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2013-03-11 09:05:04 PM
Yep, it's not aliens.
 
2013-03-11 09:16:04 PM
fringe academic paper vs blog

FIGHT!

The Winner by Knock Out is re-runs of Archer.

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2013-03-11 09:21:25 PM
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2013-03-11 10:05:25 PM

doglover: fringe academic paper vs blog

FIGHT!


Science frowns on your ad hominem shenanigans.
 
2013-03-11 10:15:50 PM

meanmutton: doglover: fringe academic paper vs blog

FIGHT!

Science frowns on your ad hominem shenanigans.


No it doesn't.

Science of Laughter

Science of Animation

Science of Boobs
 
2013-03-11 10:22:26 PM
FTA In a nutshell, they don't establish the samples they examined were actually meteorites. They don't establish they were from the claimed meteor event over Sri Lanka in December 2012.

The only way they could do that to your satisfaction is to have you personally there watching the rock from it being found to it being tested. And even then you'd suggest they planted the rock before finding it.
 
2013-03-11 11:25:48 PM
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Man you all are slipping
 
2013-03-11 11:28:49 PM

doglover: fringe academic paper vs blog


BSABSVQuack?

/Oh, and Archer sucks.
 
2013-03-11 11:31:17 PM
Fine, let's compromise.

The Boob Nebula
 
2013-03-11 11:43:51 PM

J. Frank Parnell: FTA In a nutshell, they don't establish the samples they examined were actually meteorites. They don't establish they were from the claimed meteor event over Sri Lanka in December 2012.

The only way they could do that to your satisfaction is to have you personally there watching the rock from it being found to it being tested. And even then you'd suggest they planted the rock before finding it.


Maybe he would but they still could have at least pretended to verify the pieces were from the meteorite they were claiming it was with no proof.

If that was the only questionable aspect of this discovery I'd probably be inclined to think there was something to it. But combined with the other shady things about this, I'm guessing it isn't aliens.
 
2013-03-11 11:55:02 PM

js34603: Maybe he would but they still could have at least pretended to verify the pieces were from the meteorite they were claiming it was with no proof.


But it's safe to just take an institution like NASA at their word, right?

I'm not sure what kind of verification methods are possible aside from what i suggested already.
 
2013-03-12 12:19:16 AM

doglover: fringe academic paper vs blog


Phil Plait holds a PhD in astronomy and was part of the Hubble team at NASA for ten years.  He is an expert in his field.  Bad Astronomy should not just be lumped in with all the doofuses spewing their thoughts onto LiveJournal at three in the morning.
 
2013-03-12 12:25:38 AM

Lachwen: doglover: fringe academic paper vs blog

Phil Plait holds a PhD in astronomy and was part of the Hubble team at NASA for ten years.  He is an expert in his field.  Bad Astronomy should not just be lumped in with all the doofuses spewing their thoughts onto LiveJournal at three in the morning.


This is true - thank you - but Wickramasinghe is also a holder of a PhD. Degrees mean little; evidence is everything. And that's precisely what this paper does not bring to the table.
 
2013-03-12 12:39:11 AM

IlGreven: doglover: fringe academic paper vs blog

BSABSVQuack?

/Oh, and Archer sucks.


Wait..what? I..I don't even...this isn't one of those subjective opinion things, man. Archer's hillarity is a universal truth.
 
2013-03-12 12:54:37 AM

The Bad Astronomer: This is true - thank you - but Wickramasinghe is also a holder of a PhD. Degrees mean little; evidence is everything. And that's precisely what this paper does not bring to the table.


Which is why you shouldn't even engage, man.

We should be drumming up popular support to drill Europa so hard it's momma feels it, not listening to people who can't even identify a meteorite properly in a formal paper.

Some kind of plutonium powered mega-probe with 200km of cable and a submersible drill on the end and broadcast unit on the top.

If people are super convinced we're gonna find Jovian bass and flounder they'll chip in to support the mission. The flight to Europa and drilling process will take so long, they'll forget by the time it happens if there are no aliens. But if there are aliens, everything astronomy has done up till now will be as nothing in comparison. Mars probes are cool, but even the coolest jet engine can't make geology not boring. But alien aquatic life? Best stuff EVAR.
 
2013-03-12 01:35:56 AM

J. Frank Parnell: I'm not sure what kind of verification methods are possible aside from what i suggested already.


Really? Because the article states a couple (and implies more). Plus, they haven't given samples to anyone else to verify their findings. It seems at the very least a little circumspect.
 
2013-03-12 03:09:20 AM

hawcian: Really? Because the article states a couple (and implies more).


They did the oxygen isotope analysis, which they probably thought was enough, but he casts doubt on that. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on prepping it properly. There could be similar doubts cast on any test, really. What he says about silica is interesting, but if this is truly the first meteorite publicly studied with signs of life on it, it's not hard to imagine it having other unique qualities from its environment.

The only way to truly satisfy any possible doubt would be to see it land and watch it all the way to the test, and even then you might get someone dreaming up a theory about it being a terrestrial rock hurled into the sky or even orbit by a volcano or something. The lengths some people go to in order to deny life outside of Earth are often more hard to believe than life simply existing elsewhere.
 
2013-03-12 10:21:55 AM

The Bad Astronomer: Lachwen: doglover: fringe academic paper vs blog

Phil Plait holds a PhD in astronomy and was part of the Hubble team at NASA for ten years.  He is an expert in his field.  Bad Astronomy should not just be lumped in with all the doofuses spewing their thoughts onto LiveJournal at three in the morning.

This is true - thank you - but Wickramasinghe is also a holder of a PhD. Degrees mean little; evidence is everything. And that's precisely what this paper does not bring to the table.


The guy who I think used to (or still does?) edit the journal of cosmology (and publishes a lot in the Journal of Cosmology with Wickramasinghe) is at Harvard.  Bonus: he also appeared on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory, and.... let's just say it was more than a little crazy.
 
2013-03-12 05:14:54 PM

The Bad Astronomer: Lachwen: doglover: fringe academic paper vs blog

Phil Plait holds a PhD in astronomy and was part of the Hubble team at NASA for ten years.  He is an expert in his field.  Bad Astronomy should not just be lumped in with all the doofuses spewing their thoughts onto LiveJournal at three in the morning.

This is true - thank you - but Wickramasinghe is also a holder of a PhD. Degrees mean little; evidence is everything. And that's precisely what this paper does not bring to the table.


Oh, you laid that out quite clearly!  I was upset by doglover's implication that Bad Astronomy is somehow untrustworthy simply because it's a blog.  There are certainly a lot of blogs out there that shouldn't be taken at face value, but yours isn't one of them, precisely because you always back up what you say with evidence.
 
2013-03-13 06:17:12 AM

IlGreven: doglover: fringe academic paper vs blog

BSABSVQuack?

/Oh, and Archer sucks.


Sometimes it is possible to have an objectively wrong opinion.
 
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