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(Washington Post)   Is Obamacare about to raise taxes on the middle class by $1 TRILLION? Well, is it?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 316
    More: Stupid, obamacare, middle class, income taxes, Debbie Wasserman Schultz  
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2013-03-12 10:32:06 AM  
Is Obama going to use that money to fund Friends of Hamas? Well, is he?

I'm just asking questions here
 
2013-03-12 10:33:36 AM  
You're getting a 3.8% tax increase for just buying a home people!!
 
2013-03-12 10:40:27 AM  
No, but Obamacare is sleeping with your wife.  Sorry to had to learn about it on FARK.
 
2013-03-12 10:48:18 AM  
No.
 
2013-03-12 11:12:26 AM  
Yes.
 
2013-03-12 11:13:29 AM  
Yay! Republican math thread.
 
2013-03-12 11:14:28 AM  
Obamacare drank the last of the milk and didn't replace it. It's so inconsiderate.
 
2013-03-12 11:15:47 AM  
"More importantly, doesn't it kind of feel like it is when you keep having to see headlines like this? I mean, if this administration cared about The United States of America wouldn't it not include these non existent tax hikes, provisions, decrees, etc. in its legislation? Why do they keep not putting these in their agenda? What is there agenda here and how can we be sure it isn't not this?"
 
2013-03-12 11:16:08 AM  
Obamacare will allow more people access to health care.  The only way to pay for this increase in health care is have other people foot the bill, as those doctor's aren't working for free.  As such, this will necessarily cause some people's bills to rise, either in the form of taxes or premiums.  This isn't necessarily a bad thing, as our country is wealthy and everyone should have access to health care, but to ignore that reality is disingenuous.

A better solution would be a guaranteed minimum income along with some sort of universal catastrophic coverage plan.  Let the market work for non life threatening procedures, but make sure health care costs don't bankrupt anyone.
 
2013-03-12 11:16:13 AM  

Citrate1007: Yay! Republican math thread.


Ohh, I love math!  Is this the part where we divide by zero?

gonzoj.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-12 11:16:38 AM  
"Their, even."
 
2013-03-12 11:17:04 AM  
There's a middle class?
 
2013-03-12 11:17:33 AM  
Obama ran over my dog last night, and didn't even have the decency to stop and apologize. Then I caught him late last night trying to steal my grill off my porch. Damn you, Obama!
 
2013-03-12 11:17:41 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-12 11:18:42 AM  
Obamacare has been taking your lunch out of the fridge at work. Last month it left you a note asking you to not be so cheap with the cheese.
 
2013-03-12 11:19:14 AM  
0bamacare is going to Socialism your guns and gay marry you to a FEMA camp in Benghazi.
 
2013-03-12 11:19:21 AM  
Well...if you squint a little...then the answer is sorta.  It is taxing the provider of "luxury" plans.  Which is being passed on to the end user in high premiums.  And it is raising taxes in lots of other areas...some related...like medical devices (not that every Middle Class person has them).

But, it might be safer to say, "Is this Obamacare costing some people more than before?"  And the answer is yes.  And it is making it more affordable for some to have health insurance.  But it really isn't lowering healthcare costs at all.

Where is my public option?!!!!  Let the government compete with private insurance with a subsidized plan or plans based on income and then you might see a reduction in costs of health insurance.  But I'm not sure how exactly you can lower the costs of healthcare in the 21st century.  The costs of new drugs is astronomical and there is no guarantee of a return, and even when you do get it patented and the right to distribute your drug it may take up to 20 years to recover the years of research and production involved in creating the drug.  Same with devices.   You might be able to cut into care costs like hospitalization, wages for medical staff, and stupid over priced stuff like $10 aspirin.  But a lot of medical care is expensive.  Otherwise, we'd all have an MRI machine in our basements.
 
2013-03-12 11:20:02 AM  

MattStafford: Obamacare will allow more people access to health care.  The only way to pay for this increase in health care is have other people foot the bill, as those doctor's aren't working for free.  As such, this will necessarily cause some people's bills to rise, either in the form of taxes or premiums.  This isn't necessarily a bad thing, as our country is wealthy and everyone should have access to health care, but to ignore that reality is disingenuous.

