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2013-03-11 08:41:43 PM
But do they contain potassium benzoate?
 
2013-03-11 08:54:34 PM
Is this the thread where we explain the water cycle?
 
2013-03-11 09:09:16 PM

doyner: Is this the thread where we explain the water cycle?


Don't bother with facts, the derpers will be along shortly to show they don't know any.
 
2013-03-11 09:23:45 PM
It's almost as if things can have positive and negative effects at the same time.
 
2013-03-11 09:42:54 PM
The Bible doesn't say anything about global warming.

Therefore global warming is a religion.
 
2013-03-11 09:42:54 PM
Mother Nature is trolling mankind.

/and everything else alive on Earth.
 
2013-03-11 09:45:35 PM
I hear claims of global warming and yet it snowed here the other day. Take THAT, Science.
 
2013-03-11 09:46:23 PM
When Michael Bloomberg started a public campaign to confuse weather with climate, any rational thought was over at that point. "SANDY IS CLIMATE CHANGE, PAY US BILLIONS"

*sigh*
 
2013-03-11 09:46:41 PM

Mentat: It's almost as if things can have positive and negative effects at the same time.


Or that the weather doesn't give a rat's ass about inane human concepts like "good" or "bad" and it just "is" even if what it is is something we made it.
 
2013-03-11 09:47:02 PM
i229.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-11 09:47:15 PM
Hmm, it's as if the climate is somehow changing.

I wonder if it is some kind of cycle.
 
2013-03-11 09:49:51 PM

doyner: Is this the thread where we explain the water cycle?


Now people want to ride their bikes in the lakes????

I bet they won't portage the no-wake zones, either!!!!
 
2013-03-11 09:51:08 PM
More weather, more change, more turmoil.

Ever notice somehow the most life and growth is just at the outer edge of the surf where the energy release is highest and where the cold and warm currents collide?
 
2013-03-11 09:59:40 PM

WhoopAssWayne: When Michael Bloomberg started a public campaign to confuse weather with climate, any rational thought was over at that point. "SANDY IS CLIMATE CHANGE, PAY US BILLIONS"

*sigh*


Weather is a function of climate, so it is perfectly acceptable to talk about weather in the context of climate change.
 
2013-03-11 10:05:49 PM
Don't worry, the gorillas will simply freeze to death.

Mentat: WhoopAssWayne: When Michael Bloomberg started a public campaign to confuse weather with climate, any rational thought was over at that point. "SANDY IS CLIMATE CHANGE, PAY US BILLIONS"

*sigh*

Weather is a function of climate, so it is perfectly acceptable to talk about weather in the context of climate change.


True, however in terms of climate change it's acceptable to talk about long term data showing a clear trend toward more severe storms, not CLIMATE CHANGE DID THIS. It didn't.  It just made it far, far, far more likely to occur.  With all the goddamn derp out there, it's important to spell that out exactly.  Otherwise you're just gonna get more crap like this

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2013-03-11 10:06:06 PM
Here in eastern Nebraska it's been so dry, first the grass turned brown, then it died, then it turned to dust and BLEW AWAY.  Then it was bare dirt.  then the dirt got cracks in it.
 
2013-03-11 10:08:45 PM
Global Warming is making deer thrive and they must be killed with no limits.  If its brown it's down.  Female deer preferably so they cannot have fawns.

But Global Warming is not helping seas creatures.   So don't eat any fish.

Just trying to help.
 
2013-03-11 10:11:03 PM

doyner: Is this the thread where we explain the water cycle?


Don't go talking about the water cycle to the people who believe global warming will cause global drought. They'll call you 'anti science'.
 
2013-03-11 10:20:17 PM
Having lived in Northeast Ohio for most of my life, the reality of a drought was a bit beyond my comprehension. I knew what it was, but it wasn't until I was here in South Dakota last summer that the reality of what it meant to farmers hit me. When I flew back to Ohio in July for a brief visit, I remember the plane taxiing down the runway in Rapid City, the Black Hills were brown with dead grass. Flying east the landscape steadily became greener. Landing in Cleveland, I saw beautiful trees and green grass. It was really a marked change, and one that helped to solidify my understanding of just how bad it was.

