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2013-03-12 08:36:14 PM
But they won't take money from titty bars.
 
2013-03-12 09:11:06 PM
My mother would call that a sin.
 
2013-03-12 09:15:16 PM
I don't see any problem either. Of course, I recognize that it's just a rifle, and that it's the user and not the machine that dictates the behavior.
 
2013-03-12 09:17:53 PM
Assault rifles are fully-automatic weapons, you retard.  This is not an assault rifle.
 
2013-03-12 09:25:06 PM
Everybody knows that you are far past "assault" once you start shooting.
 
2013-03-12 09:25:14 PM
So long as they dont let some FPS gamer nerd get his hands on it.
 
2013-03-12 09:26:28 PM
When did we become a nation of pants-wetting sissy's who are scared of anything black and/or gun-shaped?
 
2013-03-12 09:27:07 PM
So this means and illegal immigrant is automatically president, and Obama is forced rob our houses to pay for every minority's college, right?
 
2013-03-12 09:27:11 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I don't see any problem either. Of course, I recognize that it's just a rifle, and that it's the user and not the machine that dictates the behavior.


Came here to say this. Most military style firearms have killed thousands if not more in wars and people don't point that out every time one of them changes hands. If they outlawed sensationalism, the media would have to actually work to get viewers.
 
2013-03-12 09:27:18 PM
Just wait until football season comes around.
 
2013-03-12 09:27:27 PM
Unless you're a collector, every rifle is going to be "similar" to every other rifle ever.
 
2013-03-12 09:28:17 PM
They're going to make a killing.
 
2013-03-12 09:29:00 PM
They also pee with the same organ Glenn Beck used to rape and murder a hooker in vegas.
 
2013-03-12 09:29:13 PM
Yes, sublibtard, very similar to  the rifle used at Sandy Hook. Except that it isn't being wielded illegally by someone farked in the head.
 
2013-03-12 09:29:13 PM
Not an assault rifle. Nor was the firearm used at Sandy Hook. Less than 2% of all murders in the US are committed with rifles (and far from all of those with AR-15's). There is basically no better choice for home defense than an AR-15. If the kids benefit and nobody is harmed, then what is the problem exactly?

Also, interesting related recent development, the Department of Homeland Security just ordered 7000 AR-15s with 30 round magazines and they very specifically referred to them as Personal Defense Weapons. So one of the few departments of the federal government actually qualified to talk about firearms considers them appropriate for personal defense.
 
2013-03-12 09:30:45 PM
It's cool. Gun enthusiasts usually shoot their families anyway.

darwin-online.org.uk
 
2013-03-12 09:33:36 PM
They could raffle off a ticket on a cruise liner very similar to the Titanic that killed 1500 people in the North Atlantic
 
2013-03-12 09:34:20 PM

arentol: There is basically no better choice for home defense than an AR-15.


lol
 
2013-03-12 09:34:42 PM
o.k. subby.... the "problem" is that it looks sorta, kinda, maybe like a gun that was used in a crime somewhere else?

Why, exactly is this a problem for another group of people in another place and time? We don't demonize every bartender in town every time someone gets a DUI? Why should every gun owner be demonized for the actions of one lunatic?

The more liberals persist in acting like gun owners are trafficking in kiddie pr0n and ought to be ashamed of themselves and go hide in the basement; the sillier and less relevant you become.
 
2013-03-12 09:34:45 PM
"Charidy Butcher"?
 
2013-03-12 09:35:50 PM
Worse, the rifle fires ammunition loaded with a propellant exactly like the propellant in the ammunition used to kill twenty children at Sandy Hook.

/Rumour is that the ammunition that it fires may be made using the same type of metal, too.
 
2013-03-12 09:36:11 PM

jaytkay: It's cool. Gun enthusiasts usually shoot their families anyway.

[darwin-online.org.uk image 280x435]


It is equally cool, that gunophobes tend to die before they breed also, having a genetic disposition that turns mates away.

I guess that is why the population stays fairly balanced on the issue.
 
2013-03-12 09:36:52 PM

jaytkay: It's cool. Gun enthusiasts usually shoot their families anyway.

[darwin-online.org.uk image 280x435]


I am curious: for what reason are you lying?
 
2013-03-12 09:39:48 PM
You pants-shiatting anti-gun tards have built a hell of a soapbox on those 26 graves.
 
2013-03-12 09:40:10 PM
Local church raffles off the exact same model car that was involved in a multiple fatality drunk driving accident.  Queue outrage.
 
2013-03-12 09:40:36 PM
The real horror here is that the money that they raise will be used to train children how to effectively hit things with blunt objects.

TEACHING CHILDREN TO HIT THINGS WITH BLUNT OBJECTS.

You know, things similar to hammers, clubs, and baseball bats.

Blunt objects were used to murder 496 people in 2011 - including children - that's 1.5 times as many people as were murdered with ALL rifles combined - including "Assault Rifles".

That's right, for every 10 people murdered with rifles, 15 were murdered with blunt objects similar to baseball bats.

Worse still, these "Assault Bats" can be bought at virtually any variety or sporting goods store, with NO background check, NO waiting period, and NO age restriction - if a child is old enough to lay money on the counter, he or she can walk out with one of these killing machines - no questions asked.

Isn't it time we had a rational discussion about Little League?

Stop the madness.

Write your Congressmen, people.
 
2013-03-12 09:42:38 PM

President Merkin Muffley: arentol: There is basically no better choice for home defense than an AR-15.

lol


Of course there are better choices, depending on the home in question and other factors. But it's no one's business if you want to own one to defend your home or just because you like the way the light bounces off the muzzle at dawn.

(I live in a subdivision so I wouldn't dream of needing one to "defend the home" but down on the farm they are an ideal tool.)
 
2013-03-12 09:44:40 PM
ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!! Sports team raffling off a product that's completely legal to own!!!

MASS FARKING HYSTERIA!  WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!

And something about "blood running in the streets".

/amidoinitright?
 
2013-03-12 09:46:14 PM

part of the problem: you like the way the light bounces off the muzzle at dawn


Brave men fought and died so you could masturbate over your AR-15.

weeklyscoops.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-12 09:48:02 PM
gifsforum.com

Let me sum up this entire thread.

People who hate guns, bait people that like guns. The word penis will be flung to both sides, and everyone is a racist, facist, ect, ect.
 
2013-03-12 09:48:24 PM

arentol: If the kids benefit and nobody is harmed, then what is the problem exactly?


The problem is you are taking what is supposed to be the scapegoat for all of our nations suffering and casting it in a positive light.
That ruins the rest of the narrative.
 
2013-03-12 09:48:32 PM
arentol:

Also, interesting related recent development, the Department of Homeland Security just ordered 7000 AR-15s with 30 round magazines and they very specifically referred to them as Personal Defense Weapons. So one of the few departments of the federal government actually qualified to talk about firearms considers them appropriate for personal defense.

Tell me more about this great and wonderful agency!
 
2013-03-12 09:48:33 PM
Wait, I thought they came out and said the "assault rifle" was in the trunk of the car and he just used pistols for all the killing.
 
2013-03-12 09:50:22 PM

jaytkay: part of the problem: you like the way the light bounces off the muzzle at dawn

Brave men fought and died so you could masturbate over your AR-15.

[weeklyscoops.files.wordpress.com image 225x259]


I masturbate to Ridley Scott films
 
2013-03-12 09:50:32 PM

jaytkay: part of the problem: you like the way the light bounces off the muzzle at dawn

Brave men fought and died so you could masturbate over your AR-15.

[weeklyscoops.files.wordpress.com image 225x259]


over it? Try with it. Isn't that what the gun lube is for?
 
2013-03-12 09:51:55 PM
If the little league team raffled off baseball bats there are survivors of those victems too.

We're all just feeding the attention whores.
 
2013-03-12 09:55:16 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: If the little league team raffled off baseball bats there are survivors of those victems too.

 
2013-03-12 09:55:19 PM
I bet the little league players go to a school very similar to those found in Newtown.
 
2013-03-12 09:56:46 PM

cheesegobbler: Wait, I thought they came out and said the "assault rifle" was in the trunk of the car and he just used pistols for all the killing.


You are mistaken.
 
2013-03-12 09:57:11 PM
Oh good, another gun thread. Haven't had one of those for almost 12 hours.
 
2013-03-12 09:58:28 PM
I'm more concerned about unregulated raffles. The commissioner's brother-in-law will probably win it.
 
2013-03-12 10:01:31 PM

Molavian: They're going to make a killing.


It's a rifle raffle.
 
2013-03-12 10:03:16 PM

violentsalvation: You pants-shiatting anti-gun tards have built a hell of a soapbox on those 26 graves.


20 graves. Nobody seems to give a fark about the adults.
 
2013-03-12 10:03:28 PM
Meh, I am from an area where it is popular to 'buy a truck get a gun' dealership promotions and where we have derbies where we shoot rockchucks and they raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for rural schools (the folks that shoot the largest ones win rifles).

/Pretty much SOP here
 
2013-03-12 10:04:00 PM
Oh boy it's this thread again.
 
2013-03-12 10:04:10 PM

part of the problem: o.k. subby.... the "problem" is that it looks sorta, kinda, maybe like a gun that was used in a crime somewhere else?

Why, exactly is this a problem for another group of people in another place and time? We don't demonize every bartender in town every time someone gets a DUI? Why should every gun owner be demonized for the actions of one lunatic?

The more liberals persist in acting like gun owners are trafficking in kiddie pr0n and ought to be ashamed of themselves and go hide in the basement; the sillier and less relevant you become.


Gods, I hope you're trolling. Many of the gun owners I know are liberals. I don't understand this whole "libs hate guns WHARGARBLE!!!" BS going on with some people. Hell, the libbiest lib I know has a gun collection that would make the Army Rangers jealous.

The problem isn't the weapon or the political affiliation of the person wielding it or any related bad or not very useful ideas about the weapon. It is the outright refusal of many to take simple, common sense steps to ensure that complete idiots and crazy people do not have easy access to any kind of weapon. Classes and testing should be required before being permitted to possess ANY firearm, along with anyone who owns a weapon being held legally responsible for its use, even if they were not the one using it (so keep your firearms secured at all times and no loaning out your firearms to unlicensed people, just like you wouldn't loan out your car to someone who wouldn't/couldn't pass the tests for a licenses). I've seen people at the range that shouldn't even be allowed to look at a gun, they're so stupidly careless.

