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(My San Antonio)   We here at the Scooter Store would like everyone to know that even though 150 FBI agents raided our offices and we have laid off everyone in the company as of last Friday, that our company is NOT, and we repeat NOT part of any federal investigation   (mysanantonio.com) divider line 148
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2013-03-11 05:14:30 PM
Who issued the statement then?
 
2013-03-11 05:15:25 PM
These f*ckers always seemed shady.
 
2013-03-11 05:16:22 PM
Truthy.
 
2013-03-11 05:17:03 PM
It's not the actual Scooter Store itself, it is the employees that are under investigation.
 
2013-03-11 05:17:04 PM
They rip off the government to give those scooters to fat slobs.
 
2013-03-11 05:17:16 PM
More Democrats trying to take away our seniors' mobility!  YAARGH!!
 
2013-03-11 05:18:11 PM

Counter_Intelligent: More Democrats trying to take away our seniors' mobility!  YAARGH!!


fat slobs.

/ftfy
 
2013-03-11 05:18:30 PM

BalugaJoe: They rip off the government to give those scooters to fat slobs.


By fat slobs you mean bootstrappy American patriots.
 
2013-03-11 05:19:22 PM
Mine was ordered with a 50cc engine, CD player and a Recaro seat. Where the hell is it?
 
2013-03-11 05:19:26 PM
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

No cost.  Absolutely, no cost to me.
 
2013-03-11 05:21:18 PM

Counter_Intelligent: More Democrats trying to take away our seniors' mobility!  YAARGH!!


And get right smack dab in the way of capitalism and freedom.  Medicare only pays for them for people who absolutely NEED them.
 
2013-03-11 05:21:30 PM
the-void.co.uk
 
2013-03-11 05:21:48 PM
But how will they be able to protest government takeover of medicare without their government paid for scooters to ride around on?
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-11 05:22:09 PM
I always wondered how they were able to magically have all of these fancy offices and pretty customer service representatives in their pretty cubes giving away free pretty scooters to deserving fat farks.
 
2013-03-11 05:23:31 PM
Good. If I ever get to the point that I can't walk I'm killing myself with a whole shiat load of heroin, Viagra, and two female hookers at the same time.
 
2013-03-11 05:26:24 PM
I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.
 
2013-03-11 05:26:29 PM
farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2013-03-11 05:26:36 PM
What's weird is that my girlfriend is an attorney and was looking for work about a year ago and they contacted her for a job. She interviewed but didn't feel comfortable with what they were asking of her. I didn't get into it with her then but I am going to see if one has anything to do with the other.
 
2013-03-11 05:28:06 PM
I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.
 
2013-03-11 05:28:19 PM

realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.


myshockedface.jpg

seriously.. here it is:
fc01.deviantart.net
 
2013-03-11 05:30:46 PM

meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.


Do a google search for "Welness Center" in every city of the United States, count the results. Add the Scooter Store to the number and throw in an extra couple thousand, triple your result and you might be scraping the surface.
 
2013-03-11 05:31:35 PM
 
2013-03-11 05:33:08 PM
"Employee furloughs are a positive alternative to layoffs, but they have negative consequences, too. Employee furloughs are mandatory time off work with no pay. Used as an alternative to a layoff, employee furloughs can occur in both public and private sector organizations when revenue or projected revenue fails to match expenses. " - About.com

thanks for the time off without pay, Fartbongo Hoover McMedicaid FraudBusters

/ they should have been cops who shot & killed innocent people = time off with pay
 
2013-03-11 05:33:50 PM

realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME Medical industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money.


FTFY, and it is about to get a whole lot worse.
 
2013-03-11 05:34:31 PM
You can take your investigation to THE GRAND CANYON!!!!
 
2013-03-11 05:36:54 PM
They need to go after those annoying reverse mortgage commericals. I hate them!!!!!!
 
2013-03-11 05:37:44 PM
I hope Joy and Denise are all right.
 
2013-03-11 05:38:01 PM
www.pensitoreview.com

"THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!"
 
2013-03-11 05:39:02 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: You can take your investigation to THE GRAND CANYON!!!!


LOL -- literally f*cking LOL.
 
2013-03-11 05:39:11 PM

realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.


Here's hoping the few that truly need them can get them. Just curious, is there a system to provide them for those who need them temporarily (like after an operation), or is it just a purchase industry?
 
2013-03-11 05:39:21 PM
If I'm ever in a physical condition where I genuinely NEED one of those things to get around, do the merciful thing and just put me down with a horse tranquilizer or something.

Only ever used those things a couple times at the local grocery store.  I'm not Walmart-American-sized; my leg was broken and in several more pieces than a leg ought to be.  Did the cyborg exoskeleton thing for almost a year until all the pieces glued themselves back together.  Getting myself groceries during that time was a major undertaking; if that kind of lifestyle was the only one I was capable of leading... blech.

That's not a lifestyle once it's permanent, that's just a slowlydyingstyle.
 
2013-03-11 05:40:06 PM

Speaker2Animals: LOL -- literally f*cking LOL.


*tips hat*

Cheers!
 
2013-03-11 05:41:29 PM

MindStalker: Here's hoping the few that truly need them can get them. Just curious, is there a system to provide them for those who need them temporarily (like after an operation), or is it just a purchase industry?


I believe you can rent them.  At least, I believe you can rent just about any piece of medical equipment if you only plan to need it for a few months.

Getting Medica* to pay for the rental is, naturally, the source of a bunch of fraud.
 
2013-03-11 05:42:06 PM

JustGetItRight: realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME Medical industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money.

FTFY, and it is about to get a whole lot worse.


It's going to get a whole lot better, actually. Because both Democrats and Republicans are tired of it. Neither of them wants to give money away to these crooks. *Especially* since they are all small-time crooks. If the DME industry could get together and bribe the right congress-people, they wouldn't be getting stomped on.

And yes, the entire medical industry engages in massive Medicare fraud, but they are much less sleazy about it than the DME providers are.
 
2013-03-11 05:43:33 PM

poe_zlaw: It's not the actual Scooter Store itself, it is the employees that are under investigation.


FTFA: "As of last month, The Scooter Store had about 1,800 employees, including 1,200 headquarters staff."

Sounds like they have centralized the "cooking up bogus medical paperwork" function, and that is their main labor cost toward helping people get free government bought scooters.
 
2013-03-11 05:45:18 PM
Repo man is coming to get your scooter.
 
2013-03-11 05:47:12 PM
And you pay NOTHING for your mobility scooter!
 
