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2013-03-11 08:24:34 PM

BalugaJoe: They rip off the government to give those scooters to fat slobs.


You don't have a clue what you are talking about on this subject. I would try to educate you but I don't think there is a chance you have an open mind. Yes there are fat slobs that don't deserve a chair, but there are thousands that regain some quality of life with the mobility. I caretake for two of them.
 
2013-03-11 08:24:45 PM

Rapmaster2000: No cost.  Absolutely, no cost to me.


These folks no doubt biatch about people who voted a certain way so they could get free stuff. Kind of a pot and kettle thing.
 
2013-03-11 08:30:30 PM

Yogimus: Oh I agree that today's educational system is a bucket of arsefark. However, I believe that my analogy is correct.  The "free money" is going to the person, not the company. (of course the company is using it to grow their customer base, and profit greatly from it)


Their product page indicates that their customers are primarily businesses, not individuals. Thus, the free money, if it is ever trickling down to regular people, is going to be diluted beyond belief. Additionally, those regular people are the ones who were taxed to provide the companies with the "free money" in the first place. It would actually go to "regular people" if they simply were allowed to keep it. There's no benefit to taking money from me, filtering it through the pockets of rich corporations, and then returning a pittance to me. Not for me, at least.
 
2013-03-11 08:34:15 PM
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2013-03-11 08:36:16 PM

realmolo: JustGetItRight: realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME Medical industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money.

FTFY, and it is about to get a whole lot worse.

It's going to get a whole lot better, actually. Because both Democrats and Republicans are tired of it. Neither of them wants to give money away to these crooks.



Are you shiatting me? Giving away money is how they got industry and political buy-in for Medicare in the first place. The feds were perfectly happy to let New York overbill Medicare/Medicaid for years, for 15 farking billion dollars, until an investigative reporter blew the lid off the state's scam. Cuomo was okay with the overbilling, Paterson, Spitzer, Pataki...that's about as far back as the investigation went, but it's probably been going on ever since Rockefeller set up the state Medicaid program with all the bells and whistles so as to max out on federal help. And now the GOP governors who Smug Fark Moderate Progressives think are bowing to Obama's awesomeness are simply seeing what New York got away with and figuring...shiat, we can steal this thing blind and chances are nobody will look into it for ages, and even if they do, that money will be spent and gone and maybe we lose a little bit here and there down the road, but hell, by then Obamacare might have already collapsed.

*Especially* since they are all small-time crooks. If the DME industry could get together and bribe the right congress-people, they wouldn't be getting stomped on.

They don't get stomped on. They get a slap on the wrist, and then they go back into business six months later as an AIDS-infusion provider or whatever the scam of the year is.

And yes, the entire medical industry engages in massive Medicare fraud, but they are much less sleazy about it than the DME providers are.

In other words, they buy protection from members of Congress, as you said. That's what the Menendez scandal is really about. And don't go thinking Republicans are all that interested in nailing Menendez for abetting Medicare fraud, because if that happened every elected official with a -NJ, -FL or -NY after their name is going to come in for scrutiny.

And that means Christie, Clinton, Cuomo, Rubio for starters. Neither party wants that happening.

See, asshats? Both sides ARE bad, and saying that one is marginally less verminous than the other is like saying Allen Stanford is less of a thieving weasel than Bernie Madoff.
 
2013-03-11 08:37:18 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: hasty ambush: meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.

1.Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
2.SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3.Solyndra ($535 million)*
4.Beacon Power ($43 million)*
5.Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
6.SunPower ($1.2 billion)
7.First Solar ($1.46 billion)
8.Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
9.EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
10.Amonix ($5.9 million)
11.Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
12.Abound Solar ($400 million)*
13.A123 Systems ($279 million)*
14.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)
16.Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
17.ECOtality ($126.2 million)
18.Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
19.Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
20.Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
21.Olsen's Crop Service and Olsen's Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
22.Range Fuels ($80 million)*
23.Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
24.Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
25.Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
26.GreenVolts ($500,000)
27.Vestas ($50 million)
28.LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
29.Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
30.Navistar ($39 million)
31.Satcon ($3 million)*
32.Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
33.Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

You forgot a few:

General Dynamics
Lockheed Martin
Sikorsky
Oshkosh
Raytheon
Northrop Grumman
URS


And one more:
KBR
 
2013-03-11 08:49:45 PM
In the US medical fraud and waste (unnecessary treatment) is a large argument for socialized medicine or in its absence  much higher governmental oversight and regulation. The US has the most expensive medical care in the world in part from parasites sucking out money.

