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2013-03-11 09:14:29 PM  
This is such old news that it's literally almost 500 years old.
 
2013-03-11 09:26:09 PM  
Astrology is "New Age hippie bullshiat"?  I'm fairly sure it predates both New Age and hippies.
 
2013-03-11 09:37:03 PM  
Damn.  I'm proven wrong again.

At least there's still phrenology.
 
2013-03-11 09:47:46 PM  

L.D. Ablo: At least there's still phrenology.


My money's on phlogistan.

It's making a comeback, I swear.
 
2013-03-11 10:07:43 PM  
Astronomy lessons now? What am I, some rough ashlar freemason?
 
2013-03-11 10:13:10 PM  
I suspect sometimes that Drew just likes putting up Beginners science stuff as a way to try and slowly educate the unwashed masses.;  If this is your ploy Drew, then you'd be better off putting this thread in the Politics tab.
 
2013-03-11 10:36:02 PM  
I, too, took 9th grade earth science. Thanks, Gawker Media.
 
2013-03-11 10:45:12 PM  
That's like so cool that we can know that.
 
2013-03-11 10:45:34 PM  

L.D. Ablo: Damn.  I'm proven wrong again.

At least there's still phrenology.


And extispicy.  If you can't foretell it by disemboweling a couple of sheep, it ain't worth knowing.
 
2013-03-11 11:42:44 PM  
There are a lot of reasons that Newage is kind of bullsh*t, but astrology, and an often understated knowledge of cosmology isn't really the reason. Astrology was the precedent--in the proper sense of the term--to astronomy. Humans are processing machines, and we ascribe a LOT of that to giving reasons for things to occur. It is a useful trait. Grass moves, why for? Predator or rival hunters? Sound in the distance? What is that? We are supposed to be looking for relationships with events. We constantly seek to understand the reasons for why things happen. Astrology is an early effort. Is there a lot of oddness attached to it? Well, yeah. In the same way that four and five elements were posited. Mind you, five element theory went a bit further as a philosophical underpinning, in the same way that the base nine understanding of chakras was extrapolated further into nine levels of psychological and ethical development. The base nine metaphors for understanding of development that have been worked upon with these as their basis, have less to do with mystical underpinnings, than attempts to understand moral and ethical development, as well as physiological reactions. Understanding of prana came from knowledge of anatomy, and used this understanding of circulation and nerve clusters in a way to use these plexuses of vital points to lay upon a foundation of understanding, and teach it a fashion that was understandable as metaphor.

Astrology is less about metaphor, than imperfect understanding of cosmology, given the limitations of the tools and mathematics and science of the time, with healthy doses of spirituality from various faith traditions, in an attempt to ascribe reasons or at least interpret the universe.

Newage is more bullsh*t because of the pastiche nature of the beliefs, often cobbled together from conflicting sources, poorly understood in the beginning, and then ladled upon with doses of other faith traditions, poorly understood, and then the bastiches try to smooth the whole patchwork mess and call it a cohesive belief system. The more honest, at least admit that they are cobbling together a personal belief system out of many systems, but many more try to make it an over-reaching understanding of spirituality, despite being based upon conflicting structures, themselves often taken entirely out of context.

Buddhism is, itself, often put into this box--because concepts lifted out of context are laid into this pastiche--because of poor use and understanding of those who would simply borrow what they like from the Eightfold Path, while ignoring the work that is necessary. It's the lack of understanding, often lazy spirituality, and quite often extraordinarily lax practice that makes much of Newage bullsh*t. Not the faith traditions that they borrow from, but in how they cobble together these traditions into something out of context, and poorly understood when attempting to shoehorn these practices into their own personal spirituality.
 
2013-03-12 12:10:24 AM  
don't be a dope.  it's no good when your drinkin
 
2013-03-12 01:01:30 AM  
Planetariums suck!

/plan'ah-arium: not a bang-kok brothel
 
2013-03-12 01:05:12 AM  
I've never understood why anyone ascribed the same characteristics to a group of people born within certain dates. It would take a person with a severe learning disability to not be able to tell that everyone is different in their own wierd ways.
 
2013-03-12 02:37:51 AM  

MadSkillz: I've never understood why anyone ascribed the same characteristics to a group of people born within certain dates. It would take a person with a severe learning disability to not be able to tell that everyone is different in their own wierd ways.


At the turn of  the century, they would have been called Spiritualist.

Hippies were more Political, Musically, Anti-War defined-with traditional eastern religions/Philosophies coming into vogue: (Hindi, Confucius, Buddhism) or a very liberal Jesus Freaks.

New-agers really didn't come into vogue until the 70's with the Age of Aquarius shiat. (The term is older than that, but applied to differ things, not the implied meaning.)
 
