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(Reuters)   Yahoo employees complain to CEO that they still have 800 vacancies because she is a snob who only wants CS degrees and only from certain schools. Her response? "Why can't we just be better at hiring"? And that's why she makes the big bucks   (reuters.com) divider line 257
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2013-03-12 12:01:58 PM

GameSprocket: soakitincider: this lady is a terrible CEO.

Yeah, the stock is only up about 40% since she took over. Terrible.


Because we all know the only way to measure a company's success is by its stock. Which is why we know GM (28.36 +0.05) is a better company than Ford (13.30 -0.04).
 
2013-03-12 12:03:33 PM
Mentat: I think the personally vetting every hire is a bit much, but as for the rest?  Why not?  The worst that happens is that Yahoo! doesn't improve and she walks away she drags Yahoo! even further into irrelevancy and then walks away from the smoking rubble with tens of millions in golden parachute money.  At best, she changes the culture for the better.

FTFY

It's not "gets better" or "stays the same".  The third option, continuing its downward spiral and imploding, is seeming more and more likely.  She's applying 20th century practices to a 21st century company.  This isn't IBM circa 1955.  The best talent these days doesn't necessarily come from Stanford or MIT, sometimes it's just a wunderkind hacker who's never even gone to college.  Ignoring that because of some antiquated idea of what corporate standards should be can ruin an IT company.
 
2013-03-12 12:04:13 PM

IlGreven: GameSprocket: soakitincider: this lady is a terrible CEO.

Yeah, the stock is only up about 40% since she took over. Terrible.

Because we all know the only way to measure a company's success is by its stock. Which is why we know GM (28.36 +0.05) is a better company than Ford (13.30 -0.04).


er, Ford has almost 3 times as many shares outstanding as GM
 
2013-03-12 12:08:50 PM

show me: Flint Ironstag: She automatically reject Steve Jobs and Bill Gates because neither have a degree.

I think Steve has worse problems now than not having a degree.


Though a liberal application of Degree may help with the smell.
/not sure that body responsive is the  best choice however

i.walmartimages.com
 
2013-03-12 12:09:11 PM

GameSprocket: traylor: GameSprocket: soakitincider: this lady is a terrible CEO.

Yeah, the stock is only up about 40% since she took over. Terrible.

Yeah, but Google's stock is up 43% since she left the company.

It is true that the markets are going up for just about everything, but Yahoo was (and still kinda is) a joke. Everyone just expected it to roll over and die.


It is rolling over and dying.  It's just the scavangers have an interest in keeping it alive long enough to drain every last bit of blood out of the carcass before it goes.  Any signs of improvement are just a smokescreen until the leeches have been fully sated.
 
2013-03-12 12:09:15 PM

JK47: GAT_00: I'm pretty convinced she's a terrible CEO no matter what, but her actions, such as banning mothers from staying home with their kids right as she finished a huge new nursery in her home, is the very definition of an out of touch CEO driving a company into the ground.  Her gender is irrelevant in that, except that her actions are somewhat more shocking when she personally knows better, or would if she had any empathy.


The nursery is in a room next to her office, it's not huge, and apparently she furnished it using her own funds and mostly by purchasing a few items from ikea (a table, some shelves, a crib).  She also returned to work 2 weeks after the birth as opposed to 2 months afterwards.


She still basically cancelled all work from home because she felt that people working at home weren't 100% focused on their jobs, and then, at the same time, installed something in HER office that makes it clear she doesn;t intend to focus on her job 100% of the time.  It's a really obnoxious expression of an RHIP attitude
 
2013-03-12 12:09:48 PM
"I want to have the image, talent, and hard-working staff of Google, but i don't want to take care of the employees as they do"


Yeah, great plan there.
 
2013-03-12 12:12:02 PM

tforbes: GameSprocket: soakitincider: this lady is a terrible CEO.

Yeah, the stock is only up about 40% since she took over. Terrible.

yah obviously.

and how much time do you spend on Yahoo now that she is CEO?


exactly.


1 billion times as much time.

She has been CEO for 9 months. Even if she had an idea for a big technology launch when she was hired, it wouldn't be ready yet.