2013-03-11 05:47:23 PM

uncleacid: Repo man is coming to get your scooter.


img803.imageshack.us

And he won't be subtle about it, either.
 
2013-03-11 05:47:24 PM
I'm disabled do to Polio, compounded by an 'on the job' back injury, and I now have to use a cane to walk at all.  AKA as 'Fat Farking Slob' to some of you.  I contacted the Scooter Store about possibly getting a scooter so I could go to flea markets, malls, farmers markets etc.  They tried to talk me into getting a 'power chair' instead.  I said I wanted a 'Scooter' so I could use it 'outdoors'.  They told me they only deal with people who need them 'indoors' and that's all Medicare cares about, so all I could get was a 'power chair' and that they didn't deal in 'Scooters'.  I told them, in that case, they better change their farking name to 'Power Chair Store'.
 
2013-03-11 05:48:44 PM

meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.


1.Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
2.SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3.Solyndra ($535 million)*
4.Beacon Power ($43 million)*
5.Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
6.SunPower ($1.2 billion)
7.First Solar ($1.46 billion)
8.Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
9.EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
10.Amonix ($5.9 million)
11.Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
12.Abound Solar ($400 million)*
13.A123 Systems ($279 million)*
14.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)
16.Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
17.ECOtality ($126.2 million)
18.Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
19.Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
20.Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
21.Olsen's Crop Service and Olsen's Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
22.Range Fuels ($80 million)*
23.Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
24.Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
25.Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
26.GreenVolts ($500,000)
27.Vestas ($50 million)
28.LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
29.Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
30.Navistar ($39 million)
31.Satcon ($3 million)*
32.Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
33.Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
 
2013-03-11 05:49:14 PM
My dad had a total knee replacement back in the fall. He was offered one of these things and pretty much turned it down. That old codger would walk around til that leg fell off if he had to before he got in one of those things. It was nice because I got to hang out with him and we sat around watching movies, went to physical therapy and harrassed mom til she tossed us out of the house.
 
2013-03-11 05:49:36 PM

MindStalker: Here's hoping the few that truly need them can get them. Just curious, is there a system to provide them for those who need them temporarily (like after an operation), or is it just a purchase industry?


I believe that there's rental services, but it's priced a lot like tools - if you need it for more than a week it's often cheaper to buy.  Crazy, huh?

Whatthefark: Ridin' Dirty.


*snerk*.  The one in front looks like she wouldn't need a chair if she wasn't so fat, the one in the back actually appears to be missing limbs.
 
2013-03-11 05:49:38 PM

MindStalker: realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

Here's hoping the few that truly need them can get them. Just curious, is there a system to provide them for those who need them temporarily (like after an operation), or is it just a purchase industry?


Most hospitals will hook you up with a rental if they prescribe something temporary.

Glad to know there might be fewer of these scooters out there. A doctor friend tells me that she sees a lot of fatties riding them around the hospital. When they get to their car they stand up and load it in the trunk themselves. (Those things are not light. Anyone who can lift one doesn't need one.)

\She also biatches that they are always running over people's toes in the hospital, then have the nerve to be the one looking peeved.
\\I just biatch because there's one lady who likes to ride hers at 2 mph in the bike lane on a road with a sidewalk.
 
2013-03-11 05:59:45 PM

BalugaJoe: They rip off the government to give those scooters to fat slobs.


I've strongly suspected these people, as well as the catheter pushers and their ilk, are running a Medicare fraud ring. They process the applications of all the applicants, tell a few of the people who were accepted they were denied, and pocket thousands of dollars for medical supplies they're not dispensing. Obviously some shady shiat is going on and the government won't say anything about an active investigation but I'm pretty sure it's something along those lines.
 
2013-03-11 06:02:39 PM
The scooter is the promised flying car.
The prediction was off slightly.
The future is now!
 
2013-03-11 06:02:42 PM

realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.


as someone who processes health insurance claims, inluding the odd DME claim, this does not surprise me.
 
2013-03-11 06:02:44 PM
Oh, for corn's sake!  I'm a few years away from turning 65, and I was really looking forward to my free scooter.
 
2013-03-11 06:06:35 PM

SkeletorUpInHere: Who issued the statement then?


Nice to see Baghdad Bob's found some work.

www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com
 
2013-03-11 06:07:38 PM

meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.


That would be a large majority of the corporations in DC.  SAIC, Booze Allen, CACI, Deloitte, Northrup Grumman, Lockheed etc all are majority funded through government contracts.
 
2013-03-11 06:10:41 PM

meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.


Well, I found one.
 
2013-03-11 06:11:10 PM
Usually, the FBI and other police authorities do not allow the suspected criminals to take part in the investigation.
So their claim not to be part of the investigation seems reasonable.
 
2013-03-11 06:15:00 PM

realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.


Care to share a few real-life examples of the more egregious behavior?
 
2013-03-11 06:19:23 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: These f*ckers always seemed shady.


Standard medicare business model. It is why it is so expensive.
 
2013-03-11 06:21:04 PM

poe_zlaw: Counter_Intelligent: More Democrats trying to take away our seniors' mobility!  YAARGH!!

And get right smack dab in the way of capitalism and freedom.  Medicare only pays for them for people who absolutely NEED them.


Wouldn't freedom and capitalism involve the customer paying for the item, not a third party or government? This is more government waste and fraud.
 
2013-03-11 06:22:02 PM

realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.


Why do you hate the elderly. No reform needed.
 
xcv
2013-03-11 06:22:47 PM

realmolo: JustGetItRight: realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME Medical industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money.

FTFY, and it is about to get a whole lot worse.

It's going to get a whole lot better, actually. Because both Democrats and Republicans are tired of it. Neither of them wants to give money away to these crooks. *Especially* since they are all small-time crooks. If the DME industry could get together and bribe the right congress-people, they wouldn't be getting stomped on.

And yes, the entire medical industry engages in massive Medicare fraud, but they are much less sleazy about it than the DME providers are.


There's a neighborhood near me nicknamed Medicare Beach by some healthcare professionals I know. Block after block of luxury cars parked in the drive way of pricey urban mansions all owned by immigrants from former Soviet countries that grew up manipulating bureaucratic institutions in their favor, the US government has nothing on the USSR.
 
2013-03-11 06:23:24 PM

rvesco: Oh, for corn's sake!  I'm a few years away from turning 65, and I was really looking forward to my free scooter.


LULZ. You sure you didn't turn 65 back in '95?
 
