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(Fox News)   Open Source Intelligence reports North Korea may have Chinese and Russian ICBM control electronics, Electro-Magnetic Pulse warheads, and plan a high-altitude burst over the Pacific Ocean. Sleep tight, America   (foxnews.com) divider line 169
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2013-03-12 07:26:31 AM  
Unfortunately, President Obama has severely cut missile defense and last year announced plans to decommission Missile Field 1 at Fort Greely. Originally, there were to be three silo fields housing interceptors. Today, Fort Greely is down to one


I know "faux news" and all that, but this part is true
 
2013-03-12 07:27:24 AM  

vygramul: Weaver95: GAT_00: Absolute bullshiat.  They can't possibly have the miniaturization down to the point where they can fit a nuclear warhead in a missile.

I think its possible.  unlikely but very possible.  the technology we're talking about is old, stable and well known.  we've done well to keep the details secret on nuclear weapons but lets be honest - 70 years is a long time to keep something like that under a rock.  granted, the tech is expensive and demanding but...not all that difficult to acquire.  with all our attention focused on Iran, the norks could have done it.  well, more likely flat out bought it but still.

Nuclear weapons are not easy. Miniaturization is actually rather difficult to achieve. To give you an idea of how hard nukes are, the Germans in WWII didn't get one largely because they couldn't figure out the electronics. The Germans. Electronics. Not the nuke part, but the electronics to create the symmetrical explosion for the trigger. That's not because the nuke part is easy. It's because the whole thing is hard.


Ummmmmmm. That was the 1940's. Electronics have come a ways since then. Sure NORK may not have, but the technology is everywhere.

If the we and the Soviets figured it out 50+ years ago, how hard could it be with today's technology? Sorry, the nuke genie is out of the bottle. It's not about stopping proliferation, it's now about dealing with the ever increasing number of nations with the technology.
 
2013-03-12 07:30:55 AM  
I say bring it the fark on.
/china would step in of things got out of hand
//and by step in I mean invade
/// the us and South Korea would sit back and laugh
 
2013-03-12 07:33:12 AM  

Bonzo_1116: nero_design:   

What would happen... if North Korea accidentally Nuked itself?

/Seriously.

If Waikiki got nuked, Oahu would be a better place.

DO IT.


Pretty much all you would be left with is Waianae.

I don't think you thought your cunning plan through.
 
2013-03-12 07:36:20 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Somacandra: The first job of such governments is neither to feed their people nor fuel their army. It is to stay in power against real or perceived enemies. The U.S. and Soviets both had plenty of hungry and homeless people during the Cold War but chose instead to build enough nukes to destroy each other many times over.

Neither country was ever in the dire straits North Korea is in. The only thing that changed is that they got a new leader who needs to appear tough or he's going to get whacked.

The first job of such countries is self preservation and maintaining their power structure. China is ready to smack the sh*t out of them even with the refugee problem they fear. They're bad for business. Fat Kid is f*cking up, big time.

Also, since when are we comparing North Korea with the Soviet Union and the United States?


Well, we're talking about Somacandra.
 
2013-03-12 07:39:14 AM  
 
2013-03-12 07:39:20 AM  
What would be hilarious is if the high altitude test went wrong and they EMP'd the shiat out of Pyongyang.
 
2013-03-12 07:45:02 AM  

BigBooper: vygramul: Weaver95: GAT_00: Absolute bullshiat.  They can't possibly have the miniaturization down to the point where they can fit a nuclear warhead in a missile.

I think its possible.  unlikely but very possible.  the technology we're talking about is old, stable and well known.  we've done well to keep the details secret on nuclear weapons but lets be honest - 70 years is a long time to keep something like that under a rock.  granted, the tech is expensive and demanding but...not all that difficult to acquire.  with all our attention focused on Iran, the norks could have done it.  well, more likely flat out bought it but still.

Nuclear weapons are not easy. Miniaturization is actually rather difficult to achieve. To give you an idea of how hard nukes are, the Germans in WWII didn't get one largely because they couldn't figure out the electronics. The Germans. Electronics. Not the nuke part, but the electronics to create the symmetrical explosion for the trigger. That's not because the nuke part is easy. It's because the whole thing is hard.

