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(My San Antonio)   We here at the Scooter Store would like everyone to know that even though 150 FBI agents raided our offices and we have laid off everyone in the company as of last Friday, that our company is NOT, and we repeat NOT part of any federal investigation   (mysanantonio.com) divider line 148
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2013-03-11 06:11:10 PM
Usually, the FBI and other police authorities do not allow the suspected criminals to take part in the investigation.
So their claim not to be part of the investigation seems reasonable.
 
2013-03-11 06:15:00 PM

realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.


Care to share a few real-life examples of the more egregious behavior?
 
2013-03-11 06:19:23 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: These f*ckers always seemed shady.


Standard medicare business model. It is why it is so expensive.
 
2013-03-11 06:21:04 PM

poe_zlaw: Counter_Intelligent: More Democrats trying to take away our seniors' mobility!  YAARGH!!

And get right smack dab in the way of capitalism and freedom.  Medicare only pays for them for people who absolutely NEED them.


Wouldn't freedom and capitalism involve the customer paying for the item, not a third party or government? This is more government waste and fraud.
 
2013-03-11 06:22:02 PM

realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.


Why do you hate the elderly. No reform needed.
 
xcv
2013-03-11 06:22:47 PM

realmolo: JustGetItRight: realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME Medical industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money.

FTFY, and it is about to get a whole lot worse.

It's going to get a whole lot better, actually. Because both Democrats and Republicans are tired of it. Neither of them wants to give money away to these crooks. *Especially* since they are all small-time crooks. If the DME industry could get together and bribe the right congress-people, they wouldn't be getting stomped on.

And yes, the entire medical industry engages in massive Medicare fraud, but they are much less sleazy about it than the DME providers are.


There's a neighborhood near me nicknamed Medicare Beach by some healthcare professionals I know. Block after block of luxury cars parked in the drive way of pricey urban mansions all owned by immigrants from former Soviet countries that grew up manipulating bureaucratic institutions in their favor, the US government has nothing on the USSR.
 
2013-03-11 06:23:24 PM

rvesco: Oh, for corn's sake!  I'm a few years away from turning 65, and I was really looking forward to my free scooter.


LULZ. You sure you didn't turn 65 back in '95?
 
2013-03-11 06:24:38 PM
Once the feds start taking your stuff, you are no longer being investigated, they have already determined you are guilty.
 
2013-03-11 06:24:59 PM

meat0918: I wonder how many companies  industries exist only because government funding allows them to exist.


The Aerospace Industry. The Road Building Industry. Every U.S.-based Shipyard. And every U.S. business (of ANY size) within a 25-mile radius of a Military Base.
 
2013-03-11 06:26:14 PM

realmolo: I've said it in other threads...

I work at a company in the "durable medical equipment" (or "DME") industry. We deal with all the stores that sell wheelchairs, and oxygen tanks, and all that stuff.

Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.


I worked in the DME industry for years

It isn't even so much we are actively defrauding Medicare, its the bloody pay schedule that has been written by lobbyist's

when by law you have to bill a 5000% profit or get paid Zero and risk a investigation

Then when you try to tell people that the whole medical industry could be fixed over night if we could bill with a normal profit margin they look at you like you have 3 heads
 
2013-03-11 06:31:23 PM

ShawnDoc: realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

Care to share a few real-life examples of the more egregious behavior?


Lets see...

only about .5% of Cpap/Bipap patients actually need them
"Sleep Studies" are a scam
Hard to get Approval on "Scooter" but dead simple to get one on a Power-chair
pay ~800 for a new Powerchair, by law have to bill 5000

 
2013-03-11 06:41:28 PM

thenumber5: ShawnDoc: realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

Care to share a few real-life examples of the more egregious behavior?

Lets see...

only about .5% of Cpap/Bipap patients actually need them
"Sleep Studies" are a scam
Hard to get Approval on "Scooter" but dead simple to get one on a Power-chair
pay ~800 for a new Powerchair, by law have to bill 5000


800 for a power chair? A real power chair? Not, like, an Ertl model of a power chair or something?

Gonna have to call bullshiat on that one. It's not uncommon for power chairs to cost well into 5 figures. Permobils are commonly over 20k. Even cheaper mid-grade ones like Jazzy start at over a thousand.