2013-03-11 06:24:38 PM
Once the feds start taking your stuff, you are no longer being investigated, they have already determined you are guilty.
 
2013-03-11 06:24:59 PM

meat0918: I wonder how many companies  industries exist only because government funding allows them to exist.


The Aerospace Industry. The Road Building Industry. Every U.S.-based Shipyard. And every U.S. business (of ANY size) within a 25-mile radius of a Military Base.
 
2013-03-11 06:26:14 PM

realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.


I worked in the DME industry for years

It isn't even so much we are actively defrauding Medicare, its the bloody pay schedule that has been written by lobbyist's

when by law you have to bill a 5000% profit or get paid Zero and risk a investigation

Then when you try to tell people that the whole medical industry could be fixed over night if we could bill with a normal profit margin they look at you like you have 3 heads
 
2013-03-11 06:31:23 PM

ShawnDoc: realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

Care to share a few real-life examples of the more egregious behavior?


Lets see...

only about .5% of Cpap/Bipap patients actually need them
"Sleep Studies" are a scam
Hard to get Approval on "Scooter" but dead simple to get one on a Power-chair
pay ~800 for a new Powerchair, by law have to bill 5000

 
2013-03-11 06:41:28 PM

thenumber5: ShawnDoc: realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

Care to share a few real-life examples of the more egregious behavior?

Lets see...

only about .5% of Cpap/Bipap patients actually need them
"Sleep Studies" are a scam
Hard to get Approval on "Scooter" but dead simple to get one on a Power-chair
pay ~800 for a new Powerchair, by law have to bill 5000


800 for a power chair? A real power chair? Not, like, an Ertl model of a power chair or something?

Gonna have to call bullshiat on that one. It's not uncommon for power chairs to cost well into 5 figures. Permobils are commonly over 20k. Even cheaper mid-grade ones like Jazzy start at over a thousand.

As for having to bill 5 grand by law, you'd need to cite a source on that...
 
Ehh
2013-03-11 06:42:52 PM
FBI internal memo: 5:30 Friday, top level of the parking garage: SCOOTER RACE!!!!!1!!!!1
 
2013-03-11 06:43:14 PM

thenumber5: ShawnDoc: realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

Care to share a few real-life examples of the more egregious behavior?

Lets see...

only about .5% of Cpap/Bipap patients actually need them
"Sleep Studies" are a scam

Hard to get Approval on "Scooter" but dead simple to get one on a Power-chair
pay ~800 for a new Powerchair, by law have to bill 5000


Really?  My doctor suggested I'd benefit from a cpap device, and suggested I go to a sleep clinic to be tested for it.  I'd be amazed to find out he was getting kickbacks or anything, he's a pretty good guy.

/Didn't go, figured a cpap mask would get in the way of my drinking
 
2013-03-11 06:45:47 PM
Every time I see some old geezer or some broad who's so fat she's crushed her ankles riding around on one of those scooters, I want to punch them in the head, 'cuz they always say, "It was free." No, you worthless parasite, it wasn't free; I paid for it. I hope the CEO of the Scooter Store goes to prison for life.
 
2013-03-11 06:46:19 PM

hasty ambush: meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.

1.Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
2.SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3.Solyndra ($535 million)*
4.Beacon Power ($43 million)*
5.Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
6.SunPower ($1.2 billion)
7.First Solar ($1.46 billion)
8.Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
9.EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
10.Amonix ($5.9 million)
11.Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
12.Abound Solar ($400 million)*
13.A123 Systems ($279 million)*
14.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)
16.Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
17.ECOtality ($126.2 million)
18.Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
19.Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
20.Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
21.Olsen's Crop Service and Olsen's Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
22.Range Fuels ($80 million)*
23.Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
24.Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
25.Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
26.GreenVolts ($500,000)
27.Vestas ($50 million)
28.LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
29.Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
30.Navistar ($39 million)
31.Satcon ($3 million)*
32.Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
33.Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)


First Solar?  SunPower?  We're just throwing any company on there that took gov't money?  Because those two are very successful.  Should add Exxon to the list.
 
2013-03-11 06:52:41 PM
My wife is an Occupational Therapist and every time one of their commercials would come on tv, she would call them, "the devil" and change the channel.  Some of the problems are that the seats in the wheelchair are just car seat type chairs, that offer no pressure relief.  If you've got someone who's large or has impaired circulation, then they develop decubes very easily.  They aren't adaptive as a persons disease process progresses, which means that they are unable to use them after a while and medicare isn't going to buy a better one.  You also can't use parts from other wheelchairs on them.  You have to buy them from the company and they are much more expensive for items like batteries that need to be replaced.  Also, if you want to have any work done, you have to get their technicians to do it otherwise you void the warranty.
 
2013-03-11 06:52:49 PM

ShadowkahnCRX: thenumber5: ShawnDoc: realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

Care to share a few real-life examples of the more egregious behavior?

Lets see...

only about .5% of Cpap/Bipap patients actually need them
"Sleep Studies" are a scam
Hard to get Approval on "Scooter" but dead simple to get one on a Power-chair
pay ~800 for a new Powerchair, by law have to bill 5000

800 for a power chair? A real power chair? Not, like, an Ertl model of a power chair or something?

Gonna have to call bullshiat on that one. It's not uncommon for power chairs to cost well into 5 figures. Permobils are commonly over 20k. Even cheaper mid-grade ones like Jazzy start at over a thousand.

As for having to bill 5 grand by law, you'd need to cite a source on that...


It called having a contract with the supplier. the Average list price of a Drive, Invacare, or Pride chair would be about ~1500

but when you have a Rep and are not ordering from the catalog you can get a much better price

Now as far as billing, its called the Medicare Fee Schedule. You bill what it tells you to bill and you get paid 80% of your billing
 
2013-03-11 06:52:58 PM

meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.


The auto industry.
 
2013-03-11 06:53:17 PM
I guess I'm part of the .5% that actually need a CPAP. That thing has literally changed my life. And I paid $2k for it.
 
2013-03-11 06:57:51 PM
Personally I don't give a shait if a couple of fat farks who shouldn't have received mobility scooters on the government's dime.  It if helps their quality of life, meh..let them have it.  If they are ringing up sales and billing the government fraudulently that's a different story and I hope somebody sees the inside of a cell for a while.   But 150 agents?  I'd rather see those agents swarming all over KBR and the like for the money they bilked out of the US in Iraq.  They ripped us off like the likes of the Scooter Store could only dream of.
 