That, and helping to put out a wildfire that was destroying the parched crop on one of the farms out here. Seeing a fire tear through a dry wheat field is terrifying, not to mention helps to put the fear of God into someone.

/css
//not really
 
2013-03-11 10:26:02 PM

NeverDrunk23: I hear claims of global warming and yet it snowed here the other day. Take THAT, Science.


i1275.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-11 10:29:48 PM
www.laughingplace.com
 
2013-03-11 10:31:50 PM
The pile of ice on my kitchen floor is all the proof I need that the freezer is working. If it wasn't, how do you explain the ice? You can't.


/checkmate
//king me.
 
2013-03-11 10:33:54 PM
It's weather. Weird weather happens in cycles. Always has, always will. Get the fark over it.
 
2013-03-11 10:35:56 PM

Sgygus: Mother Nature is trolling mankind.

/and everything else alive on Earth.


In all fairness, thin-skinned revolutionaries like the AGW movement are incredibly easy to troll.

/random strangers making eye contact on the street troll them hard enough to send them into fits of athsmatic rage
 
2013-03-11 10:36:12 PM

John Buck 41: It's weather. Weird weather happens in cycles. Always has, always will. Get the fark over it.


Or just get a copy of the Farmers' Almanac.
 
2013-03-11 10:36:38 PM

J. Frank Parnell: doyner: Is this the thread where we explain the water cycle?

Don't go talking about the water cycle to the people who believe global warming will cause global drought. They'll call you 'anti science'.


Unlike you, the people who believe global warming will cause global drought know the difference between "global" and "universal" - that "global drought" doesn't mean it rains less everywhere throughout the whole year any more than "global warming" means it gets hotter everywhere all the time.
 
2013-03-11 10:43:42 PM
Incidentally, this is the first I've heard of "global drought". I did hear that it might exacerbate drought conditions in specific arid regions, but I don't recall anyone claiming that global net precipitation would decline. I could simply have missed it, of course.
 
2013-03-11 10:44:59 PM
Here in Estes Park, in the Rocky Mountains at 8,000ft above sea level, we have only gotten a total snow fall of about 10 inches this winter.  Last year I think we got 18.   We usually average 33.   Our mountain drainage feeds both the Pacific bound lakes, rivers, creeks etc.., and then the same for Gulf Coast.  We didn't drain much the year before last, last year, and this year is going to be sad too.   You think the wildfires in the west were bad last year.. just you wait.
 
2013-03-11 10:47:17 PM

Slam1263: Hmm, it's as if the climate is somehow changing.

I wonder if it is some kind of cycle.


Unpossible.  A cycle might mean we had nothing to do with it.
 
2013-03-11 10:52:06 PM

santadog: Here in Estes Park, in the Rocky Mountains at 8,000ft above sea level, we have only gotten a total snow fall of about 10 inches this winter.  Last year I think we got 18.   We usually average 33.   Our mountain drainage feeds both the Pacific bound lakes, rivers, creeks etc.., and then the same for Gulf Coast.  We didn't drain much the year before last, last year, and this year is going to be sad too.   You think the wildfires in the west were bad last year.. just you wait.


In western canada we've had a metric farkload of snow. So some gain some lose.
 
2013-03-11 10:53:08 PM
Is it so inconceivable that "we" are causing the cycle to cycle more rapidly than it would have "naturally".. and I mean naturally without human intervention, and I do know that Humans are part of nature..etc.
 
2013-03-11 10:54:37 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: santadog: Here in Estes Park, in the Rocky Mountains at 8,000ft above sea level, we have only gotten a total snow fall of about 10 inches this winter.  Last year I think we got 18.   We usually average 33.   Our mountain drainage feeds both the Pacific bound lakes, rivers, creeks etc.., and then the same for Gulf Coast.  We didn't drain much the year before last, last year, and this year is going to be sad too.   You think the wildfires in the west were bad last year.. just you wait.