Any "market" where the consumers don't pay for what they are consuming (it is mainly paid for by insurance or the government) and the consumers aren't competent enough to choose what they get or even communicate and negotiate with the payer has vast opportunities for fraud and waste. One really can't expect most patients to be competent when an  overwhelming portion of health money is spent on the elderly or disabled.

I'm not saying that the elderly or disabled shouldn't receive health care, just that a "market solution" to this problem is inherently broken.
 
2013-03-11 08:51:26 PM

hasty ambush: meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.

1.Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
2.SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3.Solyndra ($535 million)*
4.Beacon Power ($43 million)*
5.Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
6.SunPower ($1.2 billion)
7.First Solar ($1.46 billion)
8.Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
9.EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
10.Amonix ($5.9 million)
11.Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
12.Abound Solar ($400 million)*
13.A123 Systems ($279 million)*
14.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)
16.Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
17.ECOtality ($126.2 million)
18.Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
19.Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
20.Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
21.Olsen's Crop Service and Olsen's Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
22.Range Fuels ($80 million)*
23.Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
24.Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
25.Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
26.GreenVolts ($500,000)
27.Vestas ($50 million)
28.LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
29.Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
30.Navistar ($39 million)
31.Satcon ($3 million)*
32.Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
33.Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)


Oh, aren't you clever? Where are the defense contractors?

Socialism is when the government pays for shiat you don't like - right?
 
2013-03-11 08:52:54 PM

DjangoStonereaver: "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!"


That is the derpiest sign I've seen.
 
2013-03-11 08:53:04 PM

JonathanChance: SkeletorUpInHere: Who issued the statement then?

Nice to see Baghdad Bob's found some work.


God damn I miss that guy. He really should be working for Best Korea right now.
 
2013-03-11 08:53:24 PM

realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.


If you have actual proof of this - rock solid proof - and you whistle blow on them you can make MILLIONS of dollars.

I think the current rate is 10% of what the Government has been defrauded of.
 
2013-03-11 08:53:42 PM

HairBolus: even communicate and negotiate with the payer has vast opportunities for fraud and waste. On


When I was without insurance I couldn't even get a ballpark wild-ass guesstimate of how much it would cost for something relatively minor.
 
2013-03-11 08:56:11 PM
 I am in a power chair that I purchased from a family that got it thru Medicare. I found the receipt from the Scooter Store in the pouch on the chair, it was for $8000.00 and 80% was paid for by Medicare. This power chair can be purchased on the internet for $3500.00 new. They are crooks
 
2013-03-11 08:57:14 PM

blackhonda: BalugaJoe: They rip off the government to give those scooters to fat slobs.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about on this subject. I would try to educate you but I don't think there is a chance you have an open mind. Yes there are fat slobs that don't deserve a chair, but there are thousands that regain some quality of life with the mobility. I caretake for two of them.


Considering that fat slobs who don't need them are all over the place these days and that one of the largest suppliers was just pretty much entirely shut down by the feds for being nothing but a giant fraud operation...

There are plenty of stories out there from Doctors, from Lawyers who've come into contact with them, and everybody else who touches them- people with genuine need are the exception, not the rule.
 
2013-03-11 08:58:20 PM

douchebag/hater: realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

If you have actual proof of this - rock solid proof - and you whistle blow on them you can make MILLIONS of dollars.

I think the current rate is 10% of what the Government has been defrauded of.


Whistleblowing doesn't work very well in this country. Ask Julian Assange.
 
2013-03-11 08:59:59 PM
I'd be curious to know what the average life expectancy is of a person who gets one of these.

Anybody know if thats ever been studied?
 
2013-03-11 09:02:54 PM

MBZ321: [cache.jezebel.com image 346x232]


Have you watched MeTV? It's the catheter channel!

