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2013-03-11 09:03:20 PM  
I know how NFL trades generally work, but I still find it hard to believe that the Ravens couldn't get more than a 6th rounder for Boldin.
 
2013-03-11 09:16:00 PM  

FreakinB: I know how NFL trades generally work, but I still find it hard to believe that the Ravens couldn't get more than a 6th rounder for Boldin.


It's not that they couldn't, they just took the better of two offers (Minny put up a 7th round pick). That, and they wanted to Send A Message to Boldin. A message that may yet backfire on the Ravens.
 
2013-03-11 09:18:50 PM  
49ers scored. I think Seattle... I don't know, I like Harvin, but I worry that the guy's going to have injury troubles for his career, and they gave up a first rounder and change for him.
 
2013-03-11 09:18:53 PM  
Hmmm...interesting.  Shocking that they traded Boldin but simply put the Ravens outmaneuvered him.
 
2013-03-11 09:22:33 PM  
Son of a Biatch!

As someone who despises the niners this is bad news
 
2013-03-11 09:25:10 PM  

puffy999: 49ers scored. I think Seattle... I don't know, I like Harvin, but I worry that the guy's going to have injury troubles for his career, and they gave up a first rounder and change for him.


You can afford it a little more to burn first rounders when you find your franchise QB.  That said, Harvin was worth a 2 and a 4 - and Spielman really does not want to make a habit of siding with Ponder over his actually talented players.
 
2013-03-11 09:26:28 PM  

puffy999: 49ers scored. I think Seattle... I don't know, I like Harvin, but I worry that the guy's going to have injury troubles for his career, and they gave up a first rounder and change for him.


Seahawks gave up too much considering Harvin was being actively shopped.  Frankly, the whole trade baffles me from Seattle's perspective.  A 1/4/7 for an undersized guy that's got a history of injury issues, attitude issues, and doesn't seem like the kind of player that will age well...maybe their WR situation is more desperate than I thought (admittedly not a serious Seahawks follower).  Plus Harvin will eat cap space going forward when you could've had a 1st rounder on the rookie pay scale.

What am I missing?
 
2013-03-11 09:26:36 PM  
I'm glad the 49ers took a stab at getting one of the older Ravens players.
 
2013-03-11 09:27:05 PM  

mikaloyd: Son of a Biatch!

As someone who despises the niners this is bad news

 
2013-03-11 09:28:46 PM  

UNC_Samurai: You can afford it a little more to burn first rounders when you find your franchise QB.


If Harvin stays healthy, with that group around him, he'll probably be worth it.
 
2013-03-11 09:34:20 PM  
The Ravens had reportedly asked Boldin to take a pay cut to help the team with its salary-cap situation. 

Yeah, ask your lead receiver to take a pay cut so that you can give Joe Flacco the largest NFL contract ever...
 
2013-03-11 09:34:24 PM  

regindyn: Seahawks gave up too much considering Harvin was being actively shopped. Frankly, the whole trade baffles me from Seattle's perspective. A 1/4/7 for an undersized guy that's got a history of injury issues, attitude issues, and doesn't seem like the kind of player that will age well...maybe their WR situation is more desperate than I thought (admittedly not a serious Seahawks follower). Plus Harvin will eat cap space going forward when you could've had a 1st rounder on the rookie pay scale.

What am I missing?


Their offense could be the most dynamic in the NFL with Wilson, Lynch, Harvin, Rice, and Tate on the field, because they could literally run an option where the ball could go to any single one of those players (and they'd probably put Harvin in the backfield from time to time). Harvin could spell Washington returning punts and kicks.

However, I think they needed a bit more size outside, not a better explosive athlete. And all of the concerns regarding injury and attitude are valid.
 
2013-03-11 09:47:09 PM  

mikaloyd: Son of a Biatch!

As someone who despises the niners this is bad news


This, but Boldin has said he'd rather retire than play anywhere else. Let's see if he stands by that.
 
2013-03-11 09:47:59 PM  
This offseason just keeps getting better and better. They severely overpay Succo, they give away his best receiver, and Mr. Stabby is gone (unfortunately not upstate where he belongs).

