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(Washington Post)   Is Obamacare about to raise taxes on the middle class by $1 TRILLION? Well, is it?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 61
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2013-03-12 11:19:14 AM
11 votes:
0bamacare is going to Socialism your guns and gay marry you to a FEMA camp in Benghazi.
2013-03-12 11:21:22 AM
9 votes:
i76.photobucket.com
2013-03-12 10:32:06 AM
9 votes:
Is Obama going to use that money to fund Friends of Hamas? Well, is he?

I'm just asking questions here
2013-03-12 11:18:42 AM
6 votes:
Obamacare has been taking your lunch out of the fridge at work. Last month it left you a note asking you to not be so cheap with the cheese.
2013-03-12 10:40:27 AM
6 votes:
No, but Obamacare is sleeping with your wife.  Sorry to had to learn about it on FARK.
2013-03-12 11:39:39 AM
5 votes:
i184.photobucket.com
2013-03-12 11:17:41 AM
5 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-03-12 11:15:47 AM
5 votes:
"More importantly, doesn't it kind of feel like it is when you keep having to see headlines like this? I mean, if this administration cared about The United States of America wouldn't it not include these non existent tax hikes, provisions, decrees, etc. in its legislation? Why do they keep not putting these in their agenda? What is there agenda here and how can we be sure it isn't not this?"
2013-03-12 11:38:37 AM
4 votes:

kid_icarus: Twigz221: We really need to stop calling it Obamacare. It was written and passed by congress, not Obama.  Plus, before being passed it was so heavily altered by the Republicans due to demands by the insurance lobbyists that it hardly resembled what Obama proposed they do in the first place.

We will only stop calling it Obamacare if it becomes clear that the program is a success.

/we don't want Nobama taking credit for something positive
//in that unlikely event, we will not only start calling it the Affordable Care Act, we will act like we had always been calling it that


Rectal thermometers, however, will be officially renamed Obamamometers.
2013-03-12 11:36:00 AM
4 votes:

Twigz221: We really need to stop calling it Obamacare. It was written and passed by congress, not Obama.  Plus, before being passed it was so heavily altered by the Republicans due to demands by the insurance lobbyists that it hardly resembled what Obama proposed they do in the first place.


We will only stop calling it Obamacare if it becomes clear that the program is a success.

/we don't want Nobama taking credit for something positive
//in that unlikely event, we will not only start calling it the Affordable Care Act, we will act like we had always been calling it that
2013-03-12 01:10:16 PM
3 votes:

kendelrio: You didn't answer my question. Why should I pay for someone elses healthcare? There is no benefit to me. Why should I bust my ass to provide for my family only to have more of my wages taken to pay for someone else's benefits?

Also, at what age is a person a farking adult? Kids mandated to stay on my insurance until they're 26? That's bullshiat too. If a "kid" can go to PMITA prison for life at 18, join the military at 18, get married at 18 drink a beer or other things legally, why should I have to foot their insurance bill? So now I'm paying for MY families insurance, some farker who can't afford their insurance AND their crotchfruits insurance until they're 26? fark that!


youaresketch.typepad.com

AH, look! Crikey!

It's the elusive "I got mine, fark everyone else" mentality in it's wild, natural habitat! The anonymity of the internet literally allows it to be a complete dick to everyone else without fear of being called out and shamed by the rest of it's species.

Truly, truly majestic, it is. Beautiful plumage.
2013-03-12 12:24:07 PM
3 votes:

CheekyMonkey: festoon: Best advice when you're trying to wade through all the complex political crap: If a Republican Politician says it, its a lie.

FTFY.


There's a big difference between Democrats and Republicans. A Democrat might steal candy from a baby, and then lie about it.

A Republican would steal candy from a baby, then they'd steal the baby. Then they'd try to convince you the damn socialist Demoncrats stole the baby, while they barbeque it, dice it up an serve it to you on a hoagie roll. And if you happen to recognize the baby on your plate slathered in BBQ sauce, with Republican fingerprints all over it, they'll try to blame it all on Obama.