As for having to bill 5 grand by law, you'd need to cite a source on that...
 
Ehh
2013-03-11 06:42:52 PM
FBI internal memo: 5:30 Friday, top level of the parking garage: SCOOTER RACE!!!!!1!!!!1
 
2013-03-11 06:43:14 PM

thenumber5: ShawnDoc: realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

Care to share a few real-life examples of the more egregious behavior?

Lets see...

only about .5% of Cpap/Bipap patients actually need them
"Sleep Studies" are a scam

Hard to get Approval on "Scooter" but dead simple to get one on a Power-chair
pay ~800 for a new Powerchair, by law have to bill 5000


Really?  My doctor suggested I'd benefit from a cpap device, and suggested I go to a sleep clinic to be tested for it.  I'd be amazed to find out he was getting kickbacks or anything, he's a pretty good guy.

/Didn't go, figured a cpap mask would get in the way of my drinking
 
2013-03-11 06:45:47 PM
Every time I see some old geezer or some broad who's so fat she's crushed her ankles riding around on one of those scooters, I want to punch them in the head, 'cuz they always say, "It was free." No, you worthless parasite, it wasn't free; I paid for it. I hope the CEO of the Scooter Store goes to prison for life.
 
2013-03-11 06:46:19 PM

hasty ambush: meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.

1.Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
2.SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3.Solyndra ($535 million)*
4.Beacon Power ($43 million)*
5.Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
6.SunPower ($1.2 billion)
7.First Solar ($1.46 billion)
8.Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
9.EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
10.Amonix ($5.9 million)
11.Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
12.Abound Solar ($400 million)*
13.A123 Systems ($279 million)*
14.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)
16.Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
17.ECOtality ($126.2 million)
18.Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
19.Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
20.Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
21.Olsen's Crop Service and Olsen's Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
22.Range Fuels ($80 million)*
23.Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
24.Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
25.Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
26.GreenVolts ($500,000)
27.Vestas ($50 million)
28.LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
29.Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
30.Navistar ($39 million)
31.Satcon ($3 million)*
32.Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
33.Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)


First Solar?  SunPower?  We're just throwing any company on there that took gov't money?  Because those two are very successful.  Should add Exxon to the list.
 
2013-03-11 06:52:41 PM
My wife is an Occupational Therapist and every time one of their commercials would come on tv, she would call them, "the devil" and change the channel.  Some of the problems are that the seats in the wheelchair are just car seat type chairs, that offer no pressure relief.  If you've got someone who's large or has impaired circulation, then they develop decubes very easily.  They aren't adaptive as a persons disease process progresses, which means that they are unable to use them after a while and medicare isn't going to buy a better one.  You also can't use parts from other wheelchairs on them.  You have to buy them from the company and they are much more expensive for items like batteries that need to be replaced.  Also, if you want to have any work done, you have to get their technicians to do it otherwise you void the warranty.
 
2013-03-11 06:52:49 PM

ShadowkahnCRX: thenumber5: ShawnDoc: realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

Care to share a few real-life examples of the more egregious behavior?

Lets see...

only about .5% of Cpap/Bipap patients actually need them
"Sleep Studies" are a scam
Hard to get Approval on "Scooter" but dead simple to get one on a Power-chair
pay ~800 for a new Powerchair, by law have to bill 5000

800 for a power chair? A real power chair? Not, like, an Ertl model of a power chair or something?

Gonna have to call bullshiat on that one. It's not uncommon for power chairs to cost well into 5 figures. Permobils are commonly over 20k. Even cheaper mid-grade ones like Jazzy start at over a thousand.

As for having to bill 5 grand by law, you'd need to cite a source on that...


It called having a contract with the supplier. the Average list price of a Drive, Invacare, or Pride chair would be about ~1500

but when you have a Rep and are not ordering from the catalog you can get a much better price

Now as far as billing, its called the Medicare Fee Schedule. You bill what it tells you to bill and you get paid 80% of your billing
 
2013-03-11 06:52:58 PM

meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.


The auto industry.
 
2013-03-11 06:53:17 PM
I guess I'm part of the .5% that actually need a CPAP. That thing has literally changed my life. And I paid $2k for it.
 