I'd not be surprised if there was at least one firearms related death per day due to the user's stupidity or irresponsibility. The mass shootings just wind up the extremists on both sides when the real problem is nothing to do with those isolated incidents. It's to do with the extreme stupidity of both entirely too many gun owners and entirely too many are flat out anti-gun. When both sides have drawn their battle lines and refuse to compromise, nothing gets done and we all lose in the end.

Gods, I hate politics. Sniffing glue while tripping on acid and siphoning gasoline from a car while chain smoking would make more sense than a lot of political bullshiat does.

/Centrist gun nut
//that's code for "lefties and righties both suck"
 
2013-03-12 10:06:42 PM

Dimensio: cheesegobbler: Wait, I thought they came out and said the "assault rifle" was in the trunk of the car and he just used pistols for all the killing.

You are mistaken.


Well some media outlets did say that early on. They were wrong... but they did say that.
 
2013-03-12 10:07:22 PM
Is Adam Lanza holding it?

Because I am sure he would have beaten the little bastreds with a baseball bat if he had the chance.
 
2013-03-12 10:07:23 PM
man, get these things out of public view and quick or get your guns taken away, you fools. Anal gaping in the Town Day parade isn't appropriate and no ether are military style fashion guns in civilian hands. cut the shiat or get your guns taken away you assholes.
 
2013-03-12 10:09:06 PM

Dimensio: cheesegobbler: Wait, I thought they came out and said the "assault rifle" was in the trunk of the car and he just used pistols for all the killing.

You are mistaken.


Four handguns were used in the shootings, right?
 
2013-03-12 10:10:26 PM

willfullyobscure: man, get these things out of public view and quick or get your guns taken away, you fools.


?  What are you yabbering about?  Nothing wrong with these being in public view.  hell, around here, they are mostly used on Public Lands.
 
2013-03-12 10:10:44 PM

willfullyobscure: man, get these things out of public view and quick or get your guns taken away, you fools. Anal gaping in the Town Day parade isn't appropriate and no ether are military style fashion guns in civilian hands. cut the shiat or get your guns taken away you assholes.


Hey, aren't you supposed to be saying "No one is going to take your guns away"? You should stay on message.
 
2013-03-12 10:11:14 PM

willfullyobscure: man, get these things out of public view and quick or get your guns taken away, you fools. Anal gaping in the Town Day parade isn't appropriate and no ether are military style fashion guns in civilian hands. cut the shiat or get your guns taken away you assholes.


How about no... Does no work for you?
 
2013-03-12 10:12:43 PM

Benjamin Orr: Dimensio: cheesegobbler: Wait, I thought they came out and said the "assault rifle" was in the trunk of the car and he just used pistols for all the killing.

You are mistaken.

Well some media outlets did say that early on. They were wrong... but they did say that.


Ok fair enough, I thought I had heard that somewhere.
 
2013-03-12 10:12:59 PM

GUTSU: willfullyobscure: man, get these things out of public view and quick or get your guns taken away, you fools. Anal gaping in the Town Day parade isn't appropriate and no ether are military style fashion guns in civilian hands. cut the shiat or get your guns taken away you assholes.

Hey, aren't you supposed to be saying "No one is going to take your guns away"? You should stay on message.


He switches every other thread. This thread is concern trolling.

Next thread he is back to nobody wants to ban guns.
 
2013-03-12 10:13:24 PM

GUTSU: Hey, aren't you supposed to be saying "No one is going to take your guns away"? You should stay on message.


That party line bunk was pretty much destroyed when the unleashed the Feinstein's of the party.  They have since move on to other talking points.
 
2013-03-12 10:15:19 PM
On a tangential note...our local Crime Stoppers raffles off a donated Glock every year...raises about $2000.
 
2013-03-12 10:15:20 PM

arentol: There is basically no better choice for home defense than an AR-15.


I disagree, one of two weapons are better for home defense in a pinch and don't need 5.56 mm rifle ammunition. One is a pistol, easy to hold, lightweight, easy to store in a secure box in your bedroom, plus the pistol is easier to handle in tight spaces when you have to search your own house and it's easier to clear corners with a pistol than a long rifle like the AR-15. The other is a pump action shotgun, not for the weapon's ability to suppress and/or kill the target, but the psychological effect it puts on a person who just broke into your home hearing the weapon being cocked, they'll run out the front door in a hurry and you won't have to waste ammunition.  The AR-15 is too long to be an effective weapon in close quarters unless you live in a mansion!
 
2013-03-12 10:17:49 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: arentol: There is basically no better choice for home defense than an AR-15.

I disagree, one of two weapons are better for home defense in a pinch and don't need 5.56 mm rifle ammunition. One is a pistol, easy to hold, lightweight, easy to store in a secure box in your bedroom, plus the pistol is easier to handle in tight spaces when you have to search your own house and it's easier to clear corners with a pistol than a long rifle like the AR-15. The other is a pump action shotgun, not for the weapon's ability to suppress and/or kill the target, but the psychological effect it puts on a person who just broke into your home hearing the weapon being cocked, they'll run out the front door in a hurry and you won't have to waste ammunition.  The AR-15 is too long to be an effective weapon in close quarters unless you live in a mansion!


If people were allowed to own SBRs it would be more effective.
 
2013-03-12 10:20:59 PM

twiztedjustin: Yes, sublibtard, very similar to  the rifle used at Sandy Hook. Except that it isn't being wielded illegally by someone farked in the head.


ironic tag would explode if it were though.  that would be so great
 
JVD
2013-03-12 10:21:01 PM
I don't have a problem with this, but then again I'm not a hoplophobe.
 
2013-03-12 10:21:13 PM
I don't want to get into the circle jerk of which weapon is best for home defense... But can we please stop this bullshiat about how the sound of a pump action makes criminals shiat their pants and run away?
 
2013-03-12 10:22:55 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: the pistol is easier to handle in tight spaces when you have to search your own house and it's easier to clear corners with a pistol than a long rifle like the AR-15. The other is a pump action shotgun, not for the weapon's ability to suppress and/or kill the target, but the psychological effect


That's pretty much what they said in the class I took in home defense. They also taught us how to hold a pistol and a mini mag flashlight while effectively and safely clearing our homes in the dark. Not only did I learn a lot, it was a fun class. That's always a bonus.

/oh, and one of the instructor dudes was HAWT
 
2013-03-12 10:23:27 PM
And now for your viewing pleasure, here's a story of a baseball bat, a rifle, and a very happy ending.

/I'm a sucker for happy endings
 
2013-03-12 10:24:51 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: ... plus the pistol is easier to handle in tight spaces when you have to search your own house and it's easier to clear corners with a pistol than a long rifle like the AR-15.


Never, ever, ever search your home in the event of a break in.  Get your family, your phone and your firearm into a pre-planned location, call the police and shoot anything that comes into your room not wearing a badge.  If you go looking for intruders you give up a significant tactical advantage.

DarkSoulNoHope: The other is a pump action shotgun, not for the weapon's ability to suppress and/or kill the target, but the psychological effect it puts on a person who just broke into your home hearing the weapon being cocked, they'll run out the front door in a hurry and you won't have to waste ammunition.


Pure myth.  Your advice is no better than Mr. Bidens.


Oh, and they should be raffling off Mosin Nagants instead of ARs... That way if no one wins, the little league kids can still use them as bats.
 
2013-03-12 10:25:10 PM
AR 15 actually IS the best weapon for an untrained shooter.

Allow me to articulate.

The rifle is easily fitted to the shooter. The collapsible buttstock and the pistolgrip makes the rifle is easily fitted to the shooter.
The rifle can be equipped with any desired sight.  A red-dot optic is INVALUABLE in low light situations.
The ammunition (5.56/.223) has been consistently shown to penetrate less than ANY non-frangible round, because of the way it yaws when it hits a barrier. (it penetrates on average 6-8 layers of wall before it stops)
A rifle is actually easier to hold on to than a pistol (again, with minimum training)
Larger magazine capacity
Lighter recoil
and his is key: NATURAL POINT OF AIM. An untrained shooter, making NO attempt to actually use the sights, will be able to score better hits, more consistently on a man sized target within 25 meters.

(Yes the AR15 is an extremely effective weapon, with a very effective bullet.  )
 
2013-03-12 10:26:29 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: That's pretty much what they said in the class I took in home defense. They also taught us how to hold a pistol and a mini mag flashlight while effectively and safely clearing our homes in the dark. Not only did I learn a lot, it was a fun class. That's always a bonus.


Who taught this class?  Not so that I can take it, but so that I can tell everyone I know not to take it.
 
2013-03-12 10:26:42 PM
Benjamin Orr: But can we please stop this bullshiat about how the sound of a pump action makes criminals shiat their pants and run away?

every house I've ever fled from while burglarizing has been because I heard the distinctive KA-CHAK! and decided to hightail it out of there. I've never stuck around to see if the person was just bluffing with an unloaded shotgun. Anecdotal, I know, but it's 100% effective.
 
2013-03-12 10:27:59 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: DarkSoulNoHope: the pistol is easier to handle in tight spaces when you have to search your own house and it's easier to clear corners with a pistol than a long rifle like the AR-15. The other is a pump action shotgun, not for the weapon's ability to suppress and/or kill the target, but the psychological effect

That's pretty much what they said in the class I took in home defense. They also taught us how to hold a pistol and a mini mag flashlight while effectively and safely clearing our homes in the dark. Not only did I learn a lot, it was a fun class. That's always a bonus.

/oh, and one of the instructor dudes was HAWT


Ask for your money back if they taught you to go looking around your house for an intruder.
 
2013-03-12 10:28:09 PM
Click Click D'oh:


Oh, and they should be raffling off Mosin Nagants instead of ARs... That way if no one wins, the little league kids can still use them as bats.

Don't be silly, They would break all the balls!
 
2013-03-12 10:28:32 PM

Benjamin Orr: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: man, get these things out of public view and quick or get your guns taken away, you fools. Anal gaping in the Town Day parade isn't appropriate and no ether are military style fashion guns in civilian hands. cut the shiat or get your guns taken away you assholes.

Hey, aren't you supposed to be saying "No one is going to take your guns away"? You should stay on message.

He switches every other thread. This thread is concern trolling.

