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2013-03-12 01:03:35 AM
Ima gonna be buried with a cellphone just in case there has been some mistake made.
 
2013-03-12 01:58:19 AM
FTFA: To fix this problem, Griffin has introduced a bill to Congress that would scale back the cell phone program by providing only landline services to low-income citizens.

Will it be cheaper to provide landlines to dead people? What would the installation charges be?

Rep. Tim Griffin: Where do we draw the line? Do we give everybody an iPad next? A computer? Is that the role the federal government should be playing?

I guess that would depend on whether or not they are needed to contact emergency services, help with job searches, and keep in contact with family.
 
2013-03-12 07:16:34 AM
Ah, cell phones, Obama's answer to gubmint cheese.

Up next, reparations.
 
2013-03-12 07:59:06 AM

Philbb: FTFA: To fix this problem, Griffin has introduced a bill to Congress that would scale back the cell phone program by providing only landline services to low-income citizens.

Will it be cheaper to provide landlines to dead people? What would the installation charges be?

Rep. Tim Griffin: Where do we draw the line? Do we give everybody an iPad next? A computer? Is that the role the federal government should be playing?

I guess that would depend on whether or not they are needed to contact emergency services, help with job searches, and keep in contact with family.


Hey, Rep. Griffin, can we talk about reforming the Pentagon's procurement process, which wastes billions of dollars every year, and has a negative effect on the quality of arms and equipment produced for United States soldiers to the benefit of congressional representatives?  Hello?  Is this thing on?

/I guess you're right, Rep. Griffin.  Poor people with phones IS the biggest problem with the federal budget.  Well, next to PBS.
 
2013-03-12 08:27:11 AM
That's what a Republican congressman says. What's obvious is that companies are sending out the phones and then billing the government. This would be fraud. But Republican congressmen don't see companies taking advantage -they see big gubbamint'.
 
2013-03-12 08:28:12 AM

Philbb: FTFA: To fix this problem, Griffin has introduced a bill to Congress that would scale back the cell phone program by providing only landline services to low-income citizens.

Will it be cheaper to provide landlines to dead people? What would the installation charges be?



If the stories I've heard are to be believed, you can just drop a phone line across their grave.
 
2013-03-12 08:36:26 AM
How bout we only give free Obamaphones to LIVE worthless non working people.
 
2013-03-12 08:38:14 AM
FARTBAMA CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF OBAMAPHONES ALL BY HIS SOCIALIST SELF, THE IDEA NEVER EVER EXISTED BEFORE HE BECAME (P)RESIDENT, AND ANYONE WHO SAYS BUSH OR REAGAN DID IT IS A LYING LIAR WHO LIES AND LIKES TO KISS HIS OWN BUTT

/geez, this is tiring
 
2013-03-12 08:39:10 AM
Just remember stories like this the next time you see a Fark headline like these:  You all laughed, said it wasn't gonna have any effect, gonna have any sort of impact on normals. Well you were wrong, because those of us outside of D.C. are starting to feel this sequestration thing

And just remember that instead of cutting the 'Cell phones for dead people' program, programs that are impacting alive people are being cut.
 
2013-03-12 08:41:07 AM

computerguyUT: How bout we only give free Obamaphones to LIVE worthless non working people.


Why aren't they called Reagan phones? Didn't he start the program with the technology of that day, landlines.
 
2013-03-12 08:43:22 AM
The Freeper modmin must be online again. Goodie.
 
2013-03-12 08:44:40 AM
 
2013-03-12 08:44:48 AM

p the boiler: computerguyUT: How bout we only give free Obamaphones to LIVE worthless non working people.

Why aren't they called Reagan phones? Didn't he start the program with the technology of that day, landlines.


And why was it welfare cheese instead of Reagan cheese? That nuclear orange shiat tainted every school lunch I had for years.
 
2013-03-12 08:45:26 AM

BillCo: Ah, cell phones, Obama's answer to gubmint cheese.

Up next, reparations.


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2013-03-12 08:46:31 AM

BillCo: Ah, cell phones, Obama's answer to gubmint cheese.

Up next, reparations.


Please post more bill, I'm working on your collage.
 
2013-03-12 08:47:43 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: That's what a Republican congressman says. What's obvious is that companies are sending out the phones and then billing the government. This would be fraud. But Republican congressmen don't see companies taking advantage -they see big gubbamint'.