&  "It Takes a Thief" re-runs.
 
2013-03-11 09:05:01 PM
Now the FBI needs to go after companies such as Liberty Medical (does mail-order diabetic supplies, and they aren't even trying to hide the fact they are scamming Medicare, etc). Also take out Apria Healthcare while you're at it (They rob everyone including their own customers). Take those out FBI and I shall bake you a lovely cake!
 
2013-03-11 09:11:03 PM
I messed my back up playing high school football about 35 years ago. Now the arthritis has set in, and as much as I fight it, I know I am headed down hill towards not being able to walk anymore. That decube crap scares me worse than anything. I think the time to end this thing is not to far into the future.
 
2013-03-11 09:57:11 PM

thenumber5: realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

I worked in the DME industry for years

It isn't even so much we are actively defrauding Medicare, its the bloody pay schedule that has been written by lobbyist's

when by law you have to bill a 5000% profit or get paid Zero and risk a investigation

Then when you try to tell people that the whole medical industry could be fixed over night if we could bill with a normal profit margin they look at you like you have 3 heads


That's exactly right.
 
2013-03-11 09:58:20 PM

duke3522: I messed my back up playing high school football about 35 years ago. Now the arthritis has set in, and as much as I fight it, I know I am headed down hill towards not being able to walk anymore. That decube crap scares me worse than anything. I think the time to end this thing is not to far into the future.


Get a Roho cushion.
 
2013-03-11 10:36:04 PM

SilentStrider: realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

as someone who processes health insurance claims, inluding the odd DME claim, this does not surprise me.


As someone who works for a claims Clearinghouse, this does not surprise me.  More annoying, each new way of defrauding Medicare leads to new CMS rules for claim submissions which means the first few months of the year I get to explain over and over again to DME providers "Yes, you USED to be able to submit it that way.  As of 2013 you cannot."  And I'm not allowed to say "If you have a problem with it, take it up with all the DME fraudsters."  God, I hate troubleshooting DME claims.
 
2013-03-11 10:47:52 PM
I call them "Trailer Park Daleks"
drtrainingsystems.com

In most cases, they don't even need one. They can walk, but when the Scooter Store commercials promise that they can get them for free, the lazy fat bastards want one and drive Medicaid even deeper into the hole.
 
2013-03-11 10:53:29 PM

TV's Vinnie: I call them "Trailer Park Daleks"


That's funny right there. No good at stairs, I'm guessing.
 
2013-03-11 11:01:33 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: TV's Vinnie: I call them "Trailer Park Daleks"

That's funny right there. No good at stairs, I'm guessing.


Seconding that
 
2013-03-11 11:22:47 PM
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Literally ROTFLMFAO
 
2013-03-11 11:36:10 PM

MethylTryp: I guess I'm part of the .5% that actually need a CPAP. That thing has literally changed my life. And I paid $2k for it.


Me too!

Strangely no one cared about me until I put it on...

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2013-03-12 12:10:25 AM

AgentBang: I always wondered how they were able to magically have all of these fancy offices and pretty customer service representatives in their pretty cubes giving away free pretty scooters to deserving fat farks.


What if there was an entity that loans money to people that loan money for things like this?

It might even be in their interest to see to it that people were placed in high places to insure these programs got funded.
 
2013-03-12 12:19:54 AM
farking 0bama finally figured out how to dismantle the teaparty. that asshole.
 
2013-03-12 12:41:48 AM

MindStalker: realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

Here's hoping the few that truly need them can get them. Just curious, is there a system to provide them for those who need them temporarily (like after an operation), or is it just a purchase industry?


If you need one temporarily then you don't need one and won't get one approved. While I realize that in the 80's and 90's a gravy train was set up for DME, it no longer is. If you have any once of mobility you're not approved for a motorized wheel chair. You can get a regular one no problem, however, the paperwork and evidence needed for a motorized wheel chair makes it very hard to actually be awarded one.

The reason why the scooter store was probably raided was because they cut corners. There is almost always going to be a deductible or co-pay. If you don't collect this it is actually illegal for billing purposes on the next sale to charge the full medicare amount.