Next thread he is back to nobody wants to ban guns.


I'm pretty consistent about wanting to ban AR-style guns. they are out loud crappy tech,  fashion statement toy guns, with no real value, and only designed to give the user a tactical hard on. They are antithetical to common sense, actual knowledge about firearms and the great firearm traditions of this country, and their users are almost certain to be ignant morons. They should be banned simply because we don't need a CIVILIAN paramilitary gun culture. This isn't a legal decision, its a cultural one. We don't want sex and vilence on TV, we don't want to walk around Topeka looking like its farking Somalia.

So don't blame me when the open carry tards and the hurr durr imma tactical dude assholes manage to frighten the rest of the country into taking your guns away, You could have had them if you kept your traps shut and didn't act like complete tacti-tard rejects from life and wave your gun penises in everyone's face. But you didn't.  So leave me and the 99 million other responsible gun owners alone, and cry in your beer, tacti-idiots.
 
2013-03-12 10:29:06 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I don't see any problem either. Of course, I recognize that it's just a rifle, and that it's the user and not the machine that dictates the behavior.


The problem is that they're using a Little League for maximum gun-trolling and attention-whoring. It's been a few months, and not enough people were pissing their pants about guns, so some people who enjoy and/or profit from seeing that happen decided to use some 8-to-12-year-olds as an excuse to gin up some media attention.

I sold coupons for frozen pizzas door-to-door for my Little League, along with a hundred other kids. Between that and penny candy from the concession stand and the 50-50 raffle tickets and painted signs on the out field wall and parents who volunteered to mow the grass, we had a pretty goddamn nice field.  Nobody ever felt the need to turn 10-year-olds playing baseball into a political lightning rod. And given where I grew up I'd guess that 95% of those parents had at least one hunting rifle in their houses.

Reasonable people can disagree about guns and who should get to have which ones. But anyone who thinks that kids playing baseball had the first farking thing to do with this is far, far too stupid to be allowed to own a gun.
 
2013-03-12 10:31:53 PM

Benjamin Orr: can we please stop this bullshiat about how the sound of a pump action makes criminals shiat their pants and run away?


Makes criminals shiat their pants and alerts them to your position.
 
2013-03-12 10:32:07 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: ...Classes and testing should be required before being permitted to possess ANY firearm, along with anyone who owns a weapon being held legally responsible for its use, even if they were not the one using it (so keep your firearms secured at all times and no loaning out your firearms to unlicensed people, just like you wouldn't loan out your car to someone who wouldn't/couldn't pass the tests for a licenses) ...



Would you support classes and testing before people are allowed to consume alochol or other drugs? How about before people are allowed to operate farm machinery? Swim in pools? You don't get a license to drive a car. You get a license to drive on the government's roads. I know government-licensed drivers I wouldn't trust to drive my car, and unlicensed individuals I would trust. If the government provided gun ranges, then it might be reasonable for them to have training requirements for using those ranges (not that I think the federal or state governments should be in the gun range business). And finally, what about classes and tests for voting? Someone shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves, but voting for someone who's promised to send our troops to kill tens (hundreds?) of thousands of people in a foreign land, is okay? Voting to suport the world's highest incarceration rate? Military spending almost as much as the rest of the world combined? A President who can assasinate anyone, citizen or not, without a trial? Can the people who vote to support these crimes be held liable for them?
 
2013-03-12 10:32:16 PM

Click Click D'oh: If you go looking for intruders you give up a significant tactical advantage.


Not looking; hunting...
 
2013-03-12 10:33:06 PM

willfullyobscure: with no real value,


lol, shows what you know about AR style rifles.  Some of them shoot on par with many high quality bolt guns when it comes to both accuracy and precision.  You are just another ill-informed sheep that toes the party-line talking points.

too bad really.
 
2013-03-12 10:33:22 PM

Benjamin Orr: I don't want to get into the circle jerk of which weapon is best for home defense... But can we please stop this bullshiat about how the sound of a pump action makes criminals shiat their pants and run away?



Hey, I'm no ITG.

In the (highly unlikely) event that I should be prowling through the darkened corridors of some stranger's house, the sound of a pump shotgun action would get both my feet AND my bowels moving - and fast.


/Short range, shotguns are wicked MF's
// 00
/// 000
 
2013-03-12 10:34:01 PM

willfullyobscure: Benjamin Orr: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: man, get these things out of public view and quick or get your guns taken away, you fools. Anal gaping in the Town Day parade isn't appropriate and no ether are military style fashion guns in civilian hands. cut the shiat or get your guns taken away you assholes.

Hey, aren't you supposed to be saying "No one is going to take your guns away"? You should stay on message.

He switches every other thread. This thread is concern trolling.

Next thread he is back to nobody wants to ban guns.

I'm pretty consistent about wanting to ban AR-style guns. they are out loud crappy tech,  fashion statement toy guns, with no real value, and only designed to give the user a tactical hard on. They are antithetical to common sense, actual knowledge about firearms and the great firearm traditions of this country, and their users are almost certain to be ignant morons. They should be banned simply because we don't need a CIVILIAN paramilitary gun culture. This isn't a legal decision, its a cultural one. We don't want sex and vilence on TV, we don't want to walk around Topeka looking like its farking Somalia.

So don't blame me when the open carry tards and the hurr durr imma tactical dude assholes manage to frighten the rest of the country into taking your guns away, You could have had them if you kept your traps shut and didn't act like complete tacti-tard rejects from life and wave your gun penises in everyone's face. But you didn't.  So leave me and the 99 million other responsible gun owners alone, and cry in your beer, tacti-idiots.


Switching in the same thread. Nice.

You should probably calm down if you aren't trolling. If you are just trolling you should still tone it down a bit.
 
2013-03-12 10:34:44 PM

MichiganFTL: When did we become a nation of pants-wetting sissy's who are scared of anything black and/or gun-shaped?


Good question, may have been the early-1970's - that was when toy and department stores stopped selling quasi-realistic-looking toy guns.

If you believe every gun is a threat because there's a few nuts out there, do you believe every Muslim is a threat because there's a few who flew planes into buildings on 9/11 ?

/all priests diddle boys
 
2013-03-12 10:37:30 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: arentol: There is basically no better choice for home defense than an AR-15.

I disagree, one of two weapons are better for home defense in a pinch and don't need 5.56 mm rifle ammunition. One is a pistol, easy to hold, lightweight, easy to store in a secure box in your bedroom, plus the pistol is easier to handle in tight spaces when you have to search your own house and it's easier to clear corners with a pistol than a long rifle like the AR-15. The other is a pump action shotgun, not for the weapon's ability to suppress and/or kill the target, but the psychological effect it puts on a person who just broke into your home hearing the weapon being cocked, they'll run out the front door in a hurry and you won't have to waste ammunition.  The AR-15 is too long to be an effective weapon in close quarters unless you live in a mansion!


Personally, I prefer something that uses black powder. Makes one helluva sound. If you somehow don't hit the intruder, they WILL shiat themselves because they will think you are firing a cannon at them. :P
 
2013-03-12 10:37:46 PM

willfullyobscure: Benjamin Orr: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: man, get these things out of public view and quick or get your guns taken away, you fools. Anal gaping in the Town Day parade isn't appropriate and no ether are military style fashion guns in civilian hands. cut the shiat or get your guns taken away you assholes.

Hey, aren't you supposed to be saying "No one is going to take your guns away"? You should stay on message.

He switches every other thread. This thread is concern trolling.

Next thread he is back to nobody wants to ban guns.

I'm pretty consistent about wanting to ban AR-style guns. they are out loud crappy tech,  fashion statement toy guns, with no real value, and only designed to give the user a tactical hard on. They are antithetical to common sense, actual knowledge about firearms and the great firearm traditions of this country, and their users are almost certain to be ignant morons. They should be banned simply because we don't need a CIVILIAN paramilitary gun culture. This isn't a legal decision, its a cultural one. We don't want sex and vilence on TV, we don't want to walk around Topeka looking like its farking Somalia.

So don't blame me when the open carry tards and the hurr durr imma tactical dude assholes manage to frighten the rest of the country into taking your guns away, You could have had them if you kept your traps shut and didn't act like complete tacti-tard rejects from life and wave your gun penises in everyone's face. But you didn't.  So leave me and the 99 million other responsible gun owners alone, and cry in your beer, tacti-idiots.


OH I GET IT! You're a Fudd! Very cute, shouldn't you have mentioned that all people need are revolvers and muskets?
 
2013-03-12 10:40:00 PM

semiotix: The problem is that they're using a Little League for maximum gun-trolling and attention-whoring. It's been a few months, and not enough people were pissing their pants about guns, so some people who enjoy and/or profit from seeing that happen decided to use some 8-to-12-year-olds as an excuse to gin up some media attention.


No, it's more like they're using the interests of a rural area to make money for the team. Fundraisers are like that.

Not everything is trolling and attention-whoring. Gun raffles are very popular where I live. They wouldn't be popular in New York City.  Then again, what kind of fundraiser would be popular in New York City right now?
 
2013-03-12 10:41:44 PM

Amos Quito: Benjamin Orr: I don't want to get into the circle jerk of which weapon is best for home defense... But can we please stop this bullshiat about how the sound of a pump action makes criminals shiat their pants and run away?


Hey, I'm no ITG.

In the (highly unlikely) event that I should be prowling through the darkened corridors of some stranger's house, the sound of a pump shotgun action would get both my feet AND my bowels moving - and fast.


/Short range, shotguns are wicked MF's
// 00
/// 000


I am going to assume you are not the typical robbet with a history of making bad choices. Will some run away? Probably. Acting like the sound is some magical charm that scares everybody away is just stupid though.

All you have to do is watch the news or read fark to see examples of criminals doing things that sane people would never even consider.
 
2013-03-12 10:41:59 PM

willfullyobscure: 'm pretty consistent about wanting to ban AR-style guns. they are out loud crappy tech, fashion statement toy guns, with no real value, and only designed to give the user a tactical hard on.


Also, the single longest consistently used military firearm.

willfullyobscure: n. They are antithetical to common sense, actual knowledge about firearms and the great firearm traditions of this country,


The fark?

willfullyobscure: we don't need a CIVILIAN paramilitary gun culture


Yes, the government and police departments should be the sole arbiter of a gun culture.

willfullyobscure: This isn't a legal decision, its a cultural one.


