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(Talking Points Memo)   NRA chief Wayne LaPierre's 336-page survival manual on sale for only $4.95. When society collapses, you'll be able to burn it for heat   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 70
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2013-03-11 04:00:18 PM  
5 votes:

dittybopper: OH MY GOD!  It's *HORRIBLE* that he would write something like that!  The man is obviously an inhuman monster!


No, he's a fearmongering shyster, laughing all the way to the bank. He's a grifter. A con artist.
2013-03-11 10:47:39 PM  
3 votes:
Idiots.  This whole farce is a manufactured controversy.   "Oooh, Obama is going to take our guns!"  "Oooh, Obama is tearing up the constitution!"  "Oooh, Obama is going to let the UN invade Texas and install election overwatchers who will actually throw things for Obama because he can't win Ohio!"  I've heard that shiat over and over and over again and it's so damned tiresome.  Never mind that none of this shiat ever actually happens.

What DOES happen, though, is the usual people come along, dropping all the handy buzzwords that get your jingoism and paranoia on high alert, and you rush to do whatever it is they need you to do.  Your training has been so damned Pavlovian that I'm amazed that none of you ever stopped to notice that you all drool on queue.  You're not the "defenders of liberty", you're not the "protectors of the sanctity of marriage", and you sure as hell not the voice of reason.  I wouldn't trust you to even make sure an innocent kid could walk down the street with a can of tea and a bag of skittles could make it two blocks without dying.

No, what you are is fertile soil.  The people who manipulate you rip you apart, line you up in nice neat little rows, fill you full of so much shiat that your family gives up on you.  And then when you're nice and isolated, they start injecting you with seeds of stupidity, conspiracy, and ignorance.  And when it's time to reap that harvest, you fools cheer the arrival of the combine.  You are are the basis of a callous industry.  And you have no idea!  You're nothing more than a windfall for those smarter than you.  A broken one-armed bandit that always pays out because the wheels always line up with DERP DERP DERP.

The end of this country isn't gonna be because Obama fiddled while the country burned.  The end of the country isn't going to be because someone you voted into office decided that maybe giving up high capacity mags full of hydroshocks is a good trade for the life of at least one child.  The end of the country isn't going to happen because Ed and Ned down the street decided to wear white during their wedding.   Nope, the end will come when a bunch of jingoist ignorant twelfth-century reenactors suddenly wanted to know if history does in fact repeat itself.  The collapse will come under metric tons of willful ignorance.  And you fools will cheer it.

You farking disgust me.
2013-03-11 07:02:21 PM  
3 votes:
The NRA may once have served a useful purpose, but I can guarantee you that they do not give a single damn about the 2nd amendment.

The purpose of the NRA is to further making money for the NRA.

CS,B:

I used to have a client in the early 2000's that rented space in the NRA's Fairfax headquarters. The lobby is pretty much what you'd expect, lots of flintlocks and crying eagle tchotckies on display.

Since I'm a smoker, I ended up spending a fair amount of time out in the smoking area, (ahem) shooting the breeze with other people who worked in the building, and I got into some conversations with mid-level guys from the NRA.

They were completely unabashed about the fact that they made up bullshiat crises in order to get their members riled up and sending in money. I didn't know the term "Overton Window" at the time, but that was exactly what they were pushing, and these guys were proud of it, and quite happy to talk about it with some random guy in the smoking area.

What amazed me was the guys saying this didn't care... at all. Yeah, I was just some long-haired IT geek who worked up on 4, but so far as they knew I could have been Libby McLibberton, star investigative reporter for the Gun Grabber Gazette.

I can see the purpose for something like the NRA. The ACLU handles all the other amendments, and of course hunters / shooters / collectors can have a lobby just as dentists and stamp collectors can.

But that's not what the NRA is about. The NRA is about making money for the NRA.
2013-03-11 06:44:24 PM  
3 votes:
jso2897: Honestly, I used to think that was the case. Then I saw the kind of farking madhouse New Orleans turned into during Katrina. Cops randomly shooting families, HAM radio operators becoming the C3 infrastructure for rescue crews, thousands of people living in a stadium with insufficient food and sanitation facilities. I'm not saying its likely to happen again or that we didn't learn lessons, but after seeing that I'll never quite look down on "preppers" as a class the way I might have otherwise.

/learning primitive survival skills is fun and potentially useful in all kinds of situations
//less so learning them from a DC lobbyist
2013-03-11 06:34:15 PM  
3 votes:
We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
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2013-03-11 03:44:45 PM  
3 votes:
So what's on the other 335 pages after the first one just says "BUY MOAR GUNZ" written in his own poo?
2013-03-12 12:41:51 AM  
2 votes:

djh0101010: Thanks for exemplifying my point about "insulting us while you refuse to understand us".  Obama's "reasonable" proposals include bypassing congress to institute a bunch of ideas which aren't what they claim to be, and won't help.


