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(USA Today)   Judge enters not guilty by reason of insanity for Holmes. No shiat, Sherlock   (usatoday.com) divider line 178
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2013-03-12 02:39:50 PM
Fail, subby!  Judge entered "not guilty" plea, told Holmes he can change it to "not guilty by reason of insanity."
 
2013-03-12 04:03:35 PM
Sadly the guy probably /is/ bat-shiat insane. Unfortunately that means he probably won't get to face the death penalty if they did have it. Either way this guy is toast, I doubt he'll ever get out of prison.
 
2013-03-12 04:04:39 PM
Come, Holmes, get out of my way.
 
2013-03-12 04:06:45 PM
Crazy?

i2.listal.com
 
2013-03-12 04:08:18 PM
first thing I thought of too, Tim.
 
2013-03-12 04:08:47 PM
So ..... Sideshow Bob is no longer valid?
 
2013-03-12 04:09:30 PM
 
2013-03-12 04:10:23 PM

onyxruby: unfortunately that means he probably won't get to face the death penalty if they did have it


Hahaha.  So, you would feel better if he was not declared insane and he and didn't get the death penalty because they don't have it???
 
2013-03-12 04:10:26 PM

timujin: Crazy?

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Came for this, leaves satisfied.
 
2013-03-12 04:12:43 PM

onyxruby: Sadly the guy probably /is/ bat-shiat insane. Unfortunately that means he probably won't get to face the death penalty if they did have it. Either way this guy is toast, I doubt he'll ever get out of prison.


Either way he shouldn't.

If he knew damn well what he was doing (in other words, he was sane), then he should get the strongest penalty that can be handed out (if you're in favor of the death penalty, then that, if not, then life w/o parole).

If he's nuts, then he should be locked up in perpetuity in the deepest, darkest basement room of an asylum for the criminally insane. Toss him so far back in there he has to be fed with a slingshot. If this act was a result of mental illness, he's so dangerous to society he should never see daylight again.

Either way, to hell with the guy. He should never take one free step again. Ever.
 
2013-03-12 04:13:00 PM

onyxruby: Sadly the guy probably /is/ bat-shiat insane. Unfortunately that means he probably won't get to face the death penalty if they did have it. Either way this guy is toast, I doubt he'll ever get out of prison.


Why is it sad that someone legitimately sick and therefore not guilty of any crime won't be executed?
 
2013-03-12 04:13:22 PM

rockradio1: So ..... Sideshow Bob is no longer valid?


Damn. And none of the crazy grinning/scared faces.
 
2013-03-12 04:14:38 PM
i428.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-12 04:21:44 PM
I see a new market for the century and a half pills. Forced life sentences. No dying early for you! 3 consecutive life terms? Bummer dude, enjoy your stay.
 
2013-03-12 04:21:54 PM
A Fark headline that does not match the article? I am shocked.

Shocked.

/shocked
 
2013-03-12 04:22:19 PM

akula: onyxruby: Sadly the guy probably /is/ bat-shiat insane. Unfortunately that means he probably won't get to face the death penalty if they did have it. Either way this guy is toast, I doubt he'll ever get out of prison.

Either way he shouldn't.

If he knew damn well what he was doing (in other words, he was sane), then he should get the strongest penalty that can be handed out (if you're in favor of the death penalty, then that, if not, then life w/o parole).

If he's nuts, then he should be locked up in perpetuity in the deepest, darkest basement room of an asylum for the criminally insane. Toss him so far back in there he has to be fed with a slingshot. If this act was a result of mental illness, he's so dangerous to society he should never see daylight again.

Either way, to hell with the guy. He should never take one free step again. Ever.



An asylum you say?  Any asylum?  Or do you have one in particular?  Perhaps one that was designed to hold people who commit incredibly vile criminal acts.  One to house... supervillains if you will.
 
2013-03-12 04:22:28 PM

Ned Stark: legitimately sick


Is this documented?
 
2013-03-12 04:22:48 PM
Because why would we want to know if he was insane  before he got some guns and killed innocent people
 
2013-03-12 04:23:02 PM
www.talismancoins.com
/relevant
 
2013-03-12 04:23:28 PM

Raging Whore Moans: Because why would we want to know if he was insane before he got some guns and killed innocent people?