And you should not be the arbiter of my culture. It is OK if you wish to opt out, I would think no less of you. I merely request the same level of respect.

willfullyobscure: So don't blame me when the open carry tards and the hurr durr imma tactical dude assholes manage to frighten the rest of the country into taking your guns away, You could have had them if you kept your traps shut and didn't act like complete tacti-tard rejects from life and wave your gun penises in everyone's face.


I agree with your reasons, and disagree with your suggestion that they qualify for the revocation of rights.

willfullyobscure: So leave me and the 99 million other responsible gun owners alone, and cry in your beer, tacti-idiots.


Herpa Derpa Fudd, random suggestion concerning your preferred methods of fornication with various fauna, and other things which would be appropriate for a response to your last statement.

/unless that was a troll... in which case, brilliant!
 
2013-03-12 10:43:40 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: semiotix: The problem is that they're using a Little League for maximum gun-trolling and attention-whoring. It's been a few months, and not enough people were pissing their pants about guns, so some people who enjoy and/or profit from seeing that happen decided to use some 8-to-12-year-olds as an excuse to gin up some media attention.

No, it's more like they're using the interests of a rural area to make money for the team. Fundraisers are like that.

Not everything is trolling and attention-whoring. Gun raffles are very popular where I live. They wouldn't be popular in New York City.  Then again, what kind of fundraiser would be popular in New York City right now?


Large sodas?
 
2013-03-12 10:45:10 PM

Benjamin Orr: Amos Quito: Benjamin Orr: I don't want to get into the circle jerk of which weapon is best for home defense... But can we please stop this bullshiat about how the sound of a pump action makes criminals shiat their pants and run away?


Hey, I'm no ITG.

In the (highly unlikely) event that I should be prowling through the darkened corridors of some stranger's house, the sound of a pump shotgun action would get both my feet AND my bowels moving - and fast.


/Short range, shotguns are wicked MF's
// 00
/// 000

I am going to assume you are not the typical robbet with a history of making bad choices. Will some run away? Probably. Acting like the sound is some magical charm that scares everybody away is just stupid though.

All you have to do is watch the news or read fark to see examples of criminals doing things that sane people would never even consider.


Though the world today seems to make one wonder... who is sane anymore. We have a diagnosis for everything now, even behavior which just a few short years ago would have been considered "normal". But I do believe our bodies of govt. and associated entities are hopelessly corrupt at this point (not tinfoil hat corrupt, but corrupt nevertheless).
 
2013-03-12 10:45:58 PM

GUTSU: OH I GET IT! You're a Fudd! Very cute, shouldn't you have mentioned that all people need are revolvers and muskets?


Had he done that he wouldn't be a Fudd, he'd have taken it to the next level and become a ZUMBO!
 
2013-03-12 10:46:35 PM
Prepares for massive NRA sponsorship.
 
2013-03-12 10:46:41 PM
Everyone is missing the point.

Charidy Butcher=Dance Mom
 
2013-03-12 10:47:51 PM

Amos Quito: Benjamin Orr: I don't want to get into the circle jerk of which weapon is best for home defense... But can we please stop this bullshiat about how the sound of a pump action makes criminals shiat their pants and run away?


Hey, I'm no ITG.

In the (highly unlikely) event that I should be prowling through the darkened corridors of some stranger's house, the sound of a pump shotgun action would get both my feet AND my bowels moving - and fast.


/Short range, shotguns are wicked MF's
// 00
/// 000


#1 shot is optimal.  You only get 7 shots on a pump, 6 on a semiauto. The impact area at room distances is the caliber of your shotgun.  (the cup would still be with the shot) That magical sound of the pumping action is a myth. Finally, ANY manually cycled firearm (pump, lever, even bolt) can result in short stroking when the shooter is under pressure. Shotguns can seize the action, or fail to eject a spent cartridge. This is why I can not recommend a shotgun for home defense.

/I too have a shotgun, and "It never jams, never ever. Except that time when the oprod bound up because I twisted it)
 
2013-03-12 10:47:51 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: GUTSU: OH I GET IT! You're a Fudd! Very cute, shouldn't you have mentioned that all people need are revolvers and muskets?

Had he done that he wouldn't be a Fudd, he'd have taken it to the next level and become a ZUMBO!


Zumbo shouldn't have sucked H&K Kock so hard, he might still be published.
 
2013-03-12 10:51:21 PM
The sound of a pump shotgun has got nothing on the growl of a German Shepherd.
 
2013-03-12 10:52:13 PM

badhatharry: The sound of a pump shotgun has got nothing on the growl of a German Shepherd.


^- greatest piece of advice given so far.
 
2013-03-12 10:55:36 PM
I bought a raffle ticket for a left handed m-14 the other day.

www.imfdb.org


/crossing fingers
 
2013-03-12 10:56:02 PM
"Their fundraiser last year only raised $10."
 
2013-03-12 10:56:25 PM
Nobody has mentioned using a bat on a home intruder.

There was a time when I caught someone looting through my swag.

I caught him with my Louisville Slugger, across the kidneys, across his ribs, and across a knee when he wanted to take off.

He also got a sound thrashing by hand, and a free ride in an ambulance, with several days of bed rest, while restrained to his hospital bed, so he wouldn't wander off.

Yeah he got me back though, had to rent a carpet cleaner to get all of the pisz, puke, and blood out of the carpet.

Even got the District Attorney to look into my "taking the law into my own hands", nothing came of it though.

/lucky the wife wasn't home
//she's a great shot
///wanna see the scar she gave me?
 
2013-03-12 10:57:39 PM

Benjamin Orr: Amos Quito: Benjamin Orr: I don't want to get into the circle jerk of which weapon is best for home defense... But can we please stop this bullshiat about how the sound of a pump action makes criminals shiat their pants and run away?


Hey, I'm no ITG.

In the (highly unlikely) event that I should be prowling through the darkened corridors of some stranger's house, the sound of a pump shotgun action would get both my feet AND my bowels moving - and fast.


/Short range, shotguns are wicked MF's
// 00
/// 000

I am going to assume you are not the typical robbet with a history of making bad choices. Will some run away? Probably. Acting like the sound is some magical charm that scares everybody away is just stupid though.

All you have to do is watch the news or read fark to see examples of criminals doing things that sane people would never even consider.



Heh!

You're right. I guess I'm just not cut out for a career of thuggery.

The curse of foresight, I suppose.

But if the sound of the action of a pump shotgun won't make them shiat their pants, the consequences of discharge will make shiat ooze through their abdominal walls.

So at least there's that.
 
2013-03-12 10:57:50 PM

willfullyobscure: Benjamin Orr: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: man, get these things out of public view and quick or get your guns taken away, you fools. Anal gaping in the Town Day parade isn't appropriate and no ether are military style fashion guns in civilian hands. cut the shiat or get your guns taken away you assholes.

Hey, aren't you supposed to be saying "No one is going to take your guns away"? You should stay on message.

He switches every other thread. This thread is concern trolling.

Next thread he is back to nobody wants to ban guns.

I'm pretty consistent about wanting to ban AR-style guns. they are out loud crappy tech,  fashion statement toy guns, with no real value, and only designed to give the user a tactical hard on. They are antithetical to common sense, actual knowledge about firearms and the great firearm traditions of this country, and their users are almost certain to be ignant morons. They should be banned simply because we don't need a CIVILIAN paramilitary gun culture. This isn't a legal decision, its a cultural one. We don't want sex and vilence on TV, we don't want to walk around Topeka looking like its farking Somalia.

So don't blame me when the open carry tards and the hurr durr imma tactical dude assholes manage to frighten the rest of the country into taking your guns away, You could have had them if you kept your traps shut and didn't act like complete tacti-tard rejects from life and wave your gun penises in everyone's face. But you didn't.  So leave me and the 99 million other responsible gun owners alone, and cry in your beer, tacti-idiots.


I think it's trying to communicate.... What should we do?
 
2013-03-12 10:59:05 PM

badhatharry: The sound of a pump shotgun has got nothing on the growl of a German Shepherd.


Yeah, but you have to feed and take care of a German Shepherd.
 
2013-03-12 10:59:10 PM

GUTSU: [gifsforum.com image 494x359]

Let me sum up this entire thread.

People who hate guns, bait people that like guns. The word penis will be flung to both sides, and everyone is a racist, facist, ect, ect.



farm3.staticflickr.com

I'm not even gonna read the rest of this.
 
2013-03-12 11:00:50 PM

Ontos: I think it's trying to communicate.... What should we do?


My suggestion? Support him.
 
2013-03-12 11:01:34 PM

GUTSU: willfullyobscure: Benjamin Orr: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: . Anal gaping


OH I GET IT! You're a Fudd! Very cute, shouldn't you have mentioned that all people need are revolvers and muskets?


I'm a member of the CMP. Are you? Didn't think so, moron, that takes time and effort instead of buying a fashion package. What else do you not know about firearm culture, tacti-tard?
 
2013-03-12 11:03:00 PM

willfullyobscure: What else do you not know about firearm culture, tacti-tard?


I know that it has more faces than the one you present.
 
2013-03-12 11:03:00 PM

Amos Quito: Benjamin Orr: Amos Quito: Benjamin Orr: I don't want to get into the circle jerk of which weapon is best for home defense... But can we please stop this bullshiat about how the sound of a pump action makes criminals shiat their pants and run away?


Hey, I'm no ITG.

In the (highly unlikely) event that I should be prowling through the darkened corridors of some stranger's house, the sound of a pump shotgun action would get both my feet AND my bowels moving - and fast.


/Short range, shotguns are wicked MF's
// 00
/// 000

I am going to assume you are not the typical robbet with a history of making bad choices. Will some run away? Probably. Acting like the sound is some magical charm that scares everybody away is just stupid though.

All you have to do is watch the news or read fark to see examples of criminals doing things that sane people would never even consider.


Heh!

You're right. I guess I'm just not cut out for a career of thuggery.

The curse of foresight, I suppose.

But if the sound of the action of a pump shotgun won't make them shiat their pants, the consequences of discharge will make shiat ooze through their abdominal walls.

So at least there's that.


I am not going to deny what a 12 gauge with buckshot will do to a human body at close range. If I needed to try and put down an intruder quickly it would be high on my list.

I just would not try and scare him off by sound.
 