At this point you can tell who the Tea Bagger is, because he'd be the one who'd dig in and start eating.
2013-03-12 11:16:13 AM
3 votes:

Citrate1007: Yay! Republican math thread.


Ohh, I love math!  Is this the part where we divide by zero?

gonzoj.files.wordpress.com
2013-03-12 11:14:28 AM
3 votes:
Obamacare drank the last of the milk and didn't replace it. It's so inconsiderate.
2013-03-12 11:13:29 AM
3 votes:
Yay! Republican math thread.
2013-03-12 01:05:18 PM
2 votes:
Obamacare didn't wash its hands after it peed and then it went and put its hands on all the sodas in my fridge.

/ sodas are > 16oz so SUCK IT Mayor Bloomberg!
2013-03-12 12:19:37 PM
2 votes:
i159.photobucket.com
2013-03-12 11:56:43 AM
2 votes:
enry:  ....  1) OTC medications can no longer be paid out of my medical FSA ....

If Republicans really wanted to de-fund birth control, all they would have to do is make it over-the-counter. Millions fewer women would be able to afford it (as insurance does not cover OTC meds).... and now they wouldn't even be able to use the FSA to reduce costs.

But Republican voters are far too un-subtle to 'get' that, ensuring a backlash of titanic proportions if they actually took the single most effective step towards eliminating what they see as the greatest evil in society since universal suffrage. It's hilarious.
2013-03-12 11:46:40 AM
2 votes:
We must get rid of it before things kick in and you like it.
2013-03-12 11:32:34 AM
2 votes:
We really need to stop calling it Obamacare. It was written and passed by congress, not Obama.  Plus, before being passed it was so heavily altered by the Republicans due to demands by the insurance lobbyists that it hardly resembled what Obama proposed they do in the first place.
2013-03-12 11:20:02 AM
2 votes:

MattStafford: Obamacare will allow more people access to health care.  The only way to pay for this increase in health care is have other people foot the bill, as those doctor's aren't working for free.  As such, this will necessarily cause some people's bills to rise, either in the form of taxes or premiums.  This isn't necessarily a bad thing, as our country is wealthy and everyone should have access to health care, but to ignore that reality is disingenuous.

A better solution would be a guaranteed minimum income along with some sort of universal catastrophic coverage plan.  Let the market work for non life threatening procedures, but make sure health care costs don't bankrupt anyone.


If this dude who routinely ignores reality is saying peeps is ignoring reality then someone must be ignoring reality, yo.
2013-03-12 11:17:33 AM
2 votes:
Obama ran over my dog last night, and didn't even have the decency to stop and apologize. Then I caught him late last night trying to steal my grill off my porch. Damn you, Obama!
2013-03-12 10:48:18 AM
2 votes:
No.
2013-03-12 10:33:36 AM
2 votes:
You're getting a 3.8% tax increase for just buying a home people!!
2013-03-13 08:55:55 AM
1 votes:
All you arseholes should leave your keyboards immediately and go exercise so I don't have to pay for your healthcare when you get fat. GO GO GO!
2013-03-12 06:08:21 PM
1 votes:

kendelrio: Isitoveryet: kendelrio: I don't expect society to pick up my slack.

like you don't expect society to provide you with fuel for the "Deuce" or do you refine you own oil that you harvest from thin air?

Actually, I "pay" for the fuel for my deuce with the "money" I earn in my "paycheck".


oh so you do interact in a social environment & have a job, sure was nice of that society to set you up with access to employment ! Money? you mean the monetary notes that our government prints as a means to exchange currency? paycheck! well i bet you just stuff that piece of paper under you mattress & don't even spend it or do you cash it? or deposit it into that bank you have an account with?   you were kinda hinting that you relied upon society for Zero, turns out you actually participate in one!  Congratulations!
2013-03-12 03:46:46 PM
1 votes:

Unoriginal_Username: No...er..yes....hmm..wait...I know I can work this out...

Lets see...Potato * Herp / Derp...carry the 5...ok...I get 42.