I'm loving this.
 
2013-03-11 09:55:12 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: This offseason just keeps getting better and better. They severely overpay Succo, they give away his best receiver, and Mr. Stabby is gone (unfortunately not upstate where he belongs).

I'm loving this.


I'm finding it hard to fault them for the Flacco contract. Even throwing aside the Super Bowl win, who else were they going to get even remotely as good? And I'm sure some other QB will sign for more in the not-too-distant future. Looking at you, Post-2014 Aaron Rodgers.
 
2013-03-11 10:05:04 PM  

FreakinB: Adolf Oliver Nipples: This offseason just keeps getting better and better. They severely overpay Succo, they give away his best receiver, and Mr. Stabby is gone (unfortunately not upstate where he belongs).

I'm loving this.

I'm finding it hard to fault them for the Flacco contract. Even throwing aside the Super Bowl win, who else were they going to get even remotely as good? And I'm sure some other QB will sign for more in the not-too-distant future. Looking at you, Post-2014 Aaron Rodgers.


That's not the point. This (painfully admittedly) awesome offseason notwithstanding, he's getting all-time record money for what has been a decent but not exactly stellar career. They overpaid big time, and for what, his performance over the last 6 weeks of the season? They could have done worse, they probably couldn't have done better, but still, Flacco getting a bigger contract than Peyton Manning/Tom Brady/Drew Brees/a few others? Objectively he's not even the best quarterback in his division. Baltimore hamstrung themselves for a long time, and this is the first fallout from that.

Of course, I'm perfectly happy with that. I hope they win maybe 4 games a year for the remainder of their existence. That's probably too much to hope for, but if Torrey Smith fades or it is shown that his play looked good because teams were afraid of Boldin they're in big trouble. They'll put 8 in the box and eat Ray Rice alive while Succo throws dropped pass after dropped pass to lousy receivers because that's all they can afford.

It remains to be seen how it all pans out, but right now I'm smiling.
 
2013-03-11 10:06:07 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: This (painfully admittedly) awesome offseason postseason notwithstanding

...

FTFM.
 
2013-03-11 10:08:35 PM  
I'm glad the Steelers don't have to play him twice a year anymore.
 
2013-03-11 10:17:55 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: FreakinB: Adolf Oliver Nipples: This offseason just keeps getting better and better. They severely overpay Succo, they give away his best receiver, and Mr. Stabby is gone (unfortunately not upstate where he belongs).

I'm loving this.

I'm finding it hard to fault them for the Flacco contract. Even throwing aside the Super Bowl win, who else were they going to get even remotely as good? And I'm sure some other QB will sign for more in the not-too-distant future. Looking at you, Post-2014 Aaron Rodgers.

That's not the point. This (painfully admittedly) awesome offseason notwithstanding, he's getting all-time record money for what has been a decent but not exactly stellar career. They overpaid big time, and for what, his performance over the last 6 weeks of the season? They could have done worse, they probably couldn't have done better, but still, Flacco getting a bigger contract than Peyton Manning/Tom Brady/Drew Brees/a few others? Objectively he's not even the best quarterback in his division. Baltimore hamstrung themselves for a long time, and this is the first fallout from that.


I think it is the point though. Flacco had all the leverage. The downgrade from him to Alex Smith (the next-best available guy) is pretty big. And if you miss on Smith you're left with...what? Matt Cassel? Matt Barkley? Flacco may not be at the head of the QB class but he's at the very least above-average, which is a *lot* more than you can say for any of his potential replacements. And QB's are always going to be on a different scale salary-wise than other positions. It really was the perfect storm for Flacco, but I don't see what else the Ravens could have done.
 
2013-03-11 10:22:27 PM  

puffy999: 49ers scored. I think Seattle... I don't know, I like Harvin, but I worry that the guy's going to have injury troubles for his career, and they gave up a first rounder and change for him.


Before this year, he missed 3 games in 3 years.  Everyone spouting off about injury prone needs to do some goddamn fact checking.
 