2013-03-12 11:03:30 PM

Yogimus: Ontos: I think it's trying to communicate.... What should we do?

My suggestion? Support him.


The Zumbo-Fudd guy?  Ehh... Not a chance.
 
2013-03-12 11:05:42 PM

willfullyobscure: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: Benjamin Orr: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: . Anal gaping


OH I GET IT! You're a Fudd! Very cute, shouldn't you have mentioned that all people need are revolvers and muskets?

I'm a member of the CMP. Are you? Didn't think so, moron, that takes time and effort instead of buying a fashion package. What else do you not know about firearm culture, tacti-tard?


Are you somewhere where you can check your blood pressure?
 
2013-03-12 11:05:46 PM

Ontos: Yogimus: Ontos: I think it's trying to communicate.... What should we do?

My suggestion? Support him.

The Zumbo-Fudd guy?  Ehh... Not a chance.


Why? I support him wholeheartedly in the enjoyment of his hobbies, and I wish him no ill.
 
2013-03-12 11:06:05 PM

willfullyobscure: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: Benjamin Orr: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: . Anal gaping


OH I GET IT! You're a Fudd! Very cute, shouldn't you have mentioned that all people need are revolvers and muskets?

I'm a member of the CMP. Are you? Didn't think so, moron, that takes time and effort instead of buying a fashion package. What else do you not know about firearm culture, tacti-tard?


I am.

Did you know they sell super-duper-scarey M1 Carbines?

They also qualify as "assault rifles".

Hell, In New York State, the M1 Garand does, too.
 
2013-03-12 11:07:34 PM
I do think it is really cute that the Fudds and other luddites think that bans would stop with semi auto rifles with removable magazines.
 
2013-03-12 11:11:10 PM

Yogimus: willfullyobscure: 'm pr


Also, the single longest consistently used military firearm.


A frank lie, or you're stupid, pick one. (here's a hint, genius, there are muskets that were used longer than the AR platform)

Yogimus: willfullyobscure: n. They are antithetical to common sense, actual knowledge about firearms and the great firearm traditions of this country,

The fark?



They are shiatty guns that are overpriced. I can outshoot any stock AR variant out of the box with a Marlin 60. That is not hyperbole. They are shiatty , over priced guns sold to idiots who don't understand them.

Yogimus: willfullyobscure: This isn't a legal decision, its a cultural one.And you should not be the arbiter of my culture. It is OK if you wish to opt out, I would think no less of you. I merely request the same level of respect.


fark you; you're carrying a deadly weapon you have no understanding of, or appreciation for its history , or its design purpose, and you want me to accept into my hunting camps and my ranges, which are populated by sane, grown, adults that understand why and what we shoot at, so no. fark you and get the fark away from me with those stupid, ugly, inaccurate fashion accessories you call rifles. You are ignorant and stupid and you are instrumenatl in getting our guns taken away.

You know what we call someone that hunts with a semi-automatic? Someone that likes to miss.
 
2013-03-12 11:16:41 PM

Ontos: willfullyobscure: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: Benjamin Orr: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: . Anal gaping


OH I GET IT! You're a Fudd! Very cute, shouldn't you have mentioned that all people need are revolvers and muskets?

I'm a member of the CMP. Are you? Didn't think so, moron, that takes time and effort instead of buying a fashion package. What else do you not know about firearm culture, tacti-tard?

I am.

Did you know they sell super-duper-scarey M1 Carbines?

They also qualify as "assault rifles".

Hell, In New York State, the M1 Garand does, too.


Post the results of your last Garand match competition. or STFU and vanish.
 
2013-03-12 11:16:53 PM

willfullyobscure: Yogimus: willfullyobscure: 'm pr


Also, the single longest consistently used military firearm.

A frank lie, or you're stupid, pick one. (here's a hint, genius, there are muskets that were used longer than the AR platform)

Yogimus: willfullyobscure: n. They are antithetical to common sense, actual knowledge about firearms and the great firearm traditions of this country,

The fark?


They are shiatty guns that are overpriced. I can outshoot any stock AR variant out of the box with a Marlin 60. That is not hyperbole. They are shiatty , over priced guns sold to idiots who don't understand them.

Yogimus: willfullyobscure: This isn't a legal decision, its a cultural one.And you should not be the arbiter of my culture. It is OK if you wish to opt out, I would think no less of you. I merely request the same level of respect.

fark you; you're carrying a deadly weapon you have no understanding of, or appreciation for its history , or its design purpose, and you want me to accept into my hunting camps and my ranges, which are populated by sane, grown, adults that understand why and what we shoot at, so no. fark you and get the fark away from me with those stupid, ugly, inaccurate fashion accessories you call rifles. You are ignorant and stupid and you are instrumenatl in getting our guns taken away.

You know what we call someone that hunts with a semi-automatic? Someone that likes to miss.


You might find this to be quite the conundrum, but I own an 1896, a 1938 karl gustav mauser, a remington 512, as well as more modern firearms.  Don't worry, they won't take your guns away.  (my tacticool milspec zombiehunter XTREME HD won't let them) I understand you are scared, and I respect your fears. I really do. Hopefully you will understand that appeasement won't keep you safe.
 
2013-03-12 11:19:35 PM

willfullyobscure: Yogimus: willfullyobscure: 'm pr


Also, the single longest consistently used military firearm.

A frank lie, or you're stupid, pick one. (here's a hint, genius, there are muskets that were used longer than the AR platform)

Yogimus: willfullyobscure: n. They are antithetical to common sense, actual knowledge about firearms and the great firearm traditions of this country,

The fark?


They are shiatty guns that are overpriced. I can outshoot any stock AR variant out of the box with a Marlin 60. That is not hyperbole. They are shiatty , over priced guns sold to idiots who don't understand them.

Yogimus: willfullyobscure: This isn't a legal decision, its a cultural one.And you should not be the arbiter of my culture. It is OK if you wish to opt out, I would think no less of you. I merely request the same level of respect.

fark you; you're carrying a deadly weapon you have no understanding of, or appreciation for its history , or its design purpose, and you want me to accept into my hunting camps and my ranges, which are populated by sane, grown, adults that understand why and what we shoot at, so no. fark you and get the fark away from me with those stupid, ugly, inaccurate fashion accessories you call rifles. You are ignorant and stupid and you are instrumenatl in getting our guns taken away.

You know what we call someone that hunts with a semi-automatic? Someone that likes to miss.


No.  No you can't.

Besides... Why are you using a semi-auto rifle (Marlin 60) as an example in a comment directed towards how awful semi-auto rifles are?

Is the Marlin OK because it uses a fixed magazine?

Is your semi-auto hate directed towards detachable box magazine rifles?

What about a Browning BAR?

I'm honestly a little curious about which rifles get your seal of approval and at which point it crosses over into complete spittle flinging hatred.
 
2013-03-12 11:20:06 PM

Yogimus: You might find this to be quite the conundrum, but I own an 1896, a 1938 karl gustav mauser, a remington 512, as well as more modern firearms.  Don't worry, they won't take your guns away.  (my tacticool milspec zombiehunter XTREME HD won't let them) I understand you are scared, and I respect your fears. I really do. Hopefully you will understand that appeasement won't keep you safe.


Exactly what do you think I'm afraid of? Articulate it in your own words. Bear in mind I've been shooting since I was 8 and I'm a gun owner.
 
2013-03-12 11:22:28 PM

willfullyobscure: I'm pretty consistent about wanting to ban AR-style guns. they are out loud crappy tech,  fashion statement toy guns, with no real value, and only designed to give the user a tactical hard on. They are antithetical to common sense, actual knowledge about firearms and the great firearm traditions of this country, and their users are almost certain to be ignant morons. They should be banned simply because we don't need a CIVILIAN paramilitary gun culture. This isn't a legal decision, its a cultural one. We don't want sex and vilence on TV, we don't want to walk around Topeka looking like its farking Somalia.


So you are saying that your opposition to legal civilian ownership of AR-pattern rifles is based entirely upon your demonstrably false generalization of individuals who own them, and not because such prohibition will in any way enhance public safety. Thank you for admitting that you are an authoritarian fascist.
 
2013-03-12 11:23:42 PM

willfullyobscure: Yogimus: You might find this to be quite the conundrum, but I own an 1896, a 1938 karl gustav mauser, a remington 512, as well as more modern firearms.  Don't worry, they won't take your guns away.  (my tacticool milspec zombiehunter XTREME HD won't let them) I understand you are scared, and I respect your fears. I really do. Hopefully you will understand that appeasement won't keep you safe.

Exactly what do you think I'm afraid of? Articulate it in your own words. Bear in mind I've been shooting since I was 8 and I'm a gun owner.


You're afraid of everything.  Therein lies the problem.
 
2013-03-12 11:24:46 PM

violentsalvation: You pants-shiatting anti-gun tards have built a hell of a soapbox on those 26 graves.



27. Killer's mom was a victim too. (just not at the same location)
 
2013-03-12 11:25:51 PM

willfullyobscure: Ontos: willfullyobscure: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: Benjamin Orr: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: . Anal gaping


OH I GET IT! You're a Fudd! Very cute, shouldn't you have mentioned that all people need are revolvers and muskets?

I'm a member of the CMP. Are you? Didn't think so, moron, that takes time and effort instead of buying a fashion package. What else do you not know about firearm culture, tacti-tard?

I am.

Did you know they sell super-duper-scarey M1 Carbines?

They also qualify as "assault rifles".

Hell, In New York State, the M1 Garand does, too.

Post the results of your last Garand match competition. or STFU and vanish.


Well... We're getting a little closer.  Garands (an assault rifle under the NYS "SAFE Act") is good to go.

How about a BM-59?

upload.wikimedia.org

It's just a modified M1 Garand, after all.

BTW... I haven't shot a High Power match with my Garand in for months.  Do I have to have shot a match within the past 90 days to stay?
 
2013-03-12 11:25:57 PM

willfullyobscure: Yogimus: You might find this to be quite the conundrum, but I own an 1896, a 1938 karl gustav mauser, a remington 512, as well as more modern firearms.  Don't worry, they won't take your guns away.  (my tacticool milspec zombiehunter XTREME HD won't let them) I understand you are scared, and I respect your fears. I really do. Hopefully you will understand that appeasement won't keep you safe.

Exactly what do you think I'm afraid of? Articulate it in your own words. Bear in mind I've been shooting since I was 8 and I'm a gun owner.


