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(CBS New York)   Defense attorney asks judge if they can keep Jews off of the jury in Brooklyn trial   (newyork.cbslocal.com) divider line 39
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2013-03-12 07:26:49 AM  
He's trying to do right by his client.  Good for him, I guess.
 
2013-03-12 07:29:02 AM  
I don't find it to be an outrageous request, given who he is. It won't be granted of course.
 
2013-03-12 07:30:17 AM  
Facially inflammatory, substantively reasonable request.
 
2013-03-12 07:30:43 AM  
That's like asking for no Chinese jurors in a trial in Beijing.
 
2013-03-12 07:37:10 AM  
He needs a change of venue to a pro-terrorist location. I don't think any new yorker will be able to put aside their prejudices against terrorists after 9/11
 
2013-03-12 07:38:10 AM  

Rufus Lee King: FTA: "For the record, Cohn is Jewish."

Gevalt! I never would have guessed.


The chutzpah...
 
2013-03-12 07:40:00 AM  
By that reasoning blacks should never be on the juries for White Supremacists accused of hate crimes and women should never be on the juries of rape trials.
 
2013-03-12 07:42:18 AM  
FTA:  For the record, Cohn is Jewish

Welp, wouldn't be the first to betray his own kind.

"Given that there's going to be inflammatory testimony about Jews and Zionism, I think it would be hard for Jews to cast aside any innate antipathy," Cohn said.

Huh? Aren't you Jewish? Defending a  Muslim?
 
2013-03-12 07:46:44 AM  

desolation15: FTA:  For the record, Cohn is Jewish

Welp, wouldn't be the first to betray his own kind.

"Given that there's going to be inflammatory testimony about Jews and Zionism, I think it would be hard for Jews to cast aside any innate antipathy," Cohn said.

Huh? Aren't you Jewish? Defending a  Muslim?


Anything for money, those jews are crafty like that
 
2013-03-12 07:50:47 AM  
This is no different from and no less stupid than Republicans arguing that the judge in the Prop 8 case should have recused himself because he is gay.
 
2013-03-12 07:51:22 AM  

desolation15: FTA:  For the record, Cohn is Jewish

Welp, wouldn't be the first to betray his own kind.

"Given that there's going to be inflammatory testimony about Jews and Zionism, I think it would be hard for Jews to cast aside any innate antipathy," Cohn said.

Huh? Aren't you Jewish? Defending a  Muslim?


A friend of mine is a defense attorney, specializing in capital crimes.  He says it's not always about acquitting the defendant.  It's about making sure he gets the best trial he possibly can, so there's no chance of a successful appeal.  Stacking a Muslim terrorist jury with Jews might help get a conviction, but that shiat's gonna get appealed forever.  $$$$.
 
2013-03-12 07:51:34 AM  
I was going to say before I finished reading the article that Cohn is a Jewish name itself...  I can see his point but it's not going to happen because as someone said:

JasonOfOrillia: By that reasoning blacks should never be on the juries for White Supremacists accused of hate crimes and women should never be on the juries of rape trials.

 
2013-03-12 07:54:36 AM  

desolation15: FTA:  For the record, Cohn is Jewish

Welp, wouldn't be the first to betray his own kind.

"Given that there's going to be inflammatory testimony about Jews and Zionism, I think it would be hard for Jews to cast aside any innate antipathy," Cohn said.

Huh? Aren't you Jewish? Defending a  Muslim?


I hear lawyers even defend criminals, like ALL the time. It's crazy!
 
2013-03-12 08:03:09 AM  
Jews are a race?
 
2013-03-12 08:04:07 AM  

potterydove: He's trying to do right by his client. Good for him, I guess.


Are you saying I can't be impartial because I'm Jewish??? Seriously? You know we all don't just hate Muslims because of their religion. We also don't have horns under our hats. And some of us have been known to nosh on a bacon cheeseburger on Yon Kippur from time to time.

By the way, Jews tend to be more liberal so he is probably doing a dis-service getting our "leftist" asses off his jury.
 
