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(Gothamist)   Is it humane to bring Grumpy Cat and other Internet famous animals on publicity tours? Does all the exploitation and camera flashes make them grumpy?   (gothamist.com) divider line 111
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2013-03-11 06:49:05 PM

Treygreen13: What, would you imagine, Grumpy Cat would do with money?


Vet care. She's a dwarf. They come with health problems above and beyond the average housecat. She may need $$$$$$$ as she ages.
 
2013-03-11 06:49:48 PM
I'm grumpy, and nobody ever made a farking meme out of me!
 
2013-03-11 06:52:53 PM

Counter_Intelligent: I think it's fine.  Heaven forbid some overzealous fool try to apply this reasoning to pet shows.


This. Not to mention, well, any animal shows. I showed my fair share of animals in 4-H in my youth. And of the sheep, most were heritage breeding stock, and stood from the rest. They got plenty of attention. Especially the rams. And this was over four or five days, in a tent (later an open-air barn), in the summer. Some of the sheep liked it better than others -- one particularly docile ram loved the attention -- but all of them helped people to learn more about livestock diversity. Or at least that some sheep have horns. And of course I was at the fair to watch over my sheep and take care of them.

I don't know how much anyone is actually learning from Grumpy Cat, but arguably her owners are in the best position to know how much she can handle. They may be getting a lot of publicity out of this, but it doesn't sound like they're getting rich or anything.

/And Grumpy doesn't exactly look stressed.
//Kind of the opposite, actually.
 
2013-03-11 06:54:16 PM

Treygreen13: Rich Cream: Treygreen13: But that's just it. He's a cat. He'll lay around and look grumpy whether or not he's famous. They're not selling his fur to make Grumpy Quilts. The owners of Grumpy Cat taking him to a music festival so he can be petted and ooh'd and aah'd over isn't exploitation because Grumpy Cat doesn't lose anything. Because he's a cat.

And the money/fame will guarantee that the cat can have the best food/treats/toys/medical care for the rest of his life.

You need to lose something to be exploited? Ummm, no.

1. use or utilization, especially for profit: the exploitation of newly discovered oil fields. 2. selfish utilization: He got ahead through the exploitation of his friends. 3. the combined, often varied, use of public-relations and advertising techniques to promote a person, movie, product, etc.  
You're arguing 2. I'm saying 1 and 3.

Oh, so what you meant was the neutral definition of exploitation. So using him in any way is "exploitation". Got it. Would taking a picture of him and putting it on a website be exploitation, under your definition? How about letting someone come see him at their house? Also exploitation, right? How about telling somebody about Grumpy Cat? Also exploitation?


Yeah, that's exploitation. Your assumption is that "exploiting" something is de facto bad. Use or utilization of something for profit is not always bad. Although use of the word "exploitation" has generally negative connotations, it doesn't NEED to be bad. In this case, the "use or utilization" of Grumpy Cat does not harm the cat, but is "exploitation" of a resource under the neutral definition. But it's not a bad thing as "exploitation" is often considered.
 
2013-03-11 06:59:50 PM
The question of "humane" in this article gives me a nervous tic I only had when taking a require ethics class in college.

/that shiat made no sense to me
//I was a pretty good student in every other class
///have never been called "unethical"
////overzealous slashy-user, yes, but not unethical
//
 
2013-03-11 07:02:29 PM

namegoeshere: Treygreen13: What, would you imagine, Grumpy Cat would do with money?

Vet care. She's a dwarf. They come with health problems above and beyond the average housecat. She may need $$$$$$$ as she ages.


Yup. Hip surgery would be a top bet and it's rather pricey.
 
2013-03-11 07:04:37 PM
All depends on the cat. My two old cats before the last one would suction up the attention like black holes. My last cat would simply be suspicious and annoyed. My sister's cat would literally climb the dry wall to the ceiling and die of a heart attack.
 
2013-03-11 07:04:58 PM
There really needs to be more grumpy cat pictures in here
 
2013-03-11 07:07:55 PM

maxheck: How many hours at a time was this kid used as a prop at the 2008 RNC convention?

i50.tinypic.com

Look it's a retard!  Holding a kid!
 