Example, you sell a wheel chair for 10,000 bucks, you need to collect 2000 from the patient. If you don't then medicare will start to expect you to sell all your wheel chairs for 8000, with the 20 percent copay of 1600.
 
2013-03-12 12:49:09 AM

UPURZ2: I am in a power chair that I purchased from a family that got it thru Medicare. I found the receipt from the Scooter Store in the pouch on the chair, it was for $8000.00 and 80% was paid for by Medicare. This power chair can be purchased on the internet for $3500.00 new. They are crooks


The problem is that they are billing what the medicare allowable is for the wheel chair. Yes, you can purchase the wheel chair from someone online for 3500 and you have every right to do this. However, if you want your wheel chair to be covered by Medicare you need to go to a company. This company is going to have tech's to assemble the chair, CSR's to process the 40 pages of documents to get you approved with Medicare, sales reps that let your doctors know where they can send their patients to and ideally an owner would like to make some money.

It is a dirty business, if you work for a company that follows Medicare Supplier Standards it will go a long way.
/Competition is the best thing for the industry
//forces better service, more diligent follow through
///competitive bidding is the worst thing ever
 
2013-03-12 01:29:41 AM

great_tigers: you sell a wheel chair for 10,000 bucks, you need to collect 2000 from the patient.


Sell for 8 grand, make 1500 profit, "donate" 2000 to make it ten grand, -500 profit, claim 2000 as a charitable contribution, get 1000 back, up to $500 profit.
 
2013-03-12 01:34:45 AM

Yogimus: great_tigers: you sell a wheel chair for 10,000 bucks, you need to collect 2000 from the patient.

Sell for 8 grand, make 1500 profit, "donate" 2000 to make it ten grand, -500 profit, claim 2000 as a charitable contribution, get 1000 back, up to $500 profit.


You cannot "donate" items. Its could be considered inducement. Stark Law.

You must have worked at the Scooter Store to know how they ran their company.
 
2013-03-12 01:57:17 AM

great_tigers: Yogimus: great_tigers: you sell a wheel chair for 10,000 bucks, you need to collect 2000 from the patient.

Sell for 8 grand, make 1500 profit, "donate" 2000 to make it ten grand, -500 profit, claim 2000 as a charitable contribution, get 1000 back, up to $500 profit.

You cannot "donate" items. Its could be considered inducement. Stark Law.

You must have worked at the Scooter Store to know how they ran their company.


 O.o
(_Y_)
 
2013-03-12 02:20:26 AM
"Jo Ann Titsworth of Rockport said she has been trying to get a power wheelchair from The Scooter Store for her husband, Clem, who is 82. "
claymore
Titsworth it's weight in gold.
 
2013-03-12 02:27:26 AM
If only Milton worked there...problem solved.
 
2013-03-12 06:49:28 AM
I wonder how many people who got these "free" power chairs through Medicare and the Scooter Store are Real Americans who decry "socialized medicine" and talk about how they are all bootstrappy and don't need the government for anything.
 
2013-03-12 07:31:12 AM

Silverstaff: I wonder how many people who got these "free" power chairs through Medicare and the Scooter Store are Real Americans who decry "socialized medicine" and talk about how they are all bootstrappy and don't need the government for anything.


You don't get the point of how these scams work at all.

For a lot of fraud operations, no patient or product is needed - just get the patient data and billing codes right and you can bill Medicare/Medicaid for damn near anything. Even prostate exams for women.

I don't know what kind of dumbbells they're hiring... They say, 'If you see something, say something.' Well, I got something in the mail and I said something.' " Smith claims nobody did anything in response to her phone calls and letters, and she finally had to hire an ID theft specialist to help her.

However, a spokesperson for Medicare insists they were on top of it, telling the News, "We regret that Mrs. Smith has the impression that little has been done in response to her complaints." Still, an estimated $60 billion a year in federal health care money is stolen.


 Medicare is not a health-care program. It is a check-cutting program.
 