I would prefer you tell me in your own words. I am interpreting your hostility to be based out of a fear, and I am projecting my own values if I try to determine its root.

I grew up in a country where military marched down the street not to celebrate, but to keep people in line. The first gun I ever held was put into my hands by uncle sam, so I guess you beat me in the age department... but I think you lack the perspective.
 
2013-03-12 11:30:23 PM

willfullyobscure: Yogimus: You might find this to be quite the conundrum, but I own an 1896, a 1938 karl gustav mauser, a remington 512, as well as more modern firearms.  Don't worry, they won't take your guns away.  (my tacticool milspec zombiehunter XTREME HD won't let them) I understand you are scared, and I respect your fears. I really do. Hopefully you will understand that appeasement won't keep you safe.

Exactly what do you think I'm afraid of? Articulate it in your own words. Bear in mind I've been shooting since I was 8 and I'm a gun owner.


We're all trying to figure that out.  Apparently it lays somewhere between "M1 Garand" and "AR-15".

If you answer some more questions, it would help a bunch.

How do you feel about FAL's?  The originals had wood furniture, if that helps.
 
2013-03-12 11:33:46 PM

Benjamin Orr: willfullyobscure: man, get these things out of public view and quick or get your guns taken away, you fools. Anal gaping in the Town Day parade isn't appropriate and no ether are military style fashion guns in civilian hands. cut the shiat or get your guns taken away you assholes.

How about no... Does no work for you?


I'm with you man; they're our asses and we can do whatever we want with them!
 
2013-03-12 11:33:57 PM

Ontos: willfullyobscure: Ontos: willfullyobscure: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: Benjamin Orr: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: . Anal gaping


OH I GET IT! You're a Fudd! Very cute, shouldn't you have mentioned that all people need are revolvers and muskets?

I'm a member of the CMP. Are you? Didn't think so, moron, that takes time and effort instead of buying a fashion package. What else do you not know about firearm culture, tacti-tard?

I am.

Did you know they sell super-duper-scarey M1 Carbines?

They also qualify as "assault rifles".

Hell, In New York State, the M1 Garand does, too.

Post the results of your last Garand match competition. or STFU and vanish.

Well... We're getting a little closer.  Garands (an assault rifle under the NYS "SAFE Act") is good to go.

How about a BM-59?



It's just a modified M1 Garand, after all.

BTW... I haven't shot a High Power match with my Garand in for months.  Do I have to have shot a match within the past 90 days to stay?


Good thing the M1 isn't considered "military style" though... Since they were never used by the military or anything....

Pretty sure he is just trolling again.
 
2013-03-12 11:35:29 PM

ProfessorOhki: Benjamin Orr: willfullyobscure: man, get these things out of public view and quick or get your guns taken away, you fools. Anal gaping in the Town Day parade isn't appropriate and no ether are military style fashion guns in civilian hands. cut the shiat or get your guns taken away you assholes.

How about no... Does no work for you?

I'm with you man; they're our asses and we can do whatever we want with them!


Damn right! Keep politicians out of my asshole!
 
2013-03-12 11:36:44 PM
Can we just start calling them AR-15 Patrol Rifles? That's what they're called when the good guys in blue carry them to protect me in the suburbs!
 
2013-03-12 11:38:59 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: arentol: There is basically no better choice for home defense than an AR-15.

I disagree, one of two weapons are better for home defense in a pinch and don't need 5.56 mm rifle ammunition. One is a pistol, easy to hold, lightweight, easy to store in a secure box in your bedroom, plus the pistol is easier to handle in tight spaces when you have to search your own house and it's easier to clear corners with a pistol than a long rifle like the AR-15. The other is a pump action shotgun, not for the weapon's ability to suppress and/or kill the target, but the psychological effect it puts on a person who just broke into your home hearing the weapon being cocked, they'll run out the front door in a hurry and you won't have to waste ammunition.  The AR-15 is too long to be an effective weapon in close quarters unless you live in a mansion!


Tell that to the guys That spent literally 10 years kicking doors with ar-15 type weapons in Iraq. On a side note any defense expert that says the sound of a weapon racking will scare a badguy out of your house has obviously never met a criminal that has been shot. I mean just a month or two ago a guy got blasted when he broke through a sliding glass door to get into a home. He could see the home owner, he could see her shotgun, but apparently he didn't think she would shoot.
 
2013-03-12 11:41:42 PM

willfullyobscure: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: Benjamin Orr: GUTSU: willfullyobscure: . Anal gaping


OH I GET IT! You're a Fudd! Very cute, shouldn't you have mentioned that all people need are revolvers and muskets?

I'm a member of the CMP. Are you? Didn't think so, moron, that takes time and effort instead of buying a fashion package. What else do you not know about firearm culture, tacti-tard?


Ooooh cmp talk to me once you've shot a uspsa match. That takes real skill.
 
2013-03-12 11:45:17 PM

youmightberight: Ooooh cmp talk to me once you've shot a uspsa match. That takes real skill.


Potatoes on toothpicks.. 100 meters. Iron sights.  (.22lr)
 
2013-03-12 11:45:50 PM
I own a rock river. I haven't killed anyone with it but it is a balls accurate flawless rifle. I must buy for all of us racist conservatives.

/elite a4
 
2013-03-12 11:49:04 PM

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: I own a rock river. I haven't killed anyone with it but it is a balls accurate flawless rifle. I must buy for all of us racist conservatives.

/elite a4


I just heard a Marlin 60 can shoot rings around it...

/I know, I know... I made that same face when I heard it.
 
2013-03-12 11:49:55 PM

willfullyobscure: Yogimus: willfullyobscure: 'm pr


Also, the single longest consistently used military firearm.

A frank lie, or you're stupid, pick one. (here's a hint, genius, there are muskets that were used longer than the AR platform)

Yogimus: willfullyobscure: n. They are antithetical to common sense, actual knowledge about firearms and the great firearm traditions of this country,

The fark?


They are shiatty guns that are overpriced. I can outshoot any stock AR variant out of the box with a Marlin 60. That is not hyperbole. They are shiatty , over priced guns sold to idiots who don't understand them.

Yogimus: willfullyobscure: This isn't a legal decision, its a cultural one.And you should not be the arbiter of my culture. It is OK if you wish to opt out, I would think no less of you. I merely request the same level of respect.

fark you; you're carrying a deadly weapon you have no understanding of, or appreciation for its history , or its design purpose, and you want me to accept into my hunting camps and my ranges, which are populated by sane, grown, adults that understand why and what we shoot at, so no. fark you and get the fark away from me with those stupid, ugly, inaccurate fashion accessories you call rifles. You are ignorant and stupid and you are instrumenatl in getting our guns taken away.

You know what we call someone that hunts with a semi-automatic? Someone that likes to miss.


Yeah you've super zumbo'd.

Here is a hint I shoot coyotes at 400yds with my junk fashion accessory. I hunt hogs with 300blk in the same gun. You know what a person with a scoped bolt action is? A beltway "sniper" in hiding. (this is not my personal opinion but a direct quote from a progressive "friend")

If you're too dumb to see they want every bangstick off the streets and in the caring hands of our gov. then I'm not sure there is hope for you..
 
2013-03-12 11:55:42 PM

syrynxx: Assault rifles are fully-automatic weapons, you retard.  This is not an assault rifle.


look again, they have taken to tacking "style" in there somewhere. military "style" weapon, etc.
 
2013-03-13 12:01:00 AM
I don't see a problem either. The farking gun didn't kill anyone. The asshole behind the trigger did. Or should we just keep vomiting blame on the weapon instead of the person who committed the crime?
We all try to find blame for that shooting. I choose to blame the shooter, instead of the weapon he used. If a drunk driver driving a 2013 caddy slammed into the side of a school bus and killed all the kids, would you call for banning all caddy's? No. Or a train? No. You don't blame the tool, you blame the person who uses it in a bad way. But i guess it's easier to rail at an inanimate object now that the damage has been done. And yes, they have every right to see wtf they want. This is still America, kind of.
 
2013-03-13 12:01:23 AM

TomD9938: So long as they dont let some FPS gamer nerd get his hands on it.


Yeah, make sure it gets into the hands of a nice drunkard or an uptight office worker.

/gamers are just so unstable
 
2013-03-13 12:08:09 AM

SanjiSasuke: TomD9938: So long as they dont let some FPS gamer nerd get his hands on it.

Yeah, make sure it gets into the hands of a nice drunkard or an uptight office worker.

/gamers are just so unstable


I heard literacy leads to violence. Look how many of the school shooters took English classes.
 
2013-03-13 12:10:49 AM

Yogimus: SanjiSasuke: TomD9938: So long as they dont let some FPS gamer nerd get his hands on it.

Yeah, make sure it gets into the hands of a nice drunkard or an uptight office worker.

/gamers are just so unstable

I heard literacy leads to violence. Look how many of the school shooters took English classes.


I heard that exposure to dihydrogen monoxide cause violent tendencies.
 
2013-03-13 12:12:07 AM
I have hair growing out of my head which is similar to the hair of the Sandy Hook killer. What should I do?
 
2013-03-13 12:18:26 AM

Ontos: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: I own a rock river. I haven't killed anyone with it but it is a balls accurate flawless rifle. I must buy for all of us racist conservatives.

/elite a4

I just heard a Marlin 60 can shoot rings around it...

/I know, I know... I made that same face when I heard it.


Thats why Rock River has a contract with some LEO/Feds for Marlin 60's obviously.
 
2013-03-13 12:19:54 AM

Benjamin Orr: violentsalvation: You pants-shiatting anti-gun tards have built a hell of a soapbox on those 26 graves.

20 graves. Nobody seems to give a fark about the adults.


say what, obama gave them medals. the man can't close gitmo which pisses me off but this, this is farking nuts. there is no excuse for this blatant pandering. shame on him.

Obama posthumously awarded the 2012 Presidential Citizens Medal to the six educators who died during the school shooting that also claimed the lives of 20 children.
 
2013-03-13 12:20:48 AM

treesloth: I have hair growing out of my head which is similar to the hair of the Sandy Hook killer. What should I do?


Don't panic yet.  Do you also have 2 implements at the ends of your arms with 4 digits and an additional opposable digit on each implement? Cause then it might be time to worry.
 