2013-03-12 03:02:03 AM  

L.D. Ablo: Damn.  I'm proven wrong again.

At least there's still phrenology.


What can possibly be gained by feeling the size and shape of Walt's asshole?
 
2013-03-12 04:01:49 AM  
dailydimmick.com

FARK seriously needs a bullshiat tag, with a big steaming pile of cow crap heading up the statement.

Homeopathy, Accupuncture, Energy Healing, Indigo Children, Astrology, Bigfoot, Scientology, Jenny McCarthy - these are all fantasies held by deranged individuals with a distinct lack of scientific thought ability and inability to critically think.
 
2013-03-12 05:11:01 AM  
My priest told me my psychic is an evil witch.

And my Wicca teacher said my priest is a delusional demagogue.

The my astrologer said my Wicca teacher was a Scorpio, thus a notorious liar.

So my Scientology counselor informed me that astrology is BS.

And my deprogrammer said my Scientology coach was a fraud.
 
2013-03-12 05:19:47 AM  
They seem to be unaware that all planets have an eliptical orbit, not just Mercury.
 
2013-03-12 05:21:09 AM  

hardinparamedic: [dailydimmick.com image 640x640]

FARK seriously needs a bullshiat tag, with a big steaming pile of cow crap heading up the statement.

Homeopathy, Accupuncture, Energy Healing, Indigo Children, Astrology, Bigfoot, Scientology, Jenny McCarthy - these are all fantasies held by deranged individuals with a distinct lack of scientific thought ability and inability to critically think.


I was with you until Bigfoot, he's very much real.

Recent research indicates Bigfoot is most likely a relic specimen of a North American land ape, likely one who interbred with Neanderthals who migrated over the Alaska Land Bridge from Russia.  The heavy fur is consistent with having developed during glaciation.  'Bigfoot' is probably a misnomer as the distribution of confirmed sightings indicates a colony or series of colonies of "bigfeet."  Their reclusive nature seems to have evolved over centuries in response to human intrusion and accounts for their rarity.  One intriguing possibility is that the bigfeet are, as a species, thriving in secluded ecological niches in remote areas.  This is especially probable in light of the steady increase in sightings throughout the last century.

Try to educate yourself before you go trashing good science because you can't see beyond your own backyard.
 
2013-03-12 05:21:11 AM  
Hippie chicks put out.

/put out herpes, that is
 
2013-03-12 05:21:56 AM  

Ishkur: L.D. Ablo: At least there's still phrenology.

My money's on phlogistan.

It's making a comeback, I swear.


That's "phlogiston". When using technical scientific terms, it's extremely important to be precise.
 
2013-03-12 05:27:14 AM  
I always thought "retrograde" meant I should wear my bell bottoms that week.
 
2013-03-12 05:30:02 AM  
Fhloston Paradise!

The hotel of a thousand and one follies and lollies!
 
2013-03-12 05:39:00 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: L.D. Ablo: Damn.  I'm proven wrong again.

At least there's still phrenology.

And extispicy.  If you can't foretell it by disemboweling a couple of sheep, it ain't worth knowing.


Pffft. You people and your bumped heads and sheep entrails. The truly advanced go straight for treppaning.
 
2013-03-12 05:46:04 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: L.D. Ablo: Damn.  I'm proven wrong again.

At least there's still phrenology.

And extispicy.  If you can't foretell it by disemboweling a couple of sheep, it ain't worth knowing.


If I drink heavily and damage my liver, would that disqualify me from a haruspex job?

It's not like I can reach in there and divine auguries on my insides.
 
2013-03-12 05:59:50 AM  

MadSkillz: I've never understood why anyone ascribed the same characteristics to a group of people born within certain dates. It would take a person with a severe learning disability to not be able to tell that everyone is different in their own wierd ways.


I could almost sorta believe a difference might be found between children born in hard times (late winter/early spring when food is scarce) versus kids born and nursed during times of plenty. Maybe even differences in circadian clocks from the season.

It's 99%+ bullshiat though. Most horoscopes are actually good advice for anybody. That's what makes it believeable. "Leos need to work on their patience with others this week, and Pisces need to assert themselves in a good cause."

Most of that advice centers around "don't be a dick, help yourself out, and don't sweat the small stuff"
 
2013-03-12 06:09:07 AM  
Is it me, or is my horoscope saying this would be a good week to become a pedophile?


You are now entering a particularly playful and creative period as irrepressible Mars skips into your 5th House of Spontaneity.  You can experience excitement through activities with children, or you may set aside your responsibilities and seek new ways to enjoy yourself by connecting with your inner child.  Your need for new activity might provoke some risky behavior but it's amazing what you can get away with when you keep a smile on your face. Just remember you might overpower a shy person, so try and tone it down with a sensitive partner.
 
