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2013-03-12 04:35:52 PM
StrandedInAZ: I so wish they would ticket for that here. It's worse when you're trying to get to work or home in rush-hour traffic and some blue haired snowbird is driving 45 in the left lane, completely oblivious to how badly he's farking up traffic. You can drive below the speed limit, but get the hell over so people can pass you. Why is that so hard?

THIS. In Germany on the Autobahn where they have no speed limit (outside of the cities) but strictly enforce the pass left drive right the highways are SAFER than our nanny speed limited highways.
 
2013-03-12 04:36:49 PM

timujin: While tailgating is dangerous, so is cruising in the left lane, as it forces faster traffic to pass on the right.


Even better...  Cruising in the left lane just behind and going the same speed as a vehicle in the right lane (and the only other vehicle in sight).  In other words, riding along in your blind spot.

/had this happen to me more than once
//seems they get comfy letting you set the pace
///have to either floor it or downshift to break the connection
 
2013-03-12 04:41:01 PM

vudutek: To all of those who sport the following bumper sticker:

"I may be slow, but I'm ahead of you"

That's only because it's illegal to run your sorry ass into a ditch.

/'98 Camry, another scratch ain't gonna bother me.


I miss my old 1975 Buick  Riviera, there wouldn't have been a scratch

// door must have weighed 200lbs by itself
 
2013-03-12 04:41:56 PM
umad: I'm ok with this.

I decided long ago that the first thing I will do upon receiving a terminal cancer diagnosis is to gather up all of my guns and go on a Mad Max rampage to take out every left-lane camper I come across. You people are the scum of the Earth.


THIS. And I smoke so cancer is a very real possibility.
 
2013-03-12 04:44:31 PM

Slaves2Darkness: JustGetItRight: timujin: "The reason [the ticket] is silly is because it's sending the wrong message," said John Townsend of AAA Mid-Atlantic. "And that is, 'We will tolerate you driving at more than the speed limit, but it you drive below the speed limit, then you're penalized for that'."

No, it's sending the message that if you're "experiencing heavy winds and <have> slowed down to be safe." you should also move over to the right lane.

Also:
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/yes, I know it doesn't cover every single instance
//but it's a handy guideline for people like this woman.

You're over complicating things.

Are you in the left lane?
If Yes, is there a car immediately in front of you?
If no, you're in the wrong lane.  Move over as soon as the right one is empty.

*sigh* No, you got that wrong.
Are you in the left lane?
If Yes, is there a car riding your ass?
If Yes, get the fark over slow poke.


If there's a car in front of you, you've caught them.  They're the slow poke that needs to move over.
 
2013-03-12 04:44:48 PM
Oh thank GOD for this.
 
2013-03-12 04:45:08 PM

timujin: What does a car being in front of you (in your lane, it seems you're saying, due to the word "immediately") have to do with when you move over? If there's someone in the lane to your right and they're going slower than you are, wait until you are past them and move over. If they're moving faster than you, you're in the wrong lane, move the fark over. If there's no one in the lane to your right, move the fark over.


If there is someone in front of you, it means you've caught them from behind and thus they're the one holding up traffic.
 
2013-03-12 04:48:40 PM

Slaves2Darkness: JustGetItRight: timujin: "The reason [the ticket] is silly is because it's sending the wrong message," said John Townsend of AAA Mid-Atlantic. "And that is, 'We will tolerate you driving at more than the speed limit, but it you drive below the speed limit, then you're penalized for that'."

No, it's sending the message that if you're "experiencing heavy winds and <have> slowed down to be safe." you should also move over to the right lane.

Also:
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/yes, I know it doesn't cover every single instance
//but it's a handy guideline for people like this woman.

You're over complicating things.

Are you in the left lane?
If Yes, is there a car immediately in front of you?
If no, you're in the wrong lane.  Move over as soon as the right one is empty.

*sigh* No, you got that wrong.
Are you in the left lane?
If Yes, is there a car riding your ass?
If Yes, get the fark over slow poke.


If you're passing slower traffic to the right, you can't get over.  If there's no traffic there, you shouldn't be in the left lane to begin with.

If you come up on someone in the left lane going slower than you and they're passing someone in the next lane who is going even slower, then you should match their speed at a safe distance, wait for them to pass the person to their right and then they should move over and allow you to pass in turn.
 
2013-03-12 04:48:56 PM
I think part of the problem is there's no (or very little) drivers' ed anymore. When I was in high school, we all took drivers' ed, I remember learning about how to drive in inclement, the proper distance to leave between my vehicle and the vehicle in front of me, turn signal usage, and which lane to travel in if you're passing. When you completed the class, you got a discount on your car insurance.

