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2013-03-12 02:48:32 PM

Spike Lee's Favorite Farker: I would assume that the radar has a +/-2 mph margin of error. So maybe she was driving right at the speed limit.



And? She could have been driving at 68, but if people were passing on her right, she would still be ticketed for impeding traffic and failing to move right.
 
2013-03-12 02:48:37 PM

sentex: bluenote13:   My dad is one of those people that gets in the far left lane and sets the cruise control at the speed limit...even when the other 4 lanes next to him are cars flying past him honking and screaming.

Your dad is an asshole


THIS
 
2013-03-12 02:49:17 PM
 
2013-03-12 02:49:27 PM

Spike Lee's Favorite Farker: I would assume that the radar has a +/-2 mph margin of error. So maybe she was driving right at the speed limit.


I would think the cop was clocking her with his own speedometer not a radar....she was probably tooling along knitting, feeling all safe with the nice police officer on her back bumper.
 
2013-03-12 02:49:51 PM
 
2013-03-12 02:50:25 PM

skylabdown: I would date a hippy, nazi, commie, murderer, health food nut, left winger, right winger, fat chick.. hmm... I would date pretty much anyone on principle, but I would never date a hyper-miler.

They are the most wretched form of scum and villainy in the universe.


She is nestoring, not hypermilering.  There are any number of good reasons to drive at legal speeds in the right lane (lack of love for Al Qaeda, DWB in PG county, one point left on license), but she just couldn't find the right lane.

I-270 is even worse: same traffic, nearly the same speed, 55 MPH speed limits (Montgomery County).  Also 65 MPH speed limits and 15 MPH exits makes the left lane make sense in Frederick County.
 
2013-03-12 02:50:42 PM

Girion47: A MD driver going slow in the left lane?

Color me not farking shocked at all.


Worst drivers in the US, by far.  They inhabit the left lane, going slow, will never get over, don't use turn signals, and time their driving to eliminate any gaps that may be used for passing.


 Not to mention sitting on their phone at a stop light when it turns green. I use my horn at least once a day for green light campers here around Annapolis.

/Lived all over the country. This area's one of the worst I've ever dealt with in the terms of lousy drivers
 
2013-03-12 02:51:40 PM
People from NJ just shrug and wonder why she didn't get a ticket for not keeping right in the first place.

At least she wasn't doing 20MPH and yakking on her cell phone (which I have seen in the left lane on the DC Beltway).
 
2013-03-12 02:51:42 PM

timujin: "The reason [the ticket] is silly is because it's sending the wrong message," said John Townsend of AAA Mid-Atlantic. "And that is, 'We will tolerate you driving at more than the speed limit, but it you drive below the speed limit, then you're penalized for that'."

No, it's sending the message that if you're "experiencing heavy winds and <have> slowed down to be safe." you should also move over to the right lane.

Also:
[www.majhost.com image 489x323]

/yes, I know it doesn't cover every single instance
//but it's a handy guideline for people like this woman.


You're over complicating things.

Are you in the left lane?
If Yes, is there a car immediately in front of you?
If no, you're in the wrong lane.  Move over as soon as the right one is empty.
 
2013-03-12 02:52:18 PM

abhorrent1: They need to make ramming legal


meanwhile in Russia ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG1qcIAFSwg
 
2013-03-12 02:53:16 PM
Her speed had nothing to do with the ticket! She did not move to the right when a police car was behind her.
 
2013-03-12 02:53:33 PM
I so wish they would ticket for that here. It's worse when you're trying to get to work or home in rush-hour traffic and some blue haired snowbird is driving 45 in the left lane, completely oblivious to how badly he's farking up traffic. You can drive below the speed limit, but get the hell over so people can pass you. Why is that so hard?
 
2013-03-12 02:54:10 PM
I think if you look deep into the driving manual you will find the notation that the left lane is for passing, or slower traffic move to the right.

I know there are shiatloads of signs on the highways.

Fully paid off and insured 14 year old Jeep. Single farks, I ain't got one.
 
2013-03-12 02:54:43 PM

Gecko Gingrich: ZAZ: "Normal and reasonable movement of traffic" will most likely be interpreted to mean "traffic obeying the speed limit."

Except that what I recall from when this law (21-804) was passed, it was stated specifically that "normal and reasonable" was independent of the posted speed limit.