FTFM
 
2013-03-12 04:24:02 PM

akula: onyxruby: Sadly the guy probably /is/ bat-shiat insane. Unfortunately that means he probably won't get to face the death penalty if they did have it. Either way this guy is toast, I doubt he'll ever get out of prison.

Either way he shouldn't.

If he knew damn well what he was doing (in other words, he was sane), then he should get the strongest penalty that can be handed out (if you're in favor of the death penalty, then that, if not, then life w/o parole).

If he's nuts, then he should be locked up in perpetuity in the deepest, darkest basement room of an asylum for the criminally insane. Toss him so far back in there he has to be fed with a slingshot. If this act was a result of mental illness, he's so dangerous to society he should never see daylight again.

Either way, to hell with the guy. He should never take one free step again. Ever.


Let's assume for a  moment that he was so crazy that at the time he killed that he, literally, was incapable of stopping himself from so doing, genuinely believed that there was a reason to do it; or that he lacked the ability to perceive that it was really happening.  By that, I mean, either assume: (i) due to a mental defect he was compelled to do what he did, and could not stop himself; (ii) due to a mental defect he believed that he was acting in self-defense against people who were trying to kill him or those he loved; or (iii) due to a mental defect he didn't understand that he was planning for and killing people -- instead he thought he was weeding the garden or something.


In any of the above cases, he is either not consciously acting to do what he did, or he mistakenly believed that what he did was absolutely necessary.  And let's assume that it is due to a chemical imbalance in his brain that caused him to be in this state.  Much the same way a diabetic will have a hypoglycemic episode or an epileptic will have a seizure.  And I say that, simply to divorce the idea of any moral judgment over his actions from the question of what should happen to him.

Now let's assume that he can be cured.  As in he goes to an institution, and they fix him.  Now what?

Do you really think he needs to be incarcerated or in a mental facility then?  When he is properly medicated he isn't who he was when he wasn't medicated.  Why in the world would you want to punish someone who genuinely wasn't responsible for what he did because of a disease or defect?
 
2013-03-12 04:24:20 PM
Dude looks coo coo for cocoa puffs
 
2013-03-12 04:24:29 PM

Katolu: Come, Holmes, get out of my way.


Taxing little girlies from here to LA
 
2013-03-12 04:25:02 PM
That's the closest theater to my house.  There's no doubt about whether or not he did it.  He's sane enough to get through college to the point he had reached.  Just kill him and be done with it.  Anything else is a waste of time and resources.
 
2013-03-12 04:25:59 PM
If you plead "insanity" and the court agrees, that means you're free to go, right?
 
2013-03-12 04:26:12 PM
img441.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-12 04:26:52 PM

Litig8r: akula: onyxruby: Sadly the guy probably /is/ bat-shiat insane. Unfortunately that means he probably won't get to face the death penalty if they did have it. Either way this guy is toast, I doubt he'll ever get out of prison.

Either way he shouldn't.

If he knew damn well what he was doing (in other words, he was sane), then he should get the strongest penalty that can be handed out (if you're in favor of the death penalty, then that, if not, then life w/o parole).

If he's nuts, then he should be locked up in perpetuity in the deepest, darkest basement room of an asylum for the criminally insane. Toss him so far back in there he has to be fed with a slingshot. If this act was a result of mental illness, he's so dangerous to society he should never see daylight again.

Either way, to hell with the guy. He should never take one free step again. Ever.

Let's assume for a  moment that he was so crazy that at the time he killed that he, literally, was incapable of stopping himself from so doing, genuinely believed that there was a reason to do it; or that he lacked the ability to perceive that it was really happening.  By that, I mean, either assume: (i) due to a mental defect he was compelled to do what he did, and could not stop himself; (ii) due to a mental defect he believed that he was acting in self-defense against people who were trying to kill him or those he loved; or (iii) due to a mental defect he didn't understand that he was planning for and killing people -- instead he thought he was weeding the garden or something.