And how would the companies in question have any idea who to send a phone out to?

Someone Has to make the request. It's more likely people making random requests to prove how important the program is so they can keep/expand it.
 
2013-03-12 08:48:21 AM
Of course, properly funding the government to the point where the database could be kept up to date and cull out these errors is a little too complex rather than just scrapping the whole program and giving the profits to rich people as tax cuts, right?
 
2013-03-12 08:50:29 AM
If you derpsters want poor people to work, you'll need to accept that cell phones are a necessity, not a luxury. Not only must a person be reachable, many employers actually want employees who can use a smart phone. My husband's job interview included the question "do you have a smart phone?" If he'd said no, he would not have gotten the job.
 
2013-03-12 08:52:58 AM
I didn't realize telemarketers were calling from taxpayer-funded cellphones...
 
2013-03-12 08:54:22 AM

Philbb: FTFA: To fix this problem, Griffin has introduced a bill to Congress that would scale back the cell phone program by providing only landline services to low-income citizens.

Will it be cheaper to provide landlines to dead people? What would the installation charges be?

Rep. Tim Griffin: Where do we draw the line? Do we give everybody an iPad next? A computer? Is that the role the federal government should be playing?

I guess that would depend on whether or not they are needed to contact emergency services, help with job searches, and keep in contact with family.


I have been said to lean slightly to the right. I never had a problem with the cell phone program. It sounds crazy at first but when you think about it the whole thing makes sense. I get sick of trying to explain that its no longer 1985 and the cell phone is not a luxury item anymore.
 
2013-03-12 08:56:13 AM

BillCo: Ah, cell phones, Obama's answer to gubmint cheese.

Up next, reparations.


I don't agree with Obama, but if you are seriously making that leap then yor wiring seems to be broken.
 
2013-03-12 08:56:56 AM

Raharu: BillCo: Ah, cell phones, Obama's answer to gubmint cheese.

Up next, reparations.

Please post more bill, I'm working on your collage.


You sound tired.
 
2013-03-12 08:58:34 AM

sethen320: I get sick of trying to explain that its no longer 1985 and the cell phone is not a luxury item anymore.


I hear tell some a them poors actually has FRIDDIDGE-RATORS!  Damn that Fartbama!
 
2013-03-12 09:02:47 AM

born_yesterday: Philbb: FTFA: To fix this problem, Griffin has introduced a bill to Congress that would scale back the cell phone program by providing only landline services to low-income citizens.

Will it be cheaper to provide landlines to dead people? What would the installation charges be?

Rep. Tim Griffin: Where do we draw the line? Do we give everybody an iPad next? A computer? Is that the role the federal government should be playing?

I guess that would depend on whether or not they are needed to contact emergency services, help with job searches, and keep in contact with family.

Hey, Rep. Griffin, can we talk about reforming the Pentagon's procurement process, which wastes billions of dollars every year, and has a negative effect on the quality of arms and equipment produced for United States soldiers to the benefit of congressional representatives?  Hello?  Is this thing on?

/I guess you're right, Rep. Griffin.  Poor people with phones IS the biggest problem with the federal budget.  Well, next to PBS.


Your straw man looks stunning today.
 
2013-03-12 09:05:03 AM

BillCo: Raharu: BillCo: Ah, cell phones, Obama's answer to gubmint cheese.

Up next, reparations.

Please post more bill, I'm working on your collage.

You sound tired.


Nah, I just got time to kill, and I started the you sound tired thing, so it's really cute when you use it.
 
2013-03-12 09:06:35 AM

atomic-age: If you derpsters want poor people to work, you'll need to accept that cell phones are a necessity, not a luxury. Not only must a person be reachable, many employers actually want employees who can use a smart phone. My husband's job interview included the question "do you have a smart phone?" If he'd said no, he would not have gotten the job.


If unemployed people (particularly blah ones) got jobs, who would they get to feel automatically superior to? They want to rail on them for not having jobs, they don't want them to actually get jobs, so assistance in getting jobs is bad.
 
2013-03-12 09:06:44 AM
Geez, what's next? Forcing the utility companies to provide electricity to rural areas?

Candles were good enough for my ancestors, by gum, and they're good enough for the poor today!!!!!
 