/Yes, I'm looking for that article now.


That's because in real life, the speed limit signs have very little bearing on the speed and flow of traffic on a daily basis.  The cops,  city planners and most politicians already know this.  Didn't you?

Flow of traffic depends 0% on speed limits and 50% on idiots not being in the left lane going the speed limit or under.  The other 50% is if all the combined morons on the road can avoid hitting anything.
 
2013-03-12 02:55:34 PM

Gecko Gingrich: ZAZ: "Normal and reasonable movement of traffic" will most likely be interpreted to mean "traffic obeying the speed limit."

Except that what I recall from when this law (21-804) was passed, it was stated specifically that "normal and reasonable" was independent of the posted speed limit.

/Yes, I'm looking for that article now.


From the one defensive driving class I took, that usually means that the cops may determine that "normal and reasonable" may be slower than the posted speed limit, e.g. when the roads are wet, when visibility is low, or when there is construction.  Of course this information was given to me by an old Italian cab driver and not a lawyer, but I figure he knows what the cops are looking for.

/I thought this story was going to be about someone doing 30 in a 65.
 
2013-03-12 02:55:39 PM
I'd buy the cop a beer. She was probably on her cell phone too. Get out of the passing lane you twit.
 
2013-03-12 02:56:25 PM

StrandedInAZ: I so wish they would ticket for that here. It's worse when you're trying to get to work or home in rush-hour traffic and some blue haired snowbird is driving 45 in the left lane, completely oblivious to how badly he's farking up traffic. You can drive below the speed limit, but get the hell over so people can pass you. Why is that so hard?


Because 9 times out of 10 the people who drive that slow are chicken shiats who don't want to be on the road in the first place. By moving to the far left lane they only have to deal with drivers on one side of them instead of two. Even the right lane has to deal with people entering/exiting.

They just don't want the headaches of actually paying attention to their surroundings.
 
2013-03-12 02:56:33 PM
Time for some more Russian car cam videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_gP03lhe0
 
2013-03-12 02:57:18 PM
I try not to get emotionally involved in other peoples' driving anymore.  Life is too short.  But even with that, I think the "Hero" tag is in order for the ticketing officer.
 
2013-03-12 02:57:18 PM
You said Maryland, so that was exactly the reason I was thinking.
 
2013-03-12 03:01:15 PM

Raoul Eaton: I try not to get emotionally involved in other peoples' driving anymore. Life is too short. But even with that, I think the "Hero" tag is in order for the ticketing officer.


I stopped being one of the left lane speed-demons a while back and now just set my cruise control at "about" the speed limit and cruise in the right lane with occasional passes for much slower traffic. It's about an 18 mile commute on the highway. Not only is my drive much more pleasant, I get home at pretty much the same time anyway.

People that insist on blazing up the road at 85 mph are fools. I do sympathize with them about the campers though. Even as a slower driver they still infuriate me.
 
2013-03-12 03:01:49 PM
Awesome.  Should happen more often.
 
2013-03-12 03:01:54 PM

ZAZ: Gecko Gingrich

"Normal and reasonable movement of traffic" will most likely be interpreted to mean "traffic obeying the speed limit." If "normal and reasonable" on its own could prohibit driving 63 in a 65 zone, the specific rule allowing 10 mph below the speed limit should take precedence over the general rule against impeding traffic.  If it doesn't, a 2 mph difference is not likely to hold up in court.

Bad driver, but not guilty is my verdict.


Yep. Because it is so close to the speed limit the only thing the officer can do here is provide dash camera footage with nothing in the right lane for a minute or so. Failing that the fine is not gonna stick.
 
jvl
2013-03-12 03:02:04 PM

J.Shelby: That, the right lane, is the cruising lane.  Its really that simple.  Really.


It's the passing lane, not the cruising lane crazy guy.  Get out of it cruiser!

/ Watching with amusement from the right lane where I belong
 
2013-03-12 03:02:06 PM

scottydoesntknow: StrandedInAZ: I so wish they would ticket for that here. It's worse when you're trying to get to work or home in rush-hour traffic and some blue haired snowbird is driving 45 in the left lane, completely oblivious to how badly he's farking up traffic. You can drive below the speed limit, but get the hell over so people can pass you. Why is that so hard?

