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2013-03-12 10:00:56 AM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: What's even more shocking is that this is no longer a first world problem, shattering the idea that increased prosperity = increased obesity. Even in the developing world, obesity is a bigger problem than undernutrition. There is a long history of substances that went from commonplace to controlled in a matter of years. My guess is sugar is next.


Fortunately, global warming will bring back famine, and the world will revert to the nutritionally-ideal state of 1970.
 
2013-03-12 10:24:20 AM

This text is now purple: Schroedinger's Glory Hole: What's even more shocking is that this is no longer a first world problem, shattering the idea that increased prosperity = increased obesity. Even in the developing world, obesity is a bigger problem than undernutrition. There is a long history of substances that went from commonplace to controlled in a matter of years. My guess is sugar is next.

Fortunately, global warming will bring back famine, and the world will revert to the nutritionally-ideal state of 1970.


No, it won't.  Because people will still be much more sedentary than they ever were before.

Of course since Global Warming threatens to drown billions of people, maybe all that swimming will help folks keep slender.

Global Warming.  Is there anything it can't do?
 
2013-03-12 10:28:10 AM

FLMountainMan: Of course since Global Warming threatens to drown billions of people, maybe all that swimming will help folks keep slender.


I'm going to lash obese people together and live on them like an island.
 
2013-03-12 10:33:56 AM

salvador.hardin: Limiting the size of sodas in restaurants is good for public health. Over a population the size of New York City, it is a change that will result in measurable savings and improvement in quality of life. The only legal discussion worth having is whether the government has this kind of power over private businesses.


LImiting Internet time would be good in the exact same manner. Perhaps you'd care to endorse that as well?
 
2013-03-12 10:35:03 AM
FTFA: Tingling said this public-health debate should clearly be in the hands of lawmakers like the City Council or state legislature. Those bodies have never refused to take up this weighty matter, the judge said.

*golf clap*
 
2013-03-12 10:35:59 AM

HotWingConspiracy: FLMountainMan: Of course since Global Warming threatens to drown billions of people, maybe all that swimming will help folks keep slender.

I'm going to lash obese people together and live on them like an island.


It's been done

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2013-03-12 10:37:12 AM

salvador.hardin: Limiting the size of sodas in restaurants is good for public health. Over a population the size of New York City, it is a change that will result in measurable savings and improvement in quality of life. The only legal discussion worth having is whether the government has this kind of power over private businesses.


Lost tax revenue from sodas will hurt the economy.  Hell, if everyone in this country got healthy and made good decisions on how they spend their money, our entire economy would collapse.
 
2013-03-12 10:49:51 AM

spickus: SNAP should have an approved foods list like WIC.


In my area we have a large homeless population, and some of them (quite a few from what I've seen) are on SNAP as well. The problem with "approved" food lists is that it doesn't take into account things like inadequate food storage and preparation facilities. Even if someone lives in a SRO, they're most likely to be subsisting mostly on prepared foods as they will lack those storage and facilities for food preparation. Telling someone they can buy a pound of extra lean "approved" ground beef, but not a hamburger when they may not have the ability to make a hamburger with that ground beef is somewhat self defeating if the goal is to feed people.

I know in some areas that isn't a huge concern, but for those of us in the cities in areas with temperate climates, caring for the homeless and very poor is a major concern and SNAP, for all of its flaws, does help with some of that problem.

I suppose we could quit pretending to be a civilized society and just kick 'em all to the curb, though.

/also, remember the "snack tax"?
//yeah.... think back to how well that worked and now make it even harder to implement and maintain
 
2013-03-12 10:54:26 AM
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2013-03-12 11:47:13 AM
If people want to drink themselves fat, let them. Maybe just apply a special tax to 20oz sizes and above. I have a diet/exercise cheat day once a week and like to enjoy a 20oz Dr. Pepper. Seems a bit dickish that I can't enjoy that indulgence in order to protect fatty tards lacking in self-control.
 
2013-03-12 12:07:38 PM
That means the world is safe again for Passover Coke.farm1.static.flickr.com
 
2013-03-12 12:22:26 PM
As for all the fat hate, remember that your daughters will get plowed by the groups that you hate to spite you.
 
2013-03-12 12:25:03 PM

MacWizard: Schroedinger's Glory Hole: MacWizard: Schroedinger's Glory Hole: Why don't we do something useful like stop allowing juice and other sugary beverages to be purchased with WIC and SNAP? Public health is not about preventing individual bad decisions...

It seems as if you answered your own question.

Taking incomplete quotes, it seems as if you make uncited infographics for GOP shill Facebook pages.

"Why don't we do something useful like stop allowing juice and other sugary beverages to be purchased with WIC and SNAP?  Public health is not about preventing individual bad decisions and more about nudging the overall decisions of populations.  You have an entire population of children essentially being force fed "healthy" whole grains and sugar water, and this population is the most vulnerable."

Since you're so insistent, let's break down and examine the entire statement, in a logical order.