2013-03-12 09:08:03 AM

BillCo: Raharu: BillCo: Ah, cell phones, Obama's answer to gubmint cheese.

Up next, reparations.

Please post more bill, I'm working on your collage.

You sound tired.


Really?  The guy who mentioned reparations is calling someone ELSE tired?
 
2013-03-12 09:08:15 AM
A basic cell with a basic prepaid plan would be cheaper than a landline wouldn't it ? It's not like they're getting iphone 5's. Although you do need to charge a cell. I wonder how much it cost to charge a cell per month.
 
2013-03-12 09:10:30 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: The Obama phones started with Saint Ronnie Reagan, so I'm getting a kick.


No, telephones (land lines) for low income families started under Reagan. This article is about cell phones. How many people had a cell phone in 1987? Please try your call again.
 
2013-03-12 09:10:31 AM

BillCo: Ah, cell phones, Obama's answer to gubmint cheese.

Up next, reparations.


dgt1.net
 
2013-03-12 09:16:37 AM

Philbb: FTFA: To fix this problem, Griffin has introduced a bill to Congress that would scale back the cell phone program by providing only landline services to low-income citizens.

Will it be cheaper to provide landlines to dead people? What would the installation charges be?

Rep. Tim Griffin: Where do we draw the line? Do we give everybody an iPad next? A computer? Is that the role the federal government should be playing?

I guess that would depend on whether or not they are needed to contact emergency services, help with job searches, and keep in contact with family.


The cell phone program is supposed to be one per household. Landlines ensure that is the case.
 
2013-03-12 09:17:35 AM

BillCo: Ah, cell phones, Obama's answer to gubmint cheese.

Up next, reparations.


Who's got the pic of Obama's time machines?
 
2013-03-12 09:18:23 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: That's what a Republican congressman says. What's obvious is that companies are sending out the phones and then billing the government. This would be fraud. But Republican congressmen don't see companies taking advantage -they see big gubbamint'.


No liberal has ever helped a company w federal dollars or ignored waste. Ever.
 
2013-03-12 09:19:42 AM

p the boiler: computerguyUT: How bout we only give free Obamaphones to LIVE worthless non working people.

Why aren't they called Reagan phones? Didn't he start the program with the technology of that day, landlines.


Program started before Reagan. Liberals just love a boogieman.
 
2013-03-12 09:20:01 AM
FTFA: "I understand the FCC is trying to rein the abuse and my first question is, 'What took you so long?'" he said.

Geez, it couldn't possibly be that george w. bush went home in the meantime?

Source: Fox News

This site calls itself Opposing Views, and it's quoting Fox Izvestia.  Opposed to what?
 
2013-03-12 09:21:17 AM

atomic-age: If you derpsters want poor people to work, you'll need to accept that cell phones are a necessity, not a luxury. Not only must a person be reachable, many employers actually want employees who can use a smart phone. My husband's job interview included the question "do you have a smart phone?" If he'd said no, he would not have gotten the job.


Because your phone is who you are.
 
2013-03-12 09:21:49 AM

BillCo: Ah, cell phones, Obama's answer to gubmint cheese.

Up next, reparations.



This was Ronald Reagan's program, not Obama's.
 
2013-03-12 09:22:51 AM
Landlines would cost more than cellphones.

If we're not going to get rid of Bushphones, then tinkering with the program is going to just waste more money.
 
2013-03-12 09:23:31 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: The Obama phones started with Saint Ronnie Reagan, so I'm getting a kick.


Your link describes the lifeline program. Phone subsidies started much earlier.
 
2013-03-12 09:23:56 AM

atomic-age: If you derpsters want poor people to work, you'll need to accept that cell phones are a necessity, not a luxury. Not only must a person be reachable, many employers actually want employees who can use a smart phone. My husband's job interview included the question "do you have a smart phone?" If he'd said no, he would not have gotten the job.


So no personal bias here.

The victimized citizenry need to stop claiming this "no longer a luxury" thing. "New cars are no longer a luxury, computers are no longer a luxury, homes larger than my needs are no longer a luxury, dishwashers are no longer a luxury etc..." It's called living within your means. Outside of food, water, clothing and livable shelter many things ARE a luxury no one should feel entitled to unless they can reasonably afford them. We should just be thankful we live in a part of the world where our health and well-being, our education and other important things are seen as essential. We should not be whining that the government owes us a free phone or else we can't work.
 