2013-03-11 06:58:05 PM

toraque: thenumber5: ShawnDoc: realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

Care to share a few real-life examples of the more egregious behavior?

Lets see...

only about .5% of Cpap/Bipap patients actually need them
"Sleep Studies" are a scam
Hard to get Approval on "Scooter" but dead simple to get one on a Power-chair
pay ~800 for a new Powerchair, by law have to bill 5000

Really?  My doctor suggested I'd benefit from a cpap device, and suggested I go to a sleep clinic to be tested for it.  I'd be amazed to find out he was getting kickbacks or anything, he's a pretty good guy.

/Didn't go, figured a cpap mask would get in the way of my drinking


dont get me wrong they are a real medical device that some people really do need

but, they are very easy to get approval for and it inst unheard of for DME's to reward Clinics for ever patient they send

now as far as "Sleep Clinics" Likely you Doctor owns a stack in the clinic and gets a % of the Billing

Check you EOB's Some times you will be shocked at what a simple 5 min "Checkup/refill" appointment is being billed for
 
2013-03-11 06:59:10 PM

MethylTryp: I guess I'm part of the .5% that actually need a CPAP. That thing has literally changed my life. And I paid $2k for it.


I'm a nurse and back when I used to work in a nursing home, almost no one who had a CPAP would wear them.  I can think of one resident who wore it on a semi regular basis.  The rest of them hated it and would object to having it put on, that is when the nurses weren't too lazy to even offer.
 
2013-03-11 06:59:28 PM

Takeshi6400: My wife is an Occupational Therapist and every time one of their commercials would come on tv, she would call them, "the devil" and change the channel.  Some of the problems are that the seats in the wheelchair are just car seat type chairs, that offer no pressure relief.  If you've got someone who's large or has impaired circulation, then they develop decubes very easily.  They aren't adaptive as a persons disease process progresses, which means that they are unable to use them after a while and medicare isn't going to buy a better one.  You also can't use parts from other wheelchairs on them.  You have to buy them from the company and they are much more expensive for items like batteries that need to be replaced.  Also, if you want to have any work done, you have to get their technicians to do it otherwise you void the warranty.


ohgodohgodohgod ohgodohgodohgod ohgodohgodohgod  WHY did I look up what that was!
 
2013-03-11 07:00:55 PM
Oh, and given the responses to my earlier question, the apparent answer is "All of them".
 
2013-03-11 07:01:52 PM

MethylTryp: I guess I'm part of the .5% that actually need a CPAP. That thing has literally changed my life. And I paid $2k for it.


Do you have Insurance and a verifiable condition?

because even the top of the line with all the fancy shiat only run 1k retail
 
2013-03-11 07:04:19 PM
Here at the Cooter store we sell cooters at half price if you got a guvment voucher.

i.imgur.com

.
But wait theres more!
 Comein on Saturday and get a free grabbing stick. Grab item off of the top shelf without having your younguns have to climb up to get at them.
 
2013-03-11 07:06:17 PM

Takeshi6400: MethylTryp: I guess I'm part of the .5% that actually need a CPAP. That thing has literally changed my life. And I paid $2k for it.

I'm a nurse and back when I used to work in a nursing home, almost no one who had a CPAP would wear them.  I can think of one resident who wore it on a semi regular basis.  The rest of them hated it and would object to having it put on, that is when the nurses weren't too lazy to even offer.


it was nothing ,when i was supplying them, for at the 6 month Follow up/see if they need a new mask to find the majority used it for a week and never touched it again or never even took the mask out of it packaging
 
2013-03-11 07:12:15 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: uncleacid: Repo man is coming to get your scooter.

[img803.imageshack.us image 288x361]

And he won't be subtle about it, either.


No one is going to repo a scooter/powerchair

any DME around already has more then enough in the back to cover the rental market

and once a chair is "used" you cant put it out to medicare patients
 
2013-03-11 07:15:11 PM
At Disney World this week and was at Animal Kingdom today. Unluckily got stuck behind a fat fark on one of these chairs. I was pushing a stroller, she decides to just stop in the middle of a walkway and I barely tap her scooter. She turns to give me the evil eye when I notice why she stopped, to take a bite of a whip cream covered funnel cake.

I'm sure it's a medical condition though.
 
2013-03-11 07:16:40 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: I'm sure it's a medical condition though.


Obesity is a medical condition.
 
2013-03-11 07:17:07 PM
I use a cpap. The one my doctor prescribed for me was damaged in an auto accident. I tried to get a replacement, and insurance wouldn't cover it. So I went to buy my own, and the price my doctor wanted for a replacement was around $2000. So I went on the internet, since <b>I</b> was paying for it, and found one that was only $400 (a deVeblis) that also had a 12v adapter. This was at CPAP.COM.  Since I camp about 3 months out of the year, this was very helpful to me. So when buying a medical device, consider shopping around.
 
Ehh
2013-03-11 07:26:33 PM

meat0918: Takeshi6400: My wife is an Occupational Therapist and every time one of their commercials would come on tv, she would call them, "the devil" and change the channel.  Some of the problems are that the seats in the wheelchair are just car seat type chairs, that offer no pressure relief.  If you've got someone who's large or has impaired circulation, then they develop decubes very easily. 

ohgodohgodohgod ohgodohgodohgod ohgodohgodohgod  WHY did I look up what that was!


Never, ever, GIS a medical term unless you already know you can handle it
 

/ulcerative colitis
/fecaluria
 
2013-03-11 07:32:50 PM
After my 2nd cervical fusion, I had to have a bone fusion stimulator.  Thank god I had a Cadillac plan at the time, it showed as $5000 on my insurance bill.
 
2013-03-11 07:33:39 PM

meat0918: Takeshi6400: My wife is an Occupational Therapist and every time one of their commercials would come on tv, she would call them, "the devil" and change the channel.  Some of the problems are that the seats in the wheelchair are just car seat type chairs, that offer no pressure relief.  If you've got someone who's large or has impaired circulation, then they develop decubes very easily.  They aren't adaptive as a persons disease process progresses, which means that they are unable to use them after a while and medicare isn't going to buy a better one.  You also can't use parts from other wheelchairs on them.  You have to buy them from the company and they are much more expensive for items like batteries that need to be replaced.  Also, if you want to have any work done, you have to get their technicians to do it otherwise you void the warranty.

ohgodohgodohgod ohgodohgodohgod ohgodohgodohgod  WHY did I look up what that was!