Anyway, a "terrible CEO" is one that drives the company into the ground, not one that brings the stock price and profitability up.
 
2013-03-12 12:12:44 PM

timujin: It's not "gets better" or "stays the same".  The third option, continuing its downward spiral and imploding, is seeming more and more likely.  She's applying 20th century practices to a 21st century company.  This isn't IBM circa 1955.  The best talent these days doesn't necessarily come from Stanford or MIT, sometimes it's just a wunderkind hacker who's never even gone to college.  Ignoring that because of some antiquated idea of what corporate standards should be can ruin an IT company.


Its also the same line of thinking that keeps our CIA/FBI/NSA/etc agencies lacking in top anti-cyber-terrorist talent. because if you once made a mistake when you were 17 and did something stupid that most 17 year olds do, you are not allowed to work there.
 
2013-03-12 12:13:54 PM

Magorn: Still when I look at Mayer, and judge her performance so far, I can't hlep think she's a beneficiary of a fairly well documented pyschological phenomenon where men tend to think attractive women are more competent than they really are, and overlook mistakes they make.

too many women are hired because they have a vagina [quotas].

FTFY

No, I'm not a misogynist. The VP of Marketing where I work is a woman and has turned out company from an also-ran to a world leader for brand recognition and trust. On the other hand, our VP of security was hired specifically because they needed a vagina on the board and she submitted her resume. She's barely qualified to be a desk clerk in a security guard uniform.
 
2013-03-12 12:14:11 PM

Magorn: She still basically cancelled all work from home because she felt that people working at home weren't 100% focused on their jobs, and then, at the same time, installed something in HER office that makes it clear she doesn;t intend to focus on her job 100% of the time.  It's a really obnoxious expression of an RHIP attitude


Even in the bigger picture, nursery aside, she is basically saying that, as a cutting edge internet-based company, the internet is not a viable method for getting "real" work done. Brick and Mortar!
 
2013-03-12 12:15:39 PM
I would be curious to know how many universities (and which ones) are on her approved list.

I got my bachelor's in CS from a state college in 1990; since then, I have worked with many bright and talented engineers with similar educational backgrounds; I've even worked with a few who didn't have a degree. There are some very bright people don't go to MIT/Stanford/Berkeley/CMU/Harvard. And some of those people will work that much harder because they know that the name at the top of their diploma doesn't raise any eyebrows.
 
2013-03-12 12:16:07 PM

wxboy: Because the "best" people can see that Yahoo has no future.


THIS!!! Yahoo hasn't been relevant for a while now.
 
2013-03-12 12:17:03 PM

IlGreven: GameSprocket: soakitincider: this lady is a terrible CEO.

Yeah, the stock is only up about 40% since she took over. Terrible.

Because we all know the only way to measure a company's success is by its stock. Which is why we know GM (28.36 +0.05) is a better company than Ford (13.30 -0.04).


That is an odd comment. One way to know if you are comparing similar things is if the things you are comparing are actually just one thing at different times.

It is hard to be a successful company if you can't keep the doors open. I once worked at a place that created the world's faster super-scalar supercomputer, but the company was shut down a few hours after the first one was fired up. The company was a success in creating the technology, but failed because it was completely funded by IBM right at the time when IBM started cutting back to concentrate on its core business.
 
2013-03-12 12:18:17 PM

LemSkroob: Magorn: She still basically cancelled all work from home because she felt that people working at home weren't 100% focused on their jobs, and then, at the same time, installed something in HER office that makes it clear she doesn;t intend to focus on her job 100% of the time.  It's a really obnoxious expression of an RHIP attitude

Even in the bigger picture, nursery aside, she is basically saying that, as a cutting edge internet-based company, the internet is not a viable method for getting "real" work done. Brick and Mortar!


It is funny to see a company dismiss their business model. We're looking to implement a customer relationship management tool and we almost immediately dismissed any "cloud based" solution. We're a cloud based company. You can't explain that.
 