2013-03-12 09:30:05 AM

Sgygus: Ima gonna be buried with a cellphone just in case there has been some mistake made.


Just make sure you don't get one those metal caskets reception man, get pine. This is where going cheap will be good, I mean you're dead so who cares or you're not so either way.......
 
2013-03-12 09:30:37 AM

sethen320: Philbb: FTFA: To fix this problem, Griffin has introduced a bill to Congress that would scale back the cell phone program by providing only landline services to low-income citizens.

Will it be cheaper to provide landlines to dead people? What would the installation charges be?

Rep. Tim Griffin: Where do we draw the line? Do we give everybody an iPad next? A computer? Is that the role the federal government should be playing?

I guess that would depend on whether or not they are needed to contact emergency services, help with job searches, and keep in contact with family.

I have been said to lean slightly to the right. I never had a problem with the cell phone program. It sounds crazy at first but when you think about it the whole thing makes sense. I get sick of trying to explain that its no longer 1985 and the cell phone is not a luxury item anymore.


Cell phones are basically what poor people world wide use for communication because they are so much cheaper than landlines. Hell, Nokia just introduced a new model that is $25. Not $25 after contract, but $25 by itself.
 
2013-03-12 09:30:43 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: BillCo: Ah, cell phones, Obama's answer to gubmint cheese.

Up next, reparations.

Who's got the pic of Obama's time machines?


img546.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-12 09:31:32 AM
41% fraud? Seriously?
 
2013-03-12 09:32:06 AM

Sgygus: Ima gonna be buried with a cellphone just in case there has been some mistake made.


Ryan Reynolds approves.
 
2013-03-12 09:53:38 AM
wideandslim.com
 
2013-03-12 09:54:54 AM
Cell phones with reasonable pre-paid plans are MUCH cheaper than landlines and are used all over the world by people who can't get landline service.  A program to provide those who can't afford phones (or who would be deciding each month whether to pay for groceries or pay Ma Bell her pound of flesh) seems like a very good idea for reasons others have already stated.  Nothing wrong with the idea, sounds like the implementation needs to be revamped...but hell just throw it all away right?

/only bothering with the landline because of the DSL anyway, might go dry DSL now that it is available
//already told Ma Bell and the cable company to suck it
 
2013-03-12 10:04:46 AM

Raharu: I started the you sound tired thing



Wow, you must be a rocket surgeon to come up with something so witty and timely.  I'm surprised you haven't used it 10,000 times.  You really should trademark it.
 
2013-03-12 10:11:24 AM
They should have stuck with hippies being from apes and pigs and must be killed, then the book would be praised.
 
2013-03-12 10:12:02 AM
Not really a tax in the usual sense...but Tim Griffin's still at it, since everything else wrong with government has been solved.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/congressmans-slippery-cell-phone-cl ai m/
 
2013-03-12 10:19:38 AM
The Lifeline program is administered by the Universal Service Administrative Company (USAC). USAC is responsible for data collection and maintenance, support calculation, and disbursement for the low-income program. USAC's website provides information regarding administrative aspects of the low-income program, as well as program requirements.


So, this one time at Government Trough, the fox got in charge of the hen house and,,,
 
2013-03-12 10:24:50 AM

snocone: The Lifeline program is administered by the Universal Service Administrative Company (USAC). USAC is responsible for data collection and maintenance, support calculation, and disbursement for the low-income program. USAC's website provides information regarding administrative aspects of the low-income program, as well as program requirements.



USAC also administers the SLD (Schools and Libraries Division), which hands out millions if not billions annually to telecom carriers and equipment manufacturers to provide voice and internet services to schools and libraries. But, since that "government handout" is going to bootstrappy "job creators", it's a-ok, of course.
 
2013-03-12 10:28:30 AM
Oh, look. It's this shiate again.

How many times do we have to debunk this one? I'm going to go back to eating my Pop Rocks and drinking my soda while you guys sort this out.
 
2013-03-12 10:29:10 AM

BillCo: Raharu: I started the you sound tired thing


Wow, you must be a rocket surgeon to come up with something so witty and timely.  I'm surprised you haven't used it 10,000 times.  You really should trademark it.


Light-years wittier than you Bill.
 