Ummmmmmm. That was the 1940's. Electronics have come a ways since then. Sure NORK may not have, but the technology is everywhere.

If the we and the Soviets figured it out 50+ years ago, how hard could it be with today's technology? Sorry, the nuke genie is out of the bottle. It's not about stopping proliferation, it's now about dealing with the ever increasing number of nations with the technology.


We and the Soviets figured out a lot of things 50+ years ago that most countries can't handle. We landed on the moon more than 40 years ago. China only got a man into space recently. Making a nuke isn't easy. Even with today's technology. Sure, Japan and Germany could probably make a nuke in about six months. But not many other countries could.

/Japan tried making their own combat aircraft. It didn't turn out well. Integration is HARD and only a handful of countries can do it fairly well.
 
2013-03-12 07:46:01 AM  

abhorrent1: What would be hilarious is if the high altitude test went wrong and they EMP'd the shiat out of Pyongyang.


Would anyone notice?
 
2013-03-12 07:46:36 AM  
I'm pretty sure some retired O-5 civilian over at Stratcom read this and thought, "See, guys! We still matter!"
 
2013-03-12 07:47:01 AM  

hardinparamedic: HotWingAgenda: The turd that wrote that article is not from OSIS, in any way, shape or form.  I'm sure the Open Source Intelligence Service is working on tracking what NoKo is up to, but no one would try to rely on whatever they can glean.  NoKo doesn't exactly have a free press or open borders, so most of the intelligence that can be gathered on them has to come by SigInt and IMINT.

We need these people on the case.

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mightyisis.com
 
2013-03-12 07:48:02 AM  
Also let's get a non-Fox source. Fox could say it's raining and I'd more likely to believe the weather forecast from Westeros.
 
2013-03-12 07:48:04 AM  

thamike: Yeah, sorry.  I grew up during actual nuclear threats.  Civilization-ending threats.   It's time to update your bogeymen.


Yep. Every city I've ever lived in had at least one Soviet missile pointed at it. If it wasn't a state capital it was next to a military base ot two, or it was an important shipping port.  I  grew up diving under my desk once a month to make sure I knew how to avoid being blown to bits. These modern pants-shiatting cowards make me sick. North Korea is a farking joke.
 
2013-03-12 07:52:08 AM  
This article is by Van Hipp. Want to know what else Van Hipp wrote for Fox?

1980 All Over Again? Romney Channels Reagan as Election Day Looms
 
2013-03-12 07:52:17 AM  

vygramul: Nuclear weapons are not easy. Miniaturization is actually rather difficult to achieve. To give you an idea of how hard nukes are, the Germans in WWII didn't get one largely because they couldn't figure out the electronics. The Germans. Electronics. Not the nuke part, but the electronics to create the symmetrical explosion for the trigger. That's not because the nuke part is easy. It's because the whole thing is hard.


Well, there was the brain-drain thing when they chased out most of the best scientific minds of generation because of the religion they were born into.
 
2013-03-12 07:53:07 AM  
 
2013-03-12 07:55:03 AM  
So this article is trying to make me afraid of "spending my nights in darkness" Korea so they can lament the recent military spending cuts, which still far surpasses any other nation's many times over?

I'll be scared when N. Korea is flying their fancy space plane over the easy coast dropping nukes like that video they released.
 
2013-03-12 08:00:59 AM  

abhorrent1: What would be hilarious is if the high altitude test went wrong and they EMP'd the shiat out of Pyongyang.


I suppose it would be hilarious, but the ww1 era tech they live with isn't that susceptible to EMP attack. It would be like EMPing the Amish.
 
2013-03-12 08:04:18 AM  
It would be a shame if BK launched one and it landed in China or Russia.
 
2013-03-12 08:13:19 AM  

Twilight Farkle: FTFA (emphasis added):

"Van D. Hipp, Jr. is Chairman of American Defense International, Inc., a Washington, D.C.-based consulting firm specializing in government affairs, business development and public relations. He is the former Deputy Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Army and currently serves on Board of Directors of the American Conservative Union and The National Capitol Board of The Salvation Army."

[i.imgur.com image 250x285]

Much like earnings reports, where all the useful information is tucked away in the Notes to the Consolidated Financial Statements, the best way to read any "call to arms" is by first scrolling to the end of the document, and then slowly working your way back up.