/was never good at math


You are a liberal. Of course you aren't good at math. See the new senate democrat budget.
2013-03-12 03:08:23 PM
1 votes:

machodonkeywrestler: kendelrio: MattStafford: kendelrio: It's bullshiat. I pay for my families healthcare and it takes a huge chunk of my check. So now my check has to be taxed more to pay for someone else's health care? Bullshiat.

If I'm paying for your healthcare, I should get something for it. Come mow my grass.

We're a wealthy country.  We should be able to take care of our own.  Also, instituting a GMI and allowing the free market to work for the majority of health care issues will dramatically drive down prices.

You didn't answer my question. Why should I pay for someone elses healthcare? There is no benefit to me. Why should I bust my ass to provide for my family only to have more of my wages taken to pay for someone else's benefits?

Also, at what age is a person a farking adult? Kids mandated to stay on my insurance until they're 26? That's bullshiat too. If a "kid" can go to PMITA prison for life at 18, join the military at 18, get married at 18 drink a beer or other things legally, why should I have to foot their insurance bill? So now I'm paying for MY families insurance, some farker who can't afford their insurance AND their crotchfruits insurance until they're 26? fark that!

Because you get the benefit of living in the USA, and therefore have to follow it's rules and regulations. If you want to not follow those laws, either move or risk penalties, but most important, STFU and stop whining.


Conversely, the rules and regulations have to follow the constitution. I have never seen a guarantee of health care in **any** of the founders documents.
2013-03-12 02:53:53 PM
1 votes:

Great Janitor: I am licensed to sell health insurance so I am getting a kick...

I stopped selling health insurance and I am focusing on life insurance right now.  With Congress not knowing what is in the bill they passed, we don't know what insurance plans that are legal to sell today will remain legal in October when this goes into effect.  And it is going to really hurt coworkers of mine who have been in the business for ten to twenty years or more, have over two decades of built up residuals coming in each month that congress will put an end to when Obamacare comes into effect.

One explanation about Obamacare that I read is that it is not just have some insurance and you won't be fined, but rather that Obamacare level insurance could run as high as $800/month for the average family.  But, with no pre-existing conditions, coverage beginning the moment you buy your policy, why should a healthy person buy insurance when taking the tax fine is cheaper?  Think of it this way: I am healthy.  I see a doctor less than once a year.  Mandatory health insurance is a waste of money for me, just pay the annual fine.  Now, let's say I broke my leg falling down the stairs.   All I have to do is buy insurance, which would take effect instantly, get fixed up, and as soon as the leg was healed, cancel the insurance.  And with no one being rejected for insurance, they can't legally stop me from buying insurance knowing that I was only going to cancel it the moment the cast came off.


Won't somebody think of the insurance salesmen?!?!
2013-03-12 02:34:11 PM
1 votes:

tylerdurden217: This is a myth. The cost of lawsuits represents less than .5% of the cost of healthcare.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0226036480/

What would you cap mal-practice at? What if a parent brings a child to the doctor for a routine surgery and halfway in the doctors realize they don't have the right blood type for the child and cannot give a transfusion. The child gets permanent brain damage and will need around the clock care and will not be able to mature intellectually as a result of a bone headed move by the doctor. What if this was the hospital's fault because they mis labeled the blood and had a history of doing this and had covered it up? The parents bring a suit against the hospital and win a whopping $250,000. Good luck providing care for a child with that drop in the bucket. Even if the tort reform excluded the cost of care from the cap, this child could have been a healthy productive member of society, but gross negligence on the part of the system ruined this persons life. And the punitive damage is limited to $250K. That is such a tiny amount that the hospital wouldn't even notice it on their books.


Oh.  You discovered a book that supports your point of view.  How nice.  Lessee here for a moment...written by Tom Baker.  Well, I'm sure he's spent many years in the industry seeing patients and knowing that the threat of such lawsuits drives defensive medicine, right?

Oh wait...no...professor of law and a scholar of insurance law at the University of Pennsylvania Law School.  So...he's a lawyer then?  Nice.

Listen, even if his .5% (which is pretty much disputed by even the ABA, BTW as being kinda low) is acceptable...it doesn't address the atmosphere of defensive medicine that it creates.