2013-03-13 12:20:54 AM

Giltric: Ontos: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: I own a rock river. I haven't killed anyone with it but it is a balls accurate flawless rifle. I must buy for all of us racist conservatives.

/elite a4

I just heard a Marlin 60 can shoot rings around it...

/I know, I know... I made that same face when I heard it.

Thats why Rock River has a contract with some LEO/Feds for Marlin 60's obviously.


Obviously, only professionals should be trusted with a weapon as deadly accurate as the Marlin 60.
 
2013-03-13 12:26:42 AM

Ontos: Giltric: Ontos: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: I own a rock river. I haven't killed anyone with it but it is a balls accurate flawless rifle. I must buy for all of us racist conservatives.

/elite a4

I just heard a Marlin 60 can shoot rings around it...

/I know, I know... I made that same face when I heard it.

Thats why Rock River has a contract with some LEO/Feds for Marlin 60's obviously.

Obviously, only professionals should be trusted with a weapon as deadly accurate as the Marlin 60.


Plus it is high capacity with a high rate of fire. In fact it will shoot as fast any other assault rifle available.
 
2013-03-13 12:28:19 AM

Benjamin Orr: Ontos: Giltric: Ontos: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: I own a rock river. I haven't killed anyone with it but it is a balls accurate flawless rifle. I must buy for all of us racist conservatives.

/elite a4

I just heard a Marlin 60 can shoot rings around it...

/I know, I know... I made that same face when I heard it.

Thats why Rock River has a contract with some LEO/Feds for Marlin 60's obviously.

Obviously, only professionals should be trusted with a weapon as deadly accurate as the Marlin 60.

Plus it is high capacity with a high rate of fire. In fact it will shoot as fast any other assault rifle available.


I just pee'd in my pants a little... Just from reading that.

Thanks a lot, guy.
 
2013-03-13 12:28:21 AM
Next year, a W88 two stage thermonuclear warhead! Only to be used for home defense, and subjugation of small island countries not friends of the good old US of A! The guys are the gun club will swoon over this baby!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-13 12:30:45 AM

youmightberight: Tell that to the guys That spent literally 10 years kicking doors with ar-15 type weapons in Iraq


The guys in Iraq are kicking in doors with offense in mind.  If you're in your home, any reputable home-defense class will teach you to barricade and defend. That completely changes the game insofar as what may be more beneficial to you.

A husband, wife and child in a split floor plan house could effectively barricade themselves down a hallway with a saiga-12 and repel just about anything that dared to come near.  Of course, every home defense situation is different based on your home, your ability and what you are looking to protect.  I'm not going to tell anyone what they "need" and if someone wants to nerd it up with their AR, and turn it into a range queen, that is their business.
 
2013-03-13 12:34:23 AM

Yogimus: The impact area at room distances is the caliber of your shotgun.


i have a 18 1/2 barrel and while is been some time since i shot it IIRC with 00 buck it opened up more than that.
 
2013-03-13 12:35:10 AM
An assault rifle didn't kill those kids.  Some nutcase wielding a gun killed those children.  An inanimate object does not kill.

This gun paranoia is becoming quite annoying.
 
2013-03-13 12:37:46 AM
Am I the only one who feels caught in the middle between crazy jackasses? A certain vocal part of the gun rights set would have me believe it's perfectly reasonable for people to walk around with high-power, high capacity rifles anywhere and everywhere, and that even questioning the idea is tantamount to being a communist. Meanwhile the anti-gun people would have me believe that if I so much as play a video game like Grand Theft Auto I have effectively engaged in genocide against all the babies of the world. I may be naive, but there's probably a middle ground where the people who aren't great big coonts live.
 
2013-03-13 12:45:29 AM

lolpix: Am I the only one who feels caught in the middle between crazy jackasses? A certain vocal part of the gun rights set would have me believe it's perfectly reasonable for people to walk around with high-power, high capacity rifles anywhere and everywhere, and that even questioning the idea is tantamount to being a communist. Meanwhile the anti-gun people would have me believe that if I so much as play a video game like Grand Theft Auto I have effectively engaged in genocide against all the babies of the world. I may be naive, but there's probably a middle ground where the people who aren't great big coonts live.


That is probably where 90% of gun owners stay.

Curious: Yogimus: The impact area at room distances is the caliber of your shotgun.

i have a 18 1/2 barrel and while is been some time since i shot it IIRC with 00 buck it opened up more than that.


Depends on whether you use wadding or a shot cup design.  An average room is what... 10 yards or so?  The cup stays with the shot for about 3 yards or so.  I get about 6 inches of spread at that distance. (same size barrel, cylinder choke)
 
2013-03-13 12:46:00 AM

part of the problem: President Merkin Muffley: arentol: There is basically no better choice for home defense than an AR-15.

lol

Of course there are better choices, depending on the home in question and other factors. But it's no one's business if you want to own one to defend your home or just because you like the way the light bounces off the muzzle at dawn.

(I live in a subdivision so I wouldn't dream of needing one to "defend the home" but down on the farm they are an ideal tool.)


http://how-i-did-it.org/drywall/results.html

As you can see, if you use high velocity 40grain .223 for home defense you essentially can not penetrate 3 sheets of drywall unless you shoot repeatedly through the same hole. Meanwhile, almost any of the commonly recommended handgun rounds easily penetrate 3 sheets of drywall. Combine this with all the other benefits of an AR-15 and it (as well as some other .223 rifles) are pretty clearly a top choice for home defense, well above any handgun or shotguns (shotguns have similar one-hit stop capabilities, and similar penetration characteristics, but they kick way more and carry less rounds).
 
2013-03-13 12:49:32 AM

lolpix: Am I the only one who feels caught in the middle between crazy jackasses? A certain vocal part of the gun rights set would have me believe it's perfectly reasonable for people to walk around with high-power, high capacity rifles anywhere and everywhere, and that even questioning the idea is tantamount to being a communist. Meanwhile the anti-gun people would have me believe that if I so much as play a video game like Grand Theft Auto I have effectively engaged in genocide against all the babies of the world. I may be naive, but there's probably a middle ground where the people who aren't great big coonts live.


I know that feel. Unfortunately, political pragmatism seems to be a dying ideology in this country.
 
2013-03-13 12:51:20 AM

Yogimus: A certain vocal part of the gun rights set would have me believe it's perfectly reasonable for people to walk around with high-power, high capacity rifles anywhere and everywhere, and that even questioning the idea is tantamount to being a communist.


Ironically, they are neither "high-power" or "high-capacity". They fire an intermediate round, and the magazines designed for the weapons are standard-capacity magazines. The hunting rifles that the Fudds go to great lengths to defend and that the gun-control people claim they don't want to take are much more high-powered than an AR-15, which is essentially a hot-loaded .22.

I mean, if people can make up any characterizations they want, we certainly have the right to take back the language.
 
2013-03-13 12:55:59 AM
You know, for kids.
 
2013-03-13 01:01:35 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Yogimus: A certain vocal part of the gun rights set would have me believe it's perfectly reasonable for people to walk around with high-power, high capacity rifles anywhere and everywhere, and that even questioning the idea is tantamount to being a communist.

Ironically, they are neither "high-power" or "high-capacity". They fire an intermediate round, and the magazines designed for the weapons are standard-capacity magazines. The hunting rifles that the Fudds go to great lengths to defend and that the gun-control people claim they don't want to take are much more high-powered than an AR-15, which is essentially a hot-loaded .22.

I mean, if people can make up any characterizations they want, we certainly have the right to take back the language.


And god forbid black powder. Those farking morons have gunpowder in 20lb barrels IN APARTMENTS. Like.. right next door to you.  And do you really want people to shoot untraceable bullets? Because that is what shotguns do. Shoot someone with a shotgun, and the police will NEVER be able to match the gun to the projectiles.  Sounds like something only a criminal would use. Rimfire ammo? Obviously an assassin's tool. Who else but an assassin use such quiet ammunition.
 
2013-03-13 01:04:38 AM
I don't have a problem with it either. What I do have a problem with is an article like this mentioning Sandy Hook when it has absolutely nothing to do with the story.
 
2013-03-13 01:06:52 AM

Make Way For Ducklings: Dimensio: cheesegobbler: Wait, I thought they came out and said the "assault rifle" was in the trunk of the car and he just used pistols for all the killing.

You are mistaken.

Four handguns were used in the shootings, right?


Four handguns as confirmed by the chief editor of NBC, IIRC. I've yet to hear anything public about the fact that an AR <b>wasn't</b> in the car. I guess when you are the media you get to conveniently forget about the video of the cops going through Lanza's car and finding what is obviously a loaded semi-automatic shotgun.
 
2013-03-13 01:07:03 AM
The proper weapon for home defense is a 20 gauge youth model, pump-action shotgun with #4 buckshot. See Remington 870....

Youth model is easily handled by women and teens. 20 ga #4 will hit with the same energy as 2x .45 ACP rounds and will hit the required penetration depth without over penetration. Yet has less recoil than 12 ga. Also pump action shotguns should be used due to their simplicity and reliability.

/thanks for playing
 
2013-03-13 01:11:19 AM

fusillade762: Oh good, another gun thread. Haven't had one of those for almost 12 hours.


You've been asleep for 11.5 hours?
 
2013-03-13 01:13:30 AM

painless42: Youth model is easily handled by women and teens. 20 ga #4 will hit with the same energy as 2x .45 ACP rounds and will hit the required penetration depth without over penetration. Yet has less recoil than 12 ga. Also pump action shotguns should be used due to their simplicity and reliability.


I recommend a semiauto if you go shotgun, less chance of user error.  Short stroking is a real and dangerous thing. #1 shot i sthe best compromise to reach the FBI mandated 10 inch penetration requirement, but at home ranges on a frontal shot #4 will do just fine.
Of course, if you are familiar with your firearm, and practice, pump shotties are great.
 
2013-03-13 01:24:44 AM
They could have had the damn decency to give an address where one could purchase a ticket.

I wonder if the winner has to go through a background check?  They should at least have to do that.
 
2013-03-13 02:16:13 AM
No one needs a farking assault rifle (spare me the jargon semantics). They are toys for hobbyists. And to all of the "liberal" gun nuts. You're on the same side as Ted farking Nugent and Alex Jones shouldn't that clue in that enlightened noggin of yours.
 