THIS.

This is the entire point of this drivel (FTFA):

"Unfortunately, President Obama has severely cut missile defense and last year announced plans to decommission Missile Field 1 at Fort Greely. Originally, there were to be three silo fields housing interceptors. Today, Fort Greely is down to one. The time is now for the administration to reverse its decision. "
 
2013-03-12 08:16:58 AM  
Whenever I see the scary tag next to the Fox logo I know, even without checking, that it's another day that ends in Y.
 
2013-03-12 08:17:25 AM  

Bontesla: MrBallou: That sounded convincing and quite alarming at first. Then I got to the paragraph that started with "President George W. Bush understood..." and realized WTF I was reading. The next paragraph started with "Unfortunately, President Obama..."

I have a pretty good idea what came after that.

That's all the summary I need.
Thank you for saving me time.


Well, it is Faux News...
 
2013-03-12 08:18:22 AM  
I'm in the "NK can't shrink their nukes yet to put on an ICBM" crowd. That takes a lot of engineering and specialized work, not to mention testing, before you are confident of success.

I kind of doubt NK would say "ok we've had it, missiles are headed your way now!", launch a handful of ICBM's, and find out that uhhh, maybe they should have tested them a bit more and nothing happens. No, what's a far more likely scenario is they have one or more of those things sitting in an underground tunnel beneath the DMZ, and intend to either set them off to blast open the defenses or use them as collateral when the fighting turns against them.

"Cease fire or we blow up what's left of Seoul!"

/carrying them on a plane is possible but unlikely
 
2013-03-12 08:24:58 AM  
Find out where little man is at, then pound him with MOABs every minute for several hrs. Hit their nuclear facilities with bunker busters in between MOABs. Drop food, supplies, and information packets to the people while hitting the military compounds and airstrips. Jam all communications out of the country and keep a close watch on Iran those tards mite try and use this to start some shiat with Israel.
 
2013-03-12 08:35:20 AM  
Idiots..  It's Erectro Magnetic Purse...purdse..pardse...Oh DAMMIT Why can't everyone be smardt rike me?
 
2013-03-12 08:43:21 AM  

Ed Grubermann: vygramul: Nuclear weapons are not easy. Miniaturization is actually rather difficult to achieve. To give you an idea of how hard nukes are, the Germans in WWII didn't get one largely because they couldn't figure out the electronics. The Germans. Electronics. Not the nuke part, but the electronics to create the symmetrical explosion for the trigger. That's not because the nuke part is easy. It's because the whole thing is hard.

Well, there was the brain-drain thing when they chased out most of the best scientific minds of generation because of the religion they were born into.


True. I take great delight that General Heydrich, Eichmann's boss, died of gangrene, refusing to take sulfa drugs because they were a "Jewish invention."
 
2013-03-12 09:03:02 AM  
North Korea is a threat to the USA the same way a pimple is a threat to an elephant's ass.
 
2013-03-12 09:03:49 AM  
You guys really should stop buying into our own propaganda.

I'm not saying they're a modern, disciplined and funded military threat... but they're still an army, an army with the means to do some damage.

Grow up and stop thinking that a conflict with them could be won by a paintballing team.
 
2013-03-12 09:04:24 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Somacandra: The first job of such governments is neither to feed their people nor fuel their army. It is to stay in power against real or perceived enemies. The U.S. and Soviets both had plenty of hungry and homeless people during the Cold War but chose instead to build enough nukes to destroy each other many times over.

Neither country was ever in the dire straits North Korea is in. The only thing that changed is that they got a new leader who needs to appear tough or he's going to get whacked.

The first job of such countries is self preservation and maintaining their power structure. China is ready to smack the sh*t out of them even with the refugee problem they fear. They're bad for business. Fat Kid is f*cking up, big time.

Also, since when are we comparing North Korea with the Soviet Union and the United States?


Amen. Thread over
 
2013-03-12 09:07:27 AM  
Persuasive article != news
 
2013-03-12 09:29:41 AM  
Well we all know that Bible thumping Right Wing zealots love war. They love war because it has guns and army guys doing army stuff to brown, black, and/or yellow godless heathens. (Back me up on this, clane... you seem to be an expert from that school of thoughtlessness)

FoxNews is the mouth piece for them so it would make sense that they would drum up the idea of a war with North Korea. Or a war in general... because wars have guns. They drum it up to make their fundamentalist followers salivate at the thought of non-white peoples in distant lands being bayoneted and bombed.