2013-03-12 12:18:36 PM

MindStalker: Endive Wombat: I then get a call from some Sr. HR person who is quite pissy with me on the phone and tells me that the deal is off. She goes on to say that they ONLY hire folks with college degrees, and relevant work experience, and work successes fall 2nd to the degree requirement. She told me "They pride themselves in having a staff that is 100% college educated." I then call the Sales Manager, who fights with HR and ownership for a week...I send off verifiable info like certs, proven sales records...I was even going to bring over 2 "in the bag" deals...

I did not get the job. Stupid, stupid people running that company. Last I heard, they were having some difficulty in staffing...

Reasons HR is overrated. In reality HR is pretty much identical to procurement but buying people instead of things. If the procurement doesn't like something about a specific order it will kick it back and force you to justify it, but it never tells a top manager that they CAN'T buy something because the specs don't fit whats on their fillin sheet.


Which is where ownership's opinion/desires kicked in...HR was simply enforcing a directive from ownership.  Either way, I think we can agree that this is just bad policy.

I do not think that I would go so far as to say that college is overrated, but there are jobs out there that simply do not require a degree and there are some brilliant folks out there that recognize that college/formal education is not for them.  I really hated college...yea I learned a lot, and I had some great professors...but college was not really for me at all...I struggled with it.

A piece of paper with your CS degree, and $100,000 in student loan debt, does not suddenly make you a more valuable employee over the self taught java developer...
 
2013-03-12 12:18:55 PM

JK47: GAT_00: I'm pretty convinced she's a terrible CEO no matter what, but her actions, such as banning mothers from staying home with their kids right as she finished a huge new nursery in her home, is the very definition of an out of touch CEO driving a company into the ground.  Her gender is irrelevant in that, except that her actions are somewhat more shocking when she personally knows better, or would if she had any empathy.


The nursery is in a room next to her office, it's not huge, and apparently she furnished it using her own funds and mostly by purchasing a few items from ikea (a table, some shelves, a crib).  She also returned to work 2 weeks after the birth as opposed to 2 months afterwards.


This is what I don't get- She is the CEO, in control of every aspect of the entire operation. It's just a tad different than the accountant or whatever who was working from home and is now put out. Is it just easier to be outraged?
 
2013-03-12 12:19:42 PM

IlGreven: GameSprocket: traylor: GameSprocket: soakitincider: this lady is a terrible CEO.

Yeah, the stock is only up about 40% since she took over. Terrible.

Yeah, but Google's stock is up 43% since she left the company.

It is true that the markets are going up for just about everything, but Yahoo was (and still kinda is) a joke. Everyone just expected it to roll over and die.

It is rolling over and dying.  It's just the scavangers have an interest in keeping it alive long enough to drain every last bit of blood out of the carcass before it goes.  Any signs of improvement are just a smokescreen until the leeches have been fully sated.


That could be. My only point was that there is no measure that indicates that Mayer is a terrible CEO. The company can still be shiat.
 
2013-03-12 12:19:49 PM

GameSprocket: Anyway, a "terrible CEO" is one that drives the company into the ground, not one that brings the stock price and profitability up.


If the last five years should have taught you anything, it's that driving a company into the ground often does bring the stock price and profitability up...for about 6 quarters. Then the BOD, CEO, and preferred stock owners liquidate the illusory profits, the employees find their retirement packages have mysteriously vanished, the creditors find themselves with a big stack of receivables, and the marks rubes suckers stockholders are left holding the bag.
 
2013-03-12 12:20:44 PM

IlGreven: GameSprocket: soakitincider: this lady is a terrible CEO.

Yeah, the stock is only up about 40% since she took over. Terrible.

Because we all know the only way to measure a company's success is by its stock. Which is why we know GM (28.36 +0.05) is a better company than Ford (13.30 -0.04).


You are being disingenuous. You know that an absolute stock price is not a measure of a company's health, it's the change over time. At least I hope you know that.
 
2013-03-12 12:21:01 PM

timujin: Mentat: I think the personally vetting every hire is a bit much, but as for the rest?  Why not?  The worst that happens is that Yahoo! doesn't improve and she walks away she drags Yahoo! even further into irrelevancy and then walks away from the smoking rubble with tens of millions in golden parachute money.  At best, she changes the culture for the better.