We even had the option to learn how to drive stick shift, which most of us took.

Drivers' ed was mandatory in my high school. I graduated in 1990, so we're not talking about a very long time ago. Do schools even have drivers' ed anymore, even as an optional class?
 
2013-03-12 04:55:14 PM
The idiot brigade is out in force, I see. News flash: the leftmost lane is not a "passing lane." There is no such thing as a "passing lane." That is an antiquated term from the early 20th century when most roads were two-lane and you'd have to pass on the left.

Nowadays, especially on multi-lane roadways, every lane is a driving lane. I always go the speed limit in the left lane, and I love it when people tailgate me and throw their hands up in the air and make all sorts of goofy gestures. Hit me, you're at fault. Or do what I do and leave for your destination on time.
 
2013-03-12 05:01:46 PM
Minivan? /clicks link...nope.
 
2013-03-12 05:03:04 PM
I came up behind 2 blue hens in a Cadillac doing 10 under in the left lane (out of 3 lanes, maybe 4).  People were going around them on the right, but it was causing a problem.

I passed them (on the right) then moved into the left lane and slowed down.  I could see them in the mirror, they were all excited and stressed, and after awhile (at about 25 in a 65) they moved over a lane.  Meanwihile, people going by were blowing their horns and giving me the finger, etc.

After they moved over, I sped up and went on my way.

I saw them in the mirror, and they got back into the left lane as soon as they could, at about the same speed.

I won't do that again.
 
2013-03-12 05:04:21 PM

Stone Meadow: but I get incensed by lollygagging drivers who can't be bothered to go when the light turns green, left lane hogs, entering the freeway 10 mph slower than traffic, etc.


and those MF'ers (who don't drive a truck) that back into parking spaces.
 
2013-03-12 05:07:00 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Spiral roads, people. Spiral roads.

Rule 1: Every five miles a new lane appears on the left and half a mile later a lane disappears from the right. This naturally collects dull people in the right hand lane without them having to ever waste precious brain cells on things other than texting and talking on the phone.

Rule 2: Lanes may ONLY appear on the left.

Rule 3: Lanes may ONLY end on the right.

Rule 4: Lines and chevrons make the left lane appear smaller and the right lane appear larger to make dull people less comfortable being in the left lane.


You are a genius.
 
2013-03-12 05:08:45 PM

johnny_vegas: Stone Meadow: but I get incensed by lollygagging drivers who can't be bothered to go when the light turns green, left lane hogs, entering the freeway 10 mph slower than traffic, etc.

and those MF'ers (who don't drive a truck) that back into parking spaces.


It's a good idea to park so you don't have to back in or out.
I see people back out of a space when there's nothing in front of them ??
I don't mind walking a few extra feet to avoid backing up.
 
2013-03-12 05:11:44 PM

J.Shelby: Yes !  Oh holy cr**p, yes! We don't want you to speed up; we want you to move over into the right lane.  Change lanes; its not hard.  This, the left lane, is the passing lane.  That, the right lane, is the cruising lane.  Its really that simple.  Really.


Most of I-95 in Maryland is 3-4 lanes.

So not only was she too far left, she was too far left left
 
2013-03-12 05:17:58 PM

StrandedInAZ: I think part of the problem is there's no (or very little) drivers' ed anymore. When I was in high school, we all took drivers' ed, I remember learning about how to drive in inclement, the proper distance to leave between my vehicle and the vehicle in front of me, turn signal usage, and which lane to travel in if you're passing. When you completed the class, you got a discount on your car insurance.

We even had the option to learn how to drive stick shift, which most of us took.

Drivers' ed was mandatory in my high school. I graduated in 1990, so we're not talking about a very long time ago. Do schools even have drivers' ed anymore, even as an optional class?


The school system where my daughter goes to school does not teach driver's ed.

I graduated in 1986, and drivers ed was taught, and free.
A few years later it was taught in the school, but cost a nominal fee $60, I think.
Now it cost about $250-$300.
 
2013-03-12 05:21:01 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The idiot brigade is out in force, I see. News flash: the leftmost lane is not a "passing lane." There is no such thing as a "passing lane." That is an antiquated term from the early 20th century when most roads were two-lane and you'd have to pass on the left.

Nowadays, especially on multi-lane roadways, every lane is a driving lane. I always go the speed limit in the left lane, and I love it when people tailgate me and throw their hands up in the air and make all sorts of goofy gestures. Hit me, you're at fault. Or do what I do and leave for your destination on time.


