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(The New York Times)   To summarize: "I once owned lots of cool stuff, much more than you. Then I started to experience life in a way you never will. Now, I reject materialism and live a deep, thoughtful life. Yes, I'm better than you, but maybe you can learn from me"   ( nytimes.com) divider line
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2013-03-12 09:14:12 AM  
From TFA "My life was unnecessarily complicated. There were lawns to mow, gutters to clear, floors to vacuum, roommates to manage (it seemed nuts to have such a big, empty house) "

I think I see your problem.
 
2013-03-12 09:14:54 AM  
I'm pretty happy with my materialistic lifestyle.
 
2013-03-12 09:15:25 AM  

RexTalionis: I'm pretty happy with my materialistic lifestyle.

 
2013-03-12 09:16:07 AM  
Let me take all the cluttery words out of your article.

"I once hired a personal shopper.  This was clearly a stupid thing to do."
 
2013-03-12 09:18:43 AM  

RexTalionis: I'm pretty unhappy with my non-materialistic lifestyle.


ftfm
 
2013-03-12 09:19:08 AM  
Gosh he easily walked away from a bunch of crap that held no meaning for him in the first place. How evolved of him.
 
2013-03-12 09:20:13 AM  
So when was he the bigger pompous asshole, when he had a lot of shiat or now that he's a minimalist? Or is it about even?
 
2013-03-12 09:28:16 AM  
i286.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-12 09:29:14 AM  

Mugato: So when was he the bigger pompous asshole, when he had a lot of shiat or now that he's a minimalist? Or is it about even?


In both cases he was a bigger pompous asshole than the other. It's a paradox.
 
2013-03-12 09:33:47 AM  
So I hired a guy named Seven, who said he had been Courtney Love's assistant, to be my personal shopper.

I wouldn't trade a second spent wandering the streets of Bangkok with Olga for anything I've owned.


i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-12 09:34:52 AM  
I'm lucky, obviously; not everyone gets a windfall from a tech start-up sale. But I'm not the only one whose life is cluttered with excess belongings.

Life in the animal kingdom can be brutal. How does he cope?
 
2013-03-12 09:35:48 AM  
So, what I'm gathering here is that one really can't change their spots; is that correct?
 
2013-03-12 09:35:48 AM  
His description of Olga makes me think his life trajectory is actually closer to something like this:

1) Guy makes a lot of money, is happy, buys lots of crap he doesn't need.
2) Guy meets girl who's very different from the normal, vapid, airheaded, money-grubbing girls he normally meets. She travels places he's never been, listens to bands he's never heard of, is shockingly open about how much she enjoys sex, and constantly talks about how she doesn't care about money.
3) "Doesn't care about money" actually translates to "doesn't have money," but regardless of that fact she has learned that life can be experienced, gripped by the teeth, so to speak, by befriending people who do have it.
4) Girl who doesn't care about/have money and guy who has money and wants to keep farking girl go on trip together to gritty but safe third world destination. He sees gritty things, like people bathing in rivers. Girl has a copy of "Lonely Planet" that they use to find authentic local restaurants filled with backpack-toting Americans.
5) Guy begins to believe girl's message that money is unimportant, despite the fact that he is paying for everything. He begins to question his previous values. She encourages him, sometimes while out shopping.
6) They return home. Guy announces plans to change his lifestyle, downsize, become less material.
7) Girl dumps him.

The rest is fallout. Anyway, it's just one theory.
 
2013-03-12 09:36:37 AM  
So an attention whore narcissist who no longer got enough reward for buying things, decides to go the other extreme, and wants attention for not buying things.

Woop de woop.

Next up: he starts a religion.
 
2013-03-12 09:36:47 AM  
 I gave up empty, meaningless people who tell me about their insignificant lifestyle choices, and I've never felt better about myself.
 
2013-03-12 09:40:05 AM  

Pocket Ninja: His description of Olga makes me think his life trajectory is actually closer to something like this:

1) Guy makes a lot of money, is happy, buys lots of crap he doesn't need.
2) Guy meets girl who's very different from the normal, vapid, airheaded, money-grubbing girls he normally meets. She travels places he's never been, listens to bands he's never heard of, is shockingly open about how much she enjoys sex, and constantly talks about how she doesn't care about money.
3) "Doesn't care about money" actually translates to "doesn't have money," but regardless of that fact she has learned that life can be experienced, gripped by the teeth, so to speak, by befriending people who do have it.
4) Girl who doesn't care about/have money and guy who has money and wants to keep farking girl go on trip together to gritty but safe third world destination. He sees gritty things, like people bathing in rivers. Girl has a copy of "Lonely Planet" that they use to find authentic local restaurants filled with backpack-toting Americans.
5) Guy begins to believe girl's message that money is unimportant, despite the fact that he is paying for everything. He begins to question his previous values. She encourages him, sometimes while out shopping.
6) They return home. Guy announces plans to change his lifestyle, downsize, become less material.
7) Girl dumps him.

The rest is fallout. Anyway, it's just one theory.


Don't let Hollywood see this, or we'll be seeing a trailer for the movie by the end of the year.
 
2013-03-12 09:41:03 AM  
The one single, common trait of all self-help gurus, minimalist living scolds, life coaches, "professional organizers," or any other fraudster of the multi-billion dollar personal improvement industry is this: They're all rich.

Anyone who breathlessly spews dime-store bullsh*t like "money doesn't buy happiness" has never been poor, and anyone who says stuff like "the best things in life aren't things" owns a sh*tload of things.
 
2013-03-12 09:41:34 AM  

Pocket Ninja: His description of Olga makes me think his life trajectory is actually closer to something like this:

1) Guy makes a lot of money, is happy, buys lots of crap he doesn't need.
2) Guy meets girl who's very different from the normal, vapid, airheaded, money-grubbing girls he normally meets. She travels places he's never been, listens to bands he's never heard of, is shockingly open about how much she enjoys sex, and constantly talks about how she doesn't care about money.
3) "Doesn't care about money" actually translates to "doesn't have money," but regardless of that fact she has learned that life can be experienced, gripped by the teeth, so to speak, by befriending people who do have it.
4) Girl who doesn't care about/have money and guy who has money and wants to keep farking girl go on trip together to gritty but safe third world destination. He sees gritty things, like people bathing in rivers. Girl has a copy of "Lonely Planet" that they use to find authentic local restaurants filled with backpack-toting Americans.
5) Guy begins to believe girl's message that money is unimportant, despite the fact that he is paying for everything. He begins to question his previous values. She encourages him, sometimes while out shopping.
6) They return home. Guy announces plans to change his lifestyle, downsize, become less material.
7) Girl dumps him.

The rest is fallout. Anyway, it's just one theory.


And it goes without saying she's the stereotypical MPDG.

Great summary, you should write romantic comedies.
 
2013-03-12 09:44:26 AM  
The difficulty here is deciding which is more pompous. The author or the commenters agreeing with him?
 
2013-03-12 09:44:49 AM  

Generation_D: Pocket Ninja: His description of Olga makes me think his life trajectory is actually closer to something like this:

1) Guy makes a lot of money, is happy, buys lots of crap he doesn't need.
2) Guy meets girl who's very different from the normal, vapid, airheaded, money-grubbing girls he normally meets. She travels places he's never been, listens to bands he's never heard of, is shockingly open about how much she enjoys sex, and constantly talks about how she doesn't care about money.
3) "Doesn't care about money" actually translates to "doesn't have money," but regardless of that fact she has learned that life can be experienced, gripped by the teeth, so to speak, by befriending people who do have it.
4) Girl who doesn't care about/have money and guy who has money and wants to keep farking girl go on trip together to gritty but safe third world destination. He sees gritty things, like people bathing in rivers. Girl has a copy of "Lonely Planet" that they use to find authentic local restaurants filled with backpack-toting Americans.
5) Guy begins to believe girl's message that money is unimportant, despite the fact that he is paying for everything. He begins to question his previous values. She encourages him, sometimes while out shopping.
6) They return home. Guy announces plans to change his lifestyle, downsize, become less material.
7) Girl dumps him.

The rest is fallout. Anyway, it's just one theory.

And it goes without saying she's the stereotypical MPDG.

Great summary, you should write romantic comedies.


It just needs a snappy, yet wistful, title.
 
2013-03-12 09:45:09 AM  

Mugato: So when was he the bigger pompous asshole, when he had a lot of shiat or now that he's a minimalist? Or is it about even?


It's a toss-up.
 
2013-03-12 09:46:25 AM  

GiantRex: Don't let Hollywood see this, or we'll be seeing a trailer for the movie by the end of the year.


Get Michael Cera on the horn, stat.

/or is it Cena?
//the monotone, self deprecating douchebag
///not the wrestler
 
2013-03-12 09:48:22 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Generation_D: Pocket Ninja: His description of Olga makes me think his life trajectory is actually closer to something like this:

1) Guy makes a lot of money, is happy, buys lots of crap he doesn't need.
2) Guy meets girl who's very different from the normal, vapid, airheaded, money-grubbing girls he normally meets. She travels places he's never been, listens to bands he's never heard of, is shockingly open about how much she enjoys sex, and constantly talks about how she doesn't care about money.
3) "Doesn't care about money" actually translates to "doesn't have money," but regardless of that fact she has learned that life can be experienced, gripped by the teeth, so to speak, by befriending people who do have it.
4) Girl who doesn't care about/have money and guy who has money and wants to keep farking girl go on trip together to gritty but safe third world destination. He sees gritty things, like people bathing in rivers. Girl has a copy of "Lonely Planet" that they use to find authentic local restaurants filled with backpack-toting Americans.
5) Guy begins to believe girl's message that money is unimportant, despite the fact that he is paying for everything. He begins to question his previous values. She encourages him, sometimes while out shopping.
6) They return home. Guy announces plans to change his lifestyle, downsize, become less material.
7) Girl dumps him.

The rest is fallout. Anyway, it's just one theory.

And it goes without saying she's the stereotypical MPDG.

Great summary, you should write romantic comedies.

It just needs a snappy, yet wistful, title.


"Upsizing Your Heart"

"Love in 1/4 of the space"

"The Gimp at Home" - That's the BDSM fan fic of the movie where instead of traveling the world looking for food they travel the world looking for sex dungeons.
 
2013-03-12 09:48:28 AM  
Hey, whatever makes you happy...but I hardly think it warrants a hero tag.
 
2013-03-12 09:48:39 AM  

Pocket Ninja: 4) Girl who doesn't care about/have money and guy who has money and wants to keep farking girl go on trip together to gritty but safe third world destination. He sees gritty things, like people bathing in rivers. Girl has a copy of "Lonely Planet" that they use to find authentic local restaurants filled with backpack-toting Americans.


Nailed it.
 
2013-03-12 09:49:08 AM  

CapeFearCadaver: RexTalionis: I'm pretty unhappy with my non-materialistic lifestyle.

ftfm


Put up a wishlist in your profile along with slutty pictures, I'm sure someone would be happy to help you along with your materialism.
 
2013-03-12 09:49:56 AM  
"flush with cash from an Internet start-up sale "

"not everyone gets an Internet windfall before turning 30 "

"more money than I thought I'd earn in a lifetime. "

"not everyone gets a windfall from a tech start-up sale. "


Did he mention that he made a lot of money?

I love it when rich people tell me how to live with less...
 
2013-03-12 09:54:37 AM  
He tells me how to live with less money, let me show him how to live right after being kicked in the nuts.
 
2013-03-12 09:56:03 AM  
After being the executor of a few estates, I have come to the conclusion that I had too much stuff and have been slowly downsizing.

/spring cleaning is about to start as well
 
2013-03-12 09:56:27 AM  
It's pronounced "doosh" but it's not spelled like that.
 
2013-03-12 09:56:32 AM  
You know, between this and the Slate article yesterday by the allergic woman bragging about pestering a grieving mother at a wake about the peanut content of the food, I'm really starting to wonder whether these supposedly legitimate web sites/newspapers are purposely publishing stuff they know is trollish just for page hits.

I mean, I can't imagine more than 3% of the population not wanting to punch this guy in the face after reading this article. They have to realize that, right?
 
2013-03-12 09:58:03 AM  
Last year when the wildfires almost wiped out my house, I was evacuating. I looked around at my place deciding what to bring with me, because I was going to lose whatever I didn't take. I grabbed some clothes, food, my computer and a few guitars. That's all i really needed to survive in today's world... besides a place to live. But, I have a bunch more stuff than that.
 
2013-03-12 09:58:57 AM  

sigdiamond2000: You know, between this and the Slate article yesterday by the allergic woman bragging about pestering a grieving mother at a wake about the peanut content of the food, I'm really starting to wonder whether these supposedly legitimate web sites/newspapers are purposely publishing stuff they know is trollish just for page hits.


You don't think there really are people like this? I know there are. I've spotted them in the wild.

I can't imagine more than 3% of the population not wanting to punch this guy in the face after reading this article. They have to realize that, right?

They never realize it.
 
2013-03-12 10:03:43 AM  
The crux of the article, in my view:

My success and the things it bought quickly changed from novel to normal. Soon I was numb to it all. The new Nokia phone didn't excite me or satisfy me. It didn't take long before I started to wonder why my theoretically upgraded life didn't feel any better and why I felt more anxious than before.

A phone isn't supposed to "excite" you or improve your emotional state.  You sound farked up in the head in a way that shouldn't be blamed on materialism.  See a therapist.  Moving from one extreme to the other doesn't make you wise.
 
2013-03-12 10:04:29 AM  

Lumpmoose: A phone isn't supposed to "excite" you or improve your emotional state. You sound farked up in the head in a way that shouldn't be blamed on materialism. See a therapist. Moving from one extreme to the other doesn't make you wise.


My phone improves my emotional state.
 
2013-03-12 10:07:21 AM  

Lumpmoose: A phone isn't supposed to "excite" you or improve your emotional state.  You sound farked up in the head in a way that shouldn't be blamed on materialism.  See a therapist.  Moving from one extreme to the other doesn't make you wise.


The problem is he is like many people who don't have the money to upgrade their lives yet still feel the need to do it anyway.  So instead of writing an article about this problem, he wrote one about how stuff doesn't buy happiness while sitting in his $2,000-a month NYC apartment.
 
2013-03-12 10:07:35 AM  
Well at least he isn't living in a 5 star New York hotel while he tells we should imagine a world without money.
 
2013-03-12 10:08:19 AM  

Mugato: sigdiamond2000: You know, between this and the Slate article yesterday by the allergic woman bragging about pestering a grieving mother at a wake about the peanut content of the food, I'm really starting to wonder whether these supposedly legitimate web sites/newspapers are purposely publishing stuff they know is trollish just for page hits.

You don't think there really are people like this? I know there are. I've spotted them in the wild.

I can't imagine more than 3% of the population not wanting to punch this guy in the face after reading this article. They have to realize that, right?

They never realize it.


I know people like this exist. I know some of these kinds of people. Whenever they leave the room, everyone talks about what assholes they are. Sometimes they don't even wait until they leave the room.