FTFY

It's not "gets better" or "stays the same".  The third option, continuing its downward spiral and imploding, is seeming more and more likely.  She's applying 20th century practices to a 21st century company.  This isn't IBM circa 1955.  The best talent these days doesn't necessarily come from Stanford or MIT, sometimes it's just a wunderkind hacker who's never even gone to college.  Ignoring that because of some antiquated idea of what corporate standards should be can ruin an IT company.


yes and no.

yahoo was a listless mess when i was there in 2006 during the famous "peanut butter memo" debacle. its only gotten much much worse since then.

she is correct in appyling the thumbscrews and bringing some order and discipline. people are gonna get pissed and leave, sure. but the ones who stay will be on board with the new vision and be the core to try to rebuild it. you dont change culture without... changing culture. And that shiat is hard to do and really can only do it by stirring shiat up.

who knows if she'll have any success in it, but she's trying, and she's making her presence felt, and itll be interesting to see what success, if any, she brings.

Y! is a second rate company now, it wont be 1 again ever if it even ever was. But it can be cleaned up, old properties smashed up and decomissioned, made more productive and consolidated. it wouldnt be hard to do a lot of good at yahoo.

their core properties are mail, sports, finance, the homepage and my.yahoo, and news. start jettisoning the properties that dont bring naything in, and good stuff'll happen i bet.
 
2013-03-12 12:21:58 PM

Magorn: Mayer's insistence on her hires not only having the "right" degree (CS as opposed to say EE) and from the "right" schools (incuding her alma mater -natch), pretty much eliminates a huge talent pool that includes some of the most innovative people in the valley


She won't accept EEs? And what schools does she accept?

This is moronic. It's not like the top students from the top universities want to work at Yahoo. So they will get the crappy ones that are 1/10 as productive as a self-taught programmer with a passion.
 
2013-03-12 12:24:17 PM

Endive Wombat: I then get a call from some Sr. HR person who is quite pissy with me on the phone and tells me that the deal is off.  She goes on to say that they ONLY hire folks with college degrees, and relevant work experience, and work successes fall 2nd to the degree requirement.  She told me "They pride themselves in having a staff that is 100% college educated."  I then call the Sales Manager, who fights with HR and ownership for a week...I send off verifiable info like certs, proven sales records...I was even going to bring over 2 "in the bag" deals...


Things started going to shiat when they went from calling it "Personnel" and re-branded it "Human Resources"  Pretty much tells you what they think of you right there. You aren't a person, you are a bag of meat with a given value tagged on it, like coal, or oil, to be used and discarded/replaced as needed.
 
2013-03-12 12:24:57 PM
Yeah might as well park the domain and collect some revenue.
 
2013-03-12 12:25:06 PM
If she wants to review and approve EVERY applicant then she's going to drive away her top managers and disillusion her employees pretty quickly.  When the CEO rejects the qualified candidate that the manager has already selected, she's telling the manager that he sucks and is a retard.  That kind of thing doesn't go over well.  Plus the guy who's overwhelmed with work and has empty cubicles on either side of him is going to burn out pretty fast.

Problems:  A) CEO approving every hire - that's not the CEO's job; B) Setting arbitrary and irrelevant standards for new hires that have nothing to do with the work product.

If she wants to be "better at hiring" there's one sure-fire way to do it - PAY MORE.  Other than that, you have to widen your acceptable pool (not doing it) and/or make the workplace more inviting (totally blew it) so......good luck with that.
 
2013-03-12 12:25:38 PM

Magorn: She still basically cancelled all work from home because she felt that people working at home weren't 100% focused on their jobs, and then, at the same time, installed something in HER office that makes it clear she doesn;t intend to focus on her job 100% of the time.  It's a really obnoxious expression of an RHIP attitude


And studies show work-from-home is more productive. So she's ignoring empirical reality and going with her gut.

If she was really concerned, maybe yahoo could track worker productivity at home vs work, but that would require them to work with information, data processing and analytics, which is way outside Yahoo's domain.
 