2013-03-11 10:36:11 PM  
Leach will probably be another casualty, which I believe would put them around $20 million under the cap. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Ravens make a run at Amendola, depending on how things shake out with his contract demands. Jake Long could be a FA target too.

The Ravens will be fine. Ozzie's built two Superbowl-winning teams in his tenure. He knows what he's doing.
 
2013-03-11 10:52:39 PM  

Fade2black: puffy999: 49ers scored. I think Seattle... I don't know, I like Harvin, but I worry that the guy's going to have injury troubles for his career, and they gave up a first rounder and change for him.

Before this year, he missed 3 games in 3 years.  Everyone spouting off about injury prone needs to do some goddamn fact checking.


no dog in the fight, but I'll question that stat. How many games did he not finish? How many times did he go to the sideline with some sort of injury and missed a series or more, and how often was he not playing at 100%? Not sure if anything other than direct observation measures that, but when considering injury risk, I would measure that.

If he has to come out for a series or three every game, I would consider that injury prone.
 
2013-03-11 11:00:03 PM  

CaptainCampbell: Leach will probably be another casualty, which I believe would put them around $20 million under the cap. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Ravens make a run at Amendola, depending on how things shake out with his contract demands. Jake Long could be a FA target too.

The Ravens will be fine. Ozzie's built two Superbowl-winning teams in his tenure. He knows what he's doing.


If they were smart, they'd find a way to hold onto Leach. As the past few seasons have shown, a good fullback is still a big part of an elite run game, and he is likely the best lead blocker in the league right now.
 
2013-03-11 11:02:46 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: This offseason just keeps getting better and better. They severely overpay Succo, they give away his best receiver, and Mr. Stabby is gone (unfortunately not upstate where he belongs).

I'm loving this.


The thing is, the contract is not overpaying him. If they had franchised him (which they would have had to do if they hadn't signed him) would have counted about $15M against the cap this year. This contract lowers his cap numbers over the first 3 years to $6.8M in 2013, $14.8M in 2014 and $14.55M in 2015. The 2013 number is a bargain and the 2014 and 2015 numbers are comparable to other QBs. Most likely the contract will be restructured or extended after 2015 unless he does in fact stink up the joint in which case they will cut him because at that point the dead money is less than the cap hit.

As a Ravens fan I am fine with the contract. After the dozen years of QB carousel here I will take Flacco and his basically 3 year deal. I do think he will continue to improve because I think for the last 2 seasons his relationship w/Cameron has hindered his performance. I am curious to see what he does in a full season w/Caldwell as the OC since the offense was much better w/him running it.

As far as Boldin, I look at this pragmatically. This is no different than when they cut Heap a couple of years ago. They had drafted 2 tight ends to replace him and they needed to see if they would sink or swim. Two years ago they drafted Tandon Doss specifically because Flacco liked him and how he played. He is an over the middle slot receiver. The Ravens need to see if he is the next man up and if not he is gone and they move on. Don't forget a healthy Pitta and Dickson can cause havoc in the middle of the field like Boldin did. To me this is no different than what the Steepers and Pats do every year, which is cut/trade guys who are popular but are to the FO not worth the current cap number. Ozzie Newsome said that he would not let the team repeat what they did after winning SB XXXV and overpay to keep a team together when it will throw them into salary cap hell down the road.

If the Ravens had not signed Flacco to that contract someone else would have (the Chiefs could have waited on the Alex Smith trade and the Browns have plenty of cap room and a need at QB since they are apparently not sold on Weeden). The team did what it had to do. I think they will be able to re-sign Ellerbe and Reed, but Kruger will be gone to the highest bidder, who will be overpaying for him. He looks like another classic "flame out when he leaves Baltimore" defender to me. Time will tell.

As a Steelers fan I think you should be more worried about Roethlisberger and that contract of his. He restructured again to give them some relief but as far as I know they are still against the wall on the 2013 cap and those restructured deals will come back and bite a team in the ass if they aren't careful. By 2014 your guys might be in a lot worse place than my guys are right now.
 
2013-03-11 11:10:50 PM  

msupf: CaptainCampbell: Leach will probably be another casualty, which I believe would put them around $20 million under the cap. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Ravens make a run at Amendola, depending on how things shake out with his contract demands. Jake Long could be a FA target too.