2013-03-12 10:46:07 AM

jaybeezey: Because People in power are Stupid: That's what a Republican congressman says. What's obvious is that companies are sending out the phones and then billing the government. This would be fraud. But Republican congressmen don't see companies taking advantage -they see big gubbamint'.

And how would the companies in question have any idea who to send a phone out to?

Someone Has to make the request. It's more likely people making random requests to prove how important the program is so they can keep/expand it.


That's stupid. Who's making money from selling a phone?
 
2013-03-12 11:16:15 AM

TerminalEchoes: HotIgneous Intruder: The Obama phones started with Saint Ronnie Reagan, so I'm getting a kick.

No, telephones (land lines) for low income families started under Reagan. This article is about cell phones. How many people had a cell phone in 1987? Please try your call again.


George W. Bush expanded Lifeline to cell phones in 2008.

Obama signed legislation limiting fraud and abuse in 2011 (PDF).
 
2013-03-12 11:17:28 AM
It is always hard to tell which threads will get the little pink mafia's panties in a wad, but here we are.

Who gives a shiat who started it or who kept it going and embiggening the program?  The one with true nuts will fix it.  I doubt we will see it in our lifetime at any rate as long as politicians are running the country.  Y'all keep on with the partisan hackery and pointing at garbage instead of picking it up.
 
2013-03-12 11:38:40 AM

BillCo: Ah, cell phones, Obama's answer to gubmint cheese.


TFA:The original program, called the Lifeline program, began in 1985 in order to provide the poor with the ability to call for emergency services, help with job searches and keep in contact with family.

i220.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-12 11:44:43 AM
The free cell phone IIRC, started as a tax on the phone companies to benefit the community.  Congress levied the tax and was shocked when the phone companies raised prices to cover the cost of the new tax.  But the companies we're left to determine what the benefit was.  They settled on the phones for at risk folks.  I know a guy who has 4 of these, all active.  I knew another guy with 3.

Some of the homeless guys I know have these phones as well.  To cut down on fraud, the companies are limiting them to one phone active per address.  If someone lived in your apartment before you and hasn't terminated the phone, you're going to have a hard time getting one.  Another company checks to make sure it's a valid postal address.  People were making up fake apartment numbers to get the phones.

One homeless guy I know, just sucks it up and spends $10 of his benefit money to get a cheap phone.  I do know a few homeless guys with a smart phones.  You will have a hard time being homeless and getting a job & making it to your benefit appointments if you don't have a phone or at least a clock.  We tried giving travel clock radios, but they just got stolen.

The nice thing is that the homeless can call when there's an emergency.  I had a homeless girl call one night.  She had met another girl with a toddler who had become homeless that day.  The girl who called asked for diapers and baby wipes.  We grabbed these items along with some blankets and headed downtown.  There wasn't a shelter to take them to, so we brought them to an encampment of safe people in a railway tunnel.  The mom was crying and we told her, "It's just like camping and just for tonight."  She reconciled with her family the next day.

Another time the tunnel encampment got flooded out when a pump failed.  They called us and we drove around collecting people to feed and reequip them.  They had just lost everything they owned.

So, back to the subject.  It's a nice benefit, but I've observed in my community a lot of fraud.  Even when it isn't fraud, a lot of people I know need money management skills more than they need more benefits.
 
2013-03-12 11:46:11 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: jaybeezey: Because People in power are Stupid: That's what a Republican congressman says. What's obvious is that companies are sending out the phones and then billing the government. This would be fraud. But Republican congressmen don't see companies taking advantage -they see big gubbamint'.

And how would the companies in question have any idea who to send a phone out to?

Someone Has to make the request. It's more likely people making random requests to prove how important the program is so they can keep/expand it.

That's stupid. Who's making money from selling a phone?


Is it a subsidy, a crony profiteering opportunity, a tax, FUBAR Nannyism, well, WTF is it?
Other than expensive, overpriced, costly, ridiculously lucrative to somebody, and not very effective.
 
2013-03-12 11:51:41 AM

Theropod76: A basic cell with a basic prepaid plan would be cheaper than a landline wouldn't it ? It's not like they're getting iphone 5's. Although you do need to charge a cell. I wonder how much it cost to charge a cell per month.