2013-03-12 12:26:17 PM

impaler: Magorn: Mayer's insistence on her hires not only having the "right" degree (CS as opposed to say EE) and from the "right" schools (incuding her alma mater -natch), pretty much eliminates a huge talent pool that includes some of the most innovative people in the valley

She won't accept EEs? And what schools does she accept?

This is moronic. It's not like the top students from the top universities want to work at Yahoo. So they will get the crappy ones that are 1/10 as productive as a self-taught programmer with a passion.


Its just going to become a magnet for the C+ average George Bushes of the world.

What do you call a surgeon that graduated at the bottom of his class? 'Doctor'
 
2013-03-12 12:27:12 PM
I've been in the software business for close to 20 years. Believing that a degree is necessary to write code is the mark of someone who is utterly incompetent and completely out of touch with reality. While Ms. Mayer certainly isn't responsible for Yahoo's slide, it seems she's just having some fun as the ship slides beneath the water.
 
2013-03-12 12:27:19 PM

Endive Wombat: A piece of paper with your CS degree, and $100,000 in student loan debt, does not suddenly make you a more valuable employee over the self taught java developer...


employers dont care about your student debt, so youre confusing hireability from an employers perspective with the exchange you make as a student at a university vs. being self taught.

and youre damn straight an employer will take a CS degree over a self taughter, what are you high? you learn more in a good CS program than just "learning java". I can buy a rifle and go out to the firing range and "learn to shoot", does this mean i have the same skills as a guy who goes through Ranger School with the Army?

Ostensibly, getting a CS degree at a good university, will not only teach you how to program various computer languages, but also rewire your brain, train you how to think, and solve problems. this is different than being a "self taught java programmer".
 
2013-03-12 12:28:02 PM

cefm: Problems:  A) CEO approving every hire - that's not the CEO's job; B) Setting arbitrary and irrelevant standards for new hires that have nothing to do with the work product.


Come on now. Despite that it's obviously moronic, it shows she's willing to initiate bold unpopular ideas - just what the company needs!
 
2013-03-12 12:29:12 PM

Endive Wombat: A piece of paper with your CS degree, and $100,000 in student loan debt, does not suddenly make you a more valuable employee over the self taught java developer...


I partially agree, the CS degree demonstrates that the prospective employee is able to successfully navigate workloads they may not particularly enjoy and to quickly learn new topics whether they want to or not.  Without trying to make too many assumptions its likely a safer bet to go for that person over the self-taught who may be awesome at Java but might actively dig in their heels if asked to do something they don't like or uncomfortable with.

There's merits to both but in the end those without the degrees and under 40 in this field are a higher risk, no denying that I think
 
2013-03-12 12:29:28 PM

Magorn: in the late 90's even HAVING a degree was a serious red flag for many tech start-ups. If you were any good, the thinking went, why would you have hung around in college for four years? Instead a lot of the best and brightest were ID'ed by their professors who tipped off their friends running start-ups and they were whisked away to six figure salaries and stock options. Mayer's insistence on her hires not only having the "right" degree (CS as opposed to say EE) and from the "right" schools (incuding her alma mater -natch), pretty much eliminates a huge talent pool that includes some of the most innovative people in the valley


And what happened to most of those 90's start-ups?  I seem to recall a lot of talk about "The New Economy" and how the laws of supply and demand had been conquered.  It turns out that it doesn't matter how talented you are if no one in your company actually knows how to run a business.  If Mayer is short-sighted for only hiring based on degree, it would seem to me to be just as short-sighted to black flag anyone that has a degree based on some internal bias you have regarding college.

timujin: t's not "gets better" or "stays the same". The third option, continuing its downward spiral and imploding, is seeming more and more likely. She's applying 20th century practices to a 21st century company. This isn't IBM circa 1955. The best talent these days doesn't necessarily come from Stanford or MIT, sometimes it's just a wunderkind hacker who's never even gone to college. Ignoring that because of some antiquated idea of what corporate standards should be can ruin an IT company.


Yes, because what does a 13 year Google VP executive know about 21st Century tech business practices?  Maybe she fails.  She certainly wouldn't be the first Yahoo CEO to do so.  But whatever Yahoo has done over the past ten years hasn't worked, so they might as well let her do her thing and see if it works out.
 
