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(BBC)   Thomas Jefferson's work on the Bill of Rights was inspired by an Iranian monarch. That sound you just heard was every Teabagger hastily editing Thomas Jefferson out of their crude, 1997 vintage-format sucky blogs   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 135
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2013-03-12 10:22:56 AM  
What I hear from Teabaggers is breathing through their mouths, not using a keyboard.
 
2013-03-12 10:23:32 AM  
Persia/Iran has spent many more years of its history being awesome than being crappy.  I'd love to visit but I doubt it'll be prudent in my lifetime.
 
2013-03-12 10:23:48 AM  
I thought that Teatards already hated Thomas Jefferson. Huh.
 
2013-03-12 10:24:04 AM  
Jefferson also owned a Koran and wrote a version of the Bible with all of the magic stuff cut out.  I've been shocked at how the Tea Party tries to act like he's one of their icons.

Washington and Adams were big government types, and Jefferson was a vocal Diest (Essentially an Athiest).
 
2013-03-12 10:25:37 AM  
he also cribbed a lot of it from the Iroquois Nations.
 
2013-03-12 10:27:00 AM  

Insaniteus: Jefferson also owned a Koran and wrote a version of the Bible with all of the magic stuff cut out.  I've been shocked at how the Tea Party tries to act like he's one of their icons.

Washington and Adams were big government types, and Jefferson was a vocal Diest (Essentially an Athiest).


Jefferson also when push came to shove realized that big government at times is a requirement for a nation to compete with other nations on a global scale.

Its funny how getting into the hot seat that is POTUS tends to change your perspectives.
 
2013-03-12 10:27:18 AM  
Wasn't Jefferson all but an atheist anyway? If the Jefferson Bible didn't turn the Tea Party off of Thomas Jefferson, i doubt that a loose tie between Jefferson and a document that has even less to do with the current government of Iran is going to push them over the edge.
 
2013-03-12 10:27:28 AM  

Lumpmoose: Persia/Iran has spent many more years of its history being awesome than being crappy.


It's a perfect example of how pervasive religious fanaticism in government can turn a great society into a shiat-hole in less than a generation..

Good thing all the Teabaggers understand that, and fully support keeping Jeebus out of the Constitution..
 
2013-03-12 10:27:55 AM  
Cyrus, famous for being the first ruler to think "maybe it would be more profitable to bribe other tribes into joining my kingdom instead of just killing all of them and turning them into slaves"
 
2013-03-12 10:28:45 AM  
No it still fits, Cyrus was really a Christian [ despite being born 500+ years too early] and he lowered taxes and outlawed government run health care and gay marriage.

/David Barton would be proud
 
2013-03-12 10:28:49 AM  

tolallorti: I thought that Teatards already hated Thomas Jefferson. Huh.


They do.  That whole "separation of church and state" thing kind of sticks in their craws.
 
2013-03-12 10:28:49 AM  

Insaniteus: Jefferson also owned a Koran and wrote a version of the Bible with all of the magic stuff cut out.  I've been shocked at how the Tea Party tries to act like he's one of their icons.

Washington and Adams were big government types, and Jefferson was a vocal Diest (Essentially an Athiest).


Essentially?

You had to ruin any cred right away.
 
2013-03-12 10:29:29 AM  

Lumpmoose: Persia/Iran has spent many more years of its history being awesome than being crappy.  I'd love to visit but I doubt it'll be prudent in my lifetime.


Eh. Considering they have only been under their own rule for roughly 400 of the last 3000 years or so, I'd say the jury is still out
 
2013-03-12 10:30:51 AM  
The only thing present-day Iran has in common with Persia in geography.
Persia was part of Jahiliyah, and thus to be reviled.
 
2013-03-12 10:32:24 AM  
Wasn't it Persia back then?
 
2013-03-12 10:32:35 AM  

Lumpmoose: Persia/Iran has spent many more years of its history being awesome than being crappy.  I'd love to visit but I doubt it'll be prudent in my lifetime.