When I was a wound care nurse I had to change a dressing on a woman who had a decube on her butt that had tunneled 5cm deep.  When I was pulling the packing out, it would be soaked in serous fluid and I always thought it looked like spaghetti.  This was always before lunch.
 
2013-03-11 07:39:29 PM

hasty ambush: meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.

15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)


Johnson Controls has a market cap of $24 Billion with 170,000 employees and $42 Billion in revenue every year.   If they are surviving because of a $299 million grant from the government, then I pretty sure we got a pretty good bang for our buck as taxpayers.
 
2013-03-11 07:41:07 PM
Has anyone ever watched one of those commercials and not thought; there  should be an investigation into Medicare and Medicaid fraud here?
 
2013-03-11 07:41:35 PM
I hope they find some stuff to imprison some folks.
Pretty obvious what they were up to from day 1.
 
2013-03-11 07:43:09 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: First Solar? SunPower? We're just throwing any company on there that took gov't money? Because those two are very successful. Should add Exxon to the list.


I'm sure they are as success as the #3 on the list, Solyndra.
 
2013-03-11 07:45:07 PM

simkatu: hasty ambush: meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.

15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)

Johnson Controls has a market cap of $24 Billion with 170,000 employees and $42 Billion in revenue every year.   If they are surviving because of a $299 million grant from the government, then I pretty sure we got a pretty good bang for our buck as taxpayers.


Really sounds like they need some free government money, doesn't it?
 
2013-03-11 07:51:11 PM
untaken_name:   Really sounds like they need some free government money, doesn't it?

I don't know the circumstances of the loan (or grant), but if the intent was for the government to share some of the risk for the development of some new green technology that could reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, then they may very well have needed the money to justify the expense to their shareholders.

/I suspect this was probably a loan, not a grant.
 
2013-03-11 07:54:01 PM

simkatu: untaken_name:   Really sounds like they need some free government money, doesn't it?

I don't know the circumstances of the loan (or grant), but if the intent was for the government to share some of the risk for the development of some new green technology that could reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, then they may very well have needed the money to justify the expense to their shareholders.

/I suspect this was probably a loan, not a grant.


Yeah, so...my original point stands. Also, I'm not sure that we're going to do anything to reduce our dependence on one of the largest lobbies in D.C.
 
2013-03-11 07:56:04 PM

untaken_name: simkatu: hasty ambush: meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.

15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)

Johnson Controls has a market cap of $24 Billion with 170,000 employees and $42 Billion in revenue every year.   If they are surviving because of a $299 million grant from the government, then I pretty sure we got a pretty good bang for our buck as taxpayers.

Really sounds like they need some free government money, doesn't it?


Universities really need all that free government scholarship money from poor people don't they?

/Technically the people getting the item are getting the "free government money".
 
2013-03-11 07:56:26 PM
The government is even more helpful if you want to sell things you aren't actually sending out.  Medicare numbers are typically your social security number followed by the letter A, or if you're a dependent (house wife that never worked or something) then it is your spouse's number followed by a B.  If you guess wrong, the Medicare contractor will usually helpfully correct it for you so you can get paid.

There are a ton of possibilities on the Medicare number makeup, but that would let you guess almost everyone's number if you got their super secret social security number from somewhere.

Might have changed, but technically to get a power chair paid for by Medicare, it is because you can't get around your home in a regular wheel chair, they aren't paid for because you need one when you go shopping or on a vacation.

Also consider prosthetic limb fraud, the fee schedule for those had some nice reimbursement rates.
 
2013-03-11 08:02:08 PM
kidsizedcoffin:

Also consider prosthetic limb fraud, the fee schedule for those had some nice reimbursement rates.

The problem with that racket is that the startup costs are huge.  It really takes an arm and a leg to get it going.
 
2013-03-11 08:05:37 PM

hasty ambush: meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.

1.Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
2.SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3.Solyndra ($535 million)*
4.Beacon Power ($43 million)*
5.Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
6.SunPower ($1.2 billion)
7.First Solar ($1.46 billion)
8.Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
9.EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
10.Amonix ($5.9 million)
11.Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
12.Abound Solar ($400 million)*
13.A123 Systems ($279 million)*
14.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)
16.Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
17.ECOtality ($126.2 million)
18.Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
19.Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
20.Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
21.Olsen's Crop Service and Olsen's Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
22.Range Fuels ($80 million)*
23.Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
24.Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
25.Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
26.GreenVolts ($500,000)
27.Vestas ($50 million)
28.LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
29.Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
30.Navistar ($39 million)
31.Satcon ($3 million)*
32.Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
33.Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)


You forgot a few:

General Dynamics
Lockheed Martin
Sikorsky
Oshkosh
Raytheon
Northrop Grumman
URS
 
2013-03-11 08:12:14 PM

Yogimus: Universities really need all that free government scholarship money from poor people don't they?


You probably don't want to take the university tack with me. I do not support the current university system in any way, except financially through the police power of the state, and that against my will.
 
2013-03-11 08:13:34 PM
I'm not buying anything unless it flies and uses antigravity.
 
2013-03-11 08:15:17 PM

untaken_name: Yogimus: Universities really need all that free government scholarship money from poor people don't they?

You probably don't want to take the university tack with me. I do not support the current university system in any way, except financially through the police power of the state, and that against my will.


Oh I agree that today's educational system is a bucket of arsefark. However, I believe that my analogy is correct.  The "free money" is going to the person, not the company. (of course the company is using it to grow their customer base, and profit greatly from it)
 
2013-03-11 08:16:41 PM

thenumber5: and once a chair is "used" you cant put it out to medicare patients


gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net
Why not? It's just more meat in the gym mats, if you know what I mean.
 
2013-03-11 08:24:34 PM

BalugaJoe: They rip off the government to give those scooters to fat slobs.


You don't have a clue what you are talking about on this subject. I would try to educate you but I don't think there is a chance you have an open mind. Yes there are fat slobs that don't deserve a chair, but there are thousands that regain some quality of life with the mobility. I caretake for two of them.
 
2013-03-11 08:24:45 PM

Rapmaster2000: No cost.  Absolutely, no cost to me.


These folks no doubt biatch about people who voted a certain way so they could get free stuff. Kind of a pot and kettle thing.
 
2013-03-11 08:30:30 PM

Yogimus: Oh I agree that today's educational system is a bucket of arsefark. However, I believe that my analogy is correct.  The "free money" is going to the person, not the company. (of course the company is using it to grow their customer base, and profit greatly from it)


Their product page indicates that their customers are primarily businesses, not individuals. Thus, the free money, if it is ever trickling down to regular people, is going to be diluted beyond belief. Additionally, those regular people are the ones who were taxed to provide the companies with the "free money" in the first place. It would actually go to "regular people" if they simply were allowed to keep it. There's no benefit to taking money from me, filtering it through the pockets of rich corporations, and then returning a pittance to me. Not for me, at least.
 