I have a gun cabinet full of guns, and I used to consider myself a Republican back when the party still had some tidbits of sanity left.  I've also been a card carrying member of the NRA.  Again, back when they still had vestiges of sanity.  I killed my first white-tailed deer when I was 12 and my father made me carry it the whole freaking way out across my shoulders.  I was soaked in the blood of the deer I'd just gutted.  Yeah, I think I understand "You" pretty well.  And "you" are freaking wrong on this issue.

How about, instead, we put the bad guys in jail longer if they use guns in crimes?  That way, the criminals are punished, society is protected, and nobody who isn't a criminal is infringed upon?

How about not treating a multiple cause issue as if it were only one cause?  How about we don't pretend like just one single thing will fix things and instead approach a multiple cause problem with multiple solutions?  First, make it harder for crazed assholes to slaughter people en masse.  There's gun control.  Second, work on mental health care and get it overhauled.  That's gonna take many years.  Second, fix the bullshiat war on drugs so our prisons aren't past capacity and we have the farking ROOM to keep gun violence violators in there.  Third, fix campaign finance reform so special interest groups don't have more sway than the common farking citizens, so our votes are more important than goddamned super PACs.  You with me or not?

Seriously.  Can we start with that please, see how it goes, and work from there?  Project Exile, in Virginia, in the 1990s, had a 40% reduction in violent crime when they did that.  Can we do that, instead of another ban on this or that weapons, which we spent 10 years seeing already that it doesn't do anything to the crime rate?

DC banned pistols, but there was still tons of pistol based gun crime.  Wanna know why?  Not that gun control don't work.  It's that it don't work when you're the only one doin' it.  Guns don't respect boundaries.  You ain't gonna bail out a sinking ship by bailing alone from the one end.

Can you justify spending so much money on an assault weapons ban, which proved for TEN YEARS to do nothing, when just putting bad guys in jail longer has such a dramatic effect?  Oh, we might have to let  some pot smokers out of jail to put the violent criminals in longer, but, y'know what?  I think society can deal with that.

Pisswhiffle.  It's not a single cause issue and requires a multiple fix.  As per my note above.  And I'll say that since WE as a society have failed, it's up to us an man up and take our medicine.  If that means no high capacity clips until this shiat is sorted out, so be it.  Part of being an adult is not being a gimp about responsibility.  Man up.
2013-03-11 08:39:46 PM  
2 votes:

jaytkay: The_Sponge: what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

I look for Martin Luther King Blvd......and then I try to get away from that street as quickly as possible.

I wonder why gun enthusiasts have a reputation as frightened bedwetters?


I wonder why most gun grabbers have a reputation as ignorant pussies who think the world would magically be a better place if they could ban all guns.
2013-03-11 06:59:45 PM  
2 votes:
I'd rather have Wayne LaPierre as a neighbor when the shiat goes down than any of you neckbearded beta males. That six pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon in your fridge won't go very far.
2013-03-11 06:31:36 PM  
2 votes:

Not_The_Target_Market: Car_Ramrod: MontanaDave: factoryconnection: Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.

This isn't about making money on book sales. It is all about generating leads.

The leads are weak.

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Harriet and Blah-blah Nyborg....


I can't decide whether that is one of the greatest movies ever made or one of the worst. It obviously is a screenplay adapted from a stage play. But some of the acting is amazing. But some of the acting is atrocious. The problem is I have troubles deciding what the great acting is and what the terrible acting is.

Jack Lemmon was amazing. I just can't make up my mind about the rest of them. All right, Ed Harris was amazing in his nuance.

But Alec Baldwin? Dustin Hoffman? Alan Arkin? Kevin Spacey? I can't decide whether they're amazing or terrible.
2013-03-11 06:07:22 PM  
2 votes:

Gyrfalcon: when you are traveling across country what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city? what do you do if there is a knock on the door in the middle of the night with a stranger asking for help?"

Does it point out the obvious fact that if you pull off the interstate in an unfamiliar city, YOU will be the stranger knocking on the door in the middle of the night asking for help? These poor freaks are wildly missing the fact that they're treating everyone like crazed maniacs and thieves....but will someday need help from those same maniacs. And then what will they do?


Well they'll get the family out of the car and utilize the small unit tactics gone over in the manual. Kill the maniacal family living in that home and occupy the dwelling until rescue by fellow patriots or resources are depleted.
2013-03-11 04:54:46 PM  
2 votes:

Nadie_AZ: "this book is a must have for all families," Nelson wrote. "although Wayne LaPierre is not a survivalist he certainly fires on all cylinders in this must have book. how many people even think to carry water and food and maybe even clothing and blankets in their car trunks? when you are traveling across country what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city? what do you do if there is a knock on the door in the middle of the night with a stranger asking for help?"