2013-03-12 08:08:03 AM  
From my Internet GED in Law I understand that if your defense doesn't object to something at the time it happens it is very hard to make it part of an appeal later on. I doubt the defense lawyer actually expects the judge to exclude an entire ethnic group from the jury but is instead setting up a possible avenue of appeal if his client is found guilty.

/IANAL
 
2013-03-12 08:14:07 AM  
Meh, happens all the time.  You want a jury more favorable to your side, and sometimes that means trying to tweak the demographics.  Classic lawyering maneuvers.
 
2013-03-12 08:41:28 AM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: From my Internet GED in Law I understand that if your defense doesn't object to something at the time it happens it is very hard to make it part of an appeal later on.


Yup. Two fundamental rules: (1) if you don't ask for it, you can't get it, and (2) if you don't contemporaneously object, you can't complaint about it later.
 
2013-03-12 08:47:19 AM  

Rufus Lee King: "Even a werewolf deserves legal counsel."--Oscar Acosta


As your attorney I advise you to take a hit from the little brown bottle on the dresser.
 
2013-03-12 09:00:44 AM  
Sounds reasonable.
 
2013-03-12 09:11:15 AM  

vudukungfu: Jews are a race?


Jews are their own race, because NASCAR excludes them.
 
2013-03-12 09:16:00 AM  
HEADLINE:

NYC Attorney Asks Judge To Ban Jews From Accused Terrorist's Jury

STORY:

"Inside Brooklyn Federal Court, attorney Frederick Cohn told Judge Eric Vitaliano, 'I'm not wild about having Jews on the jury in this case,' "

I love creative "journalism".
 
2013-03-12 09:24:11 AM  

kronicfeld: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: From my Internet GED in Law I understand that if your defense doesn't object to something at the time it happens it is very hard to make it part of an appeal later on.

Yup. Two fundamental rules: (1) if you don't ask for it, you can't get it, and (2) if you don't contemporaneously object, you can't complaint about it later.


Except you cannot do it like this.

The proper way to object - if he's claiming that being Jewish will preclude the juror from being able to fairly hear the trial - would be to ask the court to strike them For Cause during the actual voir dire.  By doing it informally like this, i.e. ahead of actual selection, it generally won't be preserved.

Moreover, it's inconceivable that any court is going to find that being a member of any protected group can even possibly be an automatic disqualification.  Far from it, the Brady case stands for the principle that dismissing jurors purely because of their status as a member of a protected group is unconstitutional.
 
2013-03-12 09:40:41 AM  

vudukungfu: Jews are a race?



You know who else thought Jews were a race?
 
2013-03-12 09:55:38 AM  
I see what Jew did there.
 
2013-03-12 10:10:59 AM  
It's New York! Maybe they don't trust anyone who can't eat pizza because of the vast Italian-American conspiracy.

/Jewish people can't eat pizza, can they(meat & dairy)
//not Jewish, but have a rare allergy to pork products.
 
2013-03-12 10:39:43 AM  
A lawyer can make a number of challenges without cause.
He can ask for a juror to be excluded with cause.
He can't categorically demand that all members of a religion, ethnic group or gender be excluded.
I'm guessing he's already working on the appeal. "My client couldn't get a fair trial because the jury was prejudiced against him." or maybe "My client didn't get a fair trial because counsel was incompetent"
 
2013-03-12 10:41:18 AM  
I wonder if he'll demand that all Shi'ite Muslims be tossed out of the jury pool.
After all, the Taliban kill more of them than they do Westerners.
 
2013-03-12 10:53:17 AM  
I was a criminal defense lawyer.  Any such worth their salt knows you can't do that.

Take my word for it, this defense lawyer is either:
a) dangerously incompentent
b) grandstanding, with a dose of a)
 
2013-03-12 10:53:31 AM  
Why kick them off? I'm sure they can be had for a price, anyway.
 