2013-03-11 07:12:55 PM

Treygreen13: Would taking a picture of him and putting it on a website be exploitation, under your definition? How about letting someone come see him at their house?


How would you feel if it were a picture of you?


Gyrfalcon: but is "exploitation" of a resource under the neutral definition


Technically correct.
 
2013-03-11 07:19:12 PM

Gyrfalcon: Yeah, that's exploitation. Your assumption is that "exploiting" something is de facto bad. Use or utilization of something for profit is not always bad. Although use of the word "exploitation" has generally negative connotations, it doesn't NEED to be bad. In this case, the "use or utilization" of Grumpy Cat does not harm the cat, but is "exploitation" of a resource under the neutral definition. But it's not a bad thing as "exploitation" is often considered.


So, to wrap this all up so we can get back to our normal lives... this guy is saying, "A lot of people think we are marketing the cat or making money off it in some way, however we aren't using it or making money off it in any way."

Sounds like the guy is totally delusional. You guys were totally right to point out that a cat on a promotional tour is being promoted for somebody's benefit.

And these people who are questioning how "humane" it is and noting how odd it is that PETA feels ok with it aren't concerned with the negative connotation of "exploitation". They're worried that he's marketing it. Because that's the real definition of exploitation he meant, and the guy in the article who is assuaging our concerns about is really only trying to tell us he's not utilizing the cat in any way.

I'm the one who is jumping to conclusions. Glad we've got this cleared up.
 
2013-03-11 07:20:26 PM

Rich Cream: Treygreen13: Would taking a picture of him and putting it on a website be exploitation, under your definition? How about letting someone come see him at their house?

How would you feel if it were a picture of you?


Do I look like a cat to you boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? DO YOU SEE ME EATING MICE?
 
2013-03-11 07:29:10 PM
Automatically discredited article for heavily quoting PETA and taking their point of view seriously.

If you're going to solicit advice from an animal rights organization, try a normal, sane one like the Humane Society, not a ranting extremist organization that kills animals.
 
2013-03-11 07:32:21 PM

Roja Herring: You look grumps... who's grumps?!


*sings* My Grumps, my Grumps, my lovely lovely Grumps.
 
2013-03-11 07:36:05 PM
People who use flash photography on animals should be beaten on the soles of their feet with reeds until they can't walk, and then pelted with ice berg lettuce heads and rotten tomatoes until they manage to crawl out of town or we run out of nasty produce.

Also we should kindly they don't do it again, at the edge of town, but still kindly.
 
2013-03-11 07:37:59 PM

ZombiesYall: Is all the Random Capitalization in that article Supposed To Be Funny? Also, I don't know why anyone would line up to see Grumpy Cat in person.


I was wondering why the article didn't link to "26 Photos Of Pets Pretending To Apply For A Reverse Mortgage."  Then I did a Google search on "26 Photos Of Pets Pretending To Apply For A Reverse Mortgage" and apparently it doesn't exist.  So now I feel cheated.

And grumpy.
 
2013-03-11 07:38:28 PM
Troll article is trolling.
 
2013-03-11 07:39:41 PM

Cagey B: More humane than bringing that "free cat", anyway.


multimedia.getresponse.com
Did you say "free cad fud"?
 
2013-03-11 07:42:16 PM

doglover: People who use flash photography on animals


Maybe we should let the animals handle the flash photography then.  As soon as they figure out how to work a camera.

dailyotter.org

/Okay, that was just an excuse to post the photo.
 
2013-03-11 07:42:53 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: Treygreen13: Rich Cream: "A lot of people think we are exploiting the cat, but..."

So all the money you are getting is going to the cat?

No, it isn't. So don't say you aren't exploiting when you obviously are.

/people

What, would you imagine, Grumpy Cat would do with money?

Buy $1000 worth of cat toys. And you can't take them back because they've got spit all over them.


Oh, sure, they're FUN ...
 
2013-03-11 07:43:35 PM
i1353.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-11 07:44:03 PM

Rich Cream: Treygreen13: Would taking a picture of him and putting it on a website be exploitation, under your definition? How about letting someone come see him at their house?