Also, some of the claims sound dubious at best, regardless of the author's background as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Army Guys with Guns Killing Brown People.
 
2013-03-12 09:41:56 AM  

Xyphoid: You guys really should stop buying into our own propaganda.

I'm not saying they're a modern, disciplined and funded military threat... but they're still an army, an army with the means to do some damage.

Grow up and stop thinking that a conflict with them could be won by a paintballing team.


This ain't your father's NK army. Their readiness has been falling rapidly since the fall of the Soviet Union and its constant flow of supplies. They simply haven't had the money to pay for training or the expending of ammunition for practice like they were able to before the '90s.
 
2013-03-12 09:55:40 AM  

Ed Grubermann: thamike: Yeah, sorry.  I grew up during actual nuclear threats.  Civilization-ending threats.   It's time to update your bogeymen.

Yep. Every city I've ever lived in had at least one Soviet missile pointed at it. If it wasn't a state capital it was next to a military base ot two, or it was an important shipping port.  I  grew up diving under my desk once a month to make sure I knew how to avoid being blown to bits. These modern pants-shiatting cowards make me sick. North Korea is a farking joke.


When our schools bust Burt the Turtle out of retirement and the emergency alert signal makes the top 40 countdown again I will worry.  Until then I will continue to enjoy watching the modern pants-shiatting cowards as they scurry around muttering about the end of the world.
 
2013-03-12 09:55:46 AM  
Fox News
Fox News
Faux News
Bleargh
 
2013-03-12 09:58:33 AM  
cdn.theatlanticwire.com

Bullshiat. The best he can manage is a an "el kabong" style sneak attack.
 
2013-03-12 10:09:24 AM  

publikenemy: Unfortunately, President Obama has severely cut missile defense and last year announced plans to decommission Missile Field 1 at Fort Greely. Originally, there were to be three silo fields housing interceptors. Today, Fort Greely is down to one


I know "faux news" and all that, but this part is true


Yeah, but what about the Soviet, Russian, Chinese, Iraqi, Somalian, Afghani, North Korean threat to the real patriots of the Tea Party?! When the Norks invade, the Real Patriotstm will be able to hold off the commie hoards all by themselves with their hoarded AR Lowers and .223 stock piles. Hopefully their mobility scooters are stored in hardened hangers.
 
2013-03-12 10:10:17 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Snarfangel: Luckily for us, our ICBMs will still work as designed.

what's that, like an IBM?  or a Packard Bell?


I used to have a sweet 66MHz 486DX2 PB1666CD with 4MB RAM and a 420MB hard drive. I played Duke Nukem 3D from a Zip disk.
 
2013-03-12 10:56:41 AM  

DanZero: "Sleep Tight" or "It's getting dusty in here"

Which headline meme is more annoying lately


(featured partner)

that one
that one is the most annoying of all
 
2013-03-12 10:56:43 AM  

Bontesla: MrBallou: That sounded convincing and quite alarming at first. Then I got to the paragraph that started with "President George W. Bush understood..." and realized WTF I was reading. The next paragraph started with "Unfortunately, President Obama..."

I have a pretty good idea what came after that.

That's all the summary I need.
Thank you for saving me time.


Yeah! Why read when you can just assume? Congrats on perpetuating the image of the low information Obama supporter.
 
2013-03-12 10:58:37 AM  

Deep Contact: It would be a shame if BK launched one and it landed in China or Russia.


Burger King has nukes??? Look out McDonalds!!
 
2013-03-12 11:00:59 AM  

Oysterman: Mentat: dethmagnetic: Ok.

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North Korea is a farking joke. They are to international security what the Jacksonville Jaguars are to the NFL, if the Jags were required to play without a quarterback and to have at least 8 long snappers on the field at all times. The greatest threat to their armed forces is farking  starvation, and that's while they're at  peace.

You go ahead and think that, but when the Red Dawn comes, don't expect me to break you out of the camp.