In western canada we've had a metric farkload of snow. So some gain some lose.


That just means the weather pattern is not making it over the Rockys.  Your weather becomes ours quite often.
 
2013-03-11 11:00:25 PM

J. Frank Parnell: John Buck 41: It's weather. Weird weather happens in cycles. Always has, always will. Get the fark over it.

Or just get a copy of the Farmers' Almanac.


Exactly.
 
2013-03-11 11:04:34 PM
Wait... New England was in a drought? They've been the ones getting hammered by snowstorms. Here in the midwest it was a very lackluster winter precipitation-wise until February rolled around. Even then, one month of above-average totals does not a drought break.

/if we get above-average rainfall until the middle of June, then we'll talk about drought busting
 
2013-03-11 11:07:18 PM

Mentat: It's almost as if things can have positive and negative effects at the same time.


So, is we bad humans, or is we good humans?
 
2013-03-11 11:08:58 PM

Nytfall: Slam1263: Hmm, it's as if the climate is somehow changing.

I wonder if it is some kind of cycle.

Unpossible.  A cycle might mean we had nothing to do with it.


You better start praying that it is only a cycle then. Can't let them ebil scientists with all their book lernin' be right!!

That is how you address problems right? Praying instead of actually helping?
 
2013-03-11 11:11:35 PM

germ78: Wait... New England was in a drought? They've been the ones getting hammered by snowstorms. Here in the midwest it was a very lackluster winter precipitation-wise until February rolled around. Even then, one month of above-average totals does not a drought break.

/if we get above-average rainfall until the middle of June, then we'll talk about drought busting


It's not just volume of waterfall. How rapidly the rain comes down matters too. Large storms that pass quickly and dump a lot of rain don't necessarily saturate deeply into the soil or fill underground aquifers because much of the volume is lost to run off. The rivers may swell, but the soil doesn't necessarily get watered deeply. The ideal situation for most areas is a gentle soaking rain that lingers.
 
2013-03-11 11:16:35 PM

Mithiwithi: "global drought" doesn't mean it rains less everywhere throughout the whole year any more than "global warming" means it gets hotter everywhere all the time.


Well, there have always been droughts in different places from year to year. Farmers have lived in fear of them since we first started farming thousands of years ago. There can't be any more droughts than there has always been because of the water cycle. Water can't just disappear. After enough of it goes up it has to come down. And similarly, it's always been hotter and colder different places each year. The climate has and always will change.

So what are we supposed to be afraid of, exactly?
 
2013-03-11 11:16:38 PM

Farking Canuck: Nytfall: Slam1263: Hmm, it's as if the climate is somehow changing.

I wonder if it is some kind of cycle.

Unpossible.  A cycle might mean we had nothing to do with it.

You better start praying that it is only a cycle then. Can't let them ebil scientists with all their book lernin' be right!!

That is how you address problems right? Praying instead of actually helping?


Is it really a choice between praying and actually helping? And if so, how does one 'actually help'?
 
2013-03-11 11:19:13 PM
Global Warming, ehh, climate change, there is nothing that it can't be blamed for.

It also caused the sequester and the janitors getting fired.
 
2013-03-11 11:19:45 PM

Anastacya: Having lived in Northeast Ohio for most of my life, the reality of a drought was a bit beyond my comprehension. I knew what it was, but it wasn't until I was here in South Dakota last summer that the reality of what it meant to farmers hit me. When I flew back to Ohio in July for a brief visit, I remember the plane taxiing down the runway in Rapid City, the Black Hills were brown with dead grass. Flying east the landscape steadily became greener. Landing in Cleveland, I saw beautiful trees and green grass. It was really a marked change, and one that helped to solidify my understanding of just how bad it was.

That, and helping to put out a wildfire that was destroying the parched crop on one of the farms out here. Seeing a fire tear through a dry wheat field is terrifying, not to mention helps to put the fear of God into someone.

/css
//not really


It's called the rain shadow of the rockies.  Brown grass in the high plains is normal for July.
 