Uh. I shoot them and claim a burglar was trying to break in .... cordially?


Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed shot me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'
2013-03-11 04:44:38 PM  
2 votes:
chapter 6: kill all the darkies.
2013-03-12 02:30:55 AM  
1 votes:

Cpl.D: Giltric: Cpl.D: DC banned pistols, but there was still tons of pistol based gun crime. Wanna know why? Not that gun control don't work. It's that it don't work when you're the only one doin' it. Guns don't respect boundaries. You ain't gonna bail out a sinking ship by bailing alone from the one end.

If it was easier to get a gun outside of DC wouldn't the rate of crime be higher where guns are readily available?

If I was looking to commit crimes with a gun, I'd do it where there was less competition, but that's me. And Jack.

Lemmie boil it down for ya. Let's say we implement gun control. Let's say we do it reasonably and efficiently. And let's say it doesn't work at all. You know what happens? We undo it. That simple. Poof, gone. Load up thirty rounds of hydroshocks and hide a spare mag in your baby's diaper. Nothing changes! The alternative? Let's say we don't do gun control, and it doesn't work. Much like what we're seeing now. Now, since it doesn't work we... undo it? What would you suggest beyond "No gun control?"


You didn't answer his question as to why there was no effect on crime in all these cities that have made guns more difficult for legal citizens to get. Thats because gun control and assault weapons bans are failed policies that don't have an impact on crime. A negative impact, that is, it seems more likely that they might actually increase crime in some areas. It certainly hasn't had any positive effect in Mexico... Chicago... Oakland...

As to your idea about "trying" gun control, we have with the 1994-2004 Assault weapons ban. It had no effect on national crime when it was implemented and it had no effect on crime when it lapsed.

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I've heard it said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

Ok then. You were proposing that exactly. Now that you know better hopefully you'll start kicking some cash to the NRA.

The way we handle guns in this country has failed.  These shootings are more than likely going to become more numerous as time goes by.  It needs to be fixed.  Gun control isn't gonna fix it.  Nobody's saying it would.

Wait.. so we're just supposed to create millions of criminals out of law abiding citizens overnight by passing gun control laws and making certain weapons illegal... because it won't do anything? Thanks but I'll pass.

Also, the rate of mass shootings peaked about 1980 and has remained steady since.

I don't wanna disarm you.  Obama don't wanna disarm you.  We just want less dead kids.  Are you followin' me here?  Are we tracking?

You mean like dead kids at Columbine that were killed during the last AWB? Like the ones that Cho Killed at VA tech with legal 10 round magazines? Do you really think that Lanza needed a "specialized" weapon to kill a bunch of children locked in a room? Massacring children isnt something that's held to be very difficult, its just so morally repugnant that it hadn't been done before.  Well, except for the Bath school mass murder... which was a bomb attack...
2013-03-12 01:17:00 AM  
1 votes:

Giltric: Cpl.D: DC banned pistols, but there was still tons of pistol based gun crime. Wanna know why? Not that gun control don't work. It's that it don't work when you're the only one doin' it. Guns don't respect boundaries. You ain't gonna bail out a sinking ship by bailing alone from the one end.

If it was easier to get a gun outside of DC wouldn't the rate of crime be higher where guns are readily available?


If I was looking to commit crimes with a gun, I'd do it where there was less competition, but that's me.  And Jack.

Lemmie boil it down for ya.  Let's say we implement gun control.  Let's say we do it reasonably and efficiently.  And let's say it doesn't work at all.  You know what happens?  We undo it.  That simple.  Poof, gone.  Load up thirty rounds of hydroshocks and hide a spare mag in your baby's diaper.  Nothing changes!  The alternative?   Let's say we don't do gun control, and it doesn't work.  Much like what we're seeing now.  Now, since it doesn't work we... undo it?  What would you suggest beyond "No gun control?"

I've heard it said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.  The way we handle guns in this country has failed.  These shootings are more than likely going to become more numerous as time goes by.  It needs to be fixed.  Gun control isn't gonna fix it.  Nobody's saying it would.  What we wanna do is do ANYTHING to limit the casualties of the innocent while we put the real fixes in place.  Gun control don't have to be a permanent thing, man.  Reduce the deaths now, fix shiat, give the gun nuts their magazines back.  I'll be in line to get mine, brother.  I don't mind the temporary inconvenience if it means somebody's crumbsnatcher can eat paste at school without it being seasoned by lead.

I don't wanna disarm you.  Obama don't wanna disarm you.  We just want less dead kids.  Are you followin' me here?  Are we tracking?

Ya pickin' up what I'm puttin down?
2013-03-12 12:31:53 AM  
1 votes:

bmihura: What percentage of people in this blog can even handle a gun properly, or own more than one?