Agreed.  For centuries Muslims were some of the most enlightened people on Earth - very forward thinking and educated.  Unfortunately they haven't been very good at living up to their ancestors recently.
 
2013-03-12 10:33:02 AM  

tolallorti: I thought that Teatards already hated Thomas Jefferson. Huh.


That. Already excised from history.
 
2013-03-12 10:34:42 AM  
Jefferson was sucking up because he wanted their oil. For his lamp.
 
2013-03-12 10:34:52 AM  

Insaniteus: Jefferson also owned a Koran and wrote a version of the Bible with all of the magic stuff cut out.  I've been shocked at how the Tea Party tries to act like he's one of their icons.

Washington and Adams were big government types, and Jefferson was a vocal Diest (Essentially an Athiest).


Selective memory, how the fark does that work?
 
2013-03-12 10:34:52 AM  
Never knew there were so many experts in Fark. THIS is where I should be, not in college.
 
2013-03-12 10:37:17 AM  
Weezy gonna be pissed.
 
2013-03-12 10:37:22 AM  
Yeah, Iran = X = Persia.
 
2013-03-12 10:37:46 AM  

houginator: Wasn't Jefferson all but an atheist anyway? If the Jefferson Bible didn't turn the Tea Party off of Thomas Jefferson, i doubt that a loose tie between Jefferson and a document that has even less to do with the current government of Iran is going to push them over the edge.


More like agnostic.  Deists believe in a god or higher power, but not the Christian God necessarily.  They reject the organized aspects of religion and much of the supernatural.
 
2013-03-12 10:41:32 AM  

Mrbogey: You had to ruin any cred right away.


You ever read the Jefferson Bible?
 
2013-03-12 10:42:11 AM  

Dog Welder: tolallorti: I thought that Teatards already hated Thomas Jefferson. Huh.

They do.  That whole "separation of church and state" thing kind of sticks in their craws.


It'd be fine if you would just stop oppressing them.  It's a Christian nation, dontchaknow, and it is God who makes America great, not some liberal ideals and principles written on some piece of paper.
 
2013-03-12 10:42:47 AM  
And pretty much every legal document we have traces back either to the Code of Hammurabi or to some religious text. Or both.

// so farking what?
// OHHhhh, because teabaggers are reactionary nutjobs
// "They were there, with torches in hand / while the lib'ry at Alexandria burned"
// "(woo-woo!) Pleased to meet you..."
 
2013-03-12 10:43:00 AM  
Tea Baggers grossly misquote the founding fathers/constitution/bible out of ignorance regularly.  They will just disavow this information because it doesn't fit their pre-determined conclusion.
 
2013-03-12 10:43:19 AM  
What part of the Bill of Rights did Jefferson write?
 
2013-03-12 10:44:25 AM  

Bloody William: Wasn't it Persia back then?


They had a prince, too.
 
2013-03-12 10:45:47 AM  
Rushdoony is the only founding father the teatards like.
 
2013-03-12 10:45:57 AM  
I had a roommate in college who was Persian and born in Iran. His perspective seemed to be more that the Persians =/= Iranians. The man did not like Arabs.
 
2013-03-12 10:46:03 AM  
Wasn't he also a Deist?  Hell, he wrote his own version of the Bible and ripped out all the fantasy stuff.

I think the Teabaggers/Right-wing Christian nut-jobs already hate this guy.
 
2013-03-12 10:47:34 AM  

TheOther: What part of the Bill of Rights did Jefferson write?


1st Amendment
 
2013-03-12 10:47:50 AM  

TheOther: What part of the Bill of Rights did Jefferson write?


All them commie librul parts.  The Founding Fathers let them stay in because Jesus said to be kind to the dumb.
 