A better solution would be a guaranteed minimum income along with some sort of universal catastrophic coverage plan.  Let the market work for non life threatening procedures, but make sure health care costs don't bankrupt anyone.


If this dude who routinely ignores reality is saying peeps is ignoring reality then someone must be ignoring reality, yo.
 
2013-03-12 11:20:52 AM  
If it looks like caca.......smells like caca......and tastes like caca......then it must be Obamacare
 
2013-03-12 11:21:10 AM  
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If Obama raises my taxes any more, I'm moving to Belize.
 
2013-03-12 11:21:16 AM  
www.oklafan.com
 
2013-03-12 11:21:22 AM  
i76.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-12 11:22:29 AM  
Two things I do know that happened in the past two years due to Obamacare:

1) OTC medications can no longer be paid out of my medical FSA
2) The upper limit for a medical FSA was reduced from $5000/year to $2500/year

Will this hurt some people?  Probably.  Has my employer taken steps to make sure that employees who don't make much are impacted less?  Yes.  Is it worth it to ensure that everyone in the US has access to some level of health care?  Oh yeah.
 
2013-03-12 11:23:42 AM  
I quit reading after Pinocchio showed up with a dildo.
 
2013-03-12 11:23:45 AM  
Obamacare squeezed the toothpaste tube from the middle, and then left the cap off so it got all crusty and gross.
 
2013-03-12 11:24:07 AM  
Well sure, everything else they've told us has been true.  Why not this?
 
2013-03-12 11:24:51 AM  

vernonFL: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 200x200]

If Obama raises my taxes any more, I'm moving to Belize.



Is this sarcasm? Sometimes it's hard to tell.
 
2013-03-12 11:25:51 AM  

born_yesterday: No, but Obamacare is sleeping with your wife.  Sorry to had to learn about it on FARK.


I'd better fluff up a couple of robes in the dryer and steam some washcloths.

Do you think he prefers pancakes or waffles?
 
2013-03-12 11:27:38 AM  
If you want the government to take care of things like this, they are going to cost money. Pay up.
 
2013-03-12 11:27:44 AM  

enry: Two things I do know that happened in the past two years due to Obamacare:

1) OTC medications can no longer be paid out of my medical FSA
2) The upper limit for a medical FSA was reduced from $5000/year to $2500/year

Will this hurt some people?  Probably.  Has my employer taken steps to make sure that employees who don't make much are impacted less?  Yes.  Is it worth it to ensure that everyone in the US has access to some level of health care?  Oh yeah.


FSA is a scam to distract you from higher deductibles and copayments allowing record high insurance company profits.
 
2013-03-12 11:27:52 AM  

J.Shelby: Citrate1007: Yay! Republican math thread.

Ohh, I love math!  Is this the part where we divide by zero?

[gonzoj.files.wordpress.com image 560x373]


Man, I hope they teched up to perimeter defenses before they built that; the mindworms are sure to be pissed.
 
2013-03-12 11:28:42 AM  

karnal: If it looks like caca.......smells like caca......and tastes like caca......then it must be Obamacare


I think you just Obamacared the thread.
 
2013-03-12 11:30:05 AM  

born_yesterday: J.Shelby: Citrate1007: Yay! Republican math thread.

Ohh, I love math!  Is this the part where we divide by zero?

[gonzoj.files.wordpress.com image 560x373]

Man, I hope they teched up to perimeter defenses before they built that; the mindworms are sure to be pissed.


That's why you go green - all the boreholes you want, amiright?
 
2013-03-12 11:31:08 AM  
No...er..yes....hmm..wait...I know I can work this out...

Lets see...Potato * Herp / Derp...carry the 5...ok...I get 42.