But you go ahead and read that whole book (like I'm sure you certainly did, right?) and let us know how it ends.
2013-03-12 02:33:58 PM
1 votes:

tylerdurden217: How about a a single non-profit payer system that covers basic healthcare for everyone in the US?


tylerdurden217
How about a a single non-profit payer system that covers basic healthcare for everyone in the US?


The right to not be sick or suffering from a treatable condition shouldn't be for profit.

But financing the old as balls who refuse to die with dignity, or the deliberately obese/unhealthy is what we are paying for. Oh the entitlement to life.
2013-03-12 02:29:35 PM
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: kendelrio: You didn't answer my question. Why should I pay for someone elses healthcare? There is no benefit to me. Why should I bust my ass to provide for my family only to have more of my wages taken to pay for someone else's benefits?

Also, at what age is a person a farking adult? Kids mandated to stay on my insurance until they're 26? That's bullshiat too. If a "kid" can go to PMITA prison for life at 18, join the military at 18, get married at 18 drink a beer or other things legally, why should I have to foot their insurance bill? So now I'm paying for MY families insurance, some farker who can't afford their insurance AND their crotchfruits insurance until they're 26? fark that!



AH, look! Crikey!

It's the elusive "I got mine, fark everyone else" mentality in it's wild, natural habitat! The anonymity of the internet literally allows it to be a complete dick to everyone else without fear of being called out and shamed by the rest of it's species.

Truly, truly majestic, it is. Beautiful plumage.


Yes, I have mine. How did I get it? I bust my ass 84 hours a week for it. I earned it.
Fark them.
2013-03-12 02:22:09 PM
1 votes:
Great Janitor:

Please tell I am not the only one to be thinking this when reading that tripe

www.fuenf-filmfreunde.de
2013-03-12 02:19:36 PM
1 votes:
I think they need to clarify. Real middle class people will not get subsidies. Middle class is not 40k a year any more, not even close. Not even 80k per family should be considered middle class.


$80K a year is not considered middle class? Can you please tell us what you consider middle class?

/F'ing entitlement!
2013-03-12 02:13:45 PM
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: Well...if you squint a little...then the answer is sorta.  It is taxing the provider of "luxury" plans.  Which is being passed on to the end user in high premiums.  And it is raising taxes in lots of other areas...some related...like medical devices (not that every Middle Class person has them).

But, it might be safer to say, "Is this Obamacare costing some people more than before?"  And the answer is yes.  And it is making it more affordable for some to have health insurance.  But it really isn't lowering healthcare costs at all.

Where is my public option?!!!!  Let the government compete with private insurance with a subsidized plan or plans based on income and then you might see a reduction in costs of health insurance.  But I'm not sure how exactly you can lower the costs of healthcare in the 21st century.  The costs of new drugs is astronomical and there is no guarantee of a return, and even when you do get it patented and the right to distribute your drug it may take up to 20 years to recover the years of research and production involved in creating the drug.  Same with devices.   You might be able to cut into care costs like hospitalization, wages for medical staff, and stupid over priced stuff like $10 aspirin.  But a lot of medical care is expensive.  Otherwise, we'd all have an MRI machine in our basements.


Medical care is expensive because the act doesn't address tort reform...period.

Doctors pay ridiculously high malpractice premiums because judges and juries award ridiculous damage awards and it costs a litigant nothing to bring a lawsuit because for even borderline ludicrous claims, its more cost effective to settle rather than defend and go to trial.  What this does is force doctors to practice defensive medicine, ordering every single test they can think of so they can't be adjudged to be negligent later on.

Remove much of the lawsuit incentive, reform malpractice laws to discourage lawsuits in the first place while retaining access to the courts for egregious cases and you deflate a major driver of what drives costs through the roof.  The U.S. spends the highest, by far, per capita on healthcare and are no healthier than the rest of the world and unhealthier than many.  One of the differences in the costs is our civil court system.  It's nice to have most of the time...but this ain't one of them.