How would you feel if it were a picture of you?


Gyrfalcon: but is "exploitation" of a resource under the neutral definition

Technically correct.


i.qkme.me
 
2013-03-11 07:45:41 PM
img267.imageshack.us

Friends here in Austin who have gone to the Grumpy Cat picture sessions say that touching Grumpy Cat is strictly verboten.
 
2013-03-11 07:47:26 PM

FunkOut: All depends on the cat. My two old cats before the last one would suction up the attention like black holes. My last cat would simply be suspicious and annoyed. My sister's cat would literally climb the dry wall to the ceiling and die of a heart attack.


Yeah, the cat I grew up with would not react well to this. She never liked other people much, and for parties she was either in a closet somewhere or far away from the house hiding in the woods, depending on whether it was above or below 60 degrees or so. She's gotten to be even worse about it in her old age, though she's now more demanding of attention than ever with the people she does trust. If a stranger gets a little too touchy, she gets a little stabby, and even at a few weeks short of17, she still keeps her claws sharp and is proficient in their use.

My sister's cat, on the other hand, would love all the attention. He's a ham, and constantly bounces around trying to draw as much attention as he can.
 
2013-03-11 07:47:56 PM

Glitchwerks: doglover: People who use flash photography on animals

Maybe we should let the animals handle the flash photography then.  As soon as they figure out how to work a camera.


4.bp.blogspot.com

It is time to make ze magics.
 
2013-03-11 07:49:18 PM

doglover: People who use flash photography on animals should be beaten on the soles of their feet with reeds until they can't walk, and then pelted with ice berg lettuce heads and rotten tomatoes until they manage to crawl out of town or we run out of nasty produce.

Also we should kindly they don't do it again, at the edge of town, but still kindly.


You sound cruel and inhumane, like somebody who has taken flash photos of his children.
Seriously, our eyes and nerves work pretty just like those of our pets.
If it isn't cruel to use flash when photographing people, why would you assume it's cruel and inhuman to use flash on animals?
 
2013-03-11 07:50:29 PM
Two Grumpy Cats articles today? It's my lucky day!

If she were mine, I wouldn't take her out and about. Though she may not look stressed it doesn't mean she isn't. She's not exactly a normal little cat. Hopefully she won't have to do this sort of thing often.

And since this thread needs more pictures, here are a couple (the other kitty is her brother Pokey, who has the same genetic weirdness).

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img.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-11 07:52:52 PM

Glitchwerks: doglover: People who use flash photography on animals

Maybe we should let the animals handle the flash photography then.  As soon as they figure out how to work a camera.


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-11 07:56:10 PM
FWIW, in the "old days" of flash bulbs, you would be dazzled for up to a minute by a flash. It was sort of interesting to experience, but not painful.
These days, electronic flashes are much, much faster. There is a chemical reaction in the sensors in our eyes, that allows us to detect light. There is a speed at which this chemical reaction occurs, which is mostly substantially slower than the high speed of electronic flash. This non-linear response to light due to variation in speed of chemical reaction is known as "reciprocity failure". (It's a well known effect for old film photographers. It meant that you needed extra light when using film with electronic flash. Digital cameras don't have this kind of limitation, as much, and are MUCH more sensitive to high speed flash than our eyes are.)

So why don't you get worked up about something that actually matters? If your cat or dog objects to flash photos, they will definitely let you know.
 
2013-03-11 07:58:30 PM

ban_sidhe: Glitchwerks: doglover: People who use flash photography on animals

Maybe we should let the animals handle the flash photography then.  As soon as they figure out how to work a camera.

[img.photobucket.com image 381x410]


LOL
 
2013-03-11 07:59:38 PM

Treygreen13: Do I look like a cat to you boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? DO YOU SEE ME EATING MICE?



You haven't heard my offer yet.
 
2013-03-11 07:59:49 PM
suckmytrend.com
 
2013-03-11 08:03:06 PM

gregscott: it isn't cruel to use flash when photographing people


Where did I say this? Where did I even imply it?