/was never good at math
 
2013-03-12 11:31:23 AM  
This appears to be one of those cases where "Middle Class" is a euphemism for "People just scraping by on $200K+/year"

Also, FTA:

Moreover, most calculations show that middle-income Americans are expected to get more in tax relief , such as health-care subsidies, than in additional tax hikes. CBO, for instance, indicates that middle-income Americans would receive about $1 trillion in premium credits in this 10-year period. So on a net basis, most middle-class Americans should expect to come out ahead.


=Smidge=
 
2013-03-12 11:31:54 AM  
Best advice when you're trying to wade through all the complex political crap: If a Republican says it, its a lie.
 
2013-03-12 11:32:33 AM  

Hermione_Granger: I quit reading after Pinocchio showed up with a dildo.


Better things to do, eh?
 
2013-03-12 11:32:34 AM  
We really need to stop calling it Obamacare. It was written and passed by congress, not Obama.  Plus, before being passed it was so heavily altered by the Republicans due to demands by the insurance lobbyists that it hardly resembled what Obama proposed they do in the first place.
 
2013-03-12 11:33:05 AM  
I hope they calculated in the cost of treating millions of cases of malnutrition after everyone is reduced to eating cat food and drinking rain water.
 
2013-03-12 11:33:52 AM  

festoon: Best advice when you're trying to wade through all the complex political crap: If a Republican Politician says it, its a lie.


FTFY.
 
2013-03-12 11:36:00 AM  

Twigz221: We really need to stop calling it Obamacare. It was written and passed by congress, not Obama.  Plus, before being passed it was so heavily altered by the Republicans due to demands by the insurance lobbyists that it hardly resembled what Obama proposed they do in the first place.


We will only stop calling it Obamacare if it becomes clear that the program is a success.

/we don't want Nobama taking credit for something positive
//in that unlikely event, we will not only start calling it the Affordable Care Act, we will act like we had always been calling it that
 
2013-03-12 11:36:39 AM  

spentmiles: I hope they calculated in the cost of treating millions of cases of malnutrition after everyone is reduced to eating cat food and drinking rain water.


Cat food and rainwater is actually a more balanced diet than that which is currently eaten by many Americans.
 
2013-03-12 11:37:18 AM  

kid_icarus: Twigz221: We really need to stop calling it Obamacare. It was written and passed by congress, not Obama.  Plus, before being passed it was so heavily altered by the Republicans due to demands by the insurance lobbyists that it hardly resembled what Obama proposed they do in the first place.

We will only stop calling it Obamacare if it becomes clear that the program is a success.

/we don't want Nobama taking credit for something positive
//in that unlikely event, we will not only start calling it the Affordable Care Act, we will act like we had always been calling it that


Nope.  We'll go back to calling it 'RomneyCare'.
 
2013-03-12 11:38:37 AM  

kid_icarus: Twigz221: We really need to stop calling it Obamacare. It was written and passed by congress, not Obama.  Plus, before being passed it was so heavily altered by the Republicans due to demands by the insurance lobbyists that it hardly resembled what Obama proposed they do in the first place.

We will only stop calling it Obamacare if it becomes clear that the program is a success.

/we don't want Nobama taking credit for something positive
//in that unlikely event, we will not only start calling it the Affordable Care Act, we will act like we had always been calling it that


Rectal thermometers, however, will be officially renamed Obamamometers.
 
2013-03-12 11:38:51 AM  

MattStafford: The only way to pay for this increase in health care is have other people foot the bill


No.  Part of the Republican objection to the plan was that people would be forced to purchase their own health care.

/Did I just feed the troll?
 
2013-03-12 11:39:39 AM  
i184.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-12 11:42:49 AM  

spentmiles: I hope they calculated in the cost of treating millions of cases of malnutrition after everyone is reduced to eating cat food and drinking rain water.


Reduced??? That's what I treat the missus to on special occasions, when we get to break out the styrofoam plates and use them eatin' tools.
 
2013-03-12 11:42:49 AM  
How about a a single non-profit payer system that covers basic healthcare for everyone in the US?
 
2013-03-12 11:44:50 AM  
i86.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-12 11:45:18 AM  
Obamacare has three wives!

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
Who ate all the pies? Obamacare!

/Obamacare believes in compulsory buggery!
 
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