As out of touch as the Northeastern elite may be, I find it very hard to believe that the NYT didn't realize that they were publishing a story that was going to generate almost nothing but hate for this f*ckstick.
 
2013-03-12 10:09:49 AM  
Düch
 
2013-03-12 10:11:13 AM  

RexTalionis: Lumpmoose: A phone isn't supposed to "excite" you or improve your emotional state. You sound farked up in the head in a way that shouldn't be blamed on materialism. See a therapist. Moving from one extreme to the other doesn't make you wise.

My phone improves my emotional state.


Yeah, but you're probably balanced.  Some people legitimately need drugs to accomplish that.
 
2013-03-12 10:28:04 AM  

RexTalionis: Lumpmoose: A phone isn't supposed to "excite" you or improve your emotional state. You sound farked up in the head in a way that shouldn't be blamed on materialism. See a therapist. Moving from one extreme to the other doesn't make you wise.

My phone improves my emotional state.


yeah but that has more to do with your abuse of the vibration function than your reliance on materialism.
 
2013-03-12 10:29:58 AM  
I don't have a single CD or DVD and I have 10 percent of the books I once did.

Me too! Going digital is great.
 
2013-03-12 10:38:42 AM  

sigdiamond2000: As out of touch as the Northeastern elite may be, I find it very hard to believe that the NYT didn't realize that they were publishing a story that was going to generate almost nothing but hate for this f*ckstick.


Ohhh they know, it generates page hits
 
2013-03-12 10:39:03 AM  
"Money isn't important! Taking a couple of years off to travel around the world with your closest friends is what's important!"
 
2013-03-12 10:39:11 AM  
I think we need a review of the use of the hero tag
 
2013-03-12 10:39:57 AM  
".....bigger, better, richer life with less."

Trying doing without smugness too if you can.
 
2013-03-12 10:40:06 AM  
Longest justification for being forever alone that I've heard.
 
2013-03-12 10:40:20 AM  

GiantRex: Don't let Hollywood see this, or we'll be seeing a trailer for the movie by the end of the year.


Dharma & Greg:  When Manic Pixie Dream Girls Go Bad.
 
2013-03-12 10:43:00 AM  
I have a boat.

I think I will keep it, materialism be damned.

Also some rods, multiple types of boots, a bicycle, a shotgun, some patio furniture, a grill, a firepit, and will be getting a kayak.

Might even try windsurfing this summer.

If only I had the money to experience those activities without owning stuff?
 
2013-03-12 10:43:24 AM  
Aside from my travel habit... I feel better that my carbon footprint is significantly smaller

Ignoring the the parts that aren't smaller, my carbon footprint is smaller.
 
2013-03-12 10:43:41 AM  
Yeah subby the guy comes off as a douche... but... I am not rich like this guy was/is but yet at times I have these same feelings about the stuff I own. It often seems like more of a hassle than anything. When you are middle class it is even worse because repairs or maintenance or replacing your stuff is more of a financial hardship than for this guy.
 
2013-03-12 10:44:05 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Mugato: sigdiamond2000: You know, between this and the Slate article yesterday by the allergic woman bragging about pestering a grieving mother at a wake about the peanut content of the food, I'm really starting to wonder whether these supposedly legitimate web sites/newspapers are purposely publishing stuff they know is trollish just for page hits.

You don't think there really are people like this? I know there are. I've spotted them in the wild.

I can't imagine more than 3% of the population not wanting to punch this guy in the face after reading this article. They have to realize that, right?

They never realize it.

I know people like this exist. I know some of these kinds of people. Whenever they leave the room, everyone talks about what assholes they are. Sometimes they don't even wait until they leave the room.

As out of touch as the Northeastern elite may be, I find it very hard to believe that the NYT didn't realize that they were publishing a story that was going to generate almost nothing but hate for this f*ckstick.


Yes they are trolling and they don't like this guy either.

The ancient Greeks avoided fame and the sin of hubris at all costs. Why? Because it would bring attention from the Gods and nothing good ever came from that kind of attention. I did not understand that fully until the invention of the internet.
 
2013-03-12 10:45:19 AM  
Hero tag?  Really?
 
2013-03-12 10:46:12 AM  
My sister was like this. Constantly espoused the mantra "money isn't important". Now that my mother has stopped footing her bills, my sister has been remarkable silent on the subject.

There's nothing wrong with "decluttering". But anyone who describes themselves as a "minimalist" needs a "maximalist" cock-punch.

I've yet to come across a "minimalist" on the internet who wasn't selling something.
 
2013-03-12 10:46:55 AM  
I was going to brag about how much more minimalist I am than this guy but then I thought it would be even more minimalist if I said nothing.

But that's boring so I said this.

/metaminimal
 
2013-03-12 10:47:30 AM  
Holy crap.  We have a new nominee for worst person in the world.  This is perhaps the world most self-absorbed person.  Why did this get published?  Did this guy think "there are a still a few people who don't know how great I am, I better publish it in the NYT"?

Summary: "I'm so rich that I can do whatever I want and don't have to care about money so now I do whatever I want and don't care about money.  But I want make sure everyone knows how rich and brilliant I am."
 
2013-03-12 10:47:42 AM  
Being broke and just scraping by: It's the new black.
 
2013-03-12 10:48:13 AM  
I once thought that I could be happy without owning stuff, but it turned out I was just poor. I'm still poor, but now I'm poor enough to afford stuff that I can actually enjoy.
 
2013-03-12 10:48:18 AM  
www.mytripjournal.com

Retired, with the kids gone, this is our home, 240 square feet. We love it, you know where all your stuff is, and I wouldn't go back to living in a regular house. Sometimes, I'll wake upnot know where the heck I am, and have to look out the window, or go out and walk around. Great feeling.
 
2013-03-12 10:49:03 AM  
A guy named "Seven?"

George Costanza is gonna be pissed.
 
2013-03-12 10:50:08 AM  
Fark you, wanker. I like my shiat and I am keeping it.
 
2013-03-12 10:50:20 AM  
What a tool. I've been traveling and living out of my rucksack for years, which is way more minimalist than this guy. I'm happy that way, that's why I do it, but it's a personal choice, and it's no better or worse than my siblings who own houses, have lots of kids, etc. This guy must really suck to have at parties.
 
2013-03-12 10:50:31 AM  
 
2013-03-12 10:50:33 AM  
bet i have less than THAT guy
 
2013-03-12 10:50:52 AM  

Barfmaker: It's pronounced "doosh" but it's not spelled like that.


Unless you live in Rhode Island.
 
2013-03-12 10:51:14 AM  

planes: Sometimes, I'll wake upnot know where the heck I am, and have to look out the window, or go out and walk around. Great feeling.


Preparing for Alzheimer's?
 
2013-03-12 10:51:16 AM  

WanPhat: Holy crap.  We have a new nominee for worst person in the world.  This is perhaps the world most self-absorbed person.


I am heading to the gym in 26 minutes!
 
2013-03-12 10:52:04 AM  
Why is it that "minimalist" bloggers always seem to have the very latest MacBook Pro? A true minimalist writer would use a pen and a paper notebook, not some overly complicated, technologically advanced device.
 
2013-03-12 10:53:16 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: "Money isn't important! Taking a couple of years off to travel around the world with your closest friends is what's important!"


Exactly.

Look, travel adventures are my #1 favorite thing in life and I wouldn't trade those experiences for all the money in the world, blah blah blah. No question about it. But I make no pretense about it, either... travel is a goddamned expensive hobby. And the farther you go, the pricier it can be.

This guy's story in a nutshell: "I used to be a complete and utter twat with first-world problems out the ass. Now, I believe I have fewer first-world problems but I'm still a clueless DeutscheBank."
 
2013-03-12 10:53:23 AM  
Zen Buddhism basically.  This philosophy is nothing new.  What I think really happened is this guy really liked the movie "Fight Club" and wanted to be Tyler Durden.  His transformation and the release of that movie happened at about the same time.
 
2013-03-12 10:53:28 AM  
Needs a douchebag tag
 
2013-03-12 10:54:40 AM  
To celebrate, I bought a four-story, 3,600-square-foot, turn-of-the-century house in Seattle's happening Capitol Hill neighborhood and, in a frenzy of consumption, bought a brand-new sectional couch (my first ever), a pair of $300 sunglasses, a ton of gadgets, like an Audible.com MobilePlayer (one of the first portable digital music players) and an audiophile-worthy five-disc CD player. And, of course, a black turbocharged Volvo. With a remote starter!

Whoa! Slow down there, Bill Gates. A  FIVE DISC CD player!?!?!

Jesus, I think I won one of these at my after-prom party in '91.
 
2013-03-12 10:54:59 AM  
Self-absorbed hipster without children.

Children
 
2013-03-12 10:55:21 AM  
If only there was a middle ground between living like a penniless hippie and needing to buy everything you see.

"And, of course, a black turbocharged Volvo. " - also you're doing it wrong
 
2013-03-12 10:55:38 AM  
He quoted Chuck Palahniuk several times, and didn't mention it. Does plagiarism not count in shiatty blog posts?
 
2013-03-12 10:57:45 AM  

Smackledorfer: I have a boat.

I think I will keep it, materialism be damned.

Also some rods, multiple types of boots, a bicycle, a shotgun, some patio furniture, a grill, a firepit, and will be getting a kayak.

Might even try windsurfing this summer.

If only I had the money to experience those activities without owning stuff?



You sound like fun
 
2013-03-12 10:59:12 AM  
My wife, 11-month old girl, and I just downsized due to economic and personal reasons.  We went from living in a 4 bedroom house to a 2 bedroom condo in a remote, inexpensive area.  Yeah, I am not as rich as the author of the article, but we had two decent incomes so were able to buy a second place a few years ago, which really saved us when my wife had to leave her term-limited federal job.  Also, my work is great for letting me work remotely, from anywhere.

As for downsizing, the whole process worked out great.  We donated a lot of sundries and old furniture to various charities, gave away a lot to family and friends, and sold some items for cash (old bikes sell surprisingly well on Craigslist).  My wife did a tremendous job of paring done a lot (our basement was a junkyard), so she really deserves the credit - I just was the packmule that moved things around.  We still have a ton of things that we need to store, mostly things that we either just couldn't part with (family heirlooms mostly), or stuff we use but can't fit in the condo (camping gear, etc).  We'll spend some time really sorting, to make another cut.

It will be an interesting experiment.  Since we are renting out the house (mostly because we put so much $ into it and wouldn't have made much in profit from a sale), we can always sell in a year or more, and buy a bigger place in the remote, inexpensive area. Or, move back to the original house, if my wife gets a job back there.

The author still sounds like a pretentious twat.  But, I do agree with his overall theory.
 
2013-03-12 10:59:24 AM  
I really, really want to punch that guy.
 
2013-03-12 10:59:30 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: What I think really happened is this guy really liked the movie "Fight Club" and wanted to be Tyler Durden. His transformation and the release of that movie happened at about the same time.


Full Blown Jimbo: He quoted Chuck Palahniuk several times, and didn't mention it.


You guys are onto something, imo.
 
2013-03-12 10:59:41 AM  
IT'S CALLED DIVORCE MOTHERFARKER!!!!
 
2013-03-12 11:00:16 AM  
Lol, some people aren't cut out to handle modern life.  They must avoid much of reality in order to keep their fragile sanity in place.  And some people have an irrational fear of dogs or guns.  I'm not laughing at any of them.  They have issues they cannot control and deserve no less respect because of it.  Unless they write an article trying to draw others into their world of madness.  Then it just becomes sad.  Like a drowning man trying to drag his rescuer down with him.  But not intentionally.  Just out of reflex.  Misery loves company.
 
2013-03-12 11:00:20 AM  
I'm generally of the belief that someone so "enlightened" realizes that life is not a "one size fits all" scenario.

So the end result of two pages of published media is that a smug asshole is really just a smug asshole.

No, that's not accurate.  It's more like smug asshole is a smug asshole who got to see the world.

*shrugs*
 
2013-03-12 11:00:58 AM  

planes: [www.mytripjournal.com image 643x480]

Retired, with the kids gone, this is our home, 240 square feet. We love it, you know where all your stuff is, and I wouldn't go back to living in a regular house. Sometimes, I'll wake upnot know where the heck I am, and have to look out the window, or go out and walk around. Great feeling.


Jumping jesus, talk about small carbon footprint .. whats that thing get, 2 mpg?
 
2013-03-12 11:00:58 AM  

impaler: planes: Sometimes, I'll wake upnot know where the heck I am, and have to look out the window, or go out and walk around. Great feeling.

Preparing for Alzheimer's?


That was me during most of my early 20's.  But for different reasons.
 
2013-03-12 11:01:04 AM  
"To celebrate, I bought a four-story, 3,600-square-foot, turn-of-the-century house in Seattle's happening Capitol Hill neighborhood and, in a frenzy of consumption, bought a brand-new sectional couch (my first ever), a pair of $300 sunglasses, a ton of gadgets, like an Audible.com MobilePlayer (one of the first portable digital music players) and an audiophile-worthy five-disc CD player. And, of course, a black turbocharged Volvo. With a remote starter!"

"My hand-blown green glass dishes with the tiny bubbles and imperfections, proof they were crafted by the honest, simple, hard-working indigenous peoples of wherever."
 
2013-03-12 11:01:08 AM  
Isn't this the dictionary definition of "affluenza."  Ever hear a poor person say; "You know what man, I tried living with all that food... but life was just too complicated."
 
2013-03-12 11:01:20 AM  
I can kid of relate to what the article is about.  I used to have a three bedroom house filled with crap.  I took a job in New York and had to condense all that crap into a 230 SF apartment (not a typo).  I gave away pretty much everything except a couch, bed, dresser, dishes, clothes, TV and stereo.  Living that way really is much less complicated.  Cleaning takes almost no time, impulse shopping goes away since there's no room to put anything.  Of course, that was 12 years ago.  Now I have a five bedroom house and a bunch of kids and I'm right back to having wall to wall shiat piled up.  To quote a guy from Carcraft magazine "I don't have a retirement, but I have a lot of memories".
 
2013-03-12 11:01:20 AM  

Smackledorfer: I have a boat.

I think I will keep it, materialism be damned.

Also some rods, multiple types of boots, a bicycle, a shotgun, some patio furniture, a grill, a firepit, and will be getting a kayak.

Might even try windsurfing this summer.

If only I had the money to experience those activities without owning stuff?


How many of those to the hogshead?
 
2013-03-12 11:02:00 AM  

Full Blown Jimbo: He quoted Chuck Palahniuk several times, and didn't mention it. Does plagiarism not count in shiatty blog posts?


Okay, I stopped twitching long enough to read more carefully. He only ripped off Palahniuk once, and it wasn't a direct quote. Still, he ripped him off and some people who read this crap will think he's SO clever. Ass.
 
2013-03-12 11:02:07 AM  
But he makes ceramic mugs and purchases carbon offsets, so it's good.
 
