, but I could use something else. Yet given everything I've typed, I don't think you can give me a reason why I shouldn't have the blah guns. And that puts you in bed with common sense, Alex and Ted are just broken clocks.

So, in short, I respectfully disagree.
 
2013-03-13 03:15:22 AM  

prjindigo: Any weapon that requires a stock or sights of any kind is useless in home defense. There's no fear of them and squeezing off a few rounds of .223 is a sad joke that only endangers your neighbors.


Thats part of the allure of the AR platform. You can apply for the tax stamp and make or buy an SBR with a 7.5 inch barrel. They even make pistol versions of ARs nowadays with an altered buffer tube and spring further shortening the weapon.

There is a reason law enforcement agencies who are tasked with going into dwellings to clear out bad guys in populated suburban and city settings use the AR and do not have to evacuate the surrounding homes due to fear of over penetration of the .223 round.
 
2013-03-13 03:28:01 AM  
It's pretty hilarious to watch dipshiats get terrified about things that do not matter in any way, shape, or form.
 
2013-03-13 05:36:28 AM  

Giltric: I bought a raffle ticket for a left handed m-14 the other day.

[www.imfdb.org image 600x255]


/crossing fingers

If this is a troll, it is pure evil!!!!  A wrong handed M14?    WHERE!

/they make a wrong handed Aimpoint too?
 
2013-03-13 06:22:52 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Oh boy it's this thread again.


^
 
2013-03-13 06:53:15 AM  
so they are raffling off 2 handguns then?
 
2013-03-13 08:10:39 AM  
Sandy Hook is the new 9/11

SANDY HOOK!
 
2013-03-13 08:14:57 AM  
I'm scared, that gun almost looks like a pop tart my kid had the other day.  Should I call Obama and have him take it away?
 
2013-03-13 08:27:02 AM  
No different than raffling off a car like ones use in drunk driving accidents or high speed chases that end in fatality.
 
2013-03-13 08:37:30 AM  

GUTSU: people were allowed to own SBRs it would be more effective.



I use this for all my SBR needs.
media.liveauctiongroup.net

Plus the 7.63 round works well against low level body armor.
 
2013-03-13 08:55:54 AM  
More people are murdered with hammers that "assault" weapons and nobody would have a problem if they were raffling off a hammer
 
2013-03-13 09:31:36 AM  

Yogimus: painless42: Youth model is easily handled by women and teens. 20 ga #4 will hit with the same energy as 2x .45 ACP rounds and will hit the required penetration depth without over penetration. Yet has less recoil than 12 ga. Also pump action shotguns should be used due to their simplicity and reliability.

I recommend a semiauto if you go shotgun, less chance of user error.  Short stroking is a real and dangerous thing. #1 shot i sthe best compromise to reach the FBI mandated 10 inch penetration requirement, but at home ranges on a frontal shot #4 will do just fine.
Of course, if you are familiar with your firearm, and practice, pump shotties are great.


a SxS coach gun is an excellent choice for home defense; yet more reliable and simpler to use than the semiauto.
 
2013-03-13 09:37:49 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I don't see any problem either. Of course, I recognize that it's just a rifle, and that it's the user and not the machine that dictates the behavior.


How dare you be logical.
 
2013-03-13 09:52:21 AM  

President Merkin Muffley: arentol: There is basically no better choice for home defense than an AR-15.

lol


Yea I got a good laugh at that too. In that situation a shotgun is going to be just as intimidating, wont require as much accuracy, and is far less likely to shoot through walls and kill your kid in the process. We may have both just eaten some troll bait though... not sure
 
2013-03-13 11:15:48 AM  

PDid: No one needs a farking assault rifle (spare me the jargon semantics). They are toys for hobbyists. And to all of the "liberal" gun nuts. You're on the same side as Ted farking Nugent and Alex Jones shouldn't that clue in that enlightened noggin of yours.


"Need" is a bullshiat argument. Liberty has nothing to do with "need". Rights have nothing to do with "need". Must an American prove to the government a "need" for a jury trial, or a "need" prior to practicing their religion?

Fark "need".
 
2013-03-13 11:24:10 AM  

Ontos: PDid: No one needs a farking assault rifle (spare me the jargon semantics). They are toys for hobbyists. And to all of the "liberal" gun nuts. You're on the same side as Ted farking Nugent and Alex Jones shouldn't that clue in that enlightened noggin of yours.

"Need" is a bullshiat argument. Liberty has nothing to do with "need". Rights have nothing to do with "need". Must an American prove to the government a "need" for a jury trial, or a "need" prior to practicing their religion?

Fark "need".


What Ontos said.

Giltric: Don't panic yet. Do you also have 2 implements at the ends of your arms with 4 digits and an additional opposable digit on each implement? Cause then it might be time to worry.


AGGH!  I do!  And my wife does, too!
 
2013-03-13 06:59:09 PM  

DisregardTheFollowing: President Merkin Muffley: arentol: There is basically no better choice for home defense than an AR-15.

lol Yea I got a good laugh at that too. In that situation a shotgun is going to be just as intimidating, wont require as much accuracy, and is far less likely to shoot through walls and kill your kid in the process. We may have both just eaten some troll bait though... not sure


1. Intimidation is a non-existent issue
2. Shotguns DO IN FACT require a great deal of accuracy, and generally speaking, are less accurate than an AR, especially in  dark environment, unless you put AR style  features on it.
3. Shotguns penetrate far more walls than a .223/5.56 round will. (up to twice as much)
 
2013-03-13 09:26:50 PM  
Yogimus: 
3. Shotguns penetrate far more walls than a .223/5.56 round will. (up to twice as much)

They do not.

Link

"As you can see, everything except the #4 Birdshot had no problem blowing through 4 layers of sheetrock and hitting the berm "

Know your loads, know your gun, know how it runs.
 
2013-03-13 09:50:12 PM  

willfullyobscure: Yogimus: 
3. Shotguns penetrate far more walls than a .223/5.56 round will. (up to twice as much)

They do not.

Link

"As you can see, everything except the #4 Birdshot had no problem blowing through 4 layers of sheetrock and hitting the berm "

Know your loads, know your gun, know how it runs.


You do realize that we are in agreement here, right?
 
2013-03-13 10:35:25 PM  

Yogimus: willfullyobscure: Yogimus: 
3. Shotguns penetrate far more walls than a .223/5.56 round will. (up to twice as much)

They do not.

Link

"As you can see, everything except the #4 Birdshot had no problem blowing through 4 layers of sheetrock and hitting the berm "

Know your loads, know your gun, know how it runs.

You do realize that we are in agreement here, right?


pistols at dawn, sirrah.
 
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