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(Telegraph)   If you're going to go wrestle sharks on an Australian beach, you might not want to be out on sick leave back in Britain. Footage of your shenanigans travels across the world quickly   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 79
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2013-03-12 02:32:13 PM

chopit: xaratherus: probesport: Those responsible for sacking the shark wrestler have also been sacked.


//llamas

His sister once carved her name in an octopus with a sharpened toothbrush...

A shark once bit my sister.


Shark bites kan be pretti nasti.
 
2013-03-12 02:41:09 PM

xaratherus: blatz514: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Dixon Cider: They said it was stress related to work.. not a bad back. Why was he fired again?

If you can take the stress of wrestling a shark you think an office job is going to mess you up? I've got to call bs too.

I'm guessing he doesn't wrastle sharks every day.  A one time event could have been awesome!

There are physiological differences between the stress brought about by a singular dangerous event and the constant stress of a job. In the former, the stress is short-lived and the adrenaline change has a very brief duration, to which the body is adapted; in the latter, the adrenaline changes are less but they are constant, which eventually takes a biological toll on the person.


So what you're saying is this fellow over years of chronic stress became addicted to his own adrenalin and needed to do something extreme to get a buzz.
 
2013-03-12 02:49:13 PM

Yanks_RSJ: CheekyMonkey: If someone cannot handle doing a particular job, whether it's because they are unable to deal with the associated stress or for some other reason, then that person is not fit for the job.  Period.

I'd agree, and I'm not sure how it's possible to miss two months of work without having your employer realize you're worthless.



Exactly. If you're at about week six and things are still running smoothly, you'd have to start wondering what exactly it is that employee does that you seem to be getting by fine without.
 
2013-03-12 03:03:06 PM

SJKebab: CheekyMonkey: Dixon Cider: They said it was stress related to work.. not a bad back. Why was he fired again?

If working for the charity is so stressful to you that you need several months of sick leave, then I submit that you aren't fit for the job.

10 years on the job doesn't warrant a 2 month vacation? Oh right, you're probably American, where dying on the job is considered a decent-enough retirement package.

Sorry mate, but those of us in the rest of the world consider work to be a means to an end, not the end in and of itself. He may work for a charity, but that doesn't mean he works for free.

I'm going to go ahead and make the assumption that you think all holidays are wasted time that could be better spent serving some rich fark who isn't even remotely aware of your existence.

Good for you. Maybe after a few years, you might earn 2/3rds of our minimum wage.


"Retirement package?"  What is a "retirement package?"
 
2013-03-12 03:04:19 PM

Sybarite: Two months of paid leave for "stress"? Sounds like those charity dollars are being well spent.


Could be.  Did you see the ex-pope leave in a helicopter?  To live in a castle?  Doing nothing (still)?
 
2013-03-12 03:15:14 PM

CheekyMonkey: If working for the charity is so stressful to you that you need several months of sick leave, then I submit that you aren't fit for the job.


I don't particularly disagree with your point, however, they didn't fire them because they simply aren't fit for the job.  They basically fired them for going on vacation while they had approved time off.

Were they expecting them to sit at home for the entirety of their leave?  As has been said, the time off was due to stress, not because of strained back or twisted knee.  A vacation to see friends in Australia seems like a perfectly reasonable way to blow of steam, the fact that an extraordinary set of circumstances were caught on tape doesn't seem to have any bearing on how stressful their jobs are.
 
2013-03-12 03:22:55 PM
Whenever NAME gives to charity, someone always uses the money to wrestle a shark. That's how come NAME turned out the way he has.
 
2013-03-12 03:31:01 PM

TonyDanza: CheekyMonkey: If working for the charity is so stressful to you that you need several months of sick leave, then I submit that you aren't fit for the job.

I don't particularly disagree with your point, however, they didn't fire them because they simply aren't fit for the job.  They basically fired them for going on vacation while they had approved time off.

Were they expecting them to sit at home for the entirety of their leave?  As has been said, the time off was due to stress, not because of strained back or twisted knee.  A vacation to see friends in Australia seems like a perfectly reasonable way to blow of steam, the fact that an extraordinary set of circumstances were caught on tape doesn't seem to have any bearing on how stressful their jobs are.


A vacation, OK.  Two MONTHS in Australia?  That's taking advantage of the "stress leave", and the dude got caught doing it.
 
2013-03-12 03:31:42 PM
DeathCipris:Please excuse my ignorant American ass, but what in the hell is stress leave?

Stress leave is also known as having a boss who gives a damn about their employees.

And it is not nonexistent in America; my husband's company has done this for him, though never for so long.