The Ravens will be fine. Ozzie's built two Superbowl-winning teams in his tenure. He knows what he's doing.

If they were smart, they'd find a way to hold onto Leach. As the past few seasons have shown, a good fullback is still a big part of an elite run game, and he is likely the best lead blocker in the league right now.


I came here to say this.  Losing Leach would have a significant impact on Rice's running game.
 
2013-03-11 11:16:15 PM  
Ed Reed to the Niners, being flitted about here and there.
 
2013-03-11 11:27:56 PM  

neuroflare: mikaloyd: Son of a Biatch!

As someone who despises the niners this is bad news


...except for the part where I despise the Ravens even more.
 
2013-03-11 11:41:05 PM  
And now the Arizona Cardinals--the team traded him away for late-round draft picks that never amounted to anything--will get to play against him twice a year.
 
2013-03-11 11:42:25 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: This offseason just keeps getting better and better. They severely overpay Succo, they give away his best receiver, and Mr. Stabby is gone (unfortunately not upstate where he belongs).

I'm loving this.


Flacco's cap hit next year 6.8mil
Boldin's cap hit next year 7.1mil
 
2013-03-11 11:43:49 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: FreakinB: Adolf Oliver Nipples: This offseason just keeps getting better and better. They severely overpay Succo, they give away his best receiver, and Mr. Stabby is gone (unfortunately not upstate where he belongs).

I'm loving this.

I'm finding it hard to fault them for the Flacco contract. Even throwing aside the Super Bowl win, who else were they going to get even remotely as good? And I'm sure some other QB will sign for more in the not-too-distant future. Looking at you, Post-2014 Aaron Rodgers.

That's not the point. This (painfully admittedly) awesome offseason notwithstanding, he's getting all-time record money for what has been a decent but not exactly stellar career. They overpaid big time, and for what, his performance over the last 6 weeks of the season? They could have done worse, they probably couldn't have done better, but still, Flacco getting a bigger contract than Peyton Manning/Tom Brady/Drew Brees/a few others? Objectively he's not even the best quarterback in his division. Baltimore hamstrung themselves for a long time, and this is the first fallout from that.

Of course, I'm perfectly happy with that. I hope they win maybe 4 games a year for the remainder of their existence. That's probably too much to hope for, but if Torrey Smith fades or it is shown that his play looked good because teams were afraid of Boldin they're in big trouble. They'll put 8 in the box and eat Ray Rice alive while Succo throws dropped pass after dropped pass to lousy receivers because that's all they can afford.

It remains to be seen how it all pans out, but right now I'm smiling.


Yeah cause the Steelers off season looks so much better...
 
2013-03-11 11:47:00 PM  

FreakinB: Adolf Oliver Nipples: This offseason just keeps getting better and better. They severely overpay Succo, they give away his best receiver, and Mr. Stabby is gone (unfortunately not upstate where he belongs).

I'm loving this.

I'm finding it hard to fault them for the Flacco contract. Even throwing aside the Super Bowl win, who else were they going to get even remotely as good? And I'm sure some other QB will sign for more in the not-too-distant future. Looking at you, Post-2014 Aaron Rodgers.


Trent Dilfer.
 
2013-03-11 11:56:49 PM  

puffy999: regindyn: Seahawks gave up too much considering Harvin was being actively shopped. Frankly, the whole trade baffles me from Seattle's perspective. A 1/4/7 for an undersized guy that's got a history of injury issues, attitude issues, and doesn't seem like the kind of player that will age well...maybe their WR situation is more desperate than I thought (admittedly not a serious Seahawks follower). Plus Harvin will eat cap space going forward when you could've had a 1st rounder on the rookie pay scale.

What am I missing?

Their offense could be the most dynamic in the NFL with Wilson, Lynch, Harvin, Rice, and Tate on the field...


DOUG BALDWIN

/everyone forgets Baldwin
//big game clutch receiver
///GO HAWKS
 
2013-03-12 12:04:00 AM  
What's the NFL axiom? It's better to lose a player a year too early than a year too late? Boldin and Reed are a year or two away from retirement and they've got their rings and looking to maximize remaining earnings. Ravens aren't dummies. They've got 12 draft picks now.
 