Because 9 times out of 10 the people who drive that slow are chicken shiats who don't want to be on the road in the first place. By moving to the far left lane they only have to deal with drivers on one side of them instead of two. Even the right lane has to deal with people entering/exiting.

They just don't want the headaches of actually paying attention to their surroundings.


They could just not drive then.  If they are refusing to adhere to the rules of the road, then they shouldn't join the population that does adhere to them.


/your namesake is a catchy tune.
 
2013-03-12 03:02:12 PM

ZAZ: While she was in the wrong morally, she was probably not in the wrong legally. In Maryland you can stay in the left lane as long as you are within 10 mph of the speed limit.  Most states require drivers to keep right when moving slower than the normal speed of traffic.


In Utah you can get a ticket for not getting over if someone is approaching you, regardless of your speed. If you're doing 20 mph over the speed limit and a car still overtakes you, you have to move over, otherwise you can get ticketed. The other driver can get ticketed also, of course, but you have to get out of that lane if you are impeding traffic at all. The rest of the time, you can travel that lane to your heart's content.
 
2013-03-12 03:02:14 PM

Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?


media.npr.org

 
2013-03-12 03:02:18 PM
Next up , people who wait until they have merged onto the highway to accelerate to highway speed instead of being at speed as they leave the on ramp.
 
2013-03-12 03:02:50 PM
Here in WA we have "keep right except to pass" signs all up and down I-5 and yet the left lane is constantly full of people who drive below the speed limit with nobody in front of them. I would happily sentence them all to 50 lashes if I could.
 
2013-03-12 03:03:03 PM
SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT

And the letters are much larger than those, pokey.
 
2013-03-12 03:05:19 PM
oi48.tinypic.com
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-12 03:06:29 PM
uberaverage: Her speed had nothing to do with the ticket! She did not move to the right when a police car was behind her.

That's what it takes to get a failure to keep right ticket in Massachusetts. You can even get speeding and failure to keep right at the same time.

The ticket count for "failure to drive in the right lane" is up to a few thousand per year, but they are almost all (1) driving on the shoulder to get to an exit when traffic is stopped, (2) pretext for a drug search, (3) obstructing a state trooper.
 
2013-03-12 03:06:33 PM

Gecko Gingrich: ZAZ: While she was in the wrong morally, she was probably not in the wrong legally. In Maryland you can stay in the left lane as long as you are within 10 mph of the speed limit.  Most states require drivers to keep right when moving slower than the normal speed of traffic.

Incorrect.

/Laws change. Unofficial websites that quote them do not. ;)


No, that law has to do with a posted MINIMUM speed. Some speed limit signs have a MINIMUM SPEED limit on them. (They often look like this)

This appears to be current, and yes, by her own admission, she earns a ticket:

"(b) Special rule for slow-moving traffic.- On every roadway, except while overtaking and passing another vehicle going in the same direction or when preparing for a lawful left turn, any vehicle going 10 miles an hour or more below the applicable maximum speed limit or, if any existing conditions reasonably require a speed below that of the applicable maximum, at less than the normal speed of traffic under these conditions, shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway." (Emphasis mine)

TFA:
"This was the first time she'd ever gotten a ticket -- but on Friday, she said, the area was experiencing heavy winds and she had slowed down to be safe."

She earned herself a ticket, and if she said this in court, she reinforced it.
 
2013-03-12 03:06:42 PM
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2013-03-12 03:06:57 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Fully paid off and insured 14 year old Jeep. Single farks, I ain't got one.


www.screeninsults.com
 
2013-03-12 03:07:42 PM
Maryland needs farkload more of this.
 
2013-03-12 03:12:59 PM
Cop deserves the Hero tag.
 
2013-03-12 03:14:57 PM

liam76: Maryland needs farkload more of this.


San Diego is actually pretty good for this on the whole.  Now, convincing drivers to let you merge is another issue.
if you really want to pull your hair out, drive around Oahu sometime.  You would think people get paid by the hour to drive.
 
2013-03-12 03:16:25 PM

bongmiester: meanwhile in Russia ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG1qcIAFSwg


I love how some people get out and are all like
"Dude what the fark?!"

Well, don't cut off a 4 ton vehicle asshole.
 