2013-03-12 10:56:17 AM  

MadSkillz: It's New York! Maybe they don't trust anyone who can't eat pizza because of the vast Italian-American conspiracy.

/Jewish people can't eat pizza, can they(meat & dairy)
//not Jewish, but have a rare allergy to pork products.


Its possible to not order the meat-lovers pizza. As long as the sauce is a marinara or such, pizza is no problem. A lot of places even sell kosher slices.
 
2013-03-12 11:20:04 AM  

LemSkroob: MadSkillz: It's New York! Maybe they don't trust anyone who can't eat pizza because of the vast Italian-American conspiracy.

/Jewish people can't eat pizza, can they(meat & dairy)
//not Jewish, but have a rare allergy to pork products.

Its possible to not order the meat-lovers pizza. As long as the sauce is a marinara or such, pizza is no problem. A lot of places even sell kosher slices.


But vegetarian pizza is terrible. It's like a tease.
 
2013-03-12 11:49:38 AM  

MadSkillz: It's New York! Maybe they don't trust anyone who can't eat pizza because of the vast Italian-American conspiracy.

/Jewish people can't eat pizza, can they(meat & dairy)
//not Jewish, but have a rare allergy to pork products.


Hey, I've got an idea.  Let's try making a pizza without any meat on it!
 
2013-03-12 12:22:12 PM  

Paris1127: Rufus Lee King: FTA: "For the record, Cohn is Jewish."

Gevalt! I never would have guessed.

The chutzpah...


The judge should say "Let's start with the defence team. Gevalt, Fredchik. Tell you what, I got a cousin knows a nice Baptist lawyer in Texas, specialises in defending black guys in capital murder cases. His record's 0 for 4, but hey, he's due for a win anytime now."
 
2013-03-12 01:31:38 PM  

MadSkillz: LemSkroob: MadSkillz: It's New York! Maybe they don't trust anyone who can't eat pizza because of the vast Italian-American conspiracy.

/Jewish people can't eat pizza, can they(meat & dairy)
//not Jewish, but have a rare allergy to pork products.

Its possible to not order the meat-lovers pizza. As long as the sauce is a marinara or such, pizza is no problem. A lot of places even sell kosher slices.

But vegetarian pizza is terrible. It's like a tease.


Depends on your perspective. If you're American, then it's not a real pizza unless it's topped with 8lbs of cheese, another 8lbs of sausage, bacon, ham, pepperoni, and fried chicken, and with a crust stuffed with more cheese and another entire pizza. Maybe deep fried if you're at a state fair.

Nothing wrong with a nice pizza Margherita. As long as your sense of taste hasn't been addled with years of bacon-wrapped-cheese-soaked-donkey-sauce-infused drek, it's quite tasty.
 
2013-03-12 01:51:25 PM  

The Muthaship: Facially inflammatory, substantively reasonable request.


And we're done. Justification is reasonable - eliminate bias, conscious or otherwise, in a jury about to try a Muslim who allegedly lied in connection with a terrorism offense. No racial motivation here, just an attorney doing his job.
 
2013-03-12 01:52:36 PM  

foo monkey: desolation15: FTA:  For the record, Cohn is Jewish

Welp, wouldn't be the first to betray his own kind.

"Given that there's going to be inflammatory testimony about Jews and Zionism, I think it would be hard for Jews to cast aside any innate antipathy," Cohn said.

Huh? Aren't you Jewish? Defending a  Muslim?

A friend of mine is a defense attorney, specializing in capital crimes.  He says it's not always about acquitting the defendant.  It's about making sure he gets the best trial he possibly can, so there's no chance of a successful appeal.  Stacking a Muslim terrorist jury with Jews might help get a conviction, but that shiat's gonna get appealed forever.  $$$$.


And, this.
 
2013-03-12 05:55:17 PM  
OK, we'll take the Jews and the Italians.  But...
www.ladyofthecake.com
 
2013-03-13 02:11:13 AM  
see if you can keep them out of Hollywood movie-making, while you're at it-

nyuck nyuck nyuck
 
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