That's a good plan, until someone shoots you.
It'll be their fault, they'll be guilty.
You'll be right, dead right.
 
2013-03-12 05:24:05 PM

skozlaw: She might win the case. Maryland does not appear to have any sort of meaningful keep right law.


Some of the counties do. Enjoy.
 
2013-03-12 05:25:05 PM

BunkyBrewman: In other words, she was ticketed for being a douche.  (or a Prius driver)

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The left lane is for passing asshats.  You can be a pretentious ass in your home town where it's 25mph and no passing zones.


How does the speed limit reduce CO2 emissions?  It varies from 20 to 85 (in my experience).  Do all those posted speeds reduce emissions?
 
2013-03-12 05:26:01 PM

Kahabut: Gecko Gingrich: ZAZ: "Normal and reasonable movement of traffic" will most likely be interpreted to mean "traffic obeying the speed limit."

Except that what I recall from when this law (21-804) was passed, it was stated specifically that "normal and reasonable" was independent of the posted speed limit.

/Yes, I'm looking for that article now.

That's because in real life, the speed limit signs have very little bearing on the speed and flow of traffic on a daily basis.  The cops,  city planners and most politicians already know this.  Didn't you?

Flow of traffic depends 0% on speed limits and 50% on idiots not being in the left lane going the speed limit or under.  The other 50% is if all the combined morons on the road can avoid hitting anything.


Here I thought it was based off the 85th percentile speed.
 
2013-03-12 05:26:57 PM
Reading this thread feels like a therapy session. I only drive 3-5 miles each way on an interstate highway (depending on which exit I take), but seldom is it uneventful.

What I find even worse than left lane campers though, are left lane "passers" who fail to speed up to pass... wait for it...

UNTIL they are moving back into the right lane!!!11!1

Put two or three people in a row who behave this way, and it may take my entire journey for them to get out of each others way. Worse yet, in that situation, they'll often pull back out to pass the next car, since the one behind them made no effort to go around.

I work a 10-6 shift just to minimize my contact with these clovers.

http://ericpetersautos.com/2011/03/27/the-clover-test/
 
2013-03-12 05:27:21 PM

Intrepid00: skozlaw: She might win the case. Maryland does not appear to have any sort of meaningful keep right law.

Some of the counties do. Enjoy.


She might win, but it'll cost her time and trouble.
There was a similar case in Dallas, but the woman was going 5 over the posted limit.
I don't know the outcome, it was years ago.
Why not just get out of the way?
 
2013-03-12 05:31:04 PM

jbezorg: Kahabut: Gecko Gingrich: ZAZ: "Normal and reasonable movement of traffic" will most likely be interpreted to mean "traffic obeying the speed limit."

Except that what I recall from when this law (21-804) was passed, it was stated specifically that "normal and reasonable" was independent of the posted speed limit.

/Yes, I'm looking for that article now.

That's because in real life, the speed limit signs have very little bearing on the speed and flow of traffic on a daily basis.  The cops,  city planners and most politicians already know this.  Didn't you?

Flow of traffic depends 0% on speed limits and 50% on idiots not being in the left lane going the speed limit or under.  The other 50% is if all the combined morons on the road can avoid hitting anything.

Here I thought it was based off the 85th percentile speed.


The MUTCD recommends that the speed limit should be within 5MPH of the 85th percentile. Thats what traffic engineers use.

However, citizen groups, politicians, police, etc... all think they know better and are sometimes able to lobby local/state agencies to change the speed limits based on emotional or incorrect reasoning.

Then you end up with a 25mph speed limit in an area that should be 40mph.
 
2013-03-12 05:32:57 PM
Needs reposting, because good:

api.ning.com
 
2013-03-12 05:41:53 PM
Cop needs a HERO tag.
 
2013-03-12 05:46:42 PM

Nordschleife: Needs reposting, because good:


That car was funny for like 2 memes. Now it's just gay.
 
2013-03-12 05:49:44 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Nordschleife: Needs reposting, because good:

That car was funny for like 2 memes. Now it's just gay.


1/10

You routinely fail at trolling don't you?

I mean really, you're just bad at it...improve biatch.
 
2013-03-12 05:51:49 PM

Girion47: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Nordschleife: Needs reposting, because good:

That car was funny for like 2 memes. Now it's just gay.

1/10

You routinely fail at trolling don't you?

I mean really, you're just bad at it...improve biatch.


Really, you still find pictures of that cat amusing? Ok.
 