2013-03-12 03:16:36 PM
Did the laws in Maryland change?   Were they forced into a national standard?  Back when I lived there, (15 years ago) the I-95 left lanes were 'no trucks' and any lane was for passing.   They took down the 'pass in left lane' signs in the early 1980s.
 
2013-03-12 03:18:26 PM
Oh, and in case anyone hasn't said it yet...495 in Virginia, and basically anything above Quantico on I95 is a godforsaken clusterfark hellhole that should not exist.

I'm sure Maryland leading into DC and Virginia is the same.
 
2013-03-12 03:20:37 PM

ahchoo: sentex: bluenote13:   My dad is one of those people that gets in the far left lane and sets the cruise control at the speed limit...even when the other 4 lanes next to him are cars flying past him honking and screaming.

Your dad is an asshole

THIS


We tell him this every time we are in the car with him.  His response is 'there are four other lanes they can use'.  Of course he is the same person who gets pissed off at people out in public walking too slow in front of him.
 
2013-03-12 03:22:19 PM

Rhypskallion: Did the laws in Maryland change?   Were they forced into a national standard?  Back when I lived there, (15 years ago) the I-95 left lanes were 'no trucks' and any lane was for passing.   They took down the 'pass in left lane' signs in the early 1980s.


I posted a link farther up to a site with a listing of keep right laws. MD does not appear to have one that applies here. It seems this woman may have a pretty good case.
 
2013-03-12 03:22:44 PM
i14.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-12 03:23:37 PM
The ticketing officer is a bona-fide Hero.  The only more appropriate use for the term 'Hero' would be a cop ticketing a smoker for throwing a cigarette butt on the ground.
 
2013-03-12 03:24:57 PM

JustGetItRight: timujin: "The reason [the ticket] is silly is because it's sending the wrong message," said John Townsend of AAA Mid-Atlantic. "And that is, 'We will tolerate you driving at more than the speed limit, but it you drive below the speed limit, then you're penalized for that'."

No, it's sending the message that if you're "experiencing heavy winds and <have> slowed down to be safe." you should also move over to the right lane.

Also:
[www.majhost.com image 489x323]

/yes, I know it doesn't cover every single instance
//but it's a handy guideline for people like this woman.

You're over complicating things.

Are you in the left lane?
If Yes, is there a car immediately in front of you?
If no, you're in the wrong lane.  Move over as soon as the right one is empty.


*sigh* No, you got that wrong.
Are you in the left lane?
If Yes, is there a car riding your ass?
If Yes, get the fark over slow poke.
 
2013-03-12 03:25:44 PM
Hero tag for the cop. Also, is there anywhere I can petition the government to add another lane on heavily driven 4-lane divided highways (meaning 2 lanes for each direction)? I-65 between Chicago and Indianapolis, I am looking in your general direction.
 
2013-03-12 03:27:25 PM
Just yesterday we had a slow person in the left lane on 295 (a two lane highway).  Everyone was passing them on the Right until the cop that was behind me, went over into the left hand land, turned on his high beams and lights and got on the bullhorn "Move over to the right hand lane".

Damn, I wish I had known he was going to do that, I would have made a video.  Needless to say, I'm sure everyone behind him was extremely happy.

FYI, the posted speed limit on 295 Maryland is 55, but regular flow of traffic is 70.  This was around the Laurel area just before NSA.
 
2013-03-12 03:28:09 PM

skozlaw: Rhypskallion: Did the laws in Maryland change?   Were they forced into a national standard?  Back when I lived there, (15 years ago) the I-95 left lanes were 'no trucks' and any lane was for passing.   They took down the 'pass in left lane' signs in the early 1980s.

I posted a link farther up to a site with a listing of keep right laws. MD does not appear to have one that applies here. It seems this woman may have a pretty good case.



So does that mean the "slower traffic keep right" signs are invalid? Because I've been in the car with someone who was pulled over for exactly that.
http://goo.gl/maps/O5b23
 
2013-03-12 03:28:46 PM

johnny_vegas: liam76: Maryland needs farkload more of this.

San Diego is actually pretty good for this on the whole.  Now, convincing drivers to let you merge is another issue.
if you really want to pull your hair out, drive around Oahu sometime.  You would think people get paid by the hour to drive.


I din't a project there and was otu for a week and a half two times.  ALmost every day I had to either drive around the Island or over Pali highway.  Much better there than MD when it comes to being slow in the left lane for no reason.
 
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