And it won't be meaningfully addressed because we elect lawyers to Congress way more than any other occupational group.
2013-03-12 02:02:24 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: Great Janitor: Mandatory health insurance is a waste of money for me, just pay the annual fine. Now, let's say I broke my leg falling down the stairs. All I have to do is buy insurance, which would take effect instantly, get fixed up, and as soon as the leg was healed, cancel the insurance. And with no one being rejected for insurance, they can't legally stop me from buying insurance knowing that I was only going to cancel it the moment the cast came off.

If you are in some type of accident that renders you unconscious before the ambulance gets you to the hospital how are you going to get insured before you rack up tens of thousands in bills?


Much like today, the bill goes unpaid to a debt collector and I spend the next few years ignoring those calls.

Want to really do some good for healthcare reform?  We take in over $3 trillion annually in taxes on the Federal level.  The vast majority of that spending is military.  Pull out of these wars in other countries that we are in, cut back on the military spending (not end it all, just cut back) and put that money into a basic level of healthcare for all Americans without raising taxes.
2013-03-12 01:57:55 PM
1 votes:

Citrate1007: Yay! Republican math thread.


spinnyliberal.files.wordpress.com
2013-03-12 01:57:34 PM
1 votes:
I am employed by a company that manufactures and sells medical devices.  Headcount is an issue now that there is a significant tax liability increase in play (that's business-speak for 'beyotches be gettin' fired 'roun heah!' for you Obamabots that can't/won't/will never have a real job).  My daughter, an independent full time college student, can't get full employment because her targeted employers are all cutting hours due to Obamacare.  And I really get a kick out of those who condemn the R's for wanting to repeal it without fully researching it, after Pelosi said we had to pass it to find out what was in it (she really did say that, there's video on the innerwebs and everything).  I've spoken to real, live citizens of countries that have socialised health care, and they all say the same thing: It costs a lot of money.  So, if you're a fan of socialism it's good.  If you're a fan of capitalism, free markets, and freedom of choice, not so much.
2013-03-12 01:55:41 PM
1 votes:
I think the question here really is "should everyone have access to healthcare?" If a person starts abusing drugs at age 15 drops out of high school is under or not employed do they really deserve access to healthcare? This bill is basically a huge expansion to Medicaid as most people that are not insured now will have to join Medicaid. Don't confuse Medicaid with Medicare which is not being expanded and is a program working adults paid into to take advantage of when they retire. There is nothing in this law that is of any benefit to people who already pay health insurance only punishment in the form of higher taxes, insurance premiums and healthcare costs. It is a bad law but most people can't get past their emotional objections to see that not everyone is equal or entitled to the same treatment. No one can produce any scenario where a person through no fault of their own finds themselves in a situation where the taxpayers need to subsidize their continued livelihood. It is like taking water (money) out of the bucket (economy) and pouring it into a rusty bucket full of holes (welfare programs) as those holes get bigger (offspring) more and more water is just going to drain out (most of the money is spent on disposable goods) at some point you are going to run out of water in the economy bucket.
2013-03-12 01:54:06 PM
1 votes:
Thus, within the 2013 to 2022 budget period, there seems little debate that the health-care law has about $1 trillion in taxes. The House Ways & Means Committee released a calculation earlier this month and there are few questions about its math. Alternatively, the Congressional Budget Office last year released an analysis showing that repeal of the law would cut revenues by exactly $1 trillion.
"I think the $1 trillion figure is fair," said Paul Van de Water of the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.
The biggest tax increases in the law stem from an additional 0.9 percent payroll tax and a new 3.8 percent tax on investment income - but those are aimed at couples making more than $250,000 and individuals making more than $200,000. That accounts for almost a third - $318 billion - of the $1 trillion total between 2013 and 2022.


So Obamacare adds $1T of new taxes over ten years, with only a third of that hitting couples making over $250,000 or individuals making over $200,000.  Seems like a lot in additional taxes.
2013-03-12 01:37:05 PM
1 votes:

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: tylerdurden217: How about a a single non-profit payer system that covers basic healthcare for everyone in the US?

Why hello there, tovarisch fellow traveler!