The perceived problem which, for some reason, came last: "You have an entire population of children essentially being force fed "healthy" whole grains and sugar water, and this population is the most vulnerable." An entire population? Force fed? Seems like hyperbole to me, but let's assume you are exactly right.

Your solution: "Why don't we do something useful like stop allowing juice and other sugary beverages to be purchased with WIC and SNAP?"

The logical argument against your solution: "Public health is not about preventing individual bad decisions and more about nudging the overall decisions of populations."

Your proposal is to "stop allowing" something, not "nudge overall decisions."  I snipped the quote where I did because that was a sufficient amount to illustrate that your argument contradicts itself. Seemed rather obvious. Why don't we stop allowing "insert bad decision here"? Because public health is not about preventing individual bad decisions. The rest of what you said does not change that.


You're right, but he does mak3e a valid point: if sugary drinks and obesity are such a concern to the mayor (as the article states, and as the mayor gives as his primary reason for wanting the ban), then perhaps he should start by lobbying the Governor to ban the purchase of such drinks via WIC and EBT. Because he is right--those who utilize WIC and EBT are, statistically, the ones who also will utilize Medicaid and Medicare services.

If obesity is such a public health concern for NYC that will cost 5000 lives this year (diabetes, heart disease, etc), then the first logical course for Mayor Bloomberg to take is to advance the agenda of removing sugary drinks and junk food items from the purchasable foods list for WIC and EBT. Then cause the Governor to allow WIC and EBT users to get a hold of healthier food options--fruits, vegetables, whole grains, real fruit juices, skim and 1-2% milk, lowfat unsalted butter, lean meats... all at a lower markup--say 5% above cost so that vendors/stores still make some profit. Remove unhealthy items from schools (which he does have the power to do) but allow alternatives such as frozen yogurt and fresh fruit and allow things like pizza once per week or once every other week, reinstate PE and recess, and teach children as part of health or PE how to make healthy choices. Remain on this plan for a period of about 3 years and study the results in terms of choices kids make and in terms of the impact on Medicaid/Medicare costs--does it save money, does the need for treatment of obesity-related and poor food choice-related illnesses improve?

THEN, after a few years of seeing what the changes you do have the authority to make does--and if it does indeed improve--put it to a vote. Get the information out, let the people see how much money can be saved in the budget of EBT, WIC, Medicare and Medicaid annually as well as the public education system, THEN give the people the right to vote on something that affects them. That's how we change laws in this country--the people get the information and vote, and if they say "no deal," the mayor has to abide by their wishes, not the other way around. He doesn't get to play King Michael in his little fiefdom of New York.
 
2013-03-12 12:37:36 PM
Gangs, Rapist, Drugs, Murders.
I have to protect my children....from sodas.
 
2013-03-12 02:35:27 PM
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Send out the NYPD.
 
2013-03-12 02:58:27 PM

MacWizard: Popcorn Johnny: The thing that bothers me about a politician attempting to ban large sodas is that a politician is arrogant enough to think it's something they should be able to do.

And stupid enough not to consider that people might refill smaller sizes.


Are we talking about sodas or gun clips now?
 
2013-03-12 04:34:16 PM
Have fatties sign off on any right to Medicare or Medicaid funds, and I'd be okay with this.  Hey, Neolibs, where is your No Free Lunch now?
 
2013-03-12 05:57:20 PM

Carousel Beast: salvador.hardin: Limiting the size of sodas in restaurants is good for public health. Over a population the size of New York City, it is a change that will result in measurable savings and improvement in quality of life. The only legal discussion worth having is whether the government has this kind of power over private businesses.

LImiting Internet time would be good in the exact same manner. Perhaps you'd care to endorse that as well?


I'm not sure you understand what an endorsement is. I'm saying that the court's consideration should be whether the city government has the power to make the policy, not its prudence. In the case of internet access and use, the first amendment would be strongly implicated in determining the limits of government authority, but the role of the judge remains the same. The merit of the policy is a question for the electorate, not the judiciary.
 
2013-03-12 06:19:54 PM
Eh, Bloomberg will win this on appeal. If you read the judge's comments he's just saying that they need to re-write it so that there is conisistency across vendors and stores. The problem is that the State regulates some of those operations and not the city, but that's easily solved by Bloomberg going back to the state government and asking them to support this legislation (which they almost certainly will) and viola - problem solved.
 
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2013-03-12 06:39:31 PM
The law should have just been a simple ban on  large soda fountain drinks or any sugary beverage poured into a 16oz+ cup by employees.

As written I could order 30 bucks of pizza for a family but couldn't get a 2 liter of soda included in the delivery, yet 7-11 had a loophole that let them continue selling Big-Gulps.
 
2013-03-13 01:17:12 AM

TomD9938: Judge halts mayor's soda ban, calls it 'arbitrary and capricious'

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Close, but this one is more appropriate.

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Hey, Judge, your fly is open.
 
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