2013-03-12 12:29:46 PM

Endive Wombat: JK47: GAT_00: I'm pretty convinced she's a terrible CEO no matter what, but her actions, such as banning mothers from staying home with their kids right as she finished a huge new nursery in her home, is the very definition of an out of touch CEO driving a company into the ground.  Her gender is irrelevant in that, except that her actions are somewhat more shocking when she personally knows better, or would if she had any empathy.


The nursery is in a room next to her office, it's not huge, and apparently she furnished it using her own funds and mostly by purchasing a few items from ikea (a table, some shelves, a crib).  She also returned to work 2 weeks after the birth as opposed to 2 months afterwards.

Sounds to me like she's got a lot to prove to someone...


Is... is that not normal?  Sorry if this is a stupid question, but aren't you recovered enough after childbirth after two weeks to return to work?  What's normal for that?

/possibly getting pregnant
//i'm the main earner. he's going to be a stay-at-home dad, so I need to work.
 
2013-03-12 12:31:03 PM

Father_Jack: Endive Wombat: A piece of paper with your CS degree, and $100,000 in student loan debt, does not suddenly make you a more valuable employee over the self taught java developer...

employers dont care about your student debt, so youre confusing hireability from an employers perspective with the exchange you make as a student at a university vs. being self taught.

and youre damn straight an employer will take a CS degree over a self taughter, what are you high? you learn more in a good CS program than just "learning java". I can buy a rifle and go out to the firing range and "learn to shoot", does this mean i have the same skills as a guy who goes through Ranger School with the Army?

Ostensibly, getting a CS degree at a good university, will not only teach you how to program various computer languages, but also rewire your brain, train you how to think, and solve problems. this is different than being a "self taught java programmer".


The most incompetent people I've ever worked with were those with CS degrees.
 
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2013-03-12 12:32:57 PM
Yahoo is known to be a marketing-driven company, not a tech-driven one.  She's got a serious uphill battle fighting that perception.

Lastly, Marissa is well-known to be a rolling biatch on wheels and difficult to work for.  So good luck with that.
 
2013-03-12 12:33:19 PM
She wanted to give the LSAT to admins? Really? That's stupid.

Re: the college degree thing: I know some people who work for a large company that requires only certain bachelor's degrees (CS, CE, EE, etc.) for many positions. They don't do this because they want to. They do this because it cuts down on discrimination claims when someone doesn't get hired. They used to take the self taught, and the history majors turned computer gurus... and it bit them in the ass.
 
2013-03-12 12:34:05 PM
Anything to avoid facing the fact that the common denominator of every problem in the company is her.
 
2013-03-12 12:34:30 PM

CPennypacker: Shrugging Atlas: If Mayer wasn't a good looking woman, would Yahoo! be getting any attention at all regardless of all these stupid policies?  Honest to god, every time it comes up the only thing I can think of is, "Why the fark is Yahoo still around?"

No seriously, why is yahoo still around?


Fantasy sports?
 
2013-03-12 12:36:25 PM

Father_Jack: she is correct in appyling the thumbscrews and bringing some order and discipline


That is an assumption that remains to be proven.  She could be correct, she could be terribly wrong.  There are a lot of ways to change a corporate culture other than dragging it back to the 1950's.
 
2013-03-12 12:38:23 PM

Darke: Is... is that not normal?  Sorry if this is a stupid question, but aren't you recovered enough after childbirth after two weeks to return to work?  What's normal for that?


You're physically "recovered" enough to go back to work after a couple of days.  But most mothers prefer to stay home for about six weeks to bond with their infant, a process that most pediatricians agree is very important for the future mental and physical health of the child.

I suspect though, that a policy of woman coming back after a specific amount of time that's much shorter than average has more to do with the company not wanting the mom to change her mind about coming back at all.  Because that happens a fair amount as well.
 
2013-03-12 12:40:04 PM

Darke: Endive Wombat: JK47: GAT_00: I'm pretty convinced she's a terrible CEO no matter what, but her actions, such as banning mothers from staying home with their kids right as she finished a huge new nursery in her home, is the very definition of an out of touch CEO driving a company into the ground.  Her gender is irrelevant in that, except that her actions are somewhat more shocking when she personally knows better, or would if she had any empathy.