Whenever I think of a command economy of some failed state, I remember how it all began with universal health care. Then some other things happened and before you knew it an oppressive totalitarian dictatorship was sending ruling and the once free citizens were left wondering, "How did this all happen?"
2013-03-12 01:22:43 PM
1 votes:

IamAwake: digitalrain: But CongressCare is an oxymoron.

you win, thread over.  ;)


th458.photobucket.com

YAY! My first thread-win!
2013-03-12 12:47:28 PM
1 votes:
Look, he didn't want it to come to this. But you free loading poors forced his hand. So if it means getting rid of healthcare for you maggots, Ryan will reluctantly balance the budget and reduce the deficit. Happy now?
2013-03-12 12:46:44 PM
1 votes:

JohnBigBootay: Great Janitor: I am licensed to sell health insurance so I am getting a kick...

I stopped selling health insurance and I am focusing on life insurance right now.  With Congress not knowing what is in the bill they passed, we don't know what insurance plans that are legal to sell today will remain legal in October when this goes into effect.  And it is going to really hurt coworkers of mine who have been in the business for ten to twenty years or more, have over two decades of built up residuals coming in each month that congress will put an end to

Good. Because that's the problem with insurance right there. I buy health insurance for 70 people every year. 5% of all the premiums for all my employees all year long goes right into the brokers pocket. And we wonder why health care has such an exorbitant cost. Well, to start with the 5% off the top does not pay for any medical treatments or benefit the subscriber whatsoever. So fark a bunch of schmucks still raking it in on a policy they sold twenty years ago.


You do realize that by law, all money taken in by health insurance companies, no less than 65% of that money must be paid on claims.  That means that health insurance companies must pay all employees, including salesmen, secretaries, all the utility bills, marketing, other costs of running a company out of 35% of the money taken in each month.  So, your money isn't being wasted on brokers and salesmen.  Your money, if it's not going to the well being of your employees, is going to the well being of others who are insured through the same people insuring your employees.
2013-03-12 12:11:15 PM
1 votes:

k1j2b3: Everyone HAD access to medical care before Obamacare came along.


Everyone had access to emergency medical care.

Start showing the symptoms of a long-running but manageable disease like MS and you're farked if you don't have insurance.

k1j2b3: So what did we solve exactly?


You mean apart from mandating that insurance companies not refuse people on the basis of pre-existing conditions?
Or that bit about them spending a large chunk on insurance and not on marketing and overhead?
Or that bit about expanding Medicaid?
Or that bit about letting children stay on their parents' plans longer - which is incredibly vital in this recession?

k1j2b3: And, in fact, people will STILL not have insurance with Obamacare.


And those people will pay a fine. Good.
2013-03-12 12:01:55 PM
1 votes:
I heard it was $200 trillion per day.
2013-03-12 11:55:36 AM
1 votes:
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2013-03-12 11:49:33 AM
1 votes:

Bartleby the Scrivener: Reduced??? That's what I treat the missus to on special occasions, when we get to break out the styrofoam plates and use them eatin' tools.


Would you prefer not to?
2013-03-12 11:48:39 AM
1 votes:
Obamacare is about to raise a gigantic 13 inch cock on the American tax leader. The only thing real Americans can do in the face of this black dick is to act like little pussies. Little pussies sometimes get farked by African monster-dongs, and, sometimes they elect them. Only Hilary can save us now, 44-46.

Also, wait for the trickle-down. Because, God wants you to be successful.
2013-03-12 11:45:24 AM
1 votes:

tylerdurden217: How about a a single non-profit payer system that covers basic healthcare for everyone in the US?


Socialism. Because you're cutting out insturance executives from their entitled profits. Because fr-profit insurance which denies claims isn't socialism.
2013-03-12 11:45:22 AM
1 votes:
I am licensed to sell health insurance so I am getting a kick...

I stopped selling health insurance and I am focusing on life insurance right now.  With Congress not knowing what is in the bill they passed, we don't know what insurance plans that are legal to sell today will remain legal in October when this goes into effect.  And it is going to really hurt coworkers of mine who have been in the business for ten to twenty years or more, have over two decades of built up residuals coming in each month that congress will put an end to when Obamacare comes into effect.