2013-03-12 06:26:25 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Is it me, or is my horoscope saying this would be a good week to become a pedophile?


Heh, it does seem that way, doesn't it?
 
2013-03-12 06:31:50 AM  

hardinparamedic: Homeopathy, Accupuncture, Energy Healing, Indigo Children, Astrology, Bigfoot, Scientology, Jenny McCarthy - these are all fantasies held by deranged individuals with a distinct lack of scientific thought ability and inability to critically think.


But the reptile people are still okay, right?
 
2013-03-12 06:32:13 AM  

MooseUpNorth: ReapTheChaos: Is it me, or is my horoscope saying this would be a good week to become a pedophile?

Heh, it does seem that way, doesn't it?


People who believe in those typically wont make a decision unless their horoscope says it's ok, and usually those things are written vague for that very reason. You can read pretty much anything into one if you look hard enough.
 
2013-03-12 06:48:20 AM  

JesusJuice: I was with you until Bigfoot, he's very much real.

Recent research indicates Bigfoot is most likely a relic specimen of a North American land ape, likely one who interbred with Neanderthals who migrated over the Alaska Land Bridge from Russia. The heavy fur is consistent with having developed during glaciation. 'Bigfoot' is probably a misnomer as the distribution of confirmed sightings indicates a colony or series of colonies of "bigfeet." Their reclusive nature seems to have evolved over centuries in response to human intrusion and accounts for their rarity. One intriguing possibility is that the bigfeet are, as a species, thriving in secluded ecological niches in remote areas. This is especially probable in light of the steady increase in sightings throughout the last century.

Try to educate yourself before you go trashing good science because you can't see beyond your own backyard.


I did a search to see if I could find articles confirming the existence of Bigfoot in any accredited peer-reviewed science journals. You know, something that would qualify as "good science." Didn't find a single instance. Did, however, find "a great example to show the public how not to publish supposedly paradigm-shattering science."

"Science is done by humans, so obviously there is an element of politics and ego in the science world, but as Dr Lee Smolin articulated so well in the 2011 Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate: 'Science isn't about what is true or what might be true, science is about what people with originally diverse viewpoints can be forced to believe by the weight of public evidence.'"

http://www.universityworldnews.com/article.php?story=201302221440113 93
 
2013-03-12 07:16:35 AM  
Yes, because lights in the sky determine character.
 
2013-03-12 07:35:48 AM  
Why isn't Astrology taught in public schools?
 
2013-03-12 07:41:18 AM  
Astrology is all but dead. Certainly out of fashion enough that "revelations" about it seem quaint. If you want a New Age bogeyman to rail against, aim at Positive Thinking.
 
2013-03-12 07:58:15 AM  

timujin: Astrology is "New Age hippie bullshiat"?  I'm fairly sure it predates both New Age and hippies.


Subby is either a complete idiot or trolling.TFH will get some bites.
 
2013-03-12 08:34:09 AM  

MacWizard: JesusJuice: I was with you until Bigfoot, he's very much real.

Recent research indicates Bigfoot is most likely a relic specimen of a North American land ape, likely one who interbred with Neanderthals who migrated over the Alaska Land Bridge from Russia. The heavy fur is consistent with having developed during glaciation. 'Bigfoot' is probably a misnomer as the distribution of confirmed sightings indicates a colony or series of colonies of "bigfeet." Their reclusive nature seems to have evolved over centuries in response to human intrusion and accounts for their rarity. One intriguing possibility is that the bigfeet are, as a species, thriving in secluded ecological niches in remote areas. This is especially probable in light of the steady increase in sightings throughout the last century.

Try to educate yourself before you go trashing good science because you can't see beyond your own backyard.

I did a search to see if I could find articles confirming the existence of Bigfoot in any accredited peer-reviewed science journals. You know, something that would qualify as "good science." Didn't find a single instance. Did, however, find "a great example to show the public how not to publish supposedly paradigm-shattering science."

"Science is done by humans, so obviously there is an element of politics and ego in the science world, but as Dr Lee Smolin articulated so well in the 2011 Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate: 'Science isn't about what is true or what might be true, science is about what people with originally diverse viewpoints can be forced to believe by the weight of public evidence.'"

http://www.universityworldnews.com/article.php?story=201302221440113 93


Hint: you got trolled.
 
2013-03-12 08:52:38 AM  

verbaltoxin: Hint: you got trolled.


I hate when that happens.
 
2013-03-12 09:16:46 AM  
Why your New Age hippie bullshiat is bullshiat

Because it's not old enough.  Wait another 500 years or so, and New Age hippie bullshiat will be the Word of [Ridiculous Deity of Choice].  Then watch as your hippie bullshiat is repeatedly spewed out of the mouths of soccer moms, and used to shape global political policy.
 