2013-03-11 08:34:15 PM
cache.jezebel.com
 
2013-03-11 08:36:16 PM

realmolo: JustGetItRight: realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME Medical industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money.

FTFY, and it is about to get a whole lot worse.

It's going to get a whole lot better, actually. Because both Democrats and Republicans are tired of it. Neither of them wants to give money away to these crooks.



Are you shiatting me? Giving away money is how they got industry and political buy-in for Medicare in the first place. The feds were perfectly happy to let New York overbill Medicare/Medicaid for years, for 15 farking billion dollars, until an investigative reporter blew the lid off the state's scam. Cuomo was okay with the overbilling, Paterson, Spitzer, Pataki...that's about as far back as the investigation went, but it's probably been going on ever since Rockefeller set up the state Medicaid program with all the bells and whistles so as to max out on federal help. And now the GOP governors who Smug Fark Moderate Progressives think are bowing to Obama's awesomeness are simply seeing what New York got away with and figuring...shiat, we can steal this thing blind and chances are nobody will look into it for ages, and even if they do, that money will be spent and gone and maybe we lose a little bit here and there down the road, but hell, by then Obamacare might have already collapsed.

*Especially* since they are all small-time crooks. If the DME industry could get together and bribe the right congress-people, they wouldn't be getting stomped on.

They don't get stomped on. They get a slap on the wrist, and then they go back into business six months later as an AIDS-infusion provider or whatever the scam of the year is.

And yes, the entire medical industry engages in massive Medicare fraud, but they are much less sleazy about it than the DME providers are.

In other words, they buy protection from members of Congress, as you said. That's what the Menendez scandal is really about. And don't go thinking Republicans are all that interested in nailing Menendez for abetting Medicare fraud, because if that happened every elected official with a -NJ, -FL or -NY after their name is going to come in for scrutiny.

And that means Christie, Clinton, Cuomo, Rubio for starters. Neither party wants that happening.

See, asshats? Both sides ARE bad, and saying that one is marginally less verminous than the other is like saying Allen Stanford is less of a thieving weasel than Bernie Madoff.
 
2013-03-11 08:37:18 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: hasty ambush: meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.

1.Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
2.SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3.Solyndra ($535 million)*
4.Beacon Power ($43 million)*
5.Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
6.SunPower ($1.2 billion)
7.First Solar ($1.46 billion)
8.Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
9.EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
10.Amonix ($5.9 million)
11.Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
12.Abound Solar ($400 million)*
13.A123 Systems ($279 million)*
14.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)
16.Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
17.ECOtality ($126.2 million)
18.Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
19.Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
20.Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
21.Olsen's Crop Service and Olsen's Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
22.Range Fuels ($80 million)*
23.Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
24.Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
25.Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
26.GreenVolts ($500,000)
27.Vestas ($50 million)
28.LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
29.Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
30.Navistar ($39 million)
31.Satcon ($3 million)*
32.Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
33.Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

You forgot a few:

General Dynamics
Lockheed Martin
Sikorsky
Oshkosh
Raytheon
Northrop Grumman
URS


And one more:
KBR
 
2013-03-11 08:49:45 PM
In the US medical fraud and waste (unnecessary treatment) is a large argument for socialized medicine or in its absence  much higher governmental oversight and regulation. The US has the most expensive medical care in the world in part from parasites sucking out money.

Any "market" where the consumers don't pay for what they are consuming (it is mainly paid for by insurance or the government) and the consumers aren't competent enough to choose what they get or even communicate and negotiate with the payer has vast opportunities for fraud and waste. One really can't expect most patients to be competent when an  overwhelming portion of health money is spent on the elderly or disabled.

I'm not saying that the elderly or disabled shouldn't receive health care, just that a "market solution" to this problem is inherently broken.
 
2013-03-11 08:51:26 PM

hasty ambush: meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.

1.Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
2.SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3.Solyndra ($535 million)*
4.Beacon Power ($43 million)*
5.Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
6.SunPower ($1.2 billion)
7.First Solar ($1.46 billion)
8.Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
9.EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
10.Amonix ($5.9 million)
11.Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
12.Abound Solar ($400 million)*
13.A123 Systems ($279 million)*
14.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)
16.Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
17.ECOtality ($126.2 million)
18.Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
19.Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
20.Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
21.Olsen's Crop Service and Olsen's Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
22.Range Fuels ($80 million)*
23.Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
24.Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
25.Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
26.GreenVolts ($500,000)
27.Vestas ($50 million)
28.LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
29.Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
30.Navistar ($39 million)
31.Satcon ($3 million)*
32.Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
33.Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)


Oh, aren't you clever? Where are the defense contractors?

Socialism is when the government pays for shiat you don't like - right?
 
2013-03-11 08:52:54 PM

DjangoStonereaver: "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!"


That is the derpiest sign I've seen.
 
2013-03-11 08:53:04 PM

JonathanChance: SkeletorUpInHere: Who issued the statement then?

Nice to see Baghdad Bob's found some work.


God damn I miss that guy. He really should be working for Best Korea right now.
 
2013-03-11 08:53:24 PM

realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.


If you have actual proof of this - rock solid proof - and you whistle blow on them you can make MILLIONS of dollars.

I think the current rate is 10% of what the Government has been defrauded of.
 
2013-03-11 08:53:42 PM

HairBolus: even communicate and negotiate with the payer has vast opportunities for fraud and waste. On


When I was without insurance I couldn't even get a ballpark wild-ass guesstimate of how much it would cost for something relatively minor.
 
2013-03-11 08:56:11 PM
 I am in a power chair that I purchased from a family that got it thru Medicare. I found the receipt from the Scooter Store in the pouch on the chair, it was for $8000.00 and 80% was paid for by Medicare. This power chair can be purchased on the internet for $3500.00 new. They are crooks
 
2013-03-11 08:57:14 PM

blackhonda: BalugaJoe: They rip off the government to give those scooters to fat slobs.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about on this subject. I would try to educate you but I don't think there is a chance you have an open mind. Yes there are fat slobs that don't deserve a chair, but there are thousands that regain some quality of life with the mobility. I caretake for two of them.


Considering that fat slobs who don't need them are all over the place these days and that one of the largest suppliers was just pretty much entirely shut down by the feds for being nothing but a giant fraud operation...