One explanation about Obamacare that I read is that it is not just have some insurance and you won't be fined, but rather that Obamacare level insurance could run as high as $800/month for the average family.  But, with no pre-existing conditions, coverage beginning the moment you buy your policy, why should a healthy person buy insurance when taking the tax fine is cheaper?  Think of it this way: I am healthy.  I see a doctor less than once a year.  Mandatory health insurance is a waste of money for me, just pay the annual fine.  Now, let's say I broke my leg falling down the stairs.   All I have to do is buy insurance, which would take effect instantly, get fixed up, and as soon as the leg was healed, cancel the insurance.  And with no one being rejected for insurance, they can't legally stop me from buying insurance knowing that I was only going to cancel it the moment the cast came off.
2013-03-12 11:44:50 AM
1 votes:
i86.photobucket.com
2013-03-12 11:37:18 AM
1 votes:

kid_icarus: Twigz221: We really need to stop calling it Obamacare. It was written and passed by congress, not Obama.  Plus, before being passed it was so heavily altered by the Republicans due to demands by the insurance lobbyists that it hardly resembled what Obama proposed they do in the first place.

We will only stop calling it Obamacare if it becomes clear that the program is a success.

/we don't want Nobama taking credit for something positive
//in that unlikely event, we will not only start calling it the Affordable Care Act, we will act like we had always been calling it that


Nope.  We'll go back to calling it 'RomneyCare'.
2013-03-12 11:31:23 AM
1 votes:
This appears to be one of those cases where "Middle Class" is a euphemism for "People just scraping by on $200K+/year"

Also, FTA:

Moreover, most calculations show that middle-income Americans are expected to get more in tax relief , such as health-care subsidies, than in additional tax hikes. CBO, for instance, indicates that middle-income Americans would receive about $1 trillion in premium credits in this 10-year period. So on a net basis, most middle-class Americans should expect to come out ahead.


=Smidge=
2013-03-12 11:30:05 AM
1 votes:

born_yesterday: J.Shelby: Citrate1007: Yay! Republican math thread.

Ohh, I love math!  Is this the part where we divide by zero?

[gonzoj.files.wordpress.com image 560x373]

Man, I hope they teched up to perimeter defenses before they built that; the mindworms are sure to be pissed.


That's why you go green - all the boreholes you want, amiright?
2013-03-12 11:27:52 AM
1 votes:

J.Shelby: Citrate1007: Yay! Republican math thread.

Ohh, I love math!  Is this the part where we divide by zero?

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Man, I hope they teched up to perimeter defenses before they built that; the mindworms are sure to be pissed.
2013-03-12 11:27:44 AM
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enry: Two things I do know that happened in the past two years due to Obamacare:

1) OTC medications can no longer be paid out of my medical FSA
2) The upper limit for a medical FSA was reduced from $5000/year to $2500/year

Will this hurt some people?  Probably.  Has my employer taken steps to make sure that employees who don't make much are impacted less?  Yes.  Is it worth it to ensure that everyone in the US has access to some level of health care?  Oh yeah.


FSA is a scam to distract you from higher deductibles and copayments allowing record high insurance company profits.
2013-03-12 11:23:45 AM
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Obamacare squeezed the toothpaste tube from the middle, and then left the cap off so it got all crusty and gross.
2013-03-12 11:21:10 AM
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If Obama raises my taxes any more, I'm moving to Belize.
2013-03-12 11:16:08 AM
1 votes:
Obamacare will allow more people access to health care.  The only way to pay for this increase in health care is have other people foot the bill, as those doctor's aren't working for free.  As such, this will necessarily cause some people's bills to rise, either in the form of taxes or premiums.  This isn't necessarily a bad thing, as our country is wealthy and everyone should have access to health care, but to ignore that reality is disingenuous.

A better solution would be a guaranteed minimum income along with some sort of universal catastrophic coverage plan.  Let the market work for non life threatening procedures, but make sure health care costs don't bankrupt anyone.
2013-03-12 11:12:26 AM
1 votes:
Yes.
 
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