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Sees what you did there


that movie was not nearly as terrible as i thought it would be

still bad

but had potential to be just so much worse
 
2013-03-12 11:13:25 AM  
Actual open source intelligence on Best Korea (KMZ file for google earf):

http://www.nkeconwatch.com/north-korea-uncovered-google-earth/

"This Google Earth project offers an extensive mapping of North Korea's economic, cultural, political, and military infrastructures.  Through the topic menu, users of this program have easy access to geographical information on North Korea's agriculture projects, aviation facilities, communications, hospitals, hotels, energy infrastructure, financial services, leisure destinations, manufacturing facilities, markets, mines, religious locations, restaurants, schools, and transportation infrastructure.  In addition to locations of economic interest, this map also displays anti-aircraft locations, the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) and Northern Line Limit Line (NLL), incarceration facilities, political monuments, political residencies, military bases, and nuclear facilities. "
 
2013-03-12 11:52:20 AM  

RobertBruce: If they wanted to cripple us with just the EMP they'd use a small nuke in a plane.


Just convince Samuel L. Jackson that they're snakes.  Problem solved.
 
2013-03-12 12:38:20 PM  

Twilight Farkle: FTFA (emphasis added):

"Van D. Hipp, Jr. is Chairman of American Defense International, Inc., a Washington, D.C.-based consulting firm specializing in government affairs, business development and public relations. He is the former Deputy Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Army and currently serves on Board of Directors of the American Conservative Union and The National Capitol Board of The Salvation Army."

[i.imgur.com image 250x285]

Much like earnings reports, where all the useful information is tucked away in the Notes to the Consolidated Financial Statements, the best way to read any "call to arms" is by first scrolling to the end of the document, and then slowly working your way back up.


So you stopped reading after the article? I'm just giving you a hard time.

I got to the "Bush is great.." and skipped to that part. Then looked up and saw I was on Fox News' opinion tab.
 
2013-03-12 12:44:40 PM  
Armageddon for Hawaii?!
 
2013-03-12 01:24:23 PM  

MrBallou: That sounded convincing and quite alarming at first. Then I got to the paragraph that started with "President George W. Bush understood..." and realized WTF I was reading. The next paragraph started with "Unfortunately, President Obama..."

I have a pretty good idea what came after that.


It's insightful analysis from the author of:
* 1980 all over again? Romney channels Reagan as Election Day looms
* Romney's international trip could be a defining moment
* Newt Gingrich wins South Carolina Primary by uniting Reagan Republicans
* Understanding the Gingrich Phenomenon
* Will Obama Now Admit That George Bush's Tough Stance In the War on Terror Was Right?
* Rep. Peter King Is Doing His Job By Holding Congressional Hearings On Muslim Radicalization
* Kasich Victory In Ohio Offers Blueprint for Beating Obama In 2012
 
2013-03-12 01:29:00 PM  
It may be sensationalist and jingoistic, but it did prompt me to buy a few cases of drinking water and canned food.
peteeyre.com
 
2013-03-12 02:36:28 PM  

GAT_00: Absolute bullshiat.  They can't possibly have the miniaturization down to the point where they can fit a nuclear warhead in a missile.

Why not? It's really not that difficult. And they have help from Iran (and have had that help for the last 15+ years).

Of course, saying they have "Electro-Magnetic Pulse warheads" to go with the nukes is proof they don't have the slightest clue what the fark they are talking about.
Those so-called "Electromagnetic pulse warheads" are technically any nuclear warhead in the 25 kiloton range, small enough to be a "Tactical" nuke but still able to generate a sizable pulse. From the sounds of it, you are the one who doesn't know what you are talking about.

So of course Fox publishes it as news.
What this boils down to is your rather blind hatred for a specific news outlet. Just because some desk jockey at Fox found this out and and turned it into a story doesn't mean that it's not newsworthy.
 
2013-03-12 02:59:21 PM  
 I think I've seen that movie.

Hypnozombie
/WOLVERINES!!!
 
2013-03-12 03:03:39 PM  

cherryl taggart: This sounds like someone stumbled across a Michael Crichton or Tom Clancy rough draft and just ran with it.


Not quite.

Crazy part is, the writers consulted with several pentagon analysts to come up with the prologue.
 
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