In any of the above cases, he is either not consciously acting to do what he did, or he mistakenly believed that what he did was absolutely necessary.  And let's assume that it is due to a chemical imbalance in his brain that caused him to be in this state.  Much the same way a diabetic will have a hypoglycemic episode or an epileptic will have a seizure.  And I say that, simply to divorce the idea of any moral judgment over his actions from ...


Humanity is still better off with him removed.
 
2013-03-12 04:27:37 PM
Ahh.. yet another liberal gunman.
 
2013-03-12 04:27:58 PM

Benjamin Orr: A Fark headline that does not match the article? I am shocked.

Shocked.

/shocked


www.blogcdn.com
 
2013-03-12 04:29:11 PM
How about we just take him out back and bury him.
Don't shoot him first.
Let the fire ants eat.

Do not tell me you are taking my tax dollars to house and rehabilitate this piece of work.

tell me you are having his parents fixed.

There is no way  you can call it justice to make the victims pay for this person's upkeep.
 
2013-03-12 04:29:49 PM
The insanity defense is a terrible precedent and should be revoked in perpetuity.  By definition crimes of this nature are insanity--a sane person would not have done them in the first place.  We accept they're not sane.  That does not obviate the need for penalty.  In fact, in increases that need--an extraordinarily unsane person needs an extraordinary reminder of why it's a bad idea to go around killing and maiming people.
 
2013-03-12 04:31:12 PM

uber humper: onyxruby: unfortunately that means he probably won't get to face the death penalty if they did have it

Hahaha.  So, you would feel better if he was not declared insane and he and didn't get the death penalty because they don't have it???


 So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you  !
 
2013-03-12 04:31:50 PM
Holmes sat silently during the proceedings as defense attorney Dan King said he needs more time to prepare a plea. "We cannot ethically represent that we are ready to proceed," King said. "We're just not ready now."

IOW, King knows Holmes is sane, but needs more time to find a shrink to testify he's not. The downside for him is that as soon as King enters an insanity plead, the Judge can order state examination of Holmes...with presumably unsympathetic shrinks. Holmes and King are definitely walking a tightrope here...one slip and Holmes could be facing the noose.

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2013-03-12 04:32:09 PM

Litig8r: Now let's assume that he can be cured.  As in he goes to an institution, and they fix him.  Now what?

Do you really think he needs to be incarcerated or in a mental facility then?  When he is properly medicated he isn't who he was when he wasn't medicated.  Why in the world would you want to punish someone who genuinely wasn't responsible for what he did because of a disease or defect?


Then his ass goes to jail. Or he stays otherwise confined and makes his life as best as he can in captivity.

Sorry, but he doesn't walk free, sane or nuts. If he can be treated, he can always quit keeping with the treatment and go nuts again. He murdered innocent people for no reason whatsoever. Even if he can be completely and fully cured with no future treatment required he should be jailed just for that.

I may sound like a real mean person here, but this farker's a murderer. Making him sane isn't going to change the past. He pays the price for what he did. Period. He never walks free.
 
2013-03-12 04:32:38 PM

Litig8r: akula: onyxruby: Sadly the guy probably /is/ bat-shiat insane. Unfortunately that means he probably won't get to face the death penalty if they did have it. Either way this guy is toast, I doubt he'll ever get out of prison.

Either way he shouldn't.

If he knew damn well what he was doing (in other words, he was sane), then he should get the strongest penalty that can be handed out (if you're in favor of the death penalty, then that, if not, then life w/o parole).

If he's nuts, then he should be locked up in perpetuity in the deepest, darkest basement room of an asylum for the criminally insane. Toss him so far back in there he has to be fed with a slingshot. If this act was a result of mental illness, he's so dangerous to society he should never see daylight again.

Either way, to hell with the guy. He should never take one free step again. Ever.

Let's assume for a  moment that he was so crazy that at the time he killed that he, literally, was incapable of stopping himself from so doing, genuinely believed that there was a reason to do it; or that he lacked the ability to perceive that it was really happening.  By that, I mean, either assume: (i) due to a mental defect he was compelled to do what he did, and could not stop himself; (ii) due to a mental defect he believed that he was acting in self-defense against people who were trying to kill him or those he loved; or (iii) due to a mental defect he didn't understand that he was planning for and killing people -- instead he thought he was weeding the garden or something.