2013-03-12 11:02:40 AM  

Ambitwistor: "It Would Be Great if Millionaires Didn't Lecture Us on 'Living With Less'"


That's farking awesome
 
2013-03-12 11:02:59 AM  
I LIVE in a 420-square-foot studio. I sleep in a bed that folds down from the wall. I have six dress shirts. I have 10 shallow bowls that I use for salads and main dishes. When people come over for dinner, I pull out my extendable dining room table. I don't have a single CD or DVD and I have 10 percent of the books I once did.

I love when a description of my life is viewed as slumming.

Though I do have a one bedroom with a real bed. BOOYAH
 
2013-03-12 11:03:12 AM  
Someone call Tobias Funke, we need an analrapist for this man.
 
2013-03-12 11:03:41 AM  

Voiceofreason01: If only there was a middle ground between living like a penniless hippie and needing to buy everything you see.

"And, of course, a black turbocharged Volvo. " - also you're doing it wrong


And he's bragging about it ??!!!
 
2013-03-12 11:04:27 AM  
Maybe this guy should consider getting married and having a family. He clearly is searching for meaning, but still hasn't found it.
 
2013-03-12 11:05:36 AM  
I respect this man.  Most people are truly unhappy with their material possessions.  We are always trying to acquire the latest gadget and latest technology in a vain attempt to show our friends and colleagues how much money we have.  We end up in a vicious cycle of acquiring more and more meaningless possessions that end up in our attics/basements.  It's a sad life we all lead.

In the past few years, I have rejected cable for the mundane programming it provides.  I also rejected my XBox because video games do not provide positive mental stimulation.  With the loss of my cable and XBox, I discovered my television was no longer useful and I sold that on Craig's List.  Now I can properly stimulate my mind and study the world we live in.  I can sit down at a dinner table and have deep, meaningful discussions about classical music and Renaissance art.

I sold my newer automobiles with all their fancy technology for a 1995 Honda Accord that gets 25mpg.  It has a radio (for NPR) and A/C.  What more do I need?  I can buy a map at a gas station for $3 if I need directions.

Obviously most people could never understand the way I live.  Most people reject a simplistic lifestyle for fear of ridicule by their "friends".  But let me ask you, are they really your friends if they judge you by the life you lead?  Since I switched to a more ideal lifestyle, I have met people who truly accept me.  I have rejected those who live in their materialistic world.  They could never understand the pleasures I now experience.
 
2013-03-12 11:05:47 AM  
I love these two quotes:

"The relationship with Olga eventually ended..."

My guess is she dumped him because he didn't have any stuff and was an intolerable douche.

"I wouldn't trade a second spent wandering the streets of Bangkok with Olga for anything I've owned."

Instead he traded a relationship with this person because he doesn't own anything.
 
2013-03-12 11:06:04 AM  
Oh, cool. Let me just get rich off a couple of internet windfalls then I can go kick around Europe and Asia for a few years.  You know, really get to know myself, live the minimalist lifestyle.  Everyone should do this.  Oh wait. Food, shelter, and travel costs money? Everyone should just have an internet windfall or two and get rich. Duh.

Oh, get an internet windfall? Just get an internet windfall? Why don't I strap on my internet windfall helmet and squeeze down into an internet windfall cannon and fire off into internet windfall land, where internet windfalls grow on little internet windfallies?!

/internet windfall
//douche
 
2013-03-12 11:06:35 AM  

Generation_D: So an attention whore narcissist who no longer got enough reward for buying things, decides to go the other extreme, and wants attention for not buying things.

Woop de woop.

Next up: he starts a religion.


THIS!!!!!!
 
2013-03-12 11:06:56 AM  
He purchased carbon offsets to compensate for all that extra travel he's doing now, so that makes it all ok.
 
2013-03-12 11:07:20 AM  

Marquis de Sod: GiantRex: Pocket Ninja: His description of Olga makes me think his life trajectory is actually closer to something like this:

1) Guy makes a lot of money, is happy, buys lots of crap he doesn't need.
2) Guy meets girl who's very different from the normal, vapid, airheaded, money-grubbing girls he normally meets. She travels places he's never been, listens to bands he's never heard of, is shockingly open about how much she enjoys sex, and constantly talks about how she doesn't care about money.
3) "Doesn't care about money" actually translates to "doesn't have money," but regardless of that fact she has learned that life can be experienced, gripped by the teeth, so to speak, by befriending people who do have it.
4) Girl who doesn't care about/have money and guy who has money and wants to keep farking girl go on trip together to gritty but safe third world destination. He sees gritty things, like people bathing in rivers. Girl has a copy of "Lonely Planet" that they use to find authentic local restaurants filled with backpack-toting Americans.
5) Guy begins to believe girl's message that money is unimportant, despite the fact that he is paying for everything. He begins to question his previous values. She encourages him, sometimes while out shopping.
6) They return home. Guy announces plans to change his lifestyle, downsize, become less material.
7) Girl dumps him.

The rest is fallout. Anyway, it's just one theory.

Don't let Hollywood see this, or we'll be seeing a trailer for the movie by the end of the year.

Un Chienne Andalou?


Slicin' up her eyeball, oh ho ho ho!
 
2013-03-12 11:07:30 AM  

quickdraw: The ancient Greeks avoided fame and the sin of hubris at all costs. Why? Because it would bring attention from the Gods and nothing good ever came from that kind of attention. I did not understand that fully until the invention of the internet.


Quote of the farking day.
 
2013-03-12 11:07:55 AM  

GiantRex: Pocket Ninja: His description of Olga makes me think his life trajectory is actually closer to something like this:

1) Guy makes a lot of money, is happy, buys lots of crap he doesn't need.
2) Guy meets girl who's very different from the normal, vapid, airheaded, money-grubbing girls he normally meets. She travels places he's never been, listens to bands he's never heard of, is shockingly open about how much she enjoys sex, and constantly talks about how she doesn't care about money.
3) "Doesn't care about money" actually translates to "doesn't have money," but regardless of that fact she has learned that life can be experienced, gripped by the teeth, so to speak, by befriending people who do have it.
4) Girl who doesn't care about/have money and guy who has money and wants to keep farking girl go on trip together to gritty but safe third world destination. He sees gritty things, like people bathing in rivers. Girl has a copy of "Lonely Planet" that they use to find authentic local restaurants filled with backpack-toting Americans.
5) Guy begins to believe girl's message that money is unimportant, despite the fact that he is paying for everything. He begins to question his previous values. She encourages him, sometimes while out shopping.
6) They return home. Guy announces plans to change his lifestyle, downsize, become less material.
7) Girl dumps him.

The rest is fallout. Anyway, it's just one theory.

Don't let Hollywood see this, or we'll be seeing a trailer for the movie by the end of the year.


Starring John Cusack and Lisa Bonet
 
2013-03-12 11:08:33 AM  

sigdiamond2000: The one single, common trait of all self-help gurus, minimalist living scolds, life coaches, "professional organizers," or any other fraudster of the multi-billion dollar personal improvement industry is this: They're all rich.


Yep.  They can enjoy having their minimalist lifestyle where they don't have to worry about anything because they are rich enough that they don't have to worry about anything.  They can spout the "I don't have to have a fancy sports car to be happy" bullshiat safe in their knowledge that if they wanted to, they could buy one any time they wanted, in cash.  There is a difference between being denied something by choice and being denied because it is impossible for one to obtain.  The former is a decision that one makes of their own free will, the latter is forced upon them.  Big farking surprise the the members of the former category have magically found a way to be at peace with themselves.
 
2013-03-12 11:09:37 AM  
I can't wait for this guy's Ted talk.
 
2013-03-12 11:10:07 AM  

planes: [www.mytripjournal.com image 643x480]

Retired, with the kids gone, this is our home, 240 square feet. We love it, you know where all your stuff is, and I wouldn't go back to living in a regular house. Sometimes, I'll wake upnot know where the heck I am, and have to look out the window, or go out and walk around. Great feeling.



Wife and I have decided on a slightly cheaper and a bit smaller of a retirement plan just the other night.
i153.photobucket.com
1.5sq feet of living space.  Maybe 18 more when we decide to stop and unpack the tent.  If we start saving now we might be able to retire in 20 years, maybe 30.  When we are both over 70.  Hah, Saving.  I think we would rather keep the electricity on.
 
2013-03-12 11:10:16 AM  
Yeah, I'm getting a little tired of these "I now live in a 7 square foot room, and I'm so excited that I spend 24 hours a day sitting on my placemat/bed and masturbating furiously, content in the knowledge that I'm better than anyone else." screeds...

shiat of hands here: Who actually thinks this guy is anything special? Except for whoever gave this shiat the 'Hero' tag of course...
 
2013-03-12 11:10:20 AM  
Oh look another person who first tried to fill the void in their life with stuff and is now trying to fill the void in their life with austerity. He sounds like every borne again Christian who wants to tell me how great JESUS is. This is a very old story, but not surprisingly this self absorbed person thinks he is the first to realize this and just needs to tell everyone about it.

People like this never consider that the problem may not be with their lifestyle, it just might be that they have no clue how to live. So, they will drift from one extreme to another always looking for something external to fill that empty void, always aware that something is missing, and never looking internally for happiness.
 
2013-03-12 11:11:16 AM  
FTFA: "To top it all off, I had to keep Seven busy. "

And you complain?

chockblock.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-12 11:11:37 AM  
Yeah, no sh**t, money substitutes for stuff.  If you have lots of money, you don't need to always own the things you want to use in life.  Money will make things happen.  For the rest of us, we don't throw everything away simply because we don't have the pile of cash to replace it willy-nilly.
 
2013-03-12 11:11:48 AM  
and for those of us that can't afford either of his lifestyles... hang on I'll be right back I need to run to the store and get that big screen TV I've been meaning to buy for the bathroom
 
2013-03-12 11:12:51 AM  

slayer199: Hey, whatever makes you happy...but I hardly think it warrants a hero tag.


Sure it does. He's a hero to pompous douchebags everywhere.
 
2013-03-12 11:14:49 AM  
if you have resource to do something productive with, you should be putting it to use, generating more resource, and giving to charity.
 
2013-03-12 11:14:52 AM  
So, travel the world, and make that your expensive hipster vagabond carbon footprint instead of your house in Seattle?

I am curious which is more tree-huggy.

Thanks for the life lesson wealthy douche bag...
 
2013-03-12 11:15:18 AM  
TFAblah blah blah something something i don't have kids i don't have kids i don't have kids have you smelled my farts they're delicious
 
2013-03-12 11:17:26 AM  
I will believe him when he gives all his money to me.
 
2013-03-12 11:17:30 AM  
If you need anything except yourself to be content then you never will be content.

Some people don`t need to be assholes for a few decades before they realise this.
 
2013-03-12 11:18:42 AM  

Knoughah: TFA:  blah blah blah something something i don't have kids i don't have kids i don't have kids have you smelled my farts they're delicious


You sound like someone with kids who wished they didn`t have kids.
 
2013-03-12 11:18:44 AM  
 a car to insure, wash, refuel,

Holy hell.  I bet you had to gas up your car BEFORE you got all that money too!
 
2013-03-12 11:19:52 AM  

DubyaHater: I respect this man.  Most people are truly unhappy with their material possessions.  We are always trying to acquire the latest gadget and latest technology in a vain attempt to show our friends and colleagues how much money we have.  We end up in a vicious cycle of acquiring more and more meaningless possessions that end up in our attics/basements.  It's a sad life we all lead.

In the past few years, I have rejected cable for the mundane programming it provides.  I also rejected my XBox because video games do not provide positive mental stimulation.  With the loss of my cable and XBox, I discovered my television was no longer useful and I sold that on Craig's List.  Now I can properly stimulate my mind and study the world we live in.  I can sit down at a dinner table and have deep, meaningful discussions about classical music and Renaissance art.

I sold my newer automobiles with all their fancy technology for a 1995 Honda Accord that gets 25mpg.  It has a radio (for NPR) and A/C.  What more do I need?  I can buy a map at a gas station for $3 if I need directions.

Obviously most people could never understand the way I live.  Most people reject a simplistic lifestyle for fear of ridicule by their "friends".  But let me ask you, are they really your friends if they judge you by the life you lead?  Since I switched to a more ideal lifestyle, I have met people who truly accept me.  I have rejected those who live in their materialistic world.  They could never understand the pleasures I now experience.


Respect him? I'd respect him more if he had said that he stopped chasing the latest gadget, car, house, hot young thing and learned to enjoy those he had. He just went from one extreme to the other and does not seem to realize the problem does not lie with his stuff, but with himself.

You also sound like someone who is reaching for something that they don't quite understand. Who seems to want to be a deep thinker. Getting rid of your stuff is not the way to happiness, realizing that X-Boxs, TV's, Houses, Cars, etc... are just and they have a place in your life, but are not your life. You can enjoy video games and not be obssesed by them, you can have a big screen TV and not worry about it being the latest, greatest HD, 3D, Plasma monstrosity, your house can be the place you lay your head, your refuge from the world, with out needing a 10,000 dollar living room, a 20,000 dollar bathroom, etc...

Both you and this author seem to think your lifestyle is superior to everyone else's, this just makes you and him tools. Besides nobody cares, nobody really gives a shiat if you want to pretend it is the 1950's, because this makes you feel superior. We don't care, other then to point out you sound like a douche bag when you talk about your "superior" life style.
 
2013-03-12 11:22:21 AM  
This is all I thought of while reading the article and then the comments section.
thetechprblog.com

Smug writer and even more smug comments. Birds of a feather...
 
2013-03-12 11:23:07 AM  
The months I spent banging Olga in Barcelona and in Thailand changed my lifestyle too.
 
2013-03-12 11:25:03 AM  

red5ish: The months I spent banging Olga in Barcelona and in Thailand changed my lifestyle too.


But that was only because you caught "her" standing while peeing so it does not count.
 
2013-03-12 11:26:00 AM  
Look, you could give me every exquisite watch in the world, and it wouldn't make me happy for very long, because I don't really care about watches. Maybe you love watches, it doesn't make me any less of a materialistic than you.


So this guy figures out that he prefers constant world travel and beautiful European women over furniture. Congratulations asshole! What an enlightened creature you are! Your lifestyle still requires you to be wealthy, and money is material, even if it's being exchanged for experiences and plane tickets instead of luxury cars.


So, in closing, eat an entire pile of dongs, you smug motherfarker.
 
2013-03-12 11:26:25 AM  
...when I met Olga, an Andorran beauty

images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-03-12 11:28:29 AM  
Money, sex, and air. Only important when you don't have any.
 
2013-03-12 11:29:05 AM  
An old song, just a different tenor.

www.superawesomewow.com
'You can't own things, man.'
 
2013-03-12 11:29:43 AM  
Going off subby's subject title, I assume he owns an iPhone?
 
2013-03-12 11:29:45 AM  

Pocket Ninja: His description of Olga makes me think his life trajectory is actually closer to something like this:


you sound bitter...
*ducks*
 
2013-03-12 11:32:46 AM  

St_Francis_P: Mugato: So when was he the bigger pompous asshole, when he had a lot of shiat or now that he's a minimalist? Or is it about even?

In both cases he was a bigger pompous asshole than the other. It's a paradox.