2013-03-12 09:29:36 AM  

JesusJuice: Recent research indicates Bigfoot is most likely a relic specimen of a North American land ape, likely one who interbred with Neanderthals who migrated over the Alaska Land Bridge from Russia.  The heavy fur is consistent with having developed during glaciation.  'Bigfoot' is probably a misnomer as the distribution of confirmed sightings indicates a colony or series of colonies of "bigfeet."  Their reclusive nature seems to have evolved over centuries in response to human intrusion and accounts for their rarity.  One intriguing possibility is that the bigfeet are, as a species, thriving in secluded ecological niches in remote areas.  This is especially probable in light of the steady increase in sightings throughout the last century.


That's pretty good. You should get some bites.
 
2013-03-12 09:44:00 AM  
Wow, man, that's heavy...I wasn't able to really follow that, 'cause, like, Mercury's retrograde, man....
 
2013-03-12 10:04:56 AM  
controversy.wearscience.com
 
2013-03-12 10:13:22 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Yes, because lights in the sky determine character.


And yet a lot of people believe a full moon somehow has an affect on your behaviour, even people that laugh at astrology.

For those that know, how much does the moon factor into astrology? Or is the full moon thing a completely different and much more widespread belief?
 
2013-03-12 10:54:04 AM  
The positions of the lights in the sky 9 months after your Dad forgot to pull out of your Mom is one, perhaps the most, important factor in determining your entire future.
 
2013-03-12 10:57:23 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Yes, because lights in the sky determine character.


The ancients believed that there is a mathematical order and harmony to the universe (cosmos). And they believed that this order is reproduced at various scales in the universe. So the macrocosm of the heavens was just a large version of the microcosm of people and their society. The two resonated with each other. So if you wanted to find out what's happening in the microcosm, you could look up and read it in the macrocosm.

And they weren't just 'lights in the sky', they were amongst other things, their calendar. They were used to tell the passing of the seasons, and let people know when it was time to sow their crops. The entire survival of ancient society depended on a correct (or at least good enough) understanding of the motions of the heavens. So, yeah, the lights in the sky were pretty damn important.
 
2013-03-12 11:12:46 AM  
Oh give them a break.

All human societies realized that the positions of the stars determined the seasons with no rational explanation so it was natural to ask what else they determined.

It wasn't until recently (Copernicus, 1514) that a boring explanation was given and it takes a while for culture to adapt to harsh reality.
 
2013-03-12 11:17:09 AM  

JesusJuice: hardinparamedic: [dailydimmick.com image 640x640]

FARK seriously needs a bullshiat tag, with a big steaming pile of cow crap heading up the statement.

Homeopathy, Accupuncture, Energy Healing, Indigo Children, Astrology, Bigfoot, Scientology, Jenny McCarthy - these are all fantasies held by deranged individuals with a distinct lack of scientific thought ability and inability to critically think.

I was with you until Bigfoot, he's very much real.

Recent research indicates Bigfoot is most likely a relic specimen of a North American land ape, likely one who interbred with Neanderthals who migrated over the Alaska Land Bridge from Russia.  The heavy fur is consistent with having developed during glaciation.  'Bigfoot' is probably a misnomer as the distribution of confirmed sightings indicates a colony or series of colonies of "bigfeet."  Their reclusive nature seems to have evolved over centuries in response to human intrusion and accounts for their rarity.  One intriguing possibility is that the bigfeet are, as a species, thriving in secluded ecological niches in remote areas.  This is especially probable in light of the steady increase in sightings throughout the last century.

Try to educate yourself before you go trashing good science because you can't see beyond your own backyard.


Absolutely brilliant!
 
2013-03-12 11:29:14 AM  

untaken_name: Ishkur: L.D. Ablo: At least there's still phrenology.

My money's on phlogistan.

It's making a comeback, I swear.

That's "phlogiston". When using technical scientific terms, it's extremely important to be precise.



'Phlogistinator'.  And it's spectacular.

media.giantbomb.com
 
2013-03-12 11:46:58 AM  
We should not call them `planets` because planet means `wandering star` and they are not stars.

Stop showing your ignorance of orbital mechanics!
 
2013-03-12 12:17:54 PM  
New Age hippie bullshiat you say?

i4.ytimg.com

"You're eating too much dairy."
 
2013-03-12 12:26:30 PM  
Sounds to me like TFAuthor doesn't quite get Kepler's Laws.

The planet's elliptical orbit means its progress past the sun speeds and slows. Taking a sharp curve can make one leg of the journey round the sun take forever, while during the shallow stretches of the elliptical orbit it can zoom past a section of sun.

Sounds to me like she's envisioning the Sun situated at the center of the ellipse, not at one of its foci. The slow point is at one of the "pointy ends", and the fastest point is at the other "pointy end", the one nearest the Sun.
 
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