2013-03-12 08:20:03 AM

blackhonda: BalugaJoe: They rip off the government to give those scooters to fat slobs.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about on this subject. I would try to educate you but I don't think there is a chance you have an open mind. Yes there are fat slobs that don't deserve a chair, but there are thousands that regain some quality of life with the mobility. I caretake for two of them.


If we can save one child it's worth it for everyone else to pay.
 
2013-03-12 08:46:41 AM

realmolo: It's going to get a whole lot better, actually. Because both Democrats and Republicans are tired of it. Neither of them wants to give money away to these crooks. *Especially* since they are all small-time crooks. If the DME industry could get together and bribe the right congress-people, they wouldn't be getting stomped on.

And yes, the entire medical industry engages in massive Medicare fraud, but they are much less sleazy about it than the DME providers are.


I wish I shared your optimism, but the way I see it the fraud is going to get worse.

As the population ages, you're going to see some combination of rationing and/or price controls implemented.  There's just no other way to afford continuing to provide service.  When that happens, the fraud will increase as providers at all levels look to maintain their current income levels.
 
2013-03-12 09:01:51 AM

JustGetItRight: realmolo: It's going to get a whole lot better, actually. Because both Democrats and Republicans are tired of it. Neither of them wants to give money away to these crooks. *Especially* since they are all small-time crooks. If the DME industry could get together and bribe the right congress-people, they wouldn't be getting stomped on.

And yes, the entire medical industry engages in massive Medicare fraud, but they are much less sleazy about it than the DME providers are.

I wish I shared your optimism, but the way I see it the fraud is going to get worse.

As the population ages, you're going to see some combination of rationing and/or price controls implemented.  There's just no other way to afford continuing to provide service.  When that happens, the fraud will increase as providers at all levels look to maintain their current income levels.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

We need to get cracking before all the ice is gone.
/war is coming
 
2013-03-12 09:48:46 AM

simkatu: untaken_name:   Really sounds like they need some free government money, doesn't it?

I don't know the circumstances of the loan (or grant), but if the intent was for the government to share some of the risk for the development of some new green technology that could reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, then they may very well have needed the money to justify the expense to their shareholders.

/I suspect this was probably a loan, not a grant.


Johnson Controls is one of our clients.  They make seating and interiors for the automotive industry.  Nothing to do with reducing dependence on fossil fuels, or any sort of green tech.
 
2013-03-12 09:54:39 AM
CSB:  One of my co-workers asked me to stop by his desk a couple of minutes ago, and I made a joke about having to wait until I got my power scooter.  He said he could get me one, that his father-in-law has one that he's never used.  I made a joke about Medicare fraud.  He said, "Oh, it's not fraud.  He's entitled to it.  He never used it though, he just got it because it was free."

\your tax dollars at "work"
 
2013-03-12 10:20:22 AM
Gulper Eel: Medicare is not a health-care program. It is a check-cutting program.

Dead on. 100% accurate.
 
2013-03-12 10:48:42 AM

JustGetItRight: Gulper Eel: Medicare is not a health-care program. It is a check-cutting program.

Dead on. 100% accurate.


Civil war protection.
 
2013-03-12 11:25:03 AM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Those things are not light. Anyone who can lift one doesn't need one


You might be overgeneralizing. People with decreased lung function can still lift stuff, they just can't walk distances.
 
2013-03-12 03:56:56 PM

CheekyMonkey: simkatu: untaken_name:   Really sounds like they need some free government money, doesn't it?

I don't know the circumstances of the loan (or grant), but if the intent was for the government to share some of the risk for the development of some new green technology that could reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, then they may very well have needed the money to justify the expense to their shareholders.

/I suspect this was probably a loan, not a grant.

Johnson Controls is one of our clients.  They make seating and interiors for the automotive industry.  Nothing to do with reducing dependence on fossil fuels, or any sort of green tech.


I've also seen the Johnson Controls logo on thermostats in large office, academic, and industrial buildings. They do a lot of things, what you know them for is only one.
 
2013-03-14 02:20:31 AM
Johnson Controls used to have a base market of industrial control systems for automation. As such, saving energy is a high priority. So there is probably some legitimate connection to development funds for some technology the administration wants to advance.
 
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