A rich guy complaining about being rich?

Fark him.
 
2013-03-12 11:35:57 AM  
I ain't sayin' she's a gold-digger,
But you don't see her livin' in no 420 ft2 apartment!

/fish-stdicks
 
2013-03-12 11:36:17 AM  
jayhawk88:  audiophile-worthy five-disc CD player. And, of course, a black turbocharged Volvo. With a remote starter!

Whoa! Slow down there, Bill Gates. A  FIVE DISC CD player!?!?!


It is the Audiophile piece that gets expensive.
It probably had acoustically tuned wooden knobs, the tray balanced on spindles made of spider webs, and plugged into a solid state noise reduction outlet (which required rewiring the whole house if he did it 'right').
 
2013-03-12 11:36:53 AM  

Pocket Ninja: 6) They return home. Guy announces plans to change his lifestyle, downsize, become less material.

The rest is fallout. Anyway, it's just one theory.


I know exactly how this part goes. I have no desire to ever pick up another empty Nuka Cola bottle.
 
2013-03-12 11:37:58 AM  
Typical Farkers. He IS better than most of you. He's better than me.
Just accept simple facts and try to learn from them.
Don't be small and bitter...
 
2013-03-12 11:40:22 AM  

Full Blown Jimbo: Okay, I stopped twitching long enough to read more carefully. He only ripped off Palahniuk once, and it wasn't a direct quote. Still, he ripped him off and some people who read this crap will think he's SO clever. Ass.


Curious, what was the Chuck Palahniuk quote?
 
2013-03-12 11:41:59 AM  

cr7pilot: "flush with cash from an Internet start-up sale "
"not everyone gets an Internet windfall before turning 30 "
"more money than I thought I'd earn in a lifetime. "
"not everyone gets a windfall from a tech start-up sale. "
Did he mention that he made a lot of money?
I love it when rich people tell me how to live with less...


Did he mention he made a bunch of money which made him superior? I may have missed that.

quickdraw: From TFA "My life was unnecessarily complicated. There were lawns to mow, gutters to clear, floors to vacuum, roommates to manage (it seemed nuts to have such a big, empty house) "

I think I see your problem.


WTF is up with this?  Roommates in Seattle and Soho.  Lived by myself for several years until Mrs Carter and the little Carters came along.  In my darkest most cash strapped hours never ever contemplated a roommate.   He is just an idiot
 
2013-03-12 11:43:10 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: "Money isn't important! Taking a couple of years off to travel around the world with your closest friends is what's important!"


I dated a trust funder---a guy who never worked a day in his life and was unlikely to ever need to---who thought this way.  He was always traveling, always taking pictures.  He couldn't understand that I couldn't just drop everything in my life (read: job and school) and travel with him whenever he wanted.   Even when I was working just-barely-above-minimum-wage jobs without any benefits, he'd say things like "just use some vacation days."

\no surprise: it didn't work out
 
2013-03-12 11:43:26 AM  

Joe Blowme: red5ish: The months I spent banging Olga in Barcelona and in Thailand changed my lifestyle too.

But that was only because you caught "her" standing while peeing so it does not count.


It was a shocker, but it did explain why "she" was so enthusiastic about "Andoran" sex.
 
2013-03-12 11:44:46 AM  

doubled99: Typical Farkers. He IS better than most of you. He's better than me.
Just accept simple facts and try to learn from them.
Don't be small and bitter...


Ah, Worthington's Law.
 
2013-03-12 11:46:23 AM  

sigdiamond2000: You know, between this and the Slate article yesterday by the allergic woman bragging about pestering a grieving mother at a wake about the peanut content of the food, I'm really starting to wonder whether these supposedly legitimate web sites/newspapers are purposely publishing stuff they know is trollish just for page hits.

I mean, I can't imagine more than 3% of the population not wanting to punch this guy in the face after reading this article. They have to realize that, right?


THIS.  I'm typically non-violent but this self-absorbed douche needs a punch to the throat.

Quote: "Aside from my travel habit - which I try to keep in check by minimizing trips, combining trips and purchasing carbon offsets - I feel better that my carbon footprint is significantly smaller than in my previous supersized life."

If only we could all have the time to stress about our carbon footprint.  He reminds me of every hill staffer/intern that I've ever met in DC.
 
2013-03-12 11:46:47 AM  

dready zim: Knoughah: TFA:  blah blah blah something something i don't have kids i don't have kids i don't have kids have you smelled my farts they're delicious

You sound like someone with kids who wished they didn`t have kids.


You've got the first part right. Not so much the second. My point is that "stuff" doesn't take over your life as much as kids do. And that once they do, the kind of Tyler-Durden-lite sentiment espoused by the writer becomes mostly irrelevant. It is simply not about you after you have kids.
 
2013-03-12 11:47:01 AM  

DubyaHater: I respect this man.  Most people are truly unhappy with their material possessions.  We are always trying to acquire the latest gadget and latest technology in a vain attempt to show our friends and colleagues how much money we have.  We end up in a vicious cycle of acquiring more and more meaningless possessions that end up in our attics/basements.  It's a sad life we all lead.

In the past few years, I have rejected cable for the mundane programming it provides.  I also rejected my XBox because video games do not provide positive mental stimulation.  With the loss of my cable and XBox, I discovered my television was no longer useful and I sold that on Craig's List.  Now I can properly stimulate my mind and study the world we live in.  I can sit down at a dinner table and have deep, meaningful discussions about classical music and Renaissance art.

I sold my newer automobiles with all their fancy technology for a 1995 Honda Accord that gets 25mpg.  It has a radio (for NPR) and A/C.  What more do I need?  I can buy a map at a gas station for $3 if I need directions.

Obviously most people could never understand the way I live.  Most people reject a simplistic lifestyle for fear of ridicule by their "friends".  But let me ask you, are they really your friends if they judge you by the life you lead?  Since I switched to a more ideal lifestyle, I have met people who truly accept me.  I have rejected those who live in their materialistic world.  They could never understand the pleasures I now experience.


It seems the problem here (and with King Douchenozzle in the original article) is that y'all never learned how to moderate or be picky. If you it isn't useful or enjoyable (or, preferably, both), don't buy it. It isn't "we" who live in a vicious cycle - it was you. Most people don't live like that - they have family and religion and hobbies and work that fill that void to overflowing. Don't generalize your experience here - not everyone is, has been, or will be a member of the cult of more.

Also, do you know how much information and art you are giving up without television or, for that matter, video games? We are living in an age of complex and innovative culture in a never-ending feed. Even if you only use it for movies and documentaries and news, you are removing a crucial portal to the world at large and an incredibly useful tool.

I could never be a minimalist. I need a decent sized place just to store my books, videos, wife, and German Shepherd mutt. Also a decent kitchen. Don't these people cook?
 
2013-03-12 11:47:07 AM  

DubyaHater: I respect this man...


Our stories have a lot in common.  I was like this man once.  I was born into a rich family, my father and I traveled all over the world for business.  While in China my father was murdered and I was taken in by a local shaolin monastery to be taught the ways of Kung-fu.  I thought my life made sense then ... I was happy.  But before long, the nephew of the Chinese Emperor killed my master, and, in a fit of rage, I broke my vows and abandoned the values that my Master held dear by killing the nephew right back.  Now I wander the American West, taking what work comes and continue my Master's legacy.  My life is finally full, I enjoy the simple pleasures: learning life's lessons and teaching them to others, the satisfaction of overcoming obstacles in my way, and the gentle art of auto-erotic asphyxiation.

It is truly a beautiful world.
 
2013-03-12 11:47:40 AM  

jayhawk88: To celebrate, I bought a four-story, 3,600-square-foot, turn-of-the-century house in Seattle's happening Capitol Hill neighborhood and, in a frenzy of consumption, bought a brand-new sectional couch (my first ever), a pair of $300 sunglasses, a ton of gadgets, like an Audible.com MobilePlayer (one of the first portable digital music players) and an audiophile-worthy five-disc CD player. And, of course, a black turbocharged Volvo. With a remote starter!

Whoa! Slow down there, Bill Gates. A  FIVE DISC CD player!?!?!

Jesus, I think I won one of these at my after-prom party in '91.


I bought a stereo system back in '87 that had a 6 DISC changer.
 
2013-03-12 11:48:56 AM  
Don't you just gotta LOL when self-centered douchebags like this clown try to put a spin on their failures in life? Who's he think he's kidding?

So, it's now cool to be with less. Has nothing to do with you losing your shirt because of the economy. You want to show how cool you are by being "restrained". Suuuuuuuuuuuure!
 
2013-03-12 11:50:17 AM  

red5ish: Joe Blowme: red5ish: The months I spent banging Olga in Barcelona and in Thailand changed my lifestyle too.

But that was only because you caught "her" standing while peeing so it does not count.

It was a shocker, but it did explain why "she" was so enthusiastic about "Andoran" sex.


Was it blue in the middle too?
 
2013-03-12 11:51:04 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: Respect him? I'd respect him more if he had said that he stopped chasing the latest gadget, car, house, hot young thing and learned to enjoy those he had. He just went from one extreme to the other and does not seem to realize the problem does not lie with his stuff, but with himself.


This was my thought, too. I neither want nor need to be told how 'materialistic' I am. The things I have in my life I have for a reason. When I buy something new, I've already considered if and how it fits my lifestyle, and have chosen accordingly.

No doubt there are people who have different lives and needs, and can make do with less. Bully for them, but they are not me. They cannot chose for me, nor speak for what I need in my life. If they presume they can without recognizing that difference, they are not superior to me, but inferior, by dint of being less tolerant.
 
2013-03-12 11:51:39 AM  
HAHA.

Reminds me of my ex-wife.
She lived a 'minimalist' lifestyle (depression era really) and was on my case constantly about how much money I was spending. Finally, I stopped caring and said, I am taking the kids on a vacation and I am going to start socializing even if it cost gas money.

So, she left me. She felt I did not understand her needs and I was way to materialistic.
She claimed she would not ask anything of me, as she could make do just fine.

UNTIL... (da da dummm) she moved out and TRIED living on her own.
Then she realized it cost MONEY to live, commute, and be a member of society and not a house hermit.
She briefly tried to reconcile, no thanks, and that mantra of not requiring anything of me turned into a cry-fest at the courts and me paying child support.

So much more minimalist living when someone else (or internet windfall) is not there to seamlessly pay the bills.
 
2013-03-12 11:52:38 AM  
The author is definitely a pretentious hipster douche, but there is something to be said for not wasting money on shiat you don't use.
 
2013-03-12 11:54:31 AM  

Magnanimous_J: Your lifestyle still requires you to be wealthy, and money is material, even if it's being exchanged for experiences and plane tickets instead of luxury cars.


This.
 
2013-03-12 11:56:38 AM  
"I hate those people who love to tell you/
money is the root of all that kills/
They have never been poor/
They have never had the joy of a welfare Christmas"

- Everclear

/1st album I ever bought with my own money
//Super true
 
2013-03-12 11:56:45 AM  
many of the affordable products we buy depend on cheap, often exploitive overseas labor and lax environmental regulations.

Well thanks for that breaking update, Ric farking Romero.
 
2013-03-12 11:57:34 AM  
I don't want to "experience life." I want to experience lots of shiny possessions.
 
2013-03-12 11:58:28 AM  

airplane_mech2: jayhawk88: To celebrate, I bought a four-story, 3,600-square-foot, turn-of-the-century house in Seattle's happening Capitol Hill neighborhood and, in a frenzy of consumption, bought a brand-new sectional couch (my first ever), a pair of $300 sunglasses, a ton of gadgets, like an Audible.com MobilePlayer (one of the first portable digital music players) and an audiophile-worthy five-disc CD player. And, of course, a black turbocharged Volvo. With a remote starter!

Whoa! Slow down there, Bill Gates. A  FIVE DISC CD player!?!?!

Jesus, I think I won one of these at my after-prom party in '91.

I bought a stereo system back in '87 that had a 6 DISC changer.


www.pioneerelectronics.com

Those were awesome.
 
2013-03-12 11:59:56 AM  

TheSelphie: The author is definitely a pretentious hipster douche, but there is something to be said for not wasting money on shiat you don't use.


I don't even own a TV.

/I own six
 
2013-03-12 12:00:14 PM  

Weigard: I can't wait for this guy's Ted talk.


I've never understood the appeal of Ted talks.  I watched maybe 10 of them before I realized they were self-absorbed know-it-alls who think they need to educate everyone about a niche topic, which they usually only know a modicum about.  No offense Drew, but yours was a prime example.
 
2013-03-12 12:00:29 PM  
I was expecting him to mention a few times how he doesn't even own a TV.
 
2013-03-12 12:01:02 PM  
Although I would not write an article about it on the internet I actually agree with the guy in many ways.
 
2013-03-12 12:02:29 PM  
I watched a continuous line of people leaving Ikea and walking to the parking garage last week. Most of them were pushing carts with large boxes. It looked exactly like ants returning to the hive carrying what they foraged, only in reverse.

I couldn't help but imagine all those cars leaving in a steady stream; returning to houses and apartments that slowly filled up with new things, while old things made their way to the dump.

It was disturbing, but also amazing to see. Like the stream of water that turns the mill wheel, this was a literal stream of consumers driving our economy.

So, anyway...that guy needs to STFU because I want my stock portfolio to increase in value.
 
2013-03-12 12:04:54 PM  
He could teach us, but he'd have to charge?

/DRTFA
 
2013-03-12 12:10:07 PM  
I have 10 percent of the books I once did.

How could that possibly be a good thing? Most people would get rid of opulent things to make more room for books. Did he just keep the 5 he had actually read?
 
2013-03-12 12:10:14 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Although I would not write an article about it on the internet I actually agree with the guy in many ways.


That travelling the world with no real concern of future needs is superior to be tied down to one location while working most of your waking hours in the hopes that you don't end up bankrupt sometime in the future when you may have kids you need to raise?

Yea, I agree with that.
 
2013-03-12 12:11:22 PM  

wumpus: I have 10 percent of the books I once did.

How could that possibly be a good thing? Most people would get rid of opulent things to make more room for books. Did he just keep the 5 he had actually read?


I need to get rid of all my books and get a kindle.  He probably just did the same thing while saving a handful of the books he likes to present to company.
 
2013-03-12 12:13:02 PM  
I'm a minimalist.

/Not by choice, but life is still good.
 
2013-03-12 12:13:20 PM  
He's single and has no children. Have fun living in a 420 sq. ft. studio whenever you get wife and kid.
 