There are plenty of stories out there from Doctors, from Lawyers who've come into contact with them, and everybody else who touches them- people with genuine need are the exception, not the rule.
 
2013-03-11 08:58:20 PM

douchebag/hater: realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

If you have actual proof of this - rock solid proof - and you whistle blow on them you can make MILLIONS of dollars.

I think the current rate is 10% of what the Government has been defrauded of.


Whistleblowing doesn't work very well in this country. Ask Julian Assange.
 
2013-03-11 08:59:59 PM
I'd be curious to know what the average life expectancy is of a person who gets one of these.

Anybody know if thats ever been studied?
 
2013-03-11 09:02:54 PM

MBZ321: [cache.jezebel.com image 346x232]


Have you watched MeTV? It's the catheter channel!

&  "It Takes a Thief" re-runs.
 
2013-03-11 09:05:01 PM
Now the FBI needs to go after companies such as Liberty Medical (does mail-order diabetic supplies, and they aren't even trying to hide the fact they are scamming Medicare, etc). Also take out Apria Healthcare while you're at it (They rob everyone including their own customers). Take those out FBI and I shall bake you a lovely cake!
 
2013-03-11 09:11:03 PM
I messed my back up playing high school football about 35 years ago. Now the arthritis has set in, and as much as I fight it, I know I am headed down hill towards not being able to walk anymore. That decube crap scares me worse than anything. I think the time to end this thing is not to far into the future.
 
2013-03-11 09:57:11 PM

thenumber5: realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

I worked in the DME industry for years

It isn't even so much we are actively defrauding Medicare, its the bloody pay schedule that has been written by lobbyist's

when by law you have to bill a 5000% profit or get paid Zero and risk a investigation

Then when you try to tell people that the whole medical industry could be fixed over night if we could bill with a normal profit margin they look at you like you have 3 heads


That's exactly right.
 
2013-03-11 09:58:20 PM

duke3522: I messed my back up playing high school football about 35 years ago. Now the arthritis has set in, and as much as I fight it, I know I am headed down hill towards not being able to walk anymore. That decube crap scares me worse than anything. I think the time to end this thing is not to far into the future.


Get a Roho cushion.
 
2013-03-11 10:36:04 PM

SilentStrider: realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

as someone who processes health insurance claims, inluding the odd DME claim, this does not surprise me.


As someone who works for a claims Clearinghouse, this does not surprise me.  More annoying, each new way of defrauding Medicare leads to new CMS rules for claim submissions which means the first few months of the year I get to explain over and over again to DME providers "Yes, you USED to be able to submit it that way.  As of 2013 you cannot."  And I'm not allowed to say "If you have a problem with it, take it up with all the DME fraudsters."  God, I hate troubleshooting DME claims.
 
2013-03-11 10:47:52 PM
I call them "Trailer Park Daleks"
drtrainingsystems.com

In most cases, they don't even need one. They can walk, but when the Scooter Store commercials promise that they can get them for free, the lazy fat bastards want one and drive Medicaid even deeper into the hole.
 
2013-03-11 10:53:29 PM

TV's Vinnie: I call them "Trailer Park Daleks"


That's funny right there. No good at stairs, I'm guessing.
 
2013-03-11 11:01:33 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: TV's Vinnie: I call them "Trailer Park Daleks"

That's funny right there. No good at stairs, I'm guessing.


Seconding that
 
2013-03-11 11:22:47 PM
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
Literally ROTFLMFAO
 
2013-03-11 11:36:10 PM

MethylTryp: I guess I'm part of the .5% that actually need a CPAP. That thing has literally changed my life. And I paid $2k for it.


Me too!

Strangely no one cared about me until I put it on...

images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-03-12 12:10:25 AM

AgentBang: I always wondered how they were able to magically have all of these fancy offices and pretty customer service representatives in their pretty cubes giving away free pretty scooters to deserving fat farks.


What if there was an entity that loans money to people that loan money for things like this?

It might even be in their interest to see to it that people were placed in high places to insure these programs got funded.
 
2013-03-12 12:19:54 AM
farking 0bama finally figured out how to dismantle the teaparty. that asshole.
 
2013-03-12 12:41:48 AM

MindStalker: realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

Here's hoping the few that truly need them can get them. Just curious, is there a system to provide them for those who need them temporarily (like after an operation), or is it just a purchase industry?


If you need one temporarily then you don't need one and won't get one approved. While I realize that in the 80's and 90's a gravy train was set up for DME, it no longer is. If you have any once of mobility you're not approved for a motorized wheel chair. You can get a regular one no problem, however, the paperwork and evidence needed for a motorized wheel chair makes it very hard to actually be awarded one.

The reason why the scooter store was probably raided was because they cut corners. There is almost always going to be a deductible or co-pay. If you don't collect this it is actually illegal for billing purposes on the next sale to charge the full medicare amount.

Example, you sell a wheel chair for 10,000 bucks, you need to collect 2000 from the patient. If you don't then medicare will start to expect you to sell all your wheel chairs for 8000, with the 20 percent copay of 1600.
 
2013-03-12 12:49:09 AM

UPURZ2: I am in a power chair that I purchased from a family that got it thru Medicare. I found the receipt from the Scooter Store in the pouch on the chair, it was for $8000.00 and 80% was paid for by Medicare. This power chair can be purchased on the internet for $3500.00 new. They are crooks


The problem is that they are billing what the medicare allowable is for the wheel chair. Yes, you can purchase the wheel chair from someone online for 3500 and you have every right to do this. However, if you want your wheel chair to be covered by Medicare you need to go to a company. This company is going to have tech's to assemble the chair, CSR's to process the 40 pages of documents to get you approved with Medicare, sales reps that let your doctors know where they can send their patients to and ideally an owner would like to make some money.

It is a dirty business, if you work for a company that follows Medicare Supplier Standards it will go a long way.
/Competition is the best thing for the industry
//forces better service, more diligent follow through
///competitive bidding is the worst thing ever
 
2013-03-12 01:29:41 AM

great_tigers: you sell a wheel chair for 10,000 bucks, you need to collect 2000 from the patient.


Sell for 8 grand, make 1500 profit, "donate" 2000 to make it ten grand, -500 profit, claim 2000 as a charitable contribution, get 1000 back, up to $500 profit.
 
2013-03-12 01:34:45 AM

Yogimus: great_tigers: you sell a wheel chair for 10,000 bucks, you need to collect 2000 from the patient.