In any of the above cases, he is either not consciously acting to do what he did, or he mistakenly believed that what he did was absolutely necessary.  And let's assume that it is due to a chemical imbalance in his brain that caused him to be in this state.  Much the same way a diabetic will have a hypoglycemic episode or an epileptic will have a seizure.  And I say that, simply to divorce the idea of any moral judgment over his actions from ...


People are worried about what happens when he gets out and accidentally forgets his morning meds. If it is something so mundane as needing a pill to fix the problem, the problem could just as easily come back as it is a band-aid and not an actual cure in the case of chemical imbalances. This would indicate a need for lifetime monitoring. The only way to accomplish this in a satisfactory manner to ensure public safety, is to have him locked up and forced to take his meds and finger-paint. When he is rational enough on meds to have this explained, if he is truly remorseful, he shouldn't have a problem with this and understand the need for it. If he doesn't understand it, then no "cure" was affected and he's there for more programming.
 
2013-03-12 04:32:39 PM
I see we're all fond of the word "obviate" today.

...carry on.
 
2013-03-12 04:32:48 PM

Ned Stark: Why is it sad that someone legitimately sick and therefore not guilty of any crime won't be executed?


Legitimately sick or not, he's still guilty of the crime. If he is indeed sick, the punishment may differ, but he's still guilty (regardless of what the legal system might call it.)
 
2013-03-12 04:32:49 PM
www.lolwtfcomics.com
 
2013-03-12 04:34:04 PM

vudukungfu: How about we just take him out back and bury him.
Don't shoot him first.
Let the fire ants eat.

Do not tell me you are taking my tax dollars to house and rehabilitate this piece of work.

tell me you are having his parents fixed.

There is no way  you can call it justice to make the victims pay for this person's upkeep.


Isn't it quite a bit more expensive to put someone to death rather than keep them in prison for life?  I thought I read that it costs about 2 mil per death, but only 4-500,000 for a life sentence on average.
 
2013-03-12 04:34:34 PM

akula: onyxruby: Sadly the guy probably /is/ bat-shiat insane. Unfortunately that means he probably won't get to face the death penalty if they did have it. Either way this guy is toast, I doubt he'll ever get out of prison.

Either way he shouldn't.

If he knew damn well what he was doing (in other words, he was sane), then he should get the strongest penalty that can be handed out (if you're in favor of the death penalty, then that, if not, then life w/o parole).

If he's nuts, then he should be locked up in perpetuity in the deepest, darkest basement room of an asylum for the criminally insane. Toss him so far back in there he has to be fed with a slingshot. If this act was a result of mental illness, he's so dangerous to society he should never see daylight again.

Either way, to hell with the guy. He should never take one free step again. Ever.


This. Insane or not, he murdered 12 people. Lock him up or put him down (although generally not a fan, in this case, I think the death penalty is appropriate.) But regardless, this guy does not belong in society any longer.
 
2013-03-12 04:34:39 PM

akula: onyxruby: Sadly the guy probably /is/ bat-shiat insane. Unfortunately that means he probably won't get to face the death penalty if they did have it. Either way this guy is toast, I doubt he'll ever get out of prison.

Either way he shouldn't.

If he knew damn well what he was doing (in other words, he was sane), then he should get the strongest penalty that can be handed out (if you're in favor of the death penalty, then that, if not, then life w/o parole).

If he's nuts, then he should be locked up in perpetuity in the deepest, darkest basement room of an asylum for the criminally insane. Toss him so far back in there he has to be fed with a slingshot. If this act was a result of mental illness, he's so dangerous to society he should never see daylight again.

Either way, to hell with the guy. He should never take one free step again. Ever.


THIS.

The judge didn't enter a "not guilty by reason of insanity" plea; he merely entered a "not guilty" plea due to the fact that S.S.B.'s laywers could not come to a conclusion on a plea.  The clown's still able to plead insanity at trial.