2013-03-12 12:14:17 PM  

Pocket Ninja: His description of Olga makes me think his life trajectory is actually closer to something like this:

1) Guy makes a lot of money, is happy, buys lots of crap he doesn't need.
2) Guy meets girl who's very different from the normal, vapid, airheaded, money-grubbing girls he normally meets. She travels places he's never been, listens to bands he's never heard of, is shockingly open about how much she enjoys sex, and constantly talks about how she doesn't care about money.
3) "Doesn't care about money" actually translates to "doesn't have money," but regardless of that fact she has learned that life can be experienced, gripped by the teeth, so to speak, by befriending people who do have it.
4) Girl who doesn't care about/have money and guy who has money and wants to keep farking girl go on trip together to gritty but safe third world destination. He sees gritty things, like people bathing in rivers. Girl has a copy of "Lonely Planet" that they use to find authentic local restaurants filled with backpack-toting Americans.
5) Guy begins to believe girl's message that money is unimportant, despite the fact that he is paying for everything. He begins to question his previous values. She encourages him, sometimes while out shopping.
6) They return home. Guy announces plans to change his lifestyle, downsize, become less material.
7) Girl dumps him.

The rest is fallout. Anyway, it's just one theory.


OK, focus groups tell us that we need a sassy black female and a precocious , wise beyond his/her ate, child and/or a snarky but kind old lady.

We have Zooey Deschanel's people on the phone, but we are not sure about the male lead.

Just make sure the "Third world country" doesn't look too third world and we can open the champagne...
 
2013-03-12 12:14:20 PM  

wumpus: I have 10 percent of the books I once did.

How could that possibly be a good thing? Most people would get rid of opulent things to make more room for books. Did he just keep the 5 he had actually read?


I think he meant physical books.
 
2013-03-12 12:14:32 PM  

lostcat: I couldn't help but imagine all those cars leaving in a steady stream; returning to houses and apartments that slowly filled up with new things, while old things made their way to the dump.



Everything in the universe is cyclical. Stars form, live, supernova and disperse the elements that coalesce into the solar system that is born in its place.


Stagnancy in anything is unnatural.
 
2013-03-12 12:15:17 PM  

DarkPascual: Pocket Ninja: His description of Olga makes me think his life trajectory is actually closer to something like this:

1) Guy makes a lot of money, is happy, buys lots of crap he doesn't need.
2) Guy meets girl who's very different from the normal, vapid, airheaded, money-grubbing girls he normally meets. She travels places he's never been, listens to bands he's never heard of, is shockingly open about how much she enjoys sex, and constantly talks about how she doesn't care about money.
3) "Doesn't care about money" actually translates to "doesn't have money," but regardless of that fact she has learned that life can be experienced, gripped by the teeth, so to speak, by befriending people who do have it.
4) Girl who doesn't care about/have money and guy who has money and wants to keep farking girl go on trip together to gritty but safe third world destination. He sees gritty things, like people bathing in rivers. Girl has a copy of "Lonely Planet" that they use to find authentic local restaurants filled with backpack-toting Americans.
5) Guy begins to believe girl's message that money is unimportant, despite the fact that he is paying for everything. He begins to question his previous values. She encourages him, sometimes while out shopping.
6) They return home. Guy announces plans to change his lifestyle, downsize, become less material.
7) Girl dumps him.

The rest is fallout. Anyway, it's just one theory.

OK, focus groups tell us that we need a sassy black female and a precocious , wise beyond his/her ate, child and/or a snarky but kind old lady.

We have Zooey Deschanel's people on the phone, but we are not sure about the male lead.

Just make sure the "Third world country" doesn't look too third world and we can open the champagne...


Julia Roberts and Hugh Grant. Christ, do I have to do everything around here?
 
2013-03-12 12:15:31 PM  
now that's what i call edgy
i941.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-12 12:16:01 PM  

xdedd: He's single and has no children. Have fun living in a 420 sq. ft. studio whenever you get wife and kid.


It will probably be difficult to meet someone when every third word out of his mouth gives people the urge to punch him in the face.
 
2013-03-12 12:17:09 PM  

Smackledorfer: wumpus: I have 10 percent of the books I once did.

How could that possibly be a good thing? Most people would get rid of opulent things to make more room for books. Did he just keep the 5 he had actually read?

I need to get rid of all my books and get a kindle.  He probably just did the same thing while saving a handful of the books he likes to present to company.


My wife and I have done this.  For the newer stuff, where authors are still alive, or I haven't previously purchased, I'll buy an online copy.  For the older stuff, where the author is long gone, I download their entire library (I do own a lot, but having everything is awesome).  Having it all fit on a Kindle is a nice luxury.

/Project Gutenberg Australia
//Lib.ru
///Tons of non-american sites that offers english-text 1950's / 1960's science fiction.
 
2013-03-12 12:17:31 PM  
6-disc changer, pfft you guys are amateurs. I had a 200 disc changer. I think it is on a shelf in one of my houses somewhere.
 
2013-03-12 12:18:56 PM  
Storage locker co's need to go. Unless you are moving and need it for about a month of transition you have too much stuff. And are paying ten times over on it... or making people rich on stupid tv shows.
Other than that, this guy is an idiot. I would have been very happy in your shoes cockbag.
 
2013-03-12 12:19:25 PM  

Pocket Ninja: His description of Olga makes me think his life trajectory is actually closer to something like this:

1) Guy makes a lot of money, is happy, buys lots of crap he doesn't need.
2) Guy meets girl who's very different from the normal, vapid, airheaded, money-grubbing girls he normally meets. She travels places he's never been, listens to bands he's never heard of, is shockingly open about how much she enjoys sex, and constantly talks about how she doesn't care about money.
3) "Doesn't care about money" actually translates to "doesn't have money," but regardless of that fact she has learned that life can be experienced, gripped by the teeth, so to speak, by befriending people who do have it.
4) Girl who doesn't care about/have money and guy who has money and wants to keep farking girl go on trip together to gritty but safe third world destination. He sees gritty things, like people bathing in rivers. Girl has a copy of "Lonely Planet" that they use to find authentic local restaurants filled with backpack-toting Americans.
5) Guy begins to believe girl's message that money is unimportant, despite the fact that he is paying for everything. He begins to question his previous values. She encourages him, sometimes while out shopping.
6) They return home. Guy announces plans to change his lifestyle, downsize, become less material.
7) Girl dumps him.

The rest is fallout. Anyway, it's just one theory.


I once had a dream that went just like this actually.
 
2013-03-12 12:20:49 PM  
rsrc.psychologytoday.com
 
2013-03-12 12:21:02 PM  
#richpeopleproblems
 
2013-03-12 12:22:05 PM  
I have plenty of stuff. I need more time.
 
2013-03-12 12:22:30 PM  
So now I have a long NYT article that accurately describes what a 'douche' is.
 
2013-03-12 12:23:41 PM  

NeverDrunk23: xdedd: He's single and has no children. Have fun living in a 420 sq. ft. studio whenever you get wife and kid.

It will probably be difficult to meet someone when every third word out of his mouth gives people the urge to punch him in the face.


No, he will be able to meet the cute nurses in whatever emergency department he ends up at.

And hopefully, his jaw will be wired shut for a long time.

/Mmm, nurses...
 
2013-03-12 12:24:23 PM  

aedude01: sigdiamond2000: You know, between this and the Slate article yesterday by the allergic woman bragging about pestering a grieving mother at a wake about the peanut content of the food, I'm really starting to wonder whether these supposedly legitimate web sites/newspapers are purposely publishing stuff they know is trollish just for page hits.

I mean, I can't imagine more than 3% of the population not wanting to punch this guy in the face after reading this article. They have to realize that, right?

THIS.  I'm typically non-violent but this self-absorbed douche needs a punch to the throat.

Quote: "Aside from my travel habit - which I try to keep in check by minimizing trips, combining trips and purchasing carbon offsets - I feel better that my carbon footprint is significantly smaller than in my previous supersized life."

If only we could all have the time to stress about our carbon footprint.  He reminds me of every hill staffer/intern that I've ever met in DC.


Wouldn't he be having an even bigger carbon footprint than before now with all the traveling and jet fuel that he is using?
 
2013-03-12 12:25:34 PM  

WTF Indeed: Lumpmoose: A phone isn't supposed to "excite" you or improve your emotional state.  You sound farked up in the head in a way that shouldn't be blamed on materialism.  See a therapist.  Moving from one extreme to the other doesn't make you wise.

The problem is he is like many people who don't have the money to upgrade their lives yet still feel the need to do it anyway.  So instead of writing an article about this problem, he wrote one about how stuff doesn't buy happiness while sitting in his $2,000-a month NYC apartment.


UGH. A friend of mine is going through a depression, which of course is really serious but he's become such a prick. He goes to me all knowingly and haughty: "Money doesn't buy you happiness". I told him that I agree, and that is why even though I can make double my salary in corporate, I prefer my independent contractor lifestyle. I take happiness and lifestyle over money. But he kept on behaving like I have NO IDEA what he was talking about. And so basically I said, "Really? Money doesn't make you happy? That's rich, coming from a guy wearing a Rolex who lives in a $600k 1 bedroom. Seriously, why don't you ask how happy your salary would make your maid?"

His wife (who is grew up in a very working class lifestyle in the Midwest) busted out laughing.
 
2013-03-12 12:27:58 PM  
Can't wait to quit work and live in a van down by the river.
 
2013-03-12 12:28:16 PM  

Magnanimous_J: lostcat: I couldn't help but imagine all those cars leaving in a steady stream; returning to houses and apartments that slowly filled up with new things, while old things made their way to the dump.

Everything in the universe is cyclical. Stars form, live, supernova and disperse the elements that coalesce into the solar system that is born in its place.

Stagnancy in anything is unnatural.


You start dying when you stop changing. That's my theory at least.
 
2013-03-12 12:30:42 PM  
I applaud his divesting himself of his material goods.

That leaves more stuff for me.
 
2013-03-12 12:31:52 PM  
Things make you happy. No one with stuff ever offs themselves.
 
2013-03-12 12:33:47 PM  

Pocket Ninja: His description of Olga makes me think his life trajectory is actually closer to something like this:

1) Guy makes a lot of money, is happy, buys lots of crap he doesn't need.
2) Guy meets girl who's very different from the normal, vapid, airheaded, money-grubbing girls he normally meets. She travels places he's never been, listens to bands he's never heard of, is shockingly open about how much she enjoys sex, and constantly talks about how she doesn't care about money.
3) "Doesn't care about money" actually translates to "doesn't have money," but regardless of that fact she has learned that life can be experienced, gripped by the teeth, so to speak, by befriending people who do have it.
4) Girl who doesn't care about/have money and guy who has money and wants to keep farking girl go on trip together to gritty but safe third world destination. He sees gritty things, like people bathing in rivers. Girl has a copy of "Lonely Planet" that they use to find authentic local restaurants filled with backpack-toting Americans.
5) Guy begins to believe girl's message that money is unimportant, despite the fact that he is paying for everything. He begins to question his previous values. She encourages him, sometimes while out shopping.
6) They return home. Guy announces plans to change his lifestyle, downsize, become less material.
7) Girl dumps him.

The rest is fallout. Anyway, it's just one theory.


Sounds about right.

/also, I want to shiat on one of this guy's six shirts
 
2013-03-12 12:34:15 PM  
Regarding minimalism, there's a cute New Yorker cartoon that shows two people in a BIG empty room, with only a chair in it.

One guy goes to the other:

"You know he has to be REALLY rich to be able to afford so much nothing"

or something along those lines :-)
 
2013-03-12 12:34:25 PM  
FTFA: I LIVE in a 420-square-foot studio. I sleep in a bed that folds down from the wall. I have six dress shirts. I have 10 shallow bowls that I use for salads and main dishes. When people come over for dinner, I pull out my extendable dining room table. I don't have a single CD or DVD and I have 10 percent of the books I once did.

He has more than me, and a lot of that shiat is actually MORE expensive than folks like me can afford.  Cute fold-out shiat from Sharper Image tends to be pricey, or have to be replaced constantly.
 
2013-03-12 12:35:34 PM  

WhippingBoy: wumpus: I have 10 percent of the books I once did.

How could that possibly be a good thing? Most people would get rid of opulent things to make more room for books. Did he just keep the 5 he had actually read?

I think he meant physical books.


If he means he got rid of physical books, and put them on a kindle, he's an even bigger douche.
 
2013-03-12 12:37:28 PM  
All you need to have done to see the epidemic of materialism was to drive through south central Los Angeles on any weekend, preferably holiday weekend, before the 2007/2008 crash and look at the cars the people who live there drive. It seemed that a double-digit percentage of people that live in the LA Slums at one point owned a Cadillac Escalade. Their homes usually had bars on the windows and the yards were not well maintained. However, their mobile-status symbol which they had probably not made regular payments on, let them drive anywhere in LA and appear "wealthy".

Materialism run amok, L.A. is the heart of it all.
 
2013-03-12 12:37:47 PM  

TheBigJerk: Cute fold-out shiat from Sharper Image tends to be pricey,


How bourgeois.

No, you hire a contractor to custom build your 'minimalist' apartment.
 
2013-03-12 12:38:11 PM  
You bunch of hanger-ons! Go read The Fountainhead and be grateful for the doers of the world.
 
2013-03-12 12:41:05 PM  
"I used to own a lot of really cool stuff. Then I threw it all away, to become a better person. Now I suddenly need some of that cool stuff back, so I called in my last few favors to get the Times to run this article, about how you can also be a better person if you get rid of all your cool stuff, mostly by giving it to me."

/the circle of Ponzi
 
2013-03-12 12:41:28 PM  
My life got simpler this morning, my furnace broke so I don't have worry about heating my house anymore.
 
2013-03-12 12:42:38 PM  

nickerj1: Weigard: I can't wait for this guy's Ted talk.

I've never understood the appeal of Ted talks.  I watched maybe 10 of them before I realized they were self-absorbed know-it-alls who think they need to educate everyone about a niche topic, which they usually only know a modicum about.  No offense Drew, but yours was a prime example.


Once one understands that TED is 'non-profit' in the same way that the US Olympic Committee is 'non-profit', and that anyone can host their own franchised TED talk if they pony up enough money, one begins to realize that the talks are auditory Facebook posts.
 
2013-03-12 12:43:24 PM  

Big Man On Campus: All you need to have done to see the epidemic of materialism was to drive through south central Los Angeles on any weekend, preferably holiday weekend, before the 2007/2008 crash and look at the cars the people who live there drive. It seemed that a double-digit percentage of people that live in the LA Slums at one point owned a Cadillac Escalade. Their homes usually had bars on the windows and the yards were not well maintained. However, their mobile-status symbol which they had probably not made regular payments on, let them drive anywhere in LA and appear "wealthy".

Materialism run amok, L.A. is the heart of it all.


Hehe, same in NYC. The project's parking lots are filled with SWEET cars.

And my husband and I make a living in the top 8% and don't even own one.
 
2013-03-12 12:43:48 PM  

impaler: TheBigJerk: Cute fold-out shiat from Sharper Image tends to be pricey,

How bourgeois.

No, you hire a contractor to custom build your 'minimalist' apartment.


In the words of the great Billy Joel; "You can't dress trashy till you spend a lot of money".
 
2013-03-12 12:44:58 PM  

Ambitwistor: "It Would Be Great if Millionaires Didn't Lecture Us on 'Living With Less'"



Oh man, that article hit the nail on the head perfectly.
 