The nursery is in a room next to her office, it's not huge, and apparently she furnished it using her own funds and mostly by purchasing a few items from ikea (a table, some shelves, a crib).  She also returned to work 2 weeks after the birth as opposed to 2 months afterwards.

Sounds to me like she's got a lot to prove to someone...

Is... is that not normal?  Sorry if this is a stupid question, but aren't you recovered enough after childbirth after two weeks to return to work?  What's normal for that?

/possibly getting pregnant
//i'm the main earner. he's going to be a stay-at-home dad, so I need to work.


My doctor didn't even want me to drive until two weeks after childbirth, and I had a really easy birth. A lot of women take at least six weeks to feel remotely normal, and that's without complications. Hemorrhage a bunch of blood or have a C-section? Expect recovery to take longer. Two weeks is CRAZY.
 
2013-03-12 12:41:16 PM

GameSprocket: soakitincider: this lady is a terrible CEO.

Yeah, the stock is only up about 40% since she took over. Terrible.


Because we all know that current stock prices always accurately predict the health of a company.
 
2013-03-12 12:45:13 PM

Darke: Endive Wombat:  She also returned to work 2 weeks after the birth as opposed to 2 months afterwards.

Is... is that not normal?


It's normal in countries without paid maternity leave.  Whether it's desirable or optimal are separate questions.
 
2013-03-12 12:45:38 PM

Father_Jack: their core properties are mail, sports, finance, the homepage and my.yahoo, and news.


I was under the impression that Yahoo's revenue came mostly from ad serving and invisible services that the consumer never notices, and that the Yahoo we think about is mostly legacy. I don't remember where I heard that, though.
 
2013-03-12 12:45:59 PM

Father_Jack: timujin: Mentat: I think the personally vetting every hire is a bit much, but as for the rest?  Why not?  The worst that happens is that Yahoo! doesn't improve and she walks away she drags Yahoo! even further into irrelevancy and then walks away from the smoking rubble with tens of millions in golden parachute money.  At best, she changes the culture for the better.

FTFY

It's not "gets better" or "stays the same".  The third option, continuing its downward spiral and imploding, is seeming more and more likely.  She's applying 20th century practices to a 21st century company.  This isn't IBM circa 1955.  The best talent these days doesn't necessarily come from Stanford or MIT, sometimes it's just a wunderkind hacker who's never even gone to college.  Ignoring that because of some antiquated idea of what corporate standards should be can ruin an IT company.

yes and no.

yahoo was a listless mess when i was there in 2006 during the famous "peanut butter memo" debacle. its only gotten much much worse since then.

she is correct in appyling the thumbscrews and bringing some order and discipline. people are gonna get pissed and leave, sure. but the ones who stay will be on board with the new vision and be the core to try to rebuild it. you dont change culture without... changing culture. And that shiat is hard to do and really can only do it by stirring shiat up.

who knows if she'll have any success in it, but she's trying, and she's making her presence felt, and itll be interesting to see what success, if any, she brings.

Y! is a second rate company now, it wont be 1 again ever if it even ever was. But it can be cleaned up, old properties smashed up and decomissioned, made more productive and consolidated. it wouldnt be hard to do a lot of good at yahoo.

their core properties are mail, sports, finance, the homepage and my.yahoo, and news. start jettisoning the properties that dont bring naything in, and good stuff'll happen i bet.


I think the specific issue here is that she's not will to accept it's no longer a top tier company.  She only wants to hire top tier employees, except those types of people aren't even applying at Yahoo; they go to work at actual top tier companies like Google.
 
2013-03-12 12:48:15 PM
RexTalionis
Bill Gates has an honorary degree from Harvard.

Jobs had an honorary degree, too. I think the point is that they got those honorary degrees long after they became wealthy and successful.

/this is what happens when non-geeks try to run technology companies
//maybe she knows the hiring process is farked because they hired her
 
2013-03-12 12:50:01 PM

ZAZ: Standards or no standards, putting one person as the bottleneck for 900 hires is going to cause trouble.