More then you think, cell phone chargers constantly use power as long as they are plugged in and most people don't unplug when the phone is not connected probably average around 14 watts when charging and 5 watts when not average to 4 kw/hr per month
 
2013-03-12 11:53:02 AM
Does this mean we can finally send away that asshole John Edward?
 
2013-03-12 12:15:49 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: That's what a Republican congressman says. What's obvious is that companies are sending out the phones and then billing the government. This would be fraud. But Republican congressmen don't see companies taking advantage -they see big gubbamint'.




That is not how the program works. A person does not go to the cell phone provider and ask for a phone and the provider just hands them one then bills the government. The person has to fill out a form and then that form has to be approved then the phone is mailed to the person. So it is the people processing the forms (the government social program) that is committing the fraud and that is no surprise since most programs are awash in it, mainly because they are staffed by people who play favorites. Working in this office I see it all the time and when we investigate the staff they flat out tell the person what to put on forms be it true or not as long as the person filling out the form is black.

My question is like with most social programs why do we even have a program like this in what land of money trees, rainbow dreams and unicorn farts can you justify such a waste of resources? Maybe I could see an old cell phone that only dials 911 for emergencies, but no way should they be able to chat with friends and family and no Iphones for surfing the internet and playing with the apps.
 
2013-03-12 12:16:05 PM
If it pisses BillCo off, then it's worth it just for the lulz of watching him getting worked up.
 
2013-03-12 12:31:29 PM

cardex: Theropod76: A basic cell with a basic prepaid plan would be cheaper than a landline wouldn't it ? It's not like they're getting iphone 5's. Although you do need to charge a cell. I wonder how much it cost to charge a cell per month.

More then you think, cell phone chargers constantly use power as long as they are plugged in and most people don't unplug when the phone is not connected probably average around 14 watts when charging and 5 watts when not average to 4 kw/hr per month


Yea, and they contribute to GW by giving off heat all the time plugged in. I am outraged!

How many captains of industry scored contracts for more than $212B last year?
That many? Well, make it no bid contracts just to thin the herd.
 
2013-03-12 12:33:29 PM

Profedius: A person does not go to the cell phone provider and ask for a phone and the provider just hands them one then bills the government. The person has to fill out a form and then that form has to be approved then the phone is mailed to the person. So it is the people processing the forms (the government social program) that is committing the fraud


Wrong again.
http://www.artelco.com/cms/lifeline-low-income-assistance/

From one of the many phone company websites who are selling this to the public:


How do I apply for Lifeline and Link-Up Service and receive the discounts?
 -Visit or call your local telephone company.
-Contact Lifelink Certification, LLC if you do not know your telephone company or you wish to contact a company that can help you through the application process.  Call toll free in Arkansas at 1-866-886-5465 or write to P O Box 1714, Malvern, AR  72104. You will receive assistance or an application in the mail.

So you see the big gubbamin't trusts the companies to help them find customers.
 
2013-03-12 12:43:13 PM

BillCo: Ah, cell phones, Obama's answer to gubmint cheese.

Up next, reparations.


I think you misspelled Reagan.
 
2013-03-12 12:57:47 PM
$2.2B annual budget with 6M subscribers works out to $30.56/mo per subscriber.   My last pay-as-you-go plan was $5 for the phone plus $100/yr minimum pre-pay to keep it active.  This gave me 1000 minutes/yr; not a ton if you want to yak on it all the time; but it was plenty for the emergency, status check in, etc. usage I did.  I am now on a luxury $30/mo plan with unilimited data and texting.  So why are we paying for a luxury plan for them?  Seems like the $100/yr plan is good enough to let them make emergency calls; if they want to talk more they can pay the pretty reasonable paygo rate.

If we cut out the 41% fraud and got the cost down to $100/yr/subscriber it would cut this program down to a $354M annual budget; an 84% savings.  Is this representative of most government programs?
 
2013-03-12 01:02:15 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Profedius: A person does not go to the cell phone provider and ask for a phone and the provider just hands them one then bills the government. The person has to fill out a form and then that form has to be approved then the phone is mailed to the person. So it is the people processing the forms (the government social program) that is committing the fraud

Wrong again.
http://www.artelco.com/cms/lifeline-low-income-assistance/

From one of the many phone company websites who are selling this to the public:


How do I apply for Lifeline and Link-Up Service and receive the discounts?
 -Visit or call your local telephone company.
-Contact Lifelink Certification, LLC if you do not know your telephone company or you wish to contact a company that can help you through the application process.  Call toll free in Arkansas at 1-866-886-5465 or write to P O Box 1714, Malvern, AR  72104. You will receive assistance or an application in the mail.