2013-03-12 12:51:23 PM  
Why can't anyone be measured or moderate about anything anymore? This guy makes some worthwhile points, and I'm happy for him that he has experienced his little personal epiphany. But I'm pretty sure his shiat still stinks, and that he's still pretty much the same guy with less stuff to worry about.
 
2013-03-12 12:55:43 PM  
Reminds me of the awful 1982 song by Charlene. In "I've Never Been to Me" she endlessly brags about all the crazy things she's done in her youth and then preaches about the evils of "subtle whoring."
 
2013-03-12 12:57:13 PM  

Lollipop165: Big Man On Campus: All you need to have done to see the epidemic of materialism was to drive through south central Los Angeles on any weekend, preferably holiday weekend, before the 2007/2008 crash and look at the cars the people who live there drive. It seemed that a double-digit percentage of people that live in the LA Slums at one point owned a Cadillac Escalade. Their homes usually had bars on the windows and the yards were not well maintained. However, their mobile-status symbol which they had probably not made regular payments on, let them drive anywhere in LA and appear "wealthy".

Materialism run amok, L.A. is the heart of it all.

Hehe, same in NYC. The project's parking lots are filled with SWEET cars.

And my husband and I make a living in the top 8% and don't even own one.


I'm not sure poor people renting nice things is pure materialism as much as it is hopelessness.  When one doesn't believe they have a chance at a successful future, there isn't much incentive to save money.  This goes double for anyone who gets their income from criminal activity. Talk to poor people about smoking and how it is a drain on their wallet and health, and they will often respond with both an acknowledgement that you are correct as well as a presenting their habit as some type of defiance against their lot in life.  Smoking feels good now, and they will be a paycheck or two away from the streets whether they quit or not.

Of course I'm not saying they are right to think this way, as they would all be better off if they made good decisions. You can see this kind of behavior in other ways in other walks of life as well. It isn't restricted to being poor.  People who don't think they will find love not bothering to make themselves more attractive, etc.
 
2013-03-12 12:59:42 PM  

St_Francis_P: Mugato: So when was he the bigger pompous asshole, when he had a lot of shiat or now that he's a minimalist? Or is it about even?

In both cases he was a bigger pompous asshole than the other. It's a paradox.


I saw this article a couple of days ago, and it irked me, and I'd like to thank both of  you for articulating it for me.

The best I could come up with was "douche" but this is so much more sophisticated.
 
2013-03-12 01:01:39 PM  
Bet he has a tiny come sock hidden in that Murphy bed
 
2013-03-12 01:01:48 PM  
materialism isn't bad in itself, it's just that most people don't know what really makes them happy, we think we know but really it's just a guess, and that stresses people out to the point they aren't as picky in what they buy, but because they don't have a lot of money they latch onto whatever it is they can get, and the cycle continues...
 
2013-03-12 01:03:15 PM  
When I moved from one state to another to start a business, I sold just about everything I owned off.
I've been unencumbered since then.
It's true.. don't let your possessions possess you.
 
2013-03-12 01:05:13 PM  
Own less, care about it less.
 
2013-03-12 01:05:44 PM  
Am I supposed to be impressed?
 
2013-03-12 01:05:53 PM  

Smackledorfer: Lollipop165: Big Man On Campus: All you need to have done to see the epidemic of materialism was to drive through south central Los Angeles on any weekend, preferably holiday weekend, before the 2007/2008 crash and look at the cars the people who live there drive. It seemed that a double-digit percentage of people that live in the LA Slums at one point owned a Cadillac Escalade. Their homes usually had bars on the windows and the yards were not well maintained. However, their mobile-status symbol which they had probably not made regular payments on, let them drive anywhere in LA and appear "wealthy".

Materialism run amok, L.A. is the heart of it all.

Hehe, same in NYC. The project's parking lots are filled with SWEET cars.

And my husband and I make a living in the top 8% and don't even own one.

I'm not sure poor people renting nice things is pure materialism as much as it is hopelessness.  When one doesn't believe they have a chance at a successful future, there isn't much incentive to save money.  This goes double for anyone who gets their income from criminal activity. Talk to poor people about smoking and how it is a drain on their wallet and health, and they will often respond with both an acknowledgement that you are correct as well as a presenting their habit as some type of defiance against their lot in life.  Smoking feels good now, and they will be a paycheck or two away from the streets whether they quit or not.

Of course I'm not saying they are right to think this way, as they would all be better off if they made good decisions. You can see this kind of behavior in other ways in other walks of life as well. It isn't restricted to being poor.  People who don't think they will find love not bothering to make themselves more attractive, etc.


No, I understand completely. Interestingly, there were some studies done that says that the wealthier you are, the more likely you are to buy the "store" brand of items rather than the name brand items of food and just regular necessities like shaving gels and soaps.

It's because  the wealthier don't see Doritos or Dove soap as a status marker, so it doesn't matter whether or not you buy the name brand or the store brand. For the poor, these are "affordable" luxuries and are things that set a family making $25k apart from a family making $20k.

That being said, an Escelade ain't an "affordable" luxury no matter how you cut it.

/I just want a car!
 
2013-03-12 01:09:02 PM  
I love gardening and baking. Those two things require a lot of stuff that I wouldn't save in a house fire and a lot more space than a 400 sq ft apartment, but doing them make me happy. If you love reading all day and can get away with an iPad or kindle, good for you. Some hobbies take up more space and require more stuff than others.
 
2013-03-12 01:09:37 PM  

santadog: When I moved from one state to another to start a business, I sold just about everything I owned off.
I've been unencumbered since then.
It's true.. don't let your possessions possess you.


From your profile:

Lives: Austin, Texas in the winter and then Estes Park, Colorado in the summer.
not buying into consumerism

ActivitiesScootering, hiking, camping, exploring, road trips, photography, playing with my cattle dog, kayaking, wandering... 
You sound a lot like the author of the article.  I could be wrong, as maybe you are living in a tent city in your separate winter and summer home locations.  But you sound like someone who is doing fine financially (which most of the nation can't say at this point) while at the same time lecturing about what decisions others make with their money.
 
2013-03-12 01:09:46 PM  
I think it's great that he can live this way, but I also notice that he's not trying to raise a family, which is where a lot of that junk comes from.

Seriously. My 2-year-old has more possessions than I ever thought possible-- and that's with us constantly telling her, "no, you can't have that" at the store.
 
2013-03-12 01:12:56 PM  
"You'll never live like common people.  You'll never do the things that common people do.
You'll never fail like common people.  You'll never watch your life slide out of view
And dance and drink and screw, because there's nothing else to do."
 
2013-03-12 01:15:12 PM  
thomps: RexTalionis: Lumpmoose: A phone isn't supposed to "excite" you or improve your emotional state. You sound farked up in the head in a way that shouldn't be blamed on materialism. See a therapist. Moving from one extreme to the other doesn't make you wise.

My phone improves my emotional state.

yeah but that has more to do with your abuse of the vibration function 1-900 numbers than your reliance on materialism.
 
2013-03-12 01:17:44 PM  
Once and for all, people:

Money DOES NOT buy happiness.

Money IS happiness.
 
2013-03-12 01:18:16 PM  

secularsage: I think it's great that he can live this way, but I also notice that he's not trying to raise a family, which is where a lot of that junk comes from.

Seriously. My 2-year-old has more possessions than I ever thought possible-- and that's with us constantly telling her, "no, you can't have that" at the store.


I don't disagree, but I know a couple of people who live in tiny 2 bed apts, not much bigger than 500sf who do absolutely fine with babies. 99% of "stuff" for a child is because of want, not of need. Another good friend of mine has 2 elementary school kids and they make it at about 800sf - he said that's pretty normal from where he's from in Europe. The fact is, before 1970 or so, the average family lived fine on a house under 1000sf. My own apartment is huge by middle class NYC standards - 1300sf. I don't think I could ever really live in bigger.

That being said, every single one of those couples has at least 1 parent from abroad. Foreigners are generally much more used to smaller spaces and a more minimalist lifestyle. Americans are on consumerist overdrive.
 
2013-03-12 01:18:30 PM  
velina1115: Pocket Ninja: His description of Olga makes me think his life trajectory is actually closer to something like this:

you sound bitter...
*ducks*


No kidding. What's the matter, Pocket Ninja? Do you think they're all money-grubbing whores? No wonder you're such a big name on Fark -- you've got the spare time to devote to it.
 
2013-03-12 01:18:38 PM  
His minimalist life includes an apartment in SoHo, a $4,000 dining room table, and a $8,000+ bed.
 
2013-03-12 01:25:45 PM  
If he wanted to be really smug, he should donate what is in his bank account to charity and go join the peace corps
 
2013-03-12 01:25:48 PM  

WTF Indeed: [i286.photobucket.com image 138x160]  th_tumblr_m6itbnNHwz1rnvlqy.gif


Okay, I give.  Who is that?

/celebrity knowledge challenged
 
2013-03-12 01:28:21 PM  

luidprand: DubyaHater: I respect this man.  Most people are truly unhappy with their material possessions.  We are always trying to acquire the latest gadget and latest technology in a vain attempt to show our friends and colleagues how much money we have.  We end up in a vicious cycle of acquiring more and more meaningless possessions that end up in our attics/basements.  It's a sad life we all lead.

In the past few years, I have rejected cable for the mundane programming it provides.  I also rejected my XBox because video games do not provide positive mental stimulation.  With the loss of my cable and XBox, I discovered my television was no longer useful and I sold that on Craig's List.  Now I can properly stimulate my mind and study the world we live in.  I can sit down at a dinner table and have deep, meaningful discussions about classical music and Renaissance art.

I sold my newer automobiles with all their fancy technology for a 1995 Honda Accord that gets 25mpg.  It has a radio (for NPR) and A/C.  What more do I need?  I can buy a map at a gas station for $3 if I need directions.

Obviously most people could never understand the way I live.  Most people reject a simplistic lifestyle for fear of ridicule by their "friends".  But let me ask you, are they really your friends if they judge you by the life you lead?  Since I switched to a more ideal lifestyle, I have met people who truly accept me.  I have rejected those who live in their materialistic world.  They could never understand the pleasures I now experience.

It seems the problem here (and with King Douchenozzle in the original article) is that y'all never learned how to moderate or be picky. If you it isn't useful or enjoyable (or, preferably, both), don't buy it. It isn't "we" who live in a vicious cycle - it was you. Most people don't live like that - they have family and religion and hobbies and work that fill that void to overflowing. Don't generalize your experience here - not everyone is, has been, or wil ...


While I understand the authors point, and am in that process myself, He is a complete douchbag. My process of realizing I had too much stuff was entirely the result of being a too busy father. Working all the time and only worrying about making enough time to get to the computer to push all the buttons to pay the bills means that my wife and children were essentially in charge of our purchases. 

I cant spread all the blame, I mean I had a gun collection and a couple of toy 4x4's that I imagined I might someday have the time to use to their potential. But I also had my wifes camper, a vacation club membership, my childrens desire to have an all digital household with all the toys....

You just get to a point where the 60 hours you work in a week do not leave enough time for you to visit your wife, children, hobby or to wonder where the camper is parked and if there are racoons living in it. I had 36 rental properties with a total of 120 units to manage, a pool my tenants have access too, 36 basements-fencelines-roofs-public halls to worry about.

Its really just too much. I wasnt using any of the stuff I worked so hard to have. It hit me when we were in the middle of picking out a hot tub to put on the pool deck and I was drafting up a $10,000 gazebo with electric and plumbing and thinking about all the great parties we might have.........That I realized I was never going to have a hot tub party because that would mean being up late and I needed to be on the phone and in the properties by 8 am most mornings.

Set some priorities. Never put yourself at the top of that list. And never let the enjoyment of a thing get in the way of spending time with your wife and kids. Eventually you will realize that your priorities mean you can all drop everything and go use the vacation club without being overwhelmed.

But still, the author is a douchebag.
 
2013-03-12 01:33:20 PM  

Joe Peanut: His minimalist life includes an apartment in SoHo, a $4,000 dining room table, and a $8,000+ bed.


All the stuff he bought the first time was about attracting women.

Now everything he does and buys is about establishing that he is not materialistic and shallow.  He finally realized that just being rich doesn't make you a desirable social contact. He wants the respect that buying things didnt bring him.  It just ,means he spends more money on fewer things.

For me it meant realizing I was only ever going to carry one concealed handgun, so there was little point in owning one of every awesome cool new weapon on the market.
And that there wasnt much point in having the best party house in the neighborhood if I was too busy to ever have a party.
 
2013-03-12 01:33:45 PM  
Long story short: If you have the ability to  choose to live a type of life, it's fine for you to let the rest of us know how that works and make reasoned arguments as to why it might work for someone else.  It's not fine for you to imply that you're better than the rest of us just for making that choice, since some of us don't have the option to make those choices.  Hence, I'm not impressed by the minimalist argument presented by someone with megabucks, because they aren't really trying to argue for minimalism.  They're just wanting admiration for being in a position where they had so much crap that they could give it away and still maintain a decent standard of living. The people who have no choice but to be minimalists might be happy that way, or they might be living life without a safety net.

Likewise, I choose a restricted, plant-based diet, for health reasons.  I don't expect admiration for it, especially considering many people would have neither the means nor the methods to follow it themselves, or may be in a situation in which rich foods and meats aren't something to which they have access anyway.  I understand that because I get to choose whether I buy my food at the farmer's market or at a fancy restaurant, I'm one of the lucky ones.
 
2013-03-12 01:33:53 PM  

DubyaHater: I respect this man.  Most people are truly unhappy with their material possessions.  We are always trying to acquire the latest gadget and latest technology in a vain attempt to show our friends and colleagues how much money we have.  We end up in a vicious cycle of acquiring more and more meaningless possessions that end up in our attics/basements.  It's a sad life we all lead.

In the past few years, I have rejected cable for the mundane programming it provides.  I also rejected my XBox because video games do not provide positive mental stimulation.  With the loss of my cable and XBox, I discovered my television was no longer useful and I sold that on Craig's List.  Now I can properly stimulate my mind and study the world we live in.  I can sit down at a dinner table and have deep, meaningful discussions about classical music and Renaissance art.

I sold my newer automobiles with all their fancy technology for a 1995 Honda Accord that gets 25mpg.  It has a radio (for NPR) and A/C.  What more do I need?  I can buy a map at a gas station for $3 if I need directions.

Obviously most people could never understand the way I live.  Most people reject a simplistic lifestyle for fear of ridicule by their "friends".  But let me ask you, are they really your friends if they judge you by the life you lead?  Since I switched to a more ideal lifestyle, I have met people who truly accept me.  I have rejected those who live in their materialistic world.  They could never understand the pleasures I now experience.


Obvious troll is obvious.