2013-03-12 05:52:59 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Nordschleife: Needs reposting, because good:

That car was funny for like 2 memes. Now it's just gay.


You purposefully stop people from passing you in the left lane, and you cant tell the difference between a cat and a car.  You need to have your license revoked sir.
 
2013-03-12 05:53:12 PM

Oldiron_79: StrandedInAZ: I so wish they would ticket for that here. It's worse when you're trying to get to work or home in rush-hour traffic and some blue haired snowbird is driving 45 in the left lane, completely oblivious to how badly he's farking up traffic. You can drive below the speed limit, but get the hell over so people can pass you. Why is that so hard?

THIS. In Germany on the Autobahn where they have no speed limit (outside of the cities) but strictly enforce the pass left drive right the highways are SAFER than our nanny speed limited highways.


Rechtsfahren!
 
2013-03-12 06:02:31 PM
CSB TIME.

I remember when I still had my motorcycle I was riding in the middle of my side of the road (single lane each way) anyway, I'm doing about 40 and my turn is coming up in about 200 feet so I put my left signal on. Now bear in mind there is no where to turn left except for the approaching intersection. This Indian/hindi woman whose behind me in a champaign Toyota pulls along side me (again single lane in each direction) and starts inching closer and closer to me forcing me to move closer to the double yellow, honking her horn and making hand gestures.

We get to the stop sign where I was going to turn left anyway, and pull my bike in front of her car, jump off and go around her widow (which was down as it was summer) the string of things I said to her I couldn't repeat even to a priest.

She could barely speak English and I finally said "can you understand me?"

She nodded.

I said "in this farking country we have driving laws. This is a one farking lane road. You could have killed me. You ever do that to me again, I won't hesitate to slam on my brakes and let you hit me, this isn't Mumbai. Fark you"

She looked like she had seen a ghost.

I saw her several more times after that, she didn't ride anyone's ass after that (car or motorcycle)
 
2013-03-12 06:14:25 PM

HoustonNick: I wish I could meet the Cop - I'd buy him a drink and a steak dinner.  Get in the farking right lane you slow poke a holes.


^^THIS x  million^^
 
2013-03-12 06:16:10 PM
She was going that fast on 95?!?!?! Unpossible!!!
 
2013-03-12 06:22:13 PM

Dougie AXP: CSB TIME.

I said "in this farking country we have driving laws. This is a one farking lane road. You could have killed me. You ever do that to me again, I won't hesitate to slam on my brakes and let you hit me, this isn't Mumbai. Fark you"

She looked like she had seen a ghost.

I saw her several more times after that, she didn't ride anyone's ass after that (car or motorcycle)


She moved to Alaska, bought a LandRover, and is up to her old tricks.  (met her last summer)
 
2013-03-12 06:31:23 PM
Don't get me started on Indian drivers.  Ok you got me started...

CSB

I'm in the fast lane behind an Indian driver who is driving about 60 when the limit is 65.  Cars are slowly passing him on the right, but he stays in the far left lane.  I finally get past him and get in front of him. I start gradually slowing down in hopes that he'll move to the right.  This asshole stayed behind me until I was down to about 40 mph on the freeway, then he finally pulled to the right.

As soon as he pulled to the right, I sped up to the correct speed for the fast lane when the limit is 65mph...75mph.  I look in my rear view and see the asshole moved back into the fast lane at 60 mph.  WTF?  How do drivers like that get licensed?

/CSB
 
2013-03-12 06:33:23 PM

Broktun: I graduated in 1986, and drivers ed was taught, and free.
A few years later it was taught in the school, but cost a nominal fee $60, I think.
Now it cost about $250-$300.


They charge for it now? No wonder nobody takes it!
 
2013-03-12 06:38:22 PM

The Southern Dandy: WTF?  How do drivers like that get licensed?



When the driving test consists of driving one lap around a fenced in parking lot, without even one second of time on a public road or any time above 10MPH, there's no way to know what the driver will be like once they're set loose on the rest of the world.
 
2013-03-12 06:46:31 PM

StrandedInAZ: Broktun: I graduated in 1986, and drivers ed was taught, and free.
A few years later it was taught in the school, but cost a nominal fee $60, I think.
Now it cost about $250-$300.

They charge for it now? No wonder nobody takes it!


Around here it's actually a little more, but you get that off the insurance (yearly), so taking and passing driver's ed is a good investment.
 
2013-03-12 06:52:11 PM
I drive 40,000 miles a year in the DC metro area, and I can say with confidence... that I have NEVER seen any of you good-drivin' farkers on the roads here.
 