2013-03-11 06:57:51 PM
Personally I don't give a shait if a couple of fat farks who shouldn't have received mobility scooters on the government's dime.  It if helps their quality of life, meh..let them have it.  If they are ringing up sales and billing the government fraudulently that's a different story and I hope somebody sees the inside of a cell for a while.   But 150 agents?  I'd rather see those agents swarming all over KBR and the like for the money they bilked out of the US in Iraq.  They ripped us off like the likes of the Scooter Store could only dream of.
 
2013-03-11 06:58:05 PM

toraque: thenumber5: ShawnDoc: realmolo: Essentially, the entire DME industry is based on defrauding Medicare. That's how they all make their money. It's sickening.

Care to share a few real-life examples of the more egregious behavior?

Lets see...

only about .5% of Cpap/Bipap patients actually need them
"Sleep Studies" are a scam
Hard to get Approval on "Scooter" but dead simple to get one on a Power-chair
pay ~800 for a new Powerchair, by law have to bill 5000

Really?  My doctor suggested I'd benefit from a cpap device, and suggested I go to a sleep clinic to be tested for it.  I'd be amazed to find out he was getting kickbacks or anything, he's a pretty good guy.

/Didn't go, figured a cpap mask would get in the way of my drinking


dont get me wrong they are a real medical device that some people really do need

but, they are very easy to get approval for and it inst unheard of for DME's to reward Clinics for ever patient they send

now as far as "Sleep Clinics" Likely you Doctor owns a stack in the clinic and gets a % of the Billing

Check you EOB's Some times you will be shocked at what a simple 5 min "Checkup/refill" appointment is being billed for
 
2013-03-11 06:59:10 PM

MethylTryp: I guess I'm part of the .5% that actually need a CPAP. That thing has literally changed my life. And I paid $2k for it.


I'm a nurse and back when I used to work in a nursing home, almost no one who had a CPAP would wear them.  I can think of one resident who wore it on a semi regular basis.  The rest of them hated it and would object to having it put on, that is when the nurses weren't too lazy to even offer.
 
2013-03-11 06:59:28 PM

Takeshi6400: My wife is an Occupational Therapist and every time one of their commercials would come on tv, she would call them, "the devil" and change the channel.  Some of the problems are that the seats in the wheelchair are just car seat type chairs, that offer no pressure relief.  If you've got someone who's large or has impaired circulation, then they develop decubes very easily.  They aren't adaptive as a persons disease process progresses, which means that they are unable to use them after a while and medicare isn't going to buy a better one.  You also can't use parts from other wheelchairs on them.  You have to buy them from the company and they are much more expensive for items like batteries that need to be replaced.  Also, if you want to have any work done, you have to get their technicians to do it otherwise you void the warranty.


ohgodohgodohgod ohgodohgodohgod ohgodohgodohgod  WHY did I look up what that was!
 
2013-03-11 07:00:55 PM
Oh, and given the responses to my earlier question, the apparent answer is "All of them".
 
2013-03-11 07:01:52 PM

MethylTryp: I guess I'm part of the .5% that actually need a CPAP. That thing has literally changed my life. And I paid $2k for it.


Do you have Insurance and a verifiable condition?

because even the top of the line with all the fancy shiat only run 1k retail
 
2013-03-11 07:04:19 PM
Here at the Cooter store we sell cooters at half price if you got a guvment voucher.

i.imgur.com

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But wait theres more!
 Comein on Saturday and get a free grabbing stick. Grab item off of the top shelf without having your younguns have to climb up to get at them.
 
2013-03-11 07:06:17 PM

Takeshi6400: MethylTryp: I guess I'm part of the .5% that actually need a CPAP. That thing has literally changed my life. And I paid $2k for it.

I'm a nurse and back when I used to work in a nursing home, almost no one who had a CPAP would wear them.  I can think of one resident who wore it on a semi regular basis.  The rest of them hated it and would object to having it put on, that is when the nurses weren't too lazy to even offer.


it was nothing ,when i was supplying them, for at the 6 month Follow up/see if they need a new mask to find the majority used it for a week and never touched it again or never even took the mask out of it packaging
 
2013-03-11 07:12:15 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: uncleacid: Repo man is coming to get your scooter.

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And he won't be subtle about it, either.