2/10
 
2013-03-12 01:34:44 PM  

Pocket Ninja: His description of Olga makes me think his life trajectory is actually closer to something like this:

1) Guy makes a lot of money, is happy, buys lots of crap he doesn't need.
2) Guy meets girl who's very different from the normal, vapid, airheaded, money-grubbing girls he normally meets. She travels places he's never been, listens to bands he's never heard of, is shockingly open about how much she enjoys sex, and constantly talks about how she doesn't care about money.
3) "Doesn't care about money" actually translates to "doesn't have money," but regardless of that fact she has learned that life can be experienced, gripped by the teeth, so to speak, by befriending people who do have it.
4) Girl who doesn't care about/have money and guy who has money and wants to keep farking girl go on trip together to gritty but safe third world destination. He sees gritty things, like people bathing in rivers. Girl has a copy of "Lonely Planet" that they use to find authentic local restaurants filled with backpack-toting Americans.
5) Guy begins to believe girl's message that money is unimportant, despite the fact that he is paying for everything. He begins to question his previous values. She encourages him, sometimes while out shopping.
6) They return home. Guy announces plans to change his lifestyle, downsize, become less material.
7) Girl dumps him.

The rest is fallout. Anyway, it's just one theory.


This is pretty much it.  He's so self-obsessed he still can't see anything outside of himself, he just sees himself differently now.
 
2013-03-12 01:38:48 PM  

impaler: Full Blown Jimbo: Okay, I stopped twitching long enough to read more carefully. He only ripped off Palahniuk once, and it wasn't a direct quote. Still, he ripped him off and some people who read this crap will think he's SO clever. Ass.

Curious, what was the Chuck Palahniuk quote?


He says in TFA that, "the things I consumed ended up consuming me." Tyler Durden says, "The things you own end up owning you."
 
2013-03-12 01:40:13 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

You buy furniture. You tell yourself, this is the last sofa I will ever need in my life. Buy the sofa, then for a couple years you're satisfied that no matter what goes wrong, at least you've got your sofa issue handled. Then the right set of dishes. Then the perfect bed. The drapes. The rug. Then you're trapped in your lovely nest, and the things you used to own, now they own you.
 
2013-03-12 01:41:28 PM  

wumpus: I have 10 percent of the books I once did.

How could that possibly be a good thing? Most people would get rid of opulent things to make more room for books. Did he just keep the 5 he had actually read?


Maybe he was finished coloring the other 90%
 
2013-03-12 01:42:37 PM  

Full Blown Jimbo: impaler: Full Blown Jimbo: Okay, I stopped twitching long enough to read more carefully. He only ripped off Palahniuk once, and it wasn't a direct quote. Still, he ripped him off and some people who read this crap will think he's SO clever. Ass.

Curious, what was the Chuck Palahniuk quote?

He says in TFA that, "the things I consumed ended up consuming me." Tyler Durden says, "The things you own end up owning you."


Visualize it!

http://steadfastfinances.com/blog/2010/01/12/visualizing-how-the-thi ng s-you-own-end-up-owning-you/
 
2013-03-12 01:44:43 PM  

Two16: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 540x445]

You buy furniture. You tell yourself, this is the last sofa I will ever need in my life. Buy the sofa, then for a couple years you're satisfied that no matter what goes wrong, at least you've got your sofa issue handled. Then the right set of dishes. Then the perfect bed. The drapes. The rug. Then you're trapped in your lovely nest, and the things you used to own, now they own you.


I enjoyed fight club, but anyone who gets owned by furniture that can be packed up and moved to another apartment any time they need a life change is a freaking moron.

Now a house and family on the other hand, that shiat can lock you in :D
 
2013-03-12 01:46:43 PM  
 I don't miss the money. I miss all the stufffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
 
2013-03-12 01:52:19 PM  

BafflerMeal: Full Blown Jimbo: impaler: Full Blown Jimbo: Okay, I stopped twitching long enough to read more carefully. He only ripped off Palahniuk once, and it wasn't a direct quote. Still, he ripped him off and some people who read this crap will think he's SO clever. Ass.

Curious, what was the Chuck Palahniuk quote?

He says in TFA that, "the things I consumed ended up consuming me." Tyler Durden says, "The things you own end up owning you."

Visualize it!

http://steadfastfinances.com/blog/2010/01/12/visualizing-how-the-thi ng s-you-own-end-up-owning-you/


ARRRRGH!
 
2013-03-12 01:58:12 PM  
Thank you two16, that was waaaay too much scrolling to find a Fight Club photo.
 
2013-03-12 01:59:13 PM  

nickerj1: Weigard: I can't wait for this guy's Ted talk.

I've never understood the appeal of Ted talks.  I watched maybe 10 of them before I realized they were self-absorbed know-it-alls who think they need to educate everyone about a niche topic, which they usually only know a modicum about.  No offense Drew, but yours was a prime example.


100 percent chance of nobody anywhere at any time asking YOU to give one, that's for sure.
 
2013-03-12 02:06:40 PM  

planes: [www.mytripjournal.com image 643x480]

Retired, with the kids gone, this is our home, 240 square feet. We love it, you know where all your stuff is, and I wouldn't go back to living in a regular house. Sometimes, I'll wake upnot know where the heck I am, and have to look out the window, or go out and walk around. Great feeling.


I so want to do this in retirement--wife and I have been discussing it on and off for years.  Taxes in upstate NY will do that to ya.
 
2013-03-12 02:07:14 PM  

Karne: nickerj1: Weigard: I can't wait for this guy's Ted talk.

I've never understood the appeal of Ted talks.  I watched maybe 10 of them before I realized they were self-absorbed know-it-alls who think they need to educate everyone about a niche topic, which they usually only know a modicum about.  No offense Drew, but yours was a prime example.

100 percent chance of nobody anywhere at any time asking YOU to give one, that's for sure.


True Fact: My nephew just gave a TED Talk at UNC, about sexism in gamer culture. He did OK.
 
2013-03-12 02:14:43 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: "Money isn't important! Taking a couple of years off to travel around the world with your closest friends is what's important!"


THIS. FFS, yes, you should invest in travel, good food, etc., but you  need the money to do that first, you pompous twit. For the rest of us, you're not giving advice, you're just pointing out that the system is rigged to people like you who lucked into money (or people who were born into it). Fark off.
 
2013-03-12 02:17:48 PM  
This is not a repeat from 563 BC.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-12 02:19:32 PM  
The New York Times: introducing you to a particular kind of asshole you didn't know existed.
 
2013-03-12 02:22:36 PM  
SUMMARY:

 "I used to be a self--absorbed dork with a better--than--you attitude and a lot of useless expensive junk to prove it, but now I am a self--absorbed dork with a better--than--you  attitude, who has learned to be just as much of a self--absorbed dork as ever, but not to spend so much money at it."

That about get it?
 
2013-03-12 02:23:56 PM  
I've been living on 300-800 a month for ten years.  What gives? The only thing that it entitles me to is to laugh at all the 99%ers about how hard their life is.  There's no zen to be found in living off a diet of rice, canned veggies from the dollar store, eggs, and the half off bread rack.

Oh wait what's that? We need to live -smaller-, not -actually- poorer. Because frankly who cares about living in a studio when you can afford to go out to eat, and stock your fridge with actual meat and dairy products?

FAIL tag must be too busy weeping.
 
2013-03-12 02:25:02 PM  
I've met two extremely rich people and they both handle it well. One restores old motorcycles, takes them apart, replaces worn or damaged parts, paints them, then sells them and buys other motorcycles to rebuild.  The other has a college degree and two post graduate degrees and writes long letters to the editors of various newspapers. A good day for him is to see a letter published. Neither has ever earned a paycheck but they stay busy and are happy to share a cold beer any time. This guy in the article needs to find something to take his focus off of himself and get a refrigerator full of cold beer.
 
2013-03-12 02:30:05 PM  

sleeps in trees: God Is My Co-Pirate: Generation_D: Pocket Ninja: His description of Olga makes me think his life trajectory is actually closer to something like this:

1) Guy makes a lot of money, is happy, buys lots of crap he doesn't need.
2) Guy meets girl who's very different from the normal, vapid, airheaded, money-grubbing girls he normally meets. She travels places he's never been, listens to bands he's never heard of, is shockingly open about how much she enjoys sex, and constantly talks about how she doesn't care about money.
3) "Doesn't care about money" actually translates to "doesn't have money," but regardless of that fact she has learned that life can be experienced, gripped by the teeth, so to speak, by befriending people who do have it.
4) Girl who doesn't care about/have money and guy who has money and wants to keep farking girl go on trip together to gritty but safe third world destination. He sees gritty things, like people bathing in rivers. Girl has a copy of "Lonely Planet" that they use to find authentic local restaurants filled with backpack-toting Americans.
5) Guy begins to believe girl's message that money is unimportant, despite the fact that he is paying for everything. He begins to question his previous values. She encourages him, sometimes while out shopping.
6) They return home. Guy announces plans to change his lifestyle, downsize, become less material.
7) Girl dumps him.

The rest is fallout. Anyway, it's just one theory.

And it goes without saying she's the stereotypical MPDG.

Great summary, you should write romantic comedies.

It just needs a snappy, yet wistful, title.

Sweet November.


Julia Roberts could be the male lead.
 
2013-03-12 02:30:10 PM  
Self-centered douchebag hipster came into some money and was too shortsighted to know how to have fun with it. Now he's still spending a lot and still not having fun, and wants to tell us about it.  That's quite the compelling story.

Had he instead discovered cocaine,ecstasy, fine wine, and Porsches, this would've been a more interesting tale. Also much shorter.
 
2013-03-12 02:35:20 PM  
My father used to always say ...

Having money isn't important.
NOT having money is important.

After decades on this planet, I think he was right.  Go explain your minimalist adventure to a family that can't afford to buy food.  It's about being able to choose your path.
 
m00
2013-03-12 02:40:23 PM  

StrangeQ: sigdiamond2000: The one single, common trait of all self-help gurus, minimalist living scolds, life coaches, "professional organizers," or any other fraudster of the multi-billion dollar personal improvement industry is this: They're all rich.

Yep.  They can enjoy having their minimalist lifestyle where they don't have to worry about anything because they are rich enough that they don't have to worry about anything.  They can spout the "I don't have to have a fancy sports car to be happy" bullshiat safe in their knowledge that if they wanted to, they could buy one any time they wanted, in cash.  There is a difference between being denied something by choice and being denied because it is impossible for one to obtain.  The former is a decision that one makes of their own free will, the latter is forced upon them.  Big farking surprise the the members of the former category have magically found a way to be at peace with themselves.


Moderately well-off people who want to drive a sports car, have to buy a sports a car. Wealthy people who want to drive a sports car go rent one for $5000 a day. Moderately well-off people want a lawn so they can have barbecues in the summer, have a place for their kids/pets/whomever to play. Wealthy people can just rent some exclusive rooftop terrace/garden whenever they feel like it.

I agree in the general sense that North America is too materialistic. I don't have a lot of stuff because I have a job that moves me around the world every 2-4 years and it's a pain in the ass to ship anything more than a few suitcases. But obsessing/bragging about how much stuff you don't have is just as bad as obsessing/bragging about how much stuff you do have.
 
2013-03-12 02:42:32 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: Karne: nickerj1: Weigard: I can't wait for this guy's Ted talk.

I've never understood the appeal of Ted talks.  I watched maybe 10 of them before I realized they were self-absorbed know-it-alls who think they need to educate everyone about a niche topic, which they usually only know a modicum about.  No offense Drew, but yours was a prime example.

100 percent chance of nobody anywhere at any time asking YOU to give one, that's for sure.

True Fact: My nephew just gave a TED Talk at UNC, about sexism in gamer culture. He did OK.


Excellent.

Hating on Ted talks is a new one for me. "I can't stand it when top people in their fields share information! It's soooo lame!"
 
2013-03-12 02:48:47 PM  
How precious.  If I had cashed out from an Internet startup, I could do the same thing.  Whatever I needed at the moment I could just go buy, use, and unload.  Ordinary people buy stuff because they are going to need it later when they can't buy stuff.  Let's have an article about ordinary working Joes and how they can live in a 420 sq. ft. house with their wives and kids.  Not gonna happen?  I though so.
 
2013-03-12 02:52:02 PM  
The day I take advice about living with less from a millionaire...
 
2013-03-12 02:53:27 PM  
Author of article is a tard.
 
2013-03-12 02:54:42 PM  

olddinosaur: SUMMARY:

 "I used to be a self--absorbed dork with a better--than--you attitude and a lot of useless expensive junk to prove it, but now I am a self--absorbed dork with a better--than--you  attitude, who has learned to be just as much of a self--absorbed dork as ever, but not to spend so much money at it."

That about get it?


"It turns out that having no responsibilities and travelling around Europe and Southeast Asia with an exotic farkbuddy is more enjoyable than sitting alone in a house with some electronic gadgets.  Who knew?"



encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

I think I'm gonna have a heart attack and die, that's such a surprise.
 
2013-03-12 02:58:34 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: Zen Buddhism basically.  This philosophy is nothing new.  What I think really happened is this guy really liked the movie "Fight Club" and wanted to be Tyler Durden.  His transformation and the release of that movie happened at about the same time.


The Four Noble Truths of Buddhism:

1.- All Life is Suffering.

2.- The origin of Suffering is that we Want things.

3.- In order to Stop Suffering, we must stop Wanting things.

4.- In order to Stop Wanting, we must follow the Eightfold Path.
 
2013-03-12 03:02:47 PM  
Although I think consumerism is out of control in America today, I don't think I have seen such a large a$$h@le since my brother showed me that picture of a prolapsed anus.
 
2013-03-12 03:10:26 PM  

Salmon: Bet he has a tiny come sock hidden in that Murphy bed


...that he calls "Olga."
 
2013-03-12 03:10:32 PM  
i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-12 03:22:06 PM  

Pocket Ninja: His description of Olga makes me think his life trajectory is actually closer to something like this:

6) They return home. Guy announces plans to change his lifestyle, downsize, become less material.
7) Girl dumps him.

The rest is fallout. Anyway, it's just one theory.


pederhanson.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-12 03:24:58 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: An old song, just a different tenor.

[www.superawesomewow.com image 200x200]
'You can't own things, man.'


 I can, but that's because I'm not a penniless hippie.

/Farnsworth
 
2013-03-12 03:29:59 PM  
With a name like "Graham Hill," I doubt he's ever seen the inside of a public school (unless it were the English kind).So, I take it he's given all of his money away?
 
2013-03-12 03:36:51 PM  
I agree that consumption for its own sake is unfulfilling.  However, this guy is getting overloaded by purchasing and "managing" basic housewares?  And you created a successful company how?!
 
2013-03-12 03:41:57 PM  
I'm glad he's happy, but he should STFU about why he is happy in his judgemental, preachy way it because no one cares.
 
2013-03-12 03:50:45 PM  
Back when I was 16 years old, a house fire broke out in my bedroom and gutted the place. It destroyed damn near everything I owned at the time and I was lucky not to have been burned to death when it happened. For days afterward, I had this disorienting sense that my life, up to that point, had been erased. Then I came to my senses and got over it. I'd survived. Nobody in my family had been hurt. We didn't even lose any of our house pets due to smoke inhalation.

So yeah, your stuff is just that. It's not your life. There are more important things in the world. I started to read this guy's article last weekend and put it down after two or three paragraphs because it quickly became obvious that he's a self-important douchebag. My best friend from college is a minimalist. He lives quite simply but he also doesn't make a big deal out of it, and it would never occur to him to lecture anyone else on how to live.