I do kinda feel like if they only gave out more reasonable amounts of vacation time it wouldn't ever be necessary, though.  The problem is not being able to take time off when you start to feel stressed because you foolishly already went to see both your parents and your in-laws this year.  So you just keep working right up until you're in the hospital.
 
2013-03-12 03:41:22 PM
Remember, if you're ever on disability, no matter what happens, it's okay to stand there, do nothing,  and watch.
 
2013-03-12 03:44:32 PM
"I never thought for one minute that wrestling with shark would cost me my job,"

It didn't, you weren't dismissed because  you saved children, or wrestled with sharks.  You were dismissed because you lied to your employer. What  you are doing, is trying to leverage the emotional response towards saving a bunch of children to get your job back.
 
2013-03-12 03:50:17 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Dixon Cider: They said it was stress related to work.. not a bad back. Why was he fired again?

If you can take the stress of wrestling a shark you think an office job is going to mess you up? I've got to call bs too.


Uhm, who said the event was stress-free? I'm sure the guy was very stressed running in there to GRAB a SHARK to SAVE CHILDREN. It's one of those kinds of "life or death" situations where people react regardless of the perceived stress because well... a life may be at stake. Because of his working with kids, it may have been even more natural to "hop to" which is an indicator of stress as well. Not equating babysitting with PTSD, just showing the mechanism in action at a lesser degree. Former soldiers are battle ready at a given moment, what the guy did was perfectly natural for a stressed person.
 
2013-03-12 03:51:33 PM

CheekyMonkey: A vacation, OK. Two MONTHS in Australia? That's taking advantage of the "stress leave", and the dude got caught doing it.


I honestly think you are arguing the wrong point.  Your issue really seems to be with the fact that they got the time off to begin with, which if you want to make that argument, fine.  But trying to argue that when given time off spending an extended amount of that time in Australia is somehow an issue is ridiculous.  If I get time off to get away from a stressful job, then I will spend as much of that time as I like doing whatever I find relaxing.
 
2013-03-12 03:52:33 PM

Caffandtranqs: SJKebab: CheekyMonkey: Dixon Cider: They said it was stress related to work.. not a bad back. Why was he fired again?

If working for the charity is so stressful to you that you need several months of sick leave, then I submit that you aren't fit for the job.

10 years on the job doesn't warrant a 2 month vacation? Oh right, you're probably American, where dying on the job is considered a decent-enough retirement package.

Sorry mate, but those of us in the rest of the world consider work to be a means to an end, not the end in and of itself. He may work for a charity, but that doesn't mean he works for free.

I'm going to go ahead and make the assumption that you think all holidays are wasted time that could be better spent serving some rich fark who isn't even remotely aware of your existence.

Good for you. Maybe after a few years, you might earn 2/3rds of our minimum wage.

"Retirement package?"  What is a "retirement package?"


That social security stuff the boomers are/will be draining from the rest of us.
 
2013-03-12 03:53:50 PM

Jesus built my hybrid: "I never thought for one minute that wrestling with shark would cost me my job,"

It didn't, you weren't dismissed because  you saved children, or wrestled with sharks.   You were dismissed because you lied to your employer. What  you are doing, is trying to leverage the emotional response towards saving a bunch of children to get your job back.


Citation needed. Prove he wasn't stressed or STFU.
 
2013-03-12 04:06:29 PM

ReverendJynxed: Caffandtranqs: SJKebab: CheekyMonkey: Dixon Cider: They said it was stress related to work.. not a bad back. Why was he fired again?

If working for the charity is so stressful to you that you need several months of sick leave, then I submit that you aren't fit for the job.

10 years on the job doesn't warrant a 2 month vacation? Oh right, you're probably American, where dying on the job is considered a decent-enough retirement package.

Sorry mate, but those of us in the rest of the world consider work to be a means to an end, not the end in and of itself. He may work for a charity, but that doesn't mean he works for free.

I'm going to go ahead and make the assumption that you think all holidays are wasted time that could be better spent serving some rich fark who isn't even remotely aware of your existence.

Good for you. Maybe after a few years, you might earn 2/3rds of our minimum wage.

"Retirement package?"  What is a "retirement package?"

That social security stuff the boomers are/will be draining from the rest of us.


THIS...Ah yes, I have heard them speak of these things when they come back from wintering in the desert southwest.
 
2013-03-12 04:25:09 PM

TonyDanza: CheekyMonkey: A vacation, OK. Two MONTHS in Australia? That's taking advantage of the "stress leave", and the dude got caught doing it.