2013-03-11 11:21:03 PM
canisbonus.com
 
2013-03-11 11:23:05 PM

GORDON: Anastacya: Having lived in Northeast Ohio for most of my life, the reality of a drought was a bit beyond my comprehension. I knew what it was, but it wasn't until I was here in South Dakota last summer that the reality of what it meant to farmers hit me. When I flew back to Ohio in July for a brief visit, I remember the plane taxiing down the runway in Rapid City, the Black Hills were brown with dead grass. Flying east the landscape steadily became greener. Landing in Cleveland, I saw beautiful trees and green grass. It was really a marked change, and one that helped to solidify my understanding of just how bad it was.

That, and helping to put out a wildfire that was destroying the parched crop on one of the farms out here. Seeing a fire tear through a dry wheat field is terrifying, not to mention helps to put the fear of God into someone.

/css
//not really

It's called the rain shadow of the rockies.  Brown grass in the high plains is normal for July.


I mean, you know Rapid City is really damned close to the Badlands, right?

Global Warming must be real, because I just drove through Death Valley and
 
2013-03-11 11:25:19 PM
I'm gonna go ahead and suggest that the drought is bad regardless of what caused it.
 
2013-03-11 11:26:57 PM

santadog: Here in Estes Park, in the Rocky Mountains at 8,000ft above sea level, we have only gotten a total snow fall of about 10 inches this winter.  Last year I think we got 18.   We usually average 33.   Our mountain drainage feeds both the Pacific bound lakes, rivers, creeks etc.., and then the same for Gulf Coast.  We didn't drain much the year before last, last year, and this year is going to be sad too.   You think the wildfires in the west were bad last year.. just you wait.


I've said it before and I'll say it again: the next great battles will be over water. Maybe not wars, but just watch what happens when Phoenix, Las Vegas and Los Angeles can't get the water they need.
 
2013-03-11 11:28:21 PM
I figure if Richard Muller says the evidence for anthropogenic global warming is decisive, then it's probably decisive.
 
2013-03-11 11:28:23 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Mithiwithi: "global drought" doesn't mean it rains less everywhere throughout the whole year any more than "global warming" means it gets hotter everywhere all the time.

Well, there have always been droughts in different places from year to year. Farmers have lived in fear of them since we first started farming thousands of years ago. There can't be any more droughts than there has always been because of the water cycle. Water can't just disappear. After enough of it goes up it has to come down. And similarly, it's always been hotter and colder different places each year. The climate has and always will change.

So what are we supposed to be afraid of, exactly?


You are really asking this question?  Just because there might be the same average amount of rainfall falling in a year (and I have no idea if that hypothesis is true) doesn't mean that the rain that falls is useful to crops.  The rain could fall on a forest or mountain range where crops just can't grow.  Or it could fall all at once and wash away the topsoil, destroying farmland.  Unpredictable weather means farmers can't plan what to plant in any given year, and so they may lose their whole crop because they didn't get rain for a whole month, and then 5 inches of rain fell on the already-dead corn.

If it keeps going this way, we're going to have to change our farming systems pretty dramatically in favor of diversity in crops (as opposed to monocropping, which is what we do now).  It will mean higher food prices and shortages that will affect poor people.  And huge sections of our economy (such as the economies of whole states) relies on the health of the agriculture industry, so the reverberations will be felt in every other sector.

So no, you probably won't die of famine.  But it'll suck.
 
2013-03-11 11:29:23 PM
This just in, Global Warming causes extreme weather events which can lead to extreme moments where areas on the planet experience extreme moments from drought to flood in normally where said areas wouldn't experience said weather.

News at 11, to you Ollie Wiliams with the weather

ITS HOT!
 
2013-03-11 11:35:34 PM
Subby sounds like a Climate Change DENIER

www.jesusneverexisted.com
 
2013-03-11 11:39:42 PM

TaterTot_HotDish: Here in eastern Nebraska it's been so dry, first the grass turned brown, then it died, then it turned to dust and BLEW AWAY.  Then it was bare dirt.  then the dirt got cracks in it.


It's almost as though arid grasslands are occasionally arid.
 
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