No one is going to repo a scooter/powerchair

any DME around already has more then enough in the back to cover the rental market

and once a chair is "used" you cant put it out to medicare patients
 
2013-03-11 07:15:11 PM
At Disney World this week and was at Animal Kingdom today. Unluckily got stuck behind a fat fark on one of these chairs. I was pushing a stroller, she decides to just stop in the middle of a walkway and I barely tap her scooter. She turns to give me the evil eye when I notice why she stopped, to take a bite of a whip cream covered funnel cake.

I'm sure it's a medical condition though.
 
2013-03-11 07:16:40 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: I'm sure it's a medical condition though.


Obesity is a medical condition.
 
2013-03-11 07:17:07 PM
I use a cpap. The one my doctor prescribed for me was damaged in an auto accident. I tried to get a replacement, and insurance wouldn't cover it. So I went to buy my own, and the price my doctor wanted for a replacement was around $2000. So I went on the internet, since <b>I</b> was paying for it, and found one that was only $400 (a deVeblis) that also had a 12v adapter. This was at CPAP.COM.  Since I camp about 3 months out of the year, this was very helpful to me. So when buying a medical device, consider shopping around.
 
Ehh
2013-03-11 07:26:33 PM

meat0918: Takeshi6400: My wife is an Occupational Therapist and every time one of their commercials would come on tv, she would call them, "the devil" and change the channel.  Some of the problems are that the seats in the wheelchair are just car seat type chairs, that offer no pressure relief.  If you've got someone who's large or has impaired circulation, then they develop decubes very easily. 

ohgodohgodohgod ohgodohgodohgod ohgodohgodohgod  WHY did I look up what that was!


Never, ever, GIS a medical term unless you already know you can handle it
 

/ulcerative colitis
/fecaluria
 
2013-03-11 07:32:50 PM
After my 2nd cervical fusion, I had to have a bone fusion stimulator.  Thank god I had a Cadillac plan at the time, it showed as $5000 on my insurance bill.
 
2013-03-11 07:33:39 PM

meat0918: Takeshi6400: My wife is an Occupational Therapist and every time one of their commercials would come on tv, she would call them, "the devil" and change the channel.  Some of the problems are that the seats in the wheelchair are just car seat type chairs, that offer no pressure relief.  If you've got someone who's large or has impaired circulation, then they develop decubes very easily.  They aren't adaptive as a persons disease process progresses, which means that they are unable to use them after a while and medicare isn't going to buy a better one.  You also can't use parts from other wheelchairs on them.  You have to buy them from the company and they are much more expensive for items like batteries that need to be replaced.  Also, if you want to have any work done, you have to get their technicians to do it otherwise you void the warranty.

ohgodohgodohgod ohgodohgodohgod ohgodohgodohgod  WHY did I look up what that was!


When I was a wound care nurse I had to change a dressing on a woman who had a decube on her butt that had tunneled 5cm deep.  When I was pulling the packing out, it would be soaked in serous fluid and I always thought it looked like spaghetti.  This was always before lunch.
 
2013-03-11 07:39:29 PM

hasty ambush: meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.

15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)


Johnson Controls has a market cap of $24 Billion with 170,000 employees and $42 Billion in revenue every year.   If they are surviving because of a $299 million grant from the government, then I pretty sure we got a pretty good bang for our buck as taxpayers.
 
2013-03-11 07:41:07 PM
Has anyone ever watched one of those commercials and not thought; there  should be an investigation into Medicare and Medicaid fraud here?
 
2013-03-11 07:41:35 PM
I hope they find some stuff to imprison some folks.
Pretty obvious what they were up to from day 1.
 
2013-03-11 07:43:09 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: First Solar? SunPower? We're just throwing any company on there that took gov't money? Because those two are very successful. Should add Exxon to the list.


I'm sure they are as success as the #3 on the list, Solyndra.
 
2013-03-11 07:45:07 PM

simkatu: hasty ambush: meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.

15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)

Johnson Controls has a market cap of $24 Billion with 170,000 employees and $42 Billion in revenue every year.   If they are surviving because of a $299 million grant from the government, then I pretty sure we got a pretty good bang for our buck as taxpayers.


Really sounds like they need some free government money, doesn't it?
 
2013-03-11 07:51:11 PM
untaken_name:   Really sounds like they need some free government money, doesn't it?