Sell for 8 grand, make 1500 profit, "donate" 2000 to make it ten grand, -500 profit, claim 2000 as a charitable contribution, get 1000 back, up to $500 profit.


You cannot "donate" items. Its could be considered inducement. Stark Law.

You must have worked at the Scooter Store to know how they ran their company.
 
2013-03-12 01:57:17 AM

great_tigers: Yogimus: great_tigers: you sell a wheel chair for 10,000 bucks, you need to collect 2000 from the patient.

Sell for 8 grand, make 1500 profit, "donate" 2000 to make it ten grand, -500 profit, claim 2000 as a charitable contribution, get 1000 back, up to $500 profit.

You cannot "donate" items. Its could be considered inducement. Stark Law.

You must have worked at the Scooter Store to know how they ran their company.


 O.o
(_Y_)
 
2013-03-12 02:20:26 AM
"Jo Ann Titsworth of Rockport said she has been trying to get a power wheelchair from The Scooter Store for her husband, Clem, who is 82. "
claymore
Titsworth it's weight in gold.
 
2013-03-12 02:27:26 AM
If only Milton worked there...problem solved.
 
2013-03-12 06:49:28 AM
I wonder how many people who got these "free" power chairs through Medicare and the Scooter Store are Real Americans who decry "socialized medicine" and talk about how they are all bootstrappy and don't need the government for anything.
 
2013-03-12 07:31:12 AM

Silverstaff: I wonder how many people who got these "free" power chairs through Medicare and the Scooter Store are Real Americans who decry "socialized medicine" and talk about how they are all bootstrappy and don't need the government for anything.


You don't get the point of how these scams work at all.

For a lot of fraud operations, no patient or product is needed - just get the patient data and billing codes right and you can bill Medicare/Medicaid for damn near anything. Even prostate exams for women.

I don't know what kind of dumbbells they're hiring... They say, 'If you see something, say something.' Well, I got something in the mail and I said something.' " Smith claims nobody did anything in response to her phone calls and letters, and she finally had to hire an ID theft specialist to help her.

However, a spokesperson for Medicare insists they were on top of it, telling the News, "We regret that Mrs. Smith has the impression that little has been done in response to her complaints." Still, an estimated $60 billion a year in federal health care money is stolen.


 Medicare is not a health-care program. It is a check-cutting program.
 
2013-03-12 08:20:03 AM

blackhonda: BalugaJoe: They rip off the government to give those scooters to fat slobs.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about on this subject. I would try to educate you but I don't think there is a chance you have an open mind. Yes there are fat slobs that don't deserve a chair, but there are thousands that regain some quality of life with the mobility. I caretake for two of them.


If we can save one child it's worth it for everyone else to pay.
 
2013-03-12 08:46:41 AM

realmolo: It's going to get a whole lot better, actually. Because both Democrats and Republicans are tired of it. Neither of them wants to give money away to these crooks. *Especially* since they are all small-time crooks. If the DME industry could get together and bribe the right congress-people, they wouldn't be getting stomped on.

And yes, the entire medical industry engages in massive Medicare fraud, but they are much less sleazy about it than the DME providers are.


I wish I shared your optimism, but the way I see it the fraud is going to get worse.

As the population ages, you're going to see some combination of rationing and/or price controls implemented.  There's just no other way to afford continuing to provide service.  When that happens, the fraud will increase as providers at all levels look to maintain their current income levels.
 
2013-03-12 09:01:51 AM

JustGetItRight: realmolo: It's going to get a whole lot better, actually. Because both Democrats and Republicans are tired of it. Neither of them wants to give money away to these crooks. *Especially* since they are all small-time crooks. If the DME industry could get together and bribe the right congress-people, they wouldn't be getting stomped on.

And yes, the entire medical industry engages in massive Medicare fraud, but they are much less sleazy about it than the DME providers are.

I wish I shared your optimism, but the way I see it the fraud is going to get worse.

As the population ages, you're going to see some combination of rationing and/or price controls implemented.  There's just no other way to afford continuing to provide service.  When that happens, the fraud will increase as providers at all levels look to maintain their current income levels.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

We need to get cracking before all the ice is gone.
/war is coming
 
2013-03-12 09:48:46 AM

simkatu: untaken_name:   Really sounds like they need some free government money, doesn't it?

I don't know the circumstances of the loan (or grant), but if the intent was for the government to share some of the risk for the development of some new green technology that could reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, then they may very well have needed the money to justify the expense to their shareholders.

/I suspect this was probably a loan, not a grant.


Johnson Controls is one of our clients.  They make seating and interiors for the automotive industry.  Nothing to do with reducing dependence on fossil fuels, or any sort of green tech.
 
2013-03-12 09:54:39 AM
CSB:  One of my co-workers asked me to stop by his desk a couple of minutes ago, and I made a joke about having to wait until I got my power scooter.  He said he could get me one, that his father-in-law has one that he's never used.  I made a joke about Medicare fraud.  He said, "Oh, it's not fraud.  He's entitled to it.  He never used it though, he just got it because it was free."

\your tax dollars at "work"
 
2013-03-12 10:20:22 AM
Gulper Eel: Medicare is not a health-care program. It is a check-cutting program.

Dead on. 100% accurate.
 
2013-03-12 10:48:42 AM

JustGetItRight: Gulper Eel: Medicare is not a health-care program. It is a check-cutting program.

Dead on. 100% accurate.


Civil war protection.
 
2013-03-12 11:25:03 AM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Those things are not light. Anyone who can lift one doesn't need one


You might be overgeneralizing. People with decreased lung function can still lift stuff, they just can't walk distances.
 
2013-03-12 03:56:56 PM

CheekyMonkey: simkatu: untaken_name:   Really sounds like they need some free government money, doesn't it?

I don't know the circumstances of the loan (or grant), but if the intent was for the government to share some of the risk for the development of some new green technology that could reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, then they may very well have needed the money to justify the expense to their shareholders.

/I suspect this was probably a loan, not a grant.

Johnson Controls is one of our clients.  They make seating and interiors for the automotive industry.  Nothing to do with reducing dependence on fossil fuels, or any sort of green tech.


I've also seen the Johnson Controls logo on thermostats in large office, academic, and industrial buildings. They do a lot of things, what you know them for is only one.
 
2013-03-14 02:20:31 AM
Johnson Controls used to have a base market of industrial control systems for automation. As such, saving energy is a high priority. So there is probably some legitimate connection to development funds for some technology the administration wants to advance.
 
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