But Yahoo needs to cut payroll, and her policies are doing that. An employee who quits in outrage over being forced to come to work saves about $200,000 in expenses.


Except that it's an extraordinarily haphazard way to do that. What good are you achieving is a highly productive employee quits but a less productive employee, who doesn't care about telecommuting, stays? Instead of focusing on talent, she's just randomly throwing branches into the fire and calling it leadership.
 
2013-03-12 12:51:31 PM

Mentat: timujin: t's not "gets better" or "stays the same". The third option, continuing its downward spiral and imploding, is seeming more and more likely. She's applying 20th century practices to a 21st century company. This isn't IBM circa 1955. The best talent these days doesn't necessarily come from Stanford or MIT, sometimes it's just a wunderkind hacker who's never even gone to college. Ignoring that because of some antiquated idea of what corporate standards should be can ruin an IT company.

Yes, because what does a 13 year Google VP executive know about 21st Century tech business practices? Maybe she fails. She certainly wouldn't be the first Yahoo CEO to do so. But whatever Yahoo has done over the past ten years hasn't worked, so they might as well let her do her thing and see if it works out.


I was only pointing out that there's a third option beyond "gets better" or "stays the same".  My opinion, having been in this industry for a long time, is that she's making a mistake.  But it will shake out one way or another soon enough.

Here's the thing.  I'm moving to the westside and I will probably be looking for a job over there eventually.  Yahoo is definitely off my list.  Google, though...

/yeah, I get that they don't care, but that's kind of the point.
//actually, I'll probably end up at a studio, they've been coming after me pretty hard the last few months...
 
2013-03-12 12:51:39 PM

CPennypacker: Shrugging Atlas: If Mayer wasn't a good looking woman, would Yahoo! be getting any attention at all regardless of all these stupid policies?  Honest to god, every time it comes up the only thing I can think of is, "Why the fark is Yahoo still around?"

No seriously, why is yahoo still around?


So I have a place for all my junk email to go when I need an email address I don't actually use?
 
2013-03-12 12:52:02 PM

Darke: Endive Wombat: JK47: GAT_00: I'm pretty convinced she's a terrible CEO no matter what, but her actions, such as banning mothers from staying home with their kids right as she finished a huge new nursery in her home, is the very definition of an out of touch CEO driving a company into the ground.  Her gender is irrelevant in that, except that her actions are somewhat more shocking when she personally knows better, or would if she had any empathy.


The nursery is in a room next to her office, it's not huge, and apparently she furnished it using her own funds and mostly by purchasing a few items from ikea (a table, some shelves, a crib).  She also returned to work 2 weeks after the birth as opposed to 2 months afterwards.

Sounds to me like she's got a lot to prove to someone...

Is... is that not normal?  Sorry if this is a stupid question, but aren't you recovered enough after childbirth after two weeks to return to work?  What's normal for that?

/possibly getting pregnant
//i'm the main earner. he's going to be a stay-at-home dad, so I need to work.


All I am saying...based off the articles that have come out as of late concerning this CEO's performance, style, and policies is that she seems...at least to me...to be embracing the "I am woman, hear me roar!!!" thing a bit much.  Shes enacting policies that really seem bizarre for a high tech company.  As stated above, her requiring everyone to work at the office is basically saying "yeah, I do not know if I trust this whole internet thing..."  Her requiring that she is to interview/vet every new hire is very dumb and totally unproductive...that is not the job of a CEO...she's basically pissing all over her managers and undermining them...

My wife and I do not have children yet.  That being said, I do think that aspects of the "American work ethic" are insane.  The first several weeks after child birth are for mommy and baby to bond.  The idea that work is more important than the child you are raising is sad.  There should be a clear differentiation between work life and home life, and this CEO is basically trying to meld the two, and personally I find that to be unacceptable.  This policy of non-telecommuting is bad for innovation.  Brilliance and inspiration does not necessarily exist between 9am-5pm.

I can also say, that if I had to deal with 10 screaming children in my office/row of cubes because the CEO barred telecommuting, I would be pissed.  I do not need to hear about lactating, breast pumps, diaper brands, etc...and that is the office environment I do not want to be in.
 
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