Humility. That author needs some.
 
2013-03-12 03:54:27 PM  

NHL88: "I hate those people who love to tell you/
money is the root of all that kills/
They have never been poor/
They have never had the joy of a welfare Christmas"

- Everclear

/1st album I ever bought with my own money
//Super true


Awesome. Have an internet high five. That was the first piece of music I bought with my own money too.
 
2013-03-12 03:58:13 PM  
I wish to spend some of my accumulated wealth to have a chance to punch him in the face.
 
2013-03-12 04:23:46 PM  

CrankMyBlueSax: 6-disc changer, pfft you guys are amateurs. I had a 200 disc changer. I think it is on a shelf in one of my houses somewhere.


Amateur. I had two. They linked together and alternated in random play between them.

Gave them to a friend and went digital. Now with 500G of tunes and I broadcast the best of them as a radiostation.
 
2013-03-12 04:24:32 PM  

NHL88: - Everclear

/1st album I ever bought with my own money
//Super true


lenabena: Awesome. Have an internet high five. That was the first piece of music I bought with my own money too.


Was it a single called, "The One-Hit Wonder Father of Mine Makes Me Feel Like a Santa Monica Whore?" The one where he cried about his daddy, and he mentions, only briefly, that he used to do heroin?

Yeah, great song.


/hated their music, hope he's having welfare Christmases, re-gifting the same thing over and over, like he did his songs
 
2013-03-12 04:25:18 PM  
Hero tag? How is he a hero?
 
2013-03-12 04:25:58 PM  
There's nothing Buddhist about this guy. He just replaced material possessions with self-importance. The point of Buddhism isn't to sell your stuff and be poor, it's to cut down on the use of first-person pronouns and to reign in your ego.
 
2013-03-12 04:28:09 PM  
Points to subby. Nice trollin' with the "Hero" tag.
 
2013-03-12 04:41:42 PM  
CSB:

This one time, I couldn't sleep.

See, I had an ingrown toenail that I had (super-minor) surgery on to get fixed, and it still hurt and was bleeding.  A med student actually did the operation, since the student health clinic was free, and did not do a great job.  Of course, the surgery was three weeks prior, but because I hadn't had solid food in at least that long, the cuts weren't healing.  I had a lot of bloody socks though.  Also, I couldn't sleep. In part it was because I was shaking a lot, and in part because my stomach was upset even though there wasn't anything in there but water.  Not a lot, since I was down 31 lbs in around 25 days.

I didn't have much, certainly no money or food, but was I happy with my minimalist lifestyle?  No, not really.  Even when I had the bare minimum required, I had to stress out about maintaining that.  I had to work a few jobs to make money the room, and while I appreciated the few things I did have, I was miles adrift in a sea of misery.  I had next-to-nothing, and I was broke.

Nowadays, I come home to a house, I can grab a snack from my pantry, or a beer from the beer fridge in the garage (I brew my own), and I have a nice couch - 2 in fact -  I can throw myself onto like I did with beds when I was a kid.  I can grab a game controller, or pick one of the dvd's I've got, or even just watch cable tv.  Somewhere I've got a nice internal frame backpack and a tent, and if it's the weekend, I might go camping.  Maybe snorkeling? I've got the gear...  I've also got a computer, and a laptop, AND a touchpad, and a bunch of electronic toys besides.  I've got a good collection of G1 transformers all displayed around my soldering iron and various digital meters.  I've got a bookshelf absolutely packed with new and old sci fi, fantasy, and classics.  I've even got a motorcycle and a truck and 2 dogs and some cats and a python.  Last and not least by a long shot, I'm married - and that's quite the responsibility and expense to maintain.

You know what?  All these things make me happy.  Sure, I have to pay off my house still, and yeah, I've got to mow the lawn or deal with a broken fence on occasion, I still have to pay for insurance and gas, and heck, I spent last night doing toilet repair, but it's still all worth it.  I have so much to entertain me, so many hobbies to explore, so much to do, at the reasonable cost of a brace of hours a day of work or upkeep for the things that help make me happy.

Getting rid of things in order to get rid of real-or-perceived responsibility isn't some sort of panacea that will fix your problems.  It's just a way to lower your standards until anything you do have is relatively so much better than the entire rest of your life.  Realize it for what it is; Remember the last time you had a fever or flu?  How awful it felt?  You just wanted to stop feeling puky? Remember how special and magical it felt when the fever broke?  How you felt light, and hungry, and a bit tired, but energized nonetheless, and all it was was that you felt normal again?  You lowered your standards to the point where 'normal' is special, felt happy when you achieved it, and there's nothing wrong with that.
 However, just because your normal is a house full of nice stuff and every entertainment avenue is open to you, you don't have to give everything away and restrict all your choices - effectively, get sick - just so you can rank what's left as relatively greater.  It shows you as being so shallow as to be incapable of appreciating a thing for what it is, rather than how it compares to the rest of your stuff.  It's not a problem with your stuff, it's a problem with YOU.  Getting rid of stuff doesn't fix the problem, it just hides it.  It doesn't make you better, you haven't changed at all.


The article's author is rich, and can have anything, even if he doesn't possess it right now.  That's a bit different than having nothing, not being able to get the things you want, not even being able to sleep, and thinking that by accepting that, you'll be happy.

So when I jump on my couch a cat may choose to use me as furniture, and the dog will start thumping it's tail on the floor every time I move to idly coast through one of 3 zillion channels on the flatscreen tv, I'll occasionally grin, because I'll think to myself, "I could go to sleep if I wanted," and be happy.
 
2013-03-12 04:45:18 PM  
Here's his apartment that cost probably 10 times more than my house just to make it so minimalist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYV0qATsyts
 
2013-03-12 04:52:02 PM  

Smackledorfer: That travelling the world with no real concern of future needs is superior to be tied down to one location while working most of your waking hours in the hopes that you don't end up bankrupt sometime in the future when you may have kids you need to raise?

Yea, I agree with that.


Well,  that would be nice, but no. I was talking about the idea that many of us are consumed with acquiring crap that doesn't really make us happy.
 
2013-03-12 05:03:10 PM  
...and, in a frenzy of consumption, bought a brand-new sectional couch ..

Seriously?  Seriously?  ROFLMAO
 
2013-03-12 05:09:41 PM  
Asshole becomes rich.

Asshole stays unhappy.

Asshole spends 15 years getting rid of his shiat.

Asshole still is an asshole.
 
2013-03-12 05:38:03 PM  
Ever notice how it's always some guy who got rich and is STILL rich doing this? I see it all the time, guys who made millions a year for years but then are burned out and become teachers or something.

Teachers who still have a couple million in the bank.
 
2013-03-12 05:40:19 PM  

Lollipop165: Another good friend of mine has 2 elementary school kids and they make it at about 800sf - he said that's pretty normal from where he's from in Europe. The fact is, before 1970 or so, the average family lived fine on a house under 1000sf. My own apartment is huge by middle class NYC standards - 1300sf.


There's your problem.

In Europe and NYC especially, space is expensive.

In much of the US, space is cheap.
 
2013-03-12 05:43:42 PM  

Karne: Hating on Ted talks is a new one for me. "I can't stand it when top people in their fields share information! It's soooo lame!"


Top people in their fields share information at academic conferences. TED talks are just marketing.
 
2013-03-12 05:50:30 PM  

Smackledorfer: santadog: When I moved from one state to another to start a business, I sold just about everything I owned off.
I've been unencumbered since then.
It's true.. don't let your possessions possess you.

From your profile:

Lives: Austin, Texas in the winter and then Estes Park, Colorado in the summer.
not buying into consumerism

ActivitiesScootering, hiking, camping, exploring, road trips, photography, playing with my cattle dog, kayaking, wandering... 
You sound a lot like the author of the article.  I could be wrong, as maybe you are living in a tent city in your separate winter and summer home locations.  But you sound like someone who is doing fine financially (which most of the nation can't say at this point) while at the same time lecturing about what decisions others make with their money.


I wish I were.  I haven't made over poverty for income in over 7 years because of the business.  In Austin in the winter, which I haven't done since 2010, I'd work a min wage PT Job just to get me thru winter.  It doesn't take much money to "do all that" if you know what to do.  Travel lite, don't own much, and all your money can do something else.  I don't have kids.  Just me and the dog. 1bdrm cabin in the remote woods.  $400 per month.
Hiking is free.  Camping is free.  Road trips are cheap. Exploring is free.  Dog = cost of food.
Note it doesn't say "Cruises to Europe, staying in hotels, fine dinning".
I've been to every state except Hawaii, and the Dakotas.  I've been to Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.. and at 45, I have never made over $40k a year, and only did that for a couple years.
It's all about what you want to do.
Me, it's about my dog, my trips, and my camera.

I wish I had that guys money to move around on.  I'd go overseas on that scratch.
 
2013-03-12 06:03:42 PM  
If he's so non-materialistic now, any chance he could give me that house in Seattle? Considering that people like him helped make it impossible to buy a house here if you aren't a startup millionaire ...
 
2013-03-12 06:04:16 PM  
Sounds like he found his bliss. Congratulations guy who has a windfall from a tech start up company.

/DIAF
 
2013-03-12 06:09:52 PM  
He divested the "inessential" but kept this farking vest?   graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2013-03-12 06:12:12 PM  
I'm about to become homeless by May 2013 (less than 2 months from now) and I'm not a guy who spends money like I have an infinite supply of it. I'm very thrifty and choose the cheapest brands that does the same thing to an acceptable level.

I could definitely use this story's guy's luck. Ever since I was a kid I knew that even if I became very rich I wouldn't be spending it for the sake of spending, yet look what has happened to me. I'm going to lose everything. The apartment I rent, the piano I play, the computer I work on. Life sucks for me and I don't have anybody to help me get out of this mess.

Maybe if there's some magical life essence out there that provides people with good fortune, now is the time for me to get a taste of a little goodness. Back to job hunting and working I go.
 
2013-03-12 06:15:34 PM  
So he's one of those guys who broods in his seat while everyone else is talking about the latest episode of [insert popular television show here] and when asked for his thoughts, reminds everyone condescendingly that he doesn't even OWN a tee-vee.

Who gives a shiat?
 
2013-03-12 06:40:37 PM  
Why did this overprivileged douche get a Hero tag? He probably still has more than bigmadeupnumber of people living in the US today. He'd really get respect if he gave everything away to people that actually would need it. Maybe charities. Yeah, or maybe poor people. So, frak off, Douchey Dickhead, you're nothing special(unless it ends with Ed).
 
2013-03-12 07:33:18 PM  
"I remember when I was a very little girl, our house caught on fire.
I'll never forget the look on my father's face as he gathered me up
in his arms and raced through the burning building out to the pavement.
I stood there shivering in my pajamas and watched the whole world go up in flames.
And when it was all over I said to myself, "Is that all there is to a fire?"

Is that all there is, is that all there is
If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all there is"

- "Is That All There Is", sung by Bette Midler
 
2013-03-12 08:04:08 PM  

GreenSun: I'm about to become homeless by May 2013....Maybe if there's some magical life essence out there that provides people with good fortune, now is the time for me to get a taste of a little goodness.


I got five on it. How much is your rent?
 
2013-03-12 08:07:54 PM  

planes: [www.mytripjournal.com image 643x480]

.... Sometimes, I'll wake upnot know where the heck I am, and have to look out the window, or go out and walk around...


Profile says you're in Minneapolis.  Stay inside tomorrow.
 
2013-03-12 08:45:43 PM  
Hell, I did this whole minimalism thing last year.  It's called unemployment.

Cue Sam Kinison scream... uhhhhh ahhhhhhhhhh!
 
2013-03-13 01:52:33 AM  

JungleBoogie: "I remember when I was a very little girl, our house caught on fire.
I'll never forget the look on my father's face as he gathered me up
in his arms and raced through the burning building out to the pavement.
I stood there shivering in my pajamas and watched the whole world go up in flames.
And when it was all over I said to myself, "Is that all there is to a fire?"

Is that all there is, is that all there is
If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all there is"

- "Is That All There Is", sung by Bette Midler


i1.kym-cdn.com
 
drp
2013-03-13 05:19:24 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: Both you and this author seem to think your lifestyle is superior to everyone else's, this just makes you and him tools. Besides nobody cares, nobody really gives a shiat if you want to pretend it is the 1950's, because this makes you feel superior. We don't care, other then to point out you sound like a douche bag when you talk about your "superior" life style.


What's the quote ... (paraphrased)

I spent my teenage years worrying about what other people thought of me,
I spent my working years telling myself I didn't care what other people thought of me,
And now that I'm old I realize they were never thinking about me at all.
 
2013-03-13 06:05:37 AM  
Yep, he's a pompous douchebag
I wonder if that's why they closed the comments section
 
2013-03-13 08:03:09 AM  
Sheryl Crow sung that it's not about having what you want, it's wanting what you have.

img2.timeinc.net
 
2013-03-13 09:01:15 AM  

timmypedersen: GreenSun: I'm about to become homeless by May 2013....Maybe if there's some magical life essence out there that provides people with good fortune, now is the time for me to get a taste of a little goodness.

I got five on it. How much is your rent?


Thank you very much for the kind thought, but it's $1,000 a month since there were three of us living here (but the two of them are leaving in 2 month's time) so the pay was shared. It's time to find a cheaper apartment and a new job. I was working on a pc game project before all of this happened but since the situation has changed, I also have to adapt. After trying to look around the net for other possible solutions, I found out about 3D printing companies like Shapeways. I also found out that I can turn my 3D models into physical figures and sell them through their website.

Anyway, here's my first product there, I hope somebody likes it :)

http://www.shapeways.com/model/972280/0001-dragon-of-desire.html?li= pr oductBox-search

This is my main shop's page:

http://www.shapeways.com/shops/dragonsdesire

Thanks again for your show of concern for a stranger on the net!
 
2013-03-13 02:23:22 PM  
withfriendship.com

Amature.
 
2013-03-13 02:40:09 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: Here's his apartment that cost probably 10 times more than my house just to make it so minimalist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYV0qATsyts



"We believe we can do this at scale at a reasonable cost."

The cost of contractors alone would exceed the cost of a reasonably sized house. Which would have a full bath and decent-sized kitchen.
On the other hand, a used pop-up trailer could offer the same amenities for much, much less.
 
2013-03-13 04:10:14 PM  
GreenSun:
Thanks again for your show of concern for a stranger on the net!

That's a pretty cool site, good luck brother from another vagina!
 
2013-03-13 10:43:41 PM  
I'm so farking rich! I used to waste my money on stuff, but nobody cared. Then I figured out that I can afford the one thing I can rub everyone's nose in. SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS!!

/Only the rich can afford asceticism.
 
2013-03-16 12:47:43 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Sheryl Crow sung that it's not about having what you want, it's wanting what you have.

[img2.timeinc.net image 180x135]


Except she wanted what other people had. And stole it.
 
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