2013-03-13 02:17:18 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: DarkSoulNoHope: the pistol is easier to handle in tight spaces when you have to search your own house and it's easier to clear corners with a pistol than a long rifle like the AR-15. The other is a pump action shotgun, not for the weapon's ability to suppress and/or kill the target, but the psychological effect

That's pretty much what they said in the class I took in home defense. They also taught us how to hold a pistol and a mini mag flashlight while effectively and safely clearing our homes in the dark. Not only did I learn a lot, it was a fun class. That's always a bonus.

/oh, and one of the instructor dudes was HAWT


All quite the pile of bullshiat.

Best "home defense"?  Before you go to bed, move the clip off the top of your handy flower bed "this side towards enemy" sign around the opposite porch post then turn off the safety and take it to bed with you.

You shiats all talk about "home defense" and are talking about handguns.  The people you actually NEED to defend against already know how to handle em better than you do and WILL KILL YOU if they see one in your hand.  Paintball landmines are more reliable than a handgun.  Camera flashes set to motion detection are better than a handgun.  A farkING BOAT HORN WITH A TRIP WIRE IS BETTER THAN A HANDGUN.

Any weapon that requires a stock or sights of any kind is useless in home defense.  There's no fear of them and squeezing off a few rounds of .223 is a sad joke that only endangers your neighbors.

A stupid dog is better home defense than an armed guard.
 
2013-03-13 02:26:17 AM

prjindigo: Real Women Drink Akvavit: DarkSoulNoHope: the pistol is easier to handle in tight spaces when you have to search your own house and it's easier to clear corners with a pistol than a long rifle like the AR-15. The other is a pump action shotgun, not for the weapon's ability to suppress and/or kill the target, but the psychological effect

That's pretty much what they said in the class I took in home defense. They also taught us how to hold a pistol and a mini mag flashlight while effectively and safely clearing our homes in the dark. Not only did I learn a lot, it was a fun class. That's always a bonus.

/oh, and one of the instructor dudes was HAWT

All quite the pile of bullshiat.

Best "home defense"?  Before you go to bed, move the clip off the top of your handy flower bed "this side towards enemy" sign around the opposite porch post then turn off the safety and take it to bed with you.

You shiats all talk about "home defense" and are talking about handguns.  The people you actually NEED to defend against already know how to handle em better than you do and WILL KILL YOU if they see one in your hand.  Paintball landmines are more reliable than a handgun.  Camera flashes set to motion detection are better than a handgun.  A farkING BOAT HORN WITH A TRIP WIRE IS BETTER THAN A HANDGUN.

Any weapon that requires a stock or sights of any kind is useless in home defense.  There's no fear of them and squeezing off a few rounds of .223 is a sad joke that only endangers your neighbors.

A stupid dog is better home defense than an armed guard.


/standingovation.jpeg
 
2013-03-13 02:55:53 AM
Are those worth $10,000 yet?
 
2013-03-13 02:56:39 AM
Because only rich people should own arms. As the god of the Jews intended.
 
2013-03-13 03:12:27 AM

PDid: No one needs a farking assault rifle (spare me the jargon semantics). They are toys for hobbyists. And to all of the "liberal" gun nuts. You're on the same side as Ted farking Nugent and Alex Jones shouldn't that clue in that enlightened noggin of yours.


Please, tell us why we don't need what you define as an assault weapon, and why what you think we do or don't need has anything to do with our rights. Study the guns, compare them to other guns on the market and tell me why these select few features of an "assault weapon" make a gun so dangerous and taboo. Then look at the few crimes these rifles are used in compared to gun crimes as a whole. I could keep going on but by now I've realized that it all comes down to what you want to be spared from, the jargon and semantics, that your anti-gun side owns.

"Assault weapons-just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms-are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons."

-Josh Sugarmann founder and director of the VPC.

On a direct point, you're right, I don't NEED them. I use one of my "assault rifles" when I hunt coyotes, but I could use something else. Yet given everything I've typed, I don't think you can give me a reason why I shouldn't have the blah guns. And that puts you in bed with common sense, Alex and Ted are just broken clocks.

So, in short, I respectfully disagree.
 
2013-03-13 03:15:22 AM

prjindigo: Any weapon that requires a stock or sights of any kind is useless in home defense. There's no fear of them and squeezing off a few rounds of .223 is a sad joke that only endangers your neighbors.


Thats part of the allure of the AR platform. You can apply for the tax stamp and make or buy an SBR with a 7.5 inch barrel. They even make pistol versions of ARs nowadays with an altered buffer tube and spring further shortening the weapon.

There is a reason law enforcement agencies who are tasked with going into dwellings to clear out bad guys in populated suburban and city settings use the AR and do not have to evacuate the surrounding homes due to fear of over penetration of the .223 round.
 
2013-03-13 03:28:01 AM
It's pretty hilarious to watch dipshiats get terrified about things that do not matter in any way, shape, or form.
 
2013-03-13 05:36:28 AM

Giltric: I bought a raffle ticket for a left handed m-14 the other day.

[www.imfdb.org image 600x255]


/crossing fingers

If this is a troll, it is pure evil!!!!  A wrong handed M14?    WHERE!

/they make a wrong handed Aimpoint too?
 
2013-03-13 06:22:52 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Oh boy it's this thread again.


^
 
2013-03-13 06:53:15 AM
so they are raffling off 2 handguns then?
 
2013-03-13 08:10:39 AM
Sandy Hook is the new 9/11

SANDY HOOK!
 
2013-03-13 08:14:57 AM
I'm scared, that gun almost looks like a pop tart my kid had the other day.  Should I call Obama and have him take it away?
 
2013-03-13 08:27:02 AM
No different than raffling off a car like ones use in drunk driving accidents or high speed chases that end in fatality.
 
2013-03-13 08:37:30 AM

GUTSU: people were allowed to own SBRs it would be more effective.



I use this for all my SBR needs.
media.liveauctiongroup.net

Plus the 7.63 round works well against low level body armor.
 
2013-03-13 08:55:54 AM
More people are murdered with hammers that "assault" weapons and nobody would have a problem if they were raffling off a hammer
 
2013-03-13 09:31:36 AM

Yogimus: painless42: Youth model is easily handled by women and teens. 20 ga #4 will hit with the same energy as 2x .45 ACP rounds and will hit the required penetration depth without over penetration. Yet has less recoil than 12 ga. Also pump action shotguns should be used due to their simplicity and reliability.

I recommend a semiauto if you go shotgun, less chance of user error.  Short stroking is a real and dangerous thing. #1 shot i sthe best compromise to reach the FBI mandated 10 inch penetration requirement, but at home ranges on a frontal shot #4 will do just fine.
Of course, if you are familiar with your firearm, and practice, pump shotties are great.


a SxS coach gun is an excellent choice for home defense; yet more reliable and simpler to use than the semiauto.
 
2013-03-13 09:37:49 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I don't see any problem either. Of course, I recognize that it's just a rifle, and that it's the user and not the machine that dictates the behavior.


How dare you be logical.
 
2013-03-13 09:52:21 AM

President Merkin Muffley: arentol: There is basically no better choice for home defense than an AR-15.

lol


Yea I got a good laugh at that too. In that situation a shotgun is going to be just as intimidating, wont require as much accuracy, and is far less likely to shoot through walls and kill your kid in the process. We may have both just eaten some troll bait though... not sure
 
2013-03-13 11:15:48 AM

PDid: No one needs a farking assault rifle (spare me the jargon semantics). They are toys for hobbyists. And to all of the "liberal" gun nuts. You're on the same side as Ted farking Nugent and Alex Jones shouldn't that clue in that enlightened noggin of yours.


"Need" is a bullshiat argument. Liberty has nothing to do with "need". Rights have nothing to do with "need". Must an American prove to the government a "need" for a jury trial, or a "need" prior to practicing their religion?

Fark "need".
 
2013-03-13 11:24:10 AM

Ontos: PDid: No one needs a farking assault rifle (spare me the jargon semantics). They are toys for hobbyists. And to all of the "liberal" gun nuts. You're on the same side as Ted farking Nugent and Alex Jones shouldn't that clue in that enlightened noggin of yours.

"Need" is a bullshiat argument. Liberty has nothing to do with "need". Rights have nothing to do with "need". Must an American prove to the government a "need" for a jury trial, or a "need" prior to practicing their religion?

Fark "need".


What Ontos said.

Giltric: Don't panic yet. Do you also have 2 implements at the ends of your arms with 4 digits and an additional opposable digit on each implement? Cause then it might be time to worry.


AGGH!  I do!  And my wife does, too!
 
2013-03-13 06:59:09 PM

DisregardTheFollowing: President Merkin Muffley: arentol: There is basically no better choice for home defense than an AR-15.

lol Yea I got a good laugh at that too. In that situation a shotgun is going to be just as intimidating, wont require as much accuracy, and is far less likely to shoot through walls and kill your kid in the process. We may have both just eaten some troll bait though... not sure


1. Intimidation is a non-existent issue
2. Shotguns DO IN FACT require a great deal of accuracy, and generally speaking, are less accurate than an AR, especially in  dark environment, unless you put AR style  features on it.
3. Shotguns penetrate far more walls than a .223/5.56 round will. (up to twice as much)
 
2013-03-13 09:26:50 PM
Yogimus: 
3. Shotguns penetrate far more walls than a .223/5.56 round will. (up to twice as much)

They do not.

Link

"As you can see, everything except the #4 Birdshot had no problem blowing through 4 layers of sheetrock and hitting the berm "

Know your loads, know your gun, know how it runs.
 
2013-03-13 09:50:12 PM

willfullyobscure: Yogimus: 
3. Shotguns penetrate far more walls than a .223/5.56 round will. (up to twice as much)

They do not.

Link

"As you can see, everything except the #4 Birdshot had no problem blowing through 4 layers of sheetrock and hitting the berm "

Know your loads, know your gun, know how it runs.


You do realize that we are in agreement here, right?
 
2013-03-13 10:35:25 PM

Yogimus: willfullyobscure: Yogimus: 
3. Shotguns penetrate far more walls than a .223/5.56 round will. (up to twice as much)

They do not.

Link

"As you can see, everything except the #4 Birdshot had no problem blowing through 4 layers of sheetrock and hitting the berm "

Know your loads, know your gun, know how it runs.

You do realize that we are in agreement here, right?


pistols at dawn, sirrah.
 
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