2013-03-12 12:06:32 AM  
That said, if the Ravens lose Reed, I hope he comes back to them as a secondary coach. He'll be a great one.
 
2013-03-12 12:28:32 AM  

msupf: Fade2black: puffy999: 49ers scored. I think Seattle... I don't know, I like Harvin, but I worry that the guy's going to have injury troubles for his career, and they gave up a first rounder and change for him.

Before this year, he missed 3 games in 3 years.  Everyone spouting off about injury prone needs to do some goddamn fact checking.

no dog in the fight, but I'll question that stat. How many games did he not finish? How many times did he go to the sideline with some sort of injury and missed a series or more, and how often was he not playing at 100%?


The answer to those questions is "more than a couple times." He's an absolute beast when he's healthy, but a few years ago he and Randy Moss were teammates for about 4 weeks and I wonder if some of Randy's attitude rubbed off on Percy.
 
2013-03-12 01:08:19 AM  
Seahawk fan.

I say meh to this trade. Boldin replaces Moss who was slow and had great hands when he wanted to. Boldin is slow and has great hands. It's an upgrade but not a huge one.

As for the Seahawks getting Harvin I am ecstatic. I am Ok with them giving away a 1st rounder for him too. Not that they care what I think. PCJS seem to do just find finding talent in the later rounds and they still retain I believe 9 picks for this year's draft.

The Rams have a ton f draft picks from the RGIII trade.

The Cards are the Cards.

Love how tough the NFC West is going to be next year.
 
2013-03-12 01:25:48 AM  

Triumph: That said, if the Ravens lose Reed, I hope he comes back to them as a secondary coach. He'll be a great one.


Reed would more likely be a high school / college coach.  He prefers working with kids from what I've noticed.
 
2013-03-12 02:13:47 AM  

Fade2black: Before this year, he missed 3 games in 3 years. Everyone spouting off about injury prone needs to do some goddamn fact checking.


He's young and plays too hard, is smaller than Reggie Bush, he has headaches, and he has attitude problems.

So, yeah, I doubt he plays in 16 games this season.
 
2013-03-12 02:31:21 AM  
WTF
 
2013-03-12 02:33:44 AM  
I love Boldin and I hate to see him go, but I felt the same about Heap and I think that played in our favor. Im also okay with Reed going. We need to get younger or we're going to start looking like the Steelers.
 
2013-03-12 06:47:31 AM  

regindyn: puffy999: 49ers scored. I think Seattle... I don't know, I like Harvin, but I worry that the guy's going to have injury troubles for his career, and they gave up a first rounder and change for him.

Seahawks gave up too much considering Harvin was being actively shopped.  Frankly, the whole trade baffles me from Seattle's perspective.  A 1/4/7 for an undersized guy that's got a history of injury issues, attitude issues, and doesn't seem like the kind of player that will age well...maybe their WR situation is more desperate than I thought (admittedly not a serious Seahawks follower).  Plus Harvin will eat cap space going forward when you could've had a 1st rounder on the rookie pay scale.

What am I missing?


I'm not sure where this legend came from: Harvin only missed three games in his first three years.
 
2013-03-12 08:14:18 AM  
I also have to say I wonder where Harvin's "bad attitude" legend came from.  Not to get too controversial, but I notice that it is usually the black players who have "attitude."  Think about it: when was the last time a white player was depicted in the media as being "bad"?  All I can think of is Peyton Hillis, but he never had the "bad attitude" tag placed on him; the media just portrayed him as a bit self-centered and a dullard.  They went out of their way to have his friends give interviews talking about what a great guy he was, etc.

 It strikes me as ironic: when Favre worked with Childress, he was, by all reports, an absolute dick.  He yelled at Childress, he changed Childress's plays, he openly criticized him.  Yet Harvin criticizes Childress, and he becomes a "bad" guy.  I wonder ...
 