But humans have lex talionis to fall back on. Our backwards little society doesn't yet extend such rights to other sentient creatures. So we have to enforce it on their behalf.
 
2013-03-11 08:06:56 PM
ban_sidhe: img.photobucket.com

In Search of Sunrise Volume 23 - In the Backyard

DJ Grumpy Cat
 
2013-03-11 08:07:13 PM
It is awful how they exploit that Honey Boo Boo piglet.
 
2013-03-11 08:20:08 PM

Old Man Winter: It is awful how they exploit that Honey Boo Boo piglet.


yummyolympic.files.wordpress.com

Snorts at your hilarious comment.
/I literally laughed out loud.
 
2013-03-11 08:40:23 PM

maxheck: How many hours at a time was this kid used as a prop at the 2008 RNC convention?
[i50.tinypic.com image 350x237]


Funny you should bring up the Palin baby. He shares a name with grumpy cat.
 
2013-03-11 08:41:59 PM
We've seen the tragic consequences of giving these animals their 15 minutes of fame, time and time again.  Just like Octomom, I expect these animals to end up stripping and doing porn just to get by.  It's pathetic.
 
2013-03-11 08:42:42 PM

jaytkay: maxheck: How many hours at a time was this kid used as a prop at the 2008 RNC convention?
[i50.tinypic.com image 350x237]

Funny you should bring up the Palin baby. He shares a name with grumpy cat.


Sauce?
 
2013-03-11 08:43:16 PM
That is one cute cat.

/ yeah, I said it
 
2013-03-11 08:43:27 PM

My personal fave:

i36.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-11 08:45:45 PM

Therion: Friends here in Austin who have gone to the Grumpy Cat picture sessions say that touching Grumpy Cat is strictly verboten.


My friend works at KXAN Austin and has pictures of the entire crew holding him. Could be different rules for smaller groups.

/He looks pissed to be there.
 
2013-03-11 09:04:11 PM

Glitchwerks: ban_sidhe: [img.photobucket.com image 800x533]

In Search of Sunrise Volume 23 - In the Backyard

DJ Grumpy Cat


img35.imageshack.us

/ quik n dirtay
 
2013-03-11 09:07:45 PM

Primitive Screwhead: My personal fave:
[i36.photobucket.com image 400x388]


lulz

That's awesome!
 
2013-03-11 09:12:02 PM

Glitchwerks: ban_sidhe: [img.photobucket.com image 800x533]

In Search of Sunrise Volume 23 - In the Backyard

DJ Grumpy Cat


OK one more:

img138.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-11 09:19:28 PM

DeltaPunch: Glitchwerks: ban_sidhe: [img.photobucket.com image 800x533]

In Search of Sunrise Volume 23 - In the Backyard

DJ Grumpy Cat

OK one more:

[img138.imageshack.us image 500x456]


LOL, great work.
 
2013-03-11 09:25:39 PM

Abox: maxheck: How many hours at a time was this kid used as a prop at the 2008 RNC convention?
[i50.tinypic.com image 350x237]

Look it's a retard!  Holding a kid!


HA!
 
2013-03-11 09:52:55 PM

maxheck: How many hours at a time was this kid used as a prop at the 2008 RNC convention?
[i50.tinypic.com image 350x237]


i451.photobucket.com
im bad people
 
2013-03-11 09:59:11 PM
Just when I think user content is better entertainment then paid television, I see this shiat and realize its about 5 times more retarded then any jersey shore or any other MTV trash can ever be.

its a cat with a stupid face, the joke was over after the first picture.
 
2013-03-11 10:21:48 PM

gregscott: You know, grumpy cat is lucky. If he were a chicken, we would normally just eat him. Doing little or no work, he's actually supporting his human, not the other way around. So good for his owner. Whoever complains is just secretly jealous.


Yeah, THIS.

Owners of pigs exploit them by eating them or selling them to other people to eat, as do owners of cows, chickens, lambs, goats, alligators, and numerous other animals.

The cat gets to live, probably eats well, and in exchange has to meet lots of people.  The cat won't be eaten.  And anyone whining about it needs to STFU and GTFO.
 
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