I honestly think you are arguing the wrong point.  Your issue really seems to be with the fact that they got the time off to begin with, which if you want to make that argument, fine.  But trying to argue that when given time off spending an extended amount of that time in Australia is somehow an issue is ridiculous.  If I get time off to get away from a stressful job, then I will spend as much of that time as I like doing whatever I find relaxing.


Well, my original point was that if you need multiple months "sick leave" because your job stresses you out too much, then that particular job is not for you.

I'm OK with the concept of legitimate sick leave.  Several years ago, one of the programmers I supervise was out for 3+ months because of a nerve issue in his neck/spine.  I didn't get rid of him, because A) he's a good worker, and B) I knew he wasn't taking advantage of the situation.  He got better, and he still works for us.

In regards to the story in question is that the guy was obviously taking advantage of his employers' generosity.  If one is on sick leave, one is normally seeking treatment on a regular basis.  Pretty hard to do that when one is on vacation for 2 months several thousand miles from home.

Finally, in the UK, anyone on sick leave for more than 4 weeks is considered "long-term sick" and can be dismissed by their employer.  Sorry, I don't think this is a case of a "big, bad boss".  I think it's a case of an employee taking advantage.
 
2013-03-12 04:41:36 PM

CheekyMonkey: My job is quite stressful, and the fact that I can handle the stress without taking several months off might not make me better overall as a person, but it certainly makes me better at my job than someone who can't.

My point still stands. If someone cannot handle doing a particular job, whether it's because they are unable to deal with the associated stress or for some other reason, then that person is not fit for the job. Period.


The mistake you're making is assuming your situation is the same as his.  Average wage in Merthyr Tydfil is well below national average, and charities one of the lowest paid sectors.  I bet you get paid more than  he does.  I bet you don't work 7 days a week when contracted to do 5.  Has your employer drastically changed your job that requires extra work?  How do you know this didn't happen in this case?  You don't.

Further, your opinions on stress seem to be based on a lack of experience with it.  It can have very pervasive effect on things like your immune system, fertility, mental health and your heart.  Those things are serious issues, I'm sure you'll agree.  Here's a brief article on stress: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1406880.stm
There are thousands of studies and articles on this subject.  It exists and is far more serious than you think.  Period.

And no, I've never been signed off work with stress.
 
2013-03-12 04:54:22 PM

CheekyMonkey: In regards to the story in question is that the guy was obviously taking advantage of his employers' generosity.  If one is on sick leave, one is normally seeking treatment on a regular basis.  Pretty hard to do that when one is on vacation for 2 months several thousand miles from home.

Finally, in the UK, anyone on sick leave for more than 4 weeks is considered "long-term sick" and can be dismissed by their employer.  Sorry, I don't think this is a case of a "big, bad boss".  I think it's a case of an employee taking advantage.


What would be the treatment for stress. Change of scenery? Get a bit of sunshine? If he was on sick leave, a doctor must have signed him off, and since they have to sign you off in person, it must have been a long-term condition. There is no hard-and-fast rule about what sick leave you get. At one job I had previously, the charity would pay 3 months full salary, three months at half, and then after that they would fire you. My current employer pays sick leave only at their own discretion. It's entirely possible that this couple were on holiday at the advice of their doctor who had signed a certificate saying they were unfit to work.
 
2013-03-12 05:03:16 PM
I'm wondering what he told his employers before going on stress leave. That's part of the story that isn't being told and might be relevant to the loss of trust that occurred.
 
2013-03-12 05:13:17 PM

CheekyMonkey: "long-term sick"


CheekyMonkey: Finally, in the UK, anyone on sick leave for more than 4 weeks is considered "long-term sick" and can be dismissed by their employer. Sorry, I don't think this is a case of a "big, bad boss". I think it's a case of an employee taking advantage.


True, except you have omitted a few very important points:
"As a last resort, employers can dismiss an employee who is long-term sick, but before they can do this employers:

must consider if an employee can return to work - eg working flexibly or part-time, doing different or less stressful work (with training if necessary)

must consult with employees about when they could return to work and if their health will improve

An employee can take their case to an employment tribunal if they think they've been unfairly dismissed. "

https://www.gov.uk/taking-sick-leave
 
2013-03-12 05:27:38 PM

CheekyMonkey: Well, my original point was that if you need multiple months "sick leave" because your job stresses you out too much, then that particular job is not for you.


And I stated that I didn't really disagree with you on that point.  However, I will say that after 10 years in some jobs I can see where someone might need more than just a few days off here or there to recharge their batteries.