2013-03-12 09:08:58 AM  
As a 49ers fan, I'm all for this. He's going to give more production than a 6th round pick. And he's good insurance if Manningham doesn't come back well or Jenkins doesn't develop. And if he's not working out by the end of training camp, there won't be a cap hit if he's cut. I don't see this as any different from the Brandon Jacobs signing last year.
 
2013-03-12 09:17:52 AM  

puffy999: UNC_Samurai: You can afford it a little more to burn first rounders when you find your franchise QB.

If Harvin stays healthy, with that group around him, he'll probably be worth it.


Seems like Minnesota were just not willing to deal with the headache.
 
2013-03-12 09:28:39 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: It strikes me as ironic: when Favre worked with Childress, he was, by all reports, an absolute dick.  He yelled at Childress, he changed Childress's plays, he openly criticized him.  Yet Harvin criticizes Childress, and he becomes a "bad" guy.  I wonder ...


Yup. Attitude is really dependent on the boss. In my military days, I was reprimanded for having a "bad attitude" when I had a dumbass boss who ordered me to do dumb sh*t that not only was dumb sh*t, it was dumb sh*t that literally didn't have to be done by anybody and wouldn't have improved anything by having been done. So I have a bad attitude because I told her it was stupid.

Then, when I've had competent bosses, I'm considered one of the best workers they've had.

Gotta love the Percy Harvin target depth stats. With Favre: 9.7, 9.0 yards downfield. With Ponder: 5.7, 4.1 yards downfield. FFS, man, let him run SOMEthing that isn't a slant/screen.

regindyn: Frankly, the whole trade baffles me from Seattle's perspective.  A 1/4/7 for an undersized guy that's got a history of injury issues, attitude issues, and doesn't seem like the kind of player that will age well...maybe their WR situation is more desperate than I thought (admittedly not a serious Seahawks follower).  Plus Harvin will eat cap space going forward when you could've had a 1st rounder on the rookie pay scale.


a) cap space is not a concern this year - it's better to bring someone in and frontload the cap space now, rather than continue to have everyone develop and have to pay everyone all at once. After this year, a few big contracts come off the books and we can renegotiate or seek out value for those positions while paying the talent we've developed.
b) we're in a championship window right now; we were the top-rated team for the year in advanced statistics; imagine if we had a WR that was consistently open the way Harvin is
c) Harvin is 24 years old; just because he's been in the league for four years doesn't mean he's old - he's the same age as many people who will be drafted, but has proven himself in the NFL.
d) "attitude problems" are often horsesh*t, especially if they're confined within a locker room. We trust our coaching staff.
e) for all the success we've had in the draft, the first round hasn't been a place where we've gotten the most production. If we drafted, we were probably going to take Tavon Austin, who is even smaller and is considered a "poor man's" Percy Harvin. So why not just get the real thing?
f) our WR situation has been a weak point of the team for the whole time we've been in the NFC.
 
2013-03-12 09:32:12 AM  
Oh, and as for the headaches:

That's part of his supposed "attitude problem," his coach thought he was faking headaches to get out of things. So there are two lines of thought with this:

a) he WAS faking migraines, which means that the attitude problems are legitimate (and the headaches might magically disappear once he's here), OR
b) he WASN'T faking migraines, which means that Frazier is a dick and the "attitude problems" not only may not be as serious as people are thinking, but might be justified.

So either way, the attitude/injury issues probably aren't as great as people are making them out to be.

/when AD reacts the way he did on Twitter, seems like Harvin wasn't really the problem he was made out to be
 
2013-03-12 09:36:44 AM  

SuperChuck: As a 49ers fan, I'm all for this. He's going to give more production than a 6th round pick. And he's good insurance if Manningham doesn't come back well or Jenkins doesn't develop. And if he's not working out by the end of training camp, there won't be a cap hit if he's cut. I don't see this as any different from the Brandon Jacobs signing last year.


When I heard about this trade, my inner sports fan wept - Boldin is basically The Guy you want as WR. He's big, he catches EVERYTHING (Ev-a-ree-thang? Ev-a-ree-thang.), and he's not sub-4.4 speed, but he's fast enough that you can't cover him with a nickel-back and a good enough route-runner that single-coverage won't work for long. Worth more than a 6th-rounder.

