Dr Dreidel: kiwimoogle84: http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/senior-hill-staffers-exe mp ted-obamacareYeesh. Written by Ben Domenech, not known for his journalistic integrity.But anyway, Congress is "exempt" the same way I am - because my employer offers qualifying health coverage. Grassley's amendment would have closed that program to put members of Congress on the exchanges, but Congress changed it to only apply to members of their staffs and not to the members themselves.Yeah, it looks bad, but the Congressional health plan (really, the whole benefits package) is a gold-plated sweetheart deal anyway.// perhaps one of the fixes will be to reinstate that amendment as intended - it should be
durbnpoisn: mod3072: xaratherus: Let's hypothetically assume that the study - which was funded and performed by the Congressional Management Foundation, so there's no possibility of bias there at all - is accurate, and they really do work upwards of 70 hours a week.I could put in 70 hours a week at my job as well.That doesn't mean that I'm effectively performing my job, or in fact actually accomplishing anything worthwhile.So even if we assume that they really are working 70+ hours a week, the product of that work (or lack thereof, as the case may be) indicates that they are not working effectively.This is basically what I came here to say. I don't give a fat flying fark how hard you say you work or how many hours you put in sexually harassing your interns. Show me some farking results, or show yourself to the door. Try walking in to your boss's office and saying "Hey boss, I didn't get a goddamn thing accomplished last month, but I worked really hard at not getting shiat done!" and see how fast your ass is standing in the unemployment line. Then again, congress has a lower approval rating than that new drug-resistant super-gonorrhea that's going around, but we keep on re-electing the farkers, so I guess we're just really shiatty bosses.Who do you suggest we elect?We are stuck in a "democracy" that is totally broken. We don't get to choose who we vote for. People who are in control already simply prop someone up and say, "This is the person that represents our party." There are only 2 of them in any real position to get elected. So, you can either vote for one of them, or one of the gazillion independants who stand no chance of getting elected (thus the old adage of "choosing the lesser of 2 evils" or "wasting your vote").If anyone has any means of fixing this short of outright revolution, I'm all ears. Otherwise this entire conversation is nothing more than a huge, scentless, fart in the wind.
Xythero: Cybernetic: The House was in session for 153 days in 2012. Yeah, they're totally busting their asses.House sessions are for presenting and arguing bills. A lot of work has to be done before that stage in the game.
durbnpoisn: There are only 2 of them in any real position to get elected. So, you can either vote for one of them, or one of the gazillion independants who stand no chance of getting elected (thus the old adage of "choosing the lesser of 2 evils" or "wasting your vote").
nmemkha: So they work 70 hour weeks and still get nothing done?They're not lazy; they're just horribly incompetent.
Dr Dreidel: And they could also be primaried by the Tea Party for daring to not punch Obama in the face when he walks by. I bet in 2008 Dick Lugar thought his seat was safe. (Ditto Orrin Hatch, but he ended up barely winning.)
enemy of the state: I think the salaries are about $160K a year. That's squat in DC. I rent a three bedroom split level, no garage, no basement, 15 miles out of town, $2500 a month, for example. A decent house sells for a million in the burbs, probably three million in the safe parts of DC.Every once in a while someone in the cabinet, like Tom what's his name who was head of homeland security and had two kids in college, will say they have to quit because they can't cut it financially. Tom was telling the truth. I make $120K a year, I drive a car with 260,000 miles on it, and I have $500 in the bank. And no, I don't live extravagantly, believe it or not. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't live here.
kiwimoogle84: I was thinking more, pay them like a government servant like they should be. A comfortable 50K per year or something. You don't get rid of the pay ENTIRELY, just stop the overinflation of the salaries when equated to how much work they actually do. Maybe pay them a stipend for part of the year when they're in office- like a deployment salary. Then pay them minimum otherwise.
mongbiohazard: No. See the links in my previous post. Most of a congressperson's job now is fundraising for their party and their campaigns. Those "working" lunches, breakfasts and dinners? They're not getting together socially with other lawmakers to discuss legislation... They're fundraising from lobbyists.
Gunny Walker: Cybernetic: The House was in session for 153 days in 2012. Yeah, they're totally busting their asses.Them's schoolteacher hours.
Firethorn: I think you'd have more point if I hadn't listed 'Campaigning for election/re-election' as the FIRST THING in my breakout of tasks. The only real difference between us is that I consider the things a critter does to KEEP his job as part of the job. Want them to work more on running the country and less on keeping their job? Alter the game.
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