CheekyMonkey: I

n regards to the story in question is that the guy was obviously taking advantage of his employers' generosity. If one is on sick leave, one is normally seeking treatment on a regular basis. Pretty hard to do that when one is on vacation for 2 months several thousand miles from home.

Taking advantage?  At the recommendation of a doctor he asked for time off, it was given, and he took it.  As for seeking treatment, the treatment was the time off.  Or, if you think there should have been some sort of medical treatment, I'm pretty sure Australia has doctors that can help with dealing with stress.
 
2013-03-12 06:14:46 PM
And thats why like 10 people have been torn apart by sharks in the past year and why the government wants to cull sharks, like the great white, here. Old coont farking deserves to die on benefits.
 
2013-03-12 06:54:50 PM

DeathCipris: One, I call BS on this. He was on vacation, albeit not my first choice for a "stress-free environment" what with all the poisonous animals and things that want to kill me there. I consider taking a vacation to be pretty high up on the stress reducing activities list.

Two, what was he supposed to do? Just let the shark eat the child? While this would have been infinitely more entertaining, it wouldn't have boded well for the child.

Three...
FTA: "two month holiday in Australia."
TWO MONTHS?!? Did he blow ALL of his sick leave for 8 years? Or is this SOP to get 8 weeks of sick leave per year in Britain? Come one, 2 months is excessive. That's like farking short-term disability time-frame...and people think Americans are lazy.


The thing is, in the UK we have this weird scheme whereby the amount of time you can take off work sick roughly corresponds to the amount of time you are ill writhe time you require to get better. we don't have a farsical and arbitrary "allowance" of sick leave, because that is stupid.
 
2013-03-12 06:58:48 PM

thepeterd: CheekyMonkey: "long-term sick"

CheekyMonkey: Finally, in the UK, anyone on sick leave for more than 4 weeks is considered "long-term sick" and can be dismissed by their employer. Sorry, I don't think this is a case of a "big, bad boss". I think it's a case of an employee taking advantage.

True, except you have omitted a few very important points:
"As a last resort, employers can dismiss an employee who is long-term sick, but before they can do this employers:

must consider if an employee can return to work - eg working flexibly or part-time, doing different or less stressful work (with training if necessary)

must consult with employees about when they could return to work and if their health will improve

An employee can take their case to an employment tribunal if they think they've been unfairly dismissed. "

https://www.gov.uk/taking-sick-leave


Indeed. methinks we are not getting the whole story.

It would be a stupid lawyer who advised a stupid client to sack someone in this situation without good reason.
 
2013-03-12 08:19:33 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: DeathCipris:Please excuse my ignorant American ass, but what in the hell is stress leave?

Stress leave is also known as having a boss who gives a damn about their employees.

And it is not nonexistent in America; my husband's company has done this for him, though never for so long.

I do kinda feel like if they only gave out more reasonable amounts of vacation time it wouldn't ever be necessary, though.  The problem is not being able to take time off when you start to feel stressed because you foolishly already went to see both your parents and your in-laws this year.  So you just keep working right up until you're in the hospital.


Funny, I left a job that offered excellent benefits and vacation because when I actually tried to USE my vacation days I was told that no-one actually got to use their vacation because they would fall below quota.

Laughed when I asked for the money instead; "We don't do that"
 
2013-03-12 09:48:19 PM
Does anyone else have the link at the bottom of the site page about the "Canadian Found Dead, Tied to a Tree in Mexico" - apparently it's part of their Travel + Escape category. Seriously. http://www.travelandescape.ca/2012/11/ canadian-found-dead-tied-to-tree -in-mexico/
Doesn't anyone check for these kinds of errors?
 
2013-03-13 04:26:54 AM
If your job stresses you out, you're doing it wrong.  Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life.

...of course if you do, you'll never get to exploit "stress leave".

/is American
//has awesome job
///with lots of leave and great retirement benefits
 
2013-03-13 08:07:25 PM

xaratherus: The Stealth Hippopotamus: xaratherus: There are physiological differences between the stress brought about by a singular dangerous event and the constant stress of a job. In the former, the stress is short-lived and the adrenaline change has a very brief duration, to which the body is adapted; in the latter, the adrenaline changes are less but they are constant, which eventually takes a biological toll on the person.

So working at a Children's Charity is an extreme sport now?!

It could be, if the charity in question was the "Make an X-Wish Foundation".

/Little Timmy's last wish was to skydive from a low-Earth orbit
//He died from friction burns caused by the heating of his wheelchair
///Brought to you by Red Bull


Thanks a lot, Pal. Thanks to you, I'll going straight to Hell for lol'ing at that one.
 
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