2013-03-12 07:02:35 PM

the ha ha guy: The Southern Dandy: WTF?  How do drivers like that get licensed?


When the driving test consists of driving one lap around a fenced in parking lot, without even one second of time on a public road or any time above 10MPH, there's no way to know what the driver will be like once they're set loose on the rest of the world.


csb/

A thousand years ago, when I took my driving test, we were waiting at the DMV for the evaluator who was late with the previous test.  My instructor and I spot the car pull into the parking lot VERY slowly, and watch as it comes to the parking spot.  About a 20 point turn later, the car was in the spot. They both got out, went into the building to do some paperwork, a few minutes later the evaluator comes out, my instructor introduces us, and we get in the car.  We put our seat belts on, and he says 'if you can get me around the block, without turning any more of my hair gray, you're good'. when we got back to the parking lot he hopped out to start the paperwork before letting me park solo.
/csb
now there is graduated licensing.
 
2013-03-12 07:05:03 PM
timujin:
While tailgating is dangerous, so is cruising in the left lane, as it forces faster traffic to pass on the right.

I don't think you know what that word means.
 
2013-03-12 07:07:33 PM

Rhino_man: I drive 40,000 miles a year in the DC metro area, and I can say with confidence... that I have NEVER seen any of you good-drivin' farkers on the roads here.


I moved away.
 
2013-03-12 07:10:43 PM

Intrepid00: skozlaw: She might win the case. Maryland does not appear to have any sort of meaningful keep right law.

Some of the counties do. Enjoy.


That's one of my peeves.

County and City cops should have no jurisdiction on Interstate roads, and city cops none on state roads for traffic infractions.

Interstate commerce shouldn't have to worry about funding some one horse town's mayoral mansion with speed traps, and etc.
 
2013-03-12 07:24:18 PM
Girion47:


Worst drivers are in the US, by far.  They inhabit the left lane, going slow, will never get over, don't use turn signals, and time their driving to eliminate any gaps that may be used for passing.

Fixed that for the rest of the civilized world. American drivers suck.
 
2013-03-12 07:26:46 PM

Kaenneth: timujin:
While tailgating is dangerous, so is cruising in the left lane, as it forces faster traffic to pass on the right.

I don't think you know what that word means.


It forces the direction of the passing, not the passing itself.  You can intentionally misunderstand what someone writes, but it just makes you look like a pendant or a moron.
 
2013-03-12 07:28:25 PM
I used to commute from San Diego to Laguna for a couple of months on a job. The 5 between Ocean Side and Dana Point is filled with left lane campers. Most of the time you can go faster in the right lanes instead of the left lanes. And I'm not a massive speeder, 10 over is my limit.

\Also it's just common courtesy for slower traffic to stay right.
\\not so common anymore I guess
 
2013-03-12 07:35:25 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The idiot brigade is out in force, I see. News flash: the leftmost lane is not a "passing lane." There is no such thing as a "passing lane." That is an antiquated term from the early 20th century when most roads were two-lane and you'd have to pass on the left.

Nowadays, especially on multi-lane roadways, every lane is a driving lane. I always go the speed limit in the left lane, and I love it when people tailgate me and throw their hands up in the air and make all sorts of goofy gestures. Hit me, you're at fault. Or do what I do and leave for your destination on time.


So you make up your own  definitions, make up your own rules, and stuff them down everyone else's throats, telling yourself that EVERYONE else is wrong, and you are on a personal crusade to set them right.  I admire your talent: you have covert hostility down pat.
 
2013-03-12 07:37:06 PM
The post about jurisdiction got me thinking....

If an interstate highway is run through a private citizen's land, who does that portion of the interstate highway belong to?  Is it federal property, or does it still belong to the citizen?  If it's federal property, does that same ruling hold true if an interstate highway is run through a municipality? Does the highway belong to the federal government or the municipality?  If there's a difference, why?

If interstate highway's are federal property, how do local authorities have jurisdiction over them?

Any GED Law degreed lawyers have an answer?
 
2013-03-12 07:40:47 PM

timujin: Kaenneth:
I don't think you know what that word means.

It forces the direction of the passing, not the passing itself.  You can intentionally misunderstand what someone writes, but it just makes you look like a pendant or a moron.


I'm a pendant; what you got against pendants, huh?  We keep your fskin' girlfriend happy, eh.  You got somethin' against jewelry?  I bet you're one of those perpetually hateful people, ain't ya? Just can't stand to see somone happy.  Miserable bastid.
 
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