Thing is, how many more elite years does Boldin have? He was in the Superbowl 4 years ago (3 seasons) and the upcoming year will be Year 11 of his career (he was ROY in 03). So sure, this season, a 6th-rounder likely means jack, but what about next season? The season after?

Baltimore may be losing the battle to win the war, and with the amount of talent they have (assuming Boldin's real value wasn't in stealing the defense's focus, making everyone else look good), they can plug in someone else's #2 or #3 guy, elevate Torrey Smith to #1 (which is a reach for him at this point), and use Pitta/Dickson as a second slot guy (with Doss or whoever else - Pitta's basically a slow slot receiver anyway).

// or is this the story I tell myself as a Ravens fan to make myself feel better?
 
2013-03-12 09:46:39 AM  

Dr Dreidel: SuperChuck: As a 49ers fan, I'm all for this. He's going to give more production than a 6th round pick. And he's good insurance if Manningham doesn't come back well or Jenkins doesn't develop. And if he's not working out by the end of training camp, there won't be a cap hit if he's cut. I don't see this as any different from the Brandon Jacobs signing last year.

When I heard about this trade, my inner sports fan wept - Boldin is basically The Guy you want as WR. He's big, he catches EVERYTHING (Ev-a-ree-thang? Ev-a-ree-thang.), and he's not sub-4.4 speed, but he's fast enough that you can't cover him with a nickel-back and a good enough route-runner that single-coverage won't work for long. Worth more than a 6th-rounder.

Thing is, how many more elite years does Boldin have? He was in the Superbowl 4 years ago (3 seasons) and the upcoming year will be Year 11 of his career (he was ROY in 03). So sure, this season, a 6th-rounder likely means jack, but what about next season? The season after?

Baltimore may be losing the battle to win the war, and with the amount of talent they have (assuming Boldin's real value wasn't in stealing the defense's focus, making everyone else look good), they can plug in someone else's #2 or #3 guy, elevate Torrey Smith to #1 (which is a reach for him at this point), and use Pitta/Dickson as a second slot guy (with Doss or whoever else - Pitta's basically a slow slot receiver anyway).

// or is this the story I tell myself as a Ravens fan to make myself feel better?


I don't think Boldin has any elite years left. Much like Flacco, he had a pretty good regular season and a lights out post-season. And for either the Ravens or the 49ers, I think that's good enough. Like you said, the great thing about Boldin is he catches everything. Even if he's covered. He may not get a lot of separation, but he doesn't need it. And I also think Crabtree could benefit from having another veteran around to learn from. He won't learn the same things from Boldin that he got from Moss.
 
2013-03-12 10:03:56 AM  

SuperChuck: Much like Flacco, he had a pretty good regular season and a lights out post-season.


Your hate for Flacco blinds you to the fact that even though he has some craptastic games, his seasons are fairly reliable. He throws fewer INTs than Eli Manning and the team's offense hasn't been the liability it was in the Kyle Boller years. Not gaudy numbers, but he's consistent (for example, Flacco's INTs by year: 12, 12, 10, 12, 10) and improving. Look at all the records he has in 5 years (ignoring the postseason ones from this year only, that's still impressive. But for the passing numbers, he looks like Dan Marino).

He may not be worth 6/120, but he's worth Top-5 money (or just about. Can you name 5 unquestionably better QBs? Brady, Peyton Manning, Rodgers, Brees and...?).

// I'm sure someone will come along with suggestions, but how many of them have the postseason record Flacco does?
// and here come the "it's only the guys around him!" cadre - because Brady never had a Wes Welker or Deon Branch or Tedy Bruschi, etc
 
2013-03-12 10:08:31 AM  

FreakinB: I know how NFL trades generally work, but I still find it hard to believe that the Ravens couldn't get more than a 6th rounder for Boldin.


It's actually not as bad a deal as it looks at first. The Ravens couldn't afford Boldin's salary and were going to cut him. The 49er's essentially gave a 6th to jump to the top of the waiver wire.
 
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