So you see the big gubbamin't trusts the companies to help them find customers.




So what are you saying? The application is still being filed and processed by the government. The matter of some states contracting out the application process means nothing unless your thinking is that a company contracted to work for the government is not just an extension of the government.
 
2013-03-12 01:27:37 PM
Ring!

Ring!

Obama phone!
 
2013-03-12 01:42:14 PM

Profedius: Because People in power are Stupid: Profedius: A person does not go to the cell phone provider and ask for a phone and the provider just hands them one then bills the government. The person has to fill out a form and then that form has to be approved then the phone is mailed to the person. So it is the people processing the forms (the government social program) that is committing the fraud

Wrong again.
http://www.artelco.com/cms/lifeline-low-income-assistance/

From one of the many phone company websites who are selling this to the public:


How do I apply for Lifeline and Link-Up Service and receive the discounts?
 -Visit or call your local telephone company.
-Contact Lifelink Certification, LLC if you do not know your telephone company or you wish to contact a company that can help you through the application process.  Call toll free in Arkansas at 1-866-886-5465 or write to P O Box 1714, Malvern, AR  72104. You will receive assistance or an application in the mail.

So you see the big gubbamin't trusts the companies to help them find customers.

So what are you saying? The application is still being filed and processed by the government. The matter of some states contracting out the application process means nothing unless your thinking is that a company contracted to work for the government is not just an extension of the government.


I'm saying that dead people (RTFA) don't fill out applications.
 
2013-03-12 01:43:05 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: FARTBAMA CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF OBAMAPHONES ALL BY HIS SOCIALIST SELF, THE IDEA NEVER EVER EXISTED BEFORE HE BECAME (P)RESIDENT, AND ANYONE WHO SAYS BUSH OR REAGAN DID IT IS A LYING LIAR WHO LIES AND LIKES TO KISS HIS OWN BUTT

/geez, this is tiring


the "KISS HIS OWN BUTT" was a nice touch.
 
2013-03-12 01:51:55 PM
I actually know someone that had a phone like this. They are by no means smartphones. The phone this person received was a very basic phone that you could buy from most pre-paid providers for about $10. The email service and other non essential services were permanently disabled on the phone. They are disabled and used the phone to make doctors appointments and arrange transportation, (as their disability did not allow them to drive), I can assure you that this person lived on a very low fixed income and this was their only viable contact for important appointments. Pay phones are few and far between, and they lived far from family because it was the only place they could afford to rent.

They were finally and happily o.k.'ed to return to work, and purchased their own cell phone and cancelled the free phone. Within a month the free phone provider contacted them and wanted to know why they had not requested to continue their service. THAT seems to be the problem, they shove these phones in people's faces. I don't think it's a bad thing to provide service for low income people, but it needs to be more sharply regulated. I have learned that in many cases, people that have free cell phones also receive lifeline service on their land line phones. They should't get both.
 
2013-03-12 03:06:40 PM
But in Obama's Illinois at least, the dead vote, do they not? They are deserving constituents!
 
2013-03-12 03:07:03 PM
Again, for the dullards:

Look at your phone, with all it's snazzy features.
These phones have 300 units per month of talk and text.
They're not 4g. The reception is spotty.
No internet.
No games. (yeah rly)
No camera.
No apps.
It's like 1995.
 
2013-03-12 04:24:27 PM

jaybeezey: Because People in power are Stupid: That's what a Republican congressman says. What's obvious is that companies are sending out the phones and then billing the government. This would be fraud. But Republican congressmen don't see companies taking advantage -they see big gubbamint'.

And how would the companies in question have any idea who to send a phone out to?

Someone Has to make the request. It's more likely people making random requests to prove how important the program is so they can keep/expand it.


That is the "more likely" reason? Are you mentally handicapped? No. The reason is abuse. It is easy to abuse things with little or no oversight.

The real discussion should be, "How much of an impact is this having and where does that place it on the scale of things requiring immediate attention?"

But, eh... You're probably not going to understand that.
 