I don't know the circumstances of the loan (or grant), but if the intent was for the government to share some of the risk for the development of some new green technology that could reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, then they may very well have needed the money to justify the expense to their shareholders.

/I suspect this was probably a loan, not a grant.
 
2013-03-11 07:54:01 PM

simkatu: untaken_name:   Really sounds like they need some free government money, doesn't it?

I don't know the circumstances of the loan (or grant), but if the intent was for the government to share some of the risk for the development of some new green technology that could reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, then they may very well have needed the money to justify the expense to their shareholders.

/I suspect this was probably a loan, not a grant.


Yeah, so...my original point stands. Also, I'm not sure that we're going to do anything to reduce our dependence on one of the largest lobbies in D.C.
 
2013-03-11 07:56:04 PM

untaken_name: simkatu: hasty ambush: meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.

15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)

Johnson Controls has a market cap of $24 Billion with 170,000 employees and $42 Billion in revenue every year.   If they are surviving because of a $299 million grant from the government, then I pretty sure we got a pretty good bang for our buck as taxpayers.

Really sounds like they need some free government money, doesn't it?


Universities really need all that free government scholarship money from poor people don't they?

/Technically the people getting the item are getting the "free government money".
 
2013-03-11 07:56:26 PM
The government is even more helpful if you want to sell things you aren't actually sending out.  Medicare numbers are typically your social security number followed by the letter A, or if you're a dependent (house wife that never worked or something) then it is your spouse's number followed by a B.  If you guess wrong, the Medicare contractor will usually helpfully correct it for you so you can get paid.

There are a ton of possibilities on the Medicare number makeup, but that would let you guess almost everyone's number if you got their super secret social security number from somewhere.

Might have changed, but technically to get a power chair paid for by Medicare, it is because you can't get around your home in a regular wheel chair, they aren't paid for because you need one when you go shopping or on a vacation.

Also consider prosthetic limb fraud, the fee schedule for those had some nice reimbursement rates.
 
2013-03-11 08:02:08 PM
kidsizedcoffin:

Also consider prosthetic limb fraud, the fee schedule for those had some nice reimbursement rates.

The problem with that racket is that the startup costs are huge.  It really takes an arm and a leg to get it going.
 
2013-03-11 08:05:37 PM

hasty ambush: meat0918: I wonder how many companies exist only because government funding allows them to exist.

1.Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
2.SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3.Solyndra ($535 million)*
4.Beacon Power ($43 million)*
5.Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
6.SunPower ($1.2 billion)
7.First Solar ($1.46 billion)
8.Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
9.EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
10.Amonix ($5.9 million)
11.Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
12.Abound Solar ($400 million)*
13.A123 Systems ($279 million)*
14.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)
16.Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
17.ECOtality ($126.2 million)
18.Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
19.Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
20.Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
21.Olsen's Crop Service and Olsen's Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
22.Range Fuels ($80 million)*
23.Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
24.Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
25.Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
26.GreenVolts ($500,000)
27.Vestas ($50 million)
28.LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
29.Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
30.Navistar ($39 million)
31.Satcon ($3 million)*
32.Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
33.Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)


You forgot a few:

General Dynamics
Lockheed Martin
Sikorsky
Oshkosh
Raytheon
Northrop Grumman
URS
 
2013-03-11 08:12:14 PM

Yogimus: Universities really need all that free government scholarship money from poor people don't they?


You probably don't want to take the university tack with me. I do not support the current university system in any way, except financially through the police power of the state, and that against my will.
 
2013-03-11 08:13:34 PM
I'm not buying anything unless it flies and uses antigravity.
 
2013-03-11 08:15:17 PM

untaken_name: Yogimus: Universities really need all that free government scholarship money from poor people don't they?

You probably don't want to take the university tack with me. I do not support the current university system in any way, except financially through the police power of the state, and that against my will.


Oh I agree that today's educational system is a bucket of arsefark. However, I believe that my analogy is correct.  The "free money" is going to the person, not the company. (of course the company is using it to grow their customer base, and profit greatly from it)
 
2013-03-11 08:16:41 PM

thenumber5: and once a chair is "used" you cant put it out to medicare patients


gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net
Why not? It's just more meat in the gym mats, if you know what I mean.
 
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