I honestly don't think the clown will be able to pull off an insanity plea.  He was too methodical; there was too much planning involved.  I just don't see it happening.
 
2013-03-12 04:35:06 PM

Begoggle: If you plead "insanity" and the court agrees, that means you're free to go, right?


Free to go to a care facility for the rest of your days.
 
2013-03-12 04:36:32 PM

bigbabysurfer: The judge didn't enter a "not guilty by reason of insanity" plea; he merely entered a "not guilty" plea due to the fact that S.S.B.'s laywers could not come to a conclusion on a plea.  The clown's still able to plead insanity at trial.

I honestly don't think the clown will be able to pull off an insanity plea.  He was too methodical; there was too much planning involved.  I just don't see it happening.


Still trying to shoehorn that?  And with such vigor!
 
2013-03-12 04:36:55 PM

ValisIV: vudukungfu: How about we just take him out back and bury him.
Don't shoot him first.
Let the fire ants eat.

Do not tell me you are taking my tax dollars to house and rehabilitate this piece of work.

tell me you are having his parents fixed.

There is no way  you can call it justice to make the victims pay for this person's upkeep.

Isn't it quite a bit more expensive to put someone to death rather than keep them in prison for life?  I thought I read that it costs about 2 mil per death, but only 4-500,000 for a life sentence on average.


That's because of the whole appeals part.  I'm happy with the protection of appeals in cases where guilt is NOT in question.  In this case, there is no question of not-guilty.  He did it.  He was seen doing it and caught doing it and admitted doing it.  There should be no appeals for him.  He should be found guilty and be killed immediately.
 
2013-03-12 04:37:26 PM

Andric: Ned Stark: legitimately sick

Is this documented?


No, the trial is still in progress so a determination of whether he's legally insane lies in the future.

But that's totally irrelevant, isn't it?
 
2013-03-12 04:37:30 PM
Fix that to be happy with appeals when there's a question about the guilt.
 
2013-03-12 04:38:14 PM

praxcelis: The insanity defense is a terrible precedent and should be revoked in perpetuity.  By definition crimes of this nature are insanity--a sane person would not have done them in the first place.  We accept they're not sane.  That does not obviate the need for penalty.  In fact, in increases that need--an extraordinarily unsane person needs an extraordinary reminder of why it's a bad idea to go around killing and maiming people.


IANAL or a doctor, but I believe those 2 professions define insanity differently. I'm not even sure doctors use "insanity" anymore (they call it mentally ill)..

As I understand it, the legal definition requires that he didn't know what he was doing was wrong.
 
2013-03-12 04:38:53 PM

praxcelis: The insanity defense is a terrible precedent and should be revoked in perpetuity.  By definition crimes of this nature are insanity--a sane person would not have done them in the first place.  We accept they're not sane.  That does not obviate the need for penalty.  In fact, in increases that need--an extraordinarily unsane person needs an extraordinary reminder of why it's a bad idea to go around killing and maiming people.


You need to look up the definition of legally insane versus plain old batshiat nuttier than a ten ton pile of squirrel feces insane.
 
2013-03-12 04:38:58 PM
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2013-03-12 04:40:13 PM

Explodo: ValisIV: vudukungfu: How about we just take him out back and bury him.
Don't shoot him first.
Let the fire ants eat.

Do not tell me you are taking my tax dollars to house and rehabilitate this piece of work.

tell me you are having his parents fixed.

There is no way  you can call it justice to make the victims pay for this person's upkeep.

Isn't it quite a bit more expensive to put someone to death rather than keep them in prison for life?  I thought I read that it costs about 2 mil per death, but only 4-500,000 for a life sentence on average.

That's because of the whole appeals part.  I'm happy with the protection of appeals in cases where guilt is NOT in question.  In this case, there is no question of not-guilty.  He did it.  He was seen doing it and caught doing it and admitted doing it.  There should be no appeals for him.  He should be found guilty and be killed immediately.


True, but I think most states have unlimited appeals for death row convictions? And you're right abo0ut the costs coming from appeals, as far as I know. Don't think they could not give him appeals, legally. But IANAL, so not sure how that all works.
 
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