2013-03-12 04:55:47 PM
A GOP'er talking about cutting waste in a Federal program instead of eliminating the program entirely? Must be a RINO.
 
2013-03-12 05:05:41 PM

UnspokenVoice: That is the "more likely" reason? Are you mentally handicapped? No. The reason is abuse. It is easy to abuse things with little or no oversight.

The real discussion should be, "How much of an impact is this having and where does that place it on the scale of things requiring immediate attention?"

But, eh... You're probably not going to understand that.


Yeah, gubbamint workers who do this will be fired and lose their benefits. A phone company employee who does this will make commission and if caught probably get a raise.
 
2013-03-12 05:46:34 PM

stuff: Seems like the $100/yr plan is good enough to let them make emergency calls; if they want to talk more they can pay the pretty reasonable paygo rate.


And 911 calls are free from any phone.  Heck it doesn't even have to be activated with any plan to call 911.
 
2013-03-12 08:47:58 PM

BizarreMan: And 911 calls are free from any phone.  Heck it doesn't even have to be activated with any plan to call 911.


And if you don't have one? What, steal it?
 
2013-03-12 09:14:36 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: atomic-age: If you derpsters want poor people to work, you'll need to accept that cell phones are a necessity, not a luxury. Not only must a person be reachable, many employers actually want employees who can use a smart phone. My husband's job interview included the question "do you have a smart phone?" If he'd said no, he would not have gotten the job.

Because your phone is who you are.


If you are applying to work with our large, very well known corporation, your ability to use a smart phone is actually considered vital. If you say you don't have one, there is an assumption that you don't know how to use a contemporary phone and are therefore too old and untrainable to be hired. I didn't make the farking rule, but I have to live by it or watch someone else take the job. We both work for the same company. I am full time and my spouse is moving to full time as soon as he can.

Employers make the rules.
 
2013-03-12 09:46:33 PM
This would be a great use for recycled cell phones - there are millions thrown away every year just because they aren't the newest iPhone. I know all they have to do is yank the SIM card and they can only make 911 calls... no plan required! Problem solved!
 
2013-03-12 11:27:44 PM
cardex:  cell phone chargers constantly use power as long as they are plugged in and most people don't unplug when the phone is not connected probably average around 14 watts when charging and 5 watts when not average to 4 kw/hr per month

More like 4kwh/year, not per month.  So less than a penny per day.
 
2013-03-13 12:27:21 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: UnspokenVoice: That is the "more likely" reason? Are you mentally handicapped? No. The reason is abuse. It is easy to abuse things with little or no oversight.

The real discussion should be, "How much of an impact is this having and where does that place it on the scale of things requiring immediate attention?"

But, eh... You're probably not going to understand that.

Yeah, gubbamint workers who do this will be fired and lose their benefits. A phone company employee who does this will make commission and if caught probably get a raise.


As an aside, I wonder how much fraud the company that does this is aware of and I wonder what the true rate of fraud actually is though I'm too lazy to go review. It's abused by people getting more than one phone, there is no grand conspiracy. That should be addressed but, as far as priorities go, aren't those fees paying for this program and how much will we save as compared to concentrating our attention elsewhere?

I'm sure that SafeLink knows about it, I doubt that they mind it or do a great deal beyond the absolute legal minimum fraud prevention or detection and I suspect that they're smart enough to ensure they meet the the cover-your-ass status. I hope one doesn't expect either efficiency or a non-abusive public as that would be a rather strange expectation as there is waste and abuse in everything else they do. It is who we are.
 
2013-03-13 07:24:54 AM
So, exactly what are we supposed to do if we get a call from a dead person on a cell phone?

/probably depends what your definition of dead is
//is it for deadbeats who can't afford a 2-year contract with the major carriers
 
2013-03-13 10:48:20 AM

ChicagoKev: cardex:  cell phone chargers constantly use power as long as they are plugged in and most people don't unplug when the phone is not connected probably average around 14 watts when charging and 5 watts when not average to 4 kw/hr per month

More like 4kwh/year, not per month.  So less than a penny per day.


4 watts for 18 hours =72
12 watts for 6 hours = 72
Total of 144 watt hours per day so 1 kw hour every 7 days give or take depending on how much you charge it I assume plugging it in over night so more like .03 a day but it adds up when you have 10 different chargers running 24/7 but I'm cheap and like having a power bill under 30 bucks
 
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