2013-03-12 10:48:02 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Eh. Considering they have only been under their own rule for roughly 400 of the last 3000 years or so, I'd say the jury is still out


give me doughnuts: The only thing present-day Iran has in common with Persia in geography.
Persia was part of Jahiliyah, and thus to be reviled.


Both iffy statements.  When Persia was part of the Ottoman Empire, it had enormous political pull, moreso than even Turkey itself.
 
2013-03-12 10:48:04 AM  
Comparing ancient Persia to modern Iran doesn't make any more sense than the Tea Party's claims to be channeling the will of the Founding Fathers.
 
2013-03-12 10:48:08 AM  
Untrue! He wrote the entire Bill of Rights on vellum made from gorillas he beat to death with his bare fists.
i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-03-12 10:49:37 AM  

TheOther: What part of the Bill of Rights did Jefferson write?


None of it. He was in Europe at the time and exchanged a few letters with Madison about the Constitution, but Jefferson did no direct work on the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
 
2013-03-12 10:51:25 AM  
Sorry, Subby, in order for the Teahadists to do that, they'd need to LEARN something.
 
2013-03-12 10:51:33 AM  
The barrel-shaped clay cylinder was buried in the foundations of Babylon after Cyrus captured the city. It was unearthed in 1879 in Mesopotamia, modern day Iraq, by British archaeologist and diplomat, Hormuzd Rassam.

Thomas Jefferson had a time machine too?
 
2013-03-12 10:53:00 AM  

Wadded Beef: What I hear from Teabaggers is breathing through their mouths, not using a keyboard.


There seems to have been a lot of advances in drool recognition software lately
 
2013-03-12 10:53:19 AM  

Wellon Dowd: TheOther: What part of the Bill of Rights did Jefferson write?

None of it. He was in Europe at the time and exchanged a few letters with Madison about the Constitution, but Jefferson did no direct work on the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.


Madison admired Jefferson greatly, and listened to him on matters from politics to house design.

As has already been pointed out, the 1st Amendment is suspiciously close to Jefferson's own writings on the subject.
 
2013-03-12 10:54:03 AM  
The Bill of Rights, Constitution, and Declaration of Independence were based entirely on The Bible.

FACT.
 
2013-03-12 10:54:24 AM  

theknuckler_33: The barrel-shaped clay cylinder was buried in the foundations of Babylon after Cyrus captured the city. It was unearthed in 1879 in Mesopotamia, modern day Iraq, by British archaeologist and diplomat, Hormuzd Rassam.

Thomas Jefferson had a time machine too?


He borrowed Obama's.
 
2013-03-12 10:57:16 AM  
they've been retcon'ing the founding fathers for years. heck, just take a gander at david barton's works. his jefferson lies alone is proof enough that they don't care about actual facts.
 
2013-03-12 10:58:02 AM  

theknuckler_33: The barrel-shaped clay cylinder was buried in the foundations of Babylon after Cyrus captured the city. It was unearthed in 1879 in Mesopotamia, modern day Iraq, by British archaeologist and diplomat, Hormuzd Rassam.

Thomas Jefferson had a time machine too?


You should probably read the rest of the article.
 
2013-03-12 10:58:17 AM  
Q .how many times has the army of Nature's God defeated the army of Bible God ?
A. everytime
 
2013-03-12 11:01:24 AM  

houginator: and a document that has even less to do with the current government of Iran


You're new here, aren't you? These people are so black and white, it's crazy. They don't make distinctions between 'Old Iran' and 'New Iran', they're just stuck in the "Iran, B-A-D" groove on their own personal record players...
 
2013-03-12 11:02:05 AM  
The most correctly named book in history:

t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-12 11:06:55 AM  

hawcian: theknuckler_33: The barrel-shaped clay cylinder was buried in the foundations of Babylon after Cyrus captured the city. It was unearthed in 1879 in Mesopotamia, modern day Iraq, by British archaeologist and diplomat, Hormuzd Rassam.

Thomas Jefferson had a time machine too?

You should probably read the rest of the article.


tl;dr
 
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