Yep, that's what I thought.


Who here has survival training, combat experience, military training, or has been in a dangerous situation where they would have been forced to develop real-world survival skills?

Wayne LaPierre doesn't, yet for some bizarre reason, he felt he was qualified to write a book on survival skills.  We're mocking him for the exact same reason you were trying to mock the posters in the thread.

There's survival books written by former SAS and Delta Force operators, Navy SEALs, former POWs, former hostages, professional hunting guides, explorers, etc.  Why in the fark would you buy one written by some manicured lobbyist?

..and you think Fark is a "blog?"  Really?
2013-03-11 11:32:18 PM  
1 votes:

djh0101010: Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.


In that vein, I don't want the NRA speaking for me, a responsible gun owner.
The NRA is an advocacy group for gun manufacturers and the hard right, plain and simple.  Anyone who doesn't see that is either blind or stupid.  They're going to look so crazy that, in the end, their antics are going to get all guns banned eventually.

What the country needs is a gun owners association for the moderate middle.  The people who think that getting a gun should be at least in the vicinity of difficulty as getting a drivers license.  Who think that concealed carry should be awarded to people who can do more than the bare minimum.  Who think that the idea regarding gun owners should be quality, not quantity.
2013-03-11 10:26:26 PM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
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What I find most fascinating about this is that the author, William Powell, has a post on Amazon urging people NOT to buy his book.... Rather rare....
2013-03-11 10:19:59 PM  
1 votes:
Please don't.

If society collapses and you have to use books for kindling, start with the tax code section at the library.
2013-03-11 10:17:09 PM  
1 votes:

MylesHeartVodak: As an avid sports shooter (not a hunter) Wayne LaPierre was the sole reason that I let 20 years of NRA membership lapse.  This was 5-6 years ago, I couldn't take this jackass telling me how to vote to support HIS personal beliefs, nothing more.  That and the magazines were so shiatty, they weren't even worth half of the membership fee.  Once upon a time, the benefits were worth the price alone.  Then the price was to help support the cause.  Later, I didn't want to support HIS personal causes.


Long. LONG ago I was a youth member - I was into hunting and outdoor stuff in general, and that was what they were about.
Then, in the late sixties, they started morphing into the John Birch Society with Guns, and I took a fast fade.
2013-03-11 10:11:20 PM  
1 votes:
As an avid sports shooter (not a hunter) Wayne LaPierre was the sole reason that I let 20 years of NRA membership lapse.  This was 5-6 years ago, I couldn't take this jackass telling me how to vote to support HIS personal beliefs, nothing more.  That and the magazines were so shiatty, they weren't even worth half of the membership fee.  Once upon a time, the benefits were worth the price alone.  Then the price was to help support the cause.  Later, I didn't want to support HIS personal causes.
2013-03-11 09:15:19 PM  
1 votes:

CuttySupreme: jaytkay: The_Sponge: what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

I look for Martin Luther King Blvd......and then I try to get away from that street as quickly as possible.

I wonder why gun enthusiasts have a reputation as frightened bedwetters?

I wonder why most gun grabbers have a reputation as ignorant pussies who think the world would magically be a better place if they could ban all guns.


Whoa, I hit a nerve.

Did I say frightened bedwetters?

Sorry. I meant overly emotional and fragile frightened bedwetters, seething with anger and lashing out at the slightest perceived provocation.
2013-03-11 09:08:59 PM  
1 votes:
Step 1: Identify any individuals who own this sort of book. They have the highest probability of being a threat to your survival. Kill them in their sleep.
2013-03-11 08:37:50 PM  
1 votes:

Secret Master of All Flatulence: CuttySupreme: Not a big suprise that the neck-bearded, liberal, obese, computer programmers of Fark don't take kindly to this news.

I hate to say it, but I only come here now when I want to see what people I largely don't respect are thinking.  It's like going to DU...it often leaves me feeling soiled after the fact.

BTW:  [i135.photobucket.com image 694x313]

I didn't pay over $100 for any of them.


Fark isn't quite as bad as DU, but it's close.  Most people here would suck King Obama off if they got the chance.
2013-03-11 08:37:38 PM  
1 votes:
Does it give tips on how to drink your own pee?
2013-03-11 08:34:47 PM  
1 votes:

The_Sponge: what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

I look for Martin Luther King Blvd......and then I try to get away from that street as quickly as possible.


I wonder why gun enthusiasts have a reputation as frightened bedwetters?
2013-03-11 08:13:36 PM  
1 votes:

maxheck: Secret Master of All Flatulence:

Takeshi6400: I've never quite understood this American obsession with preparing for impending disaster. I've never seen it in another country. I've met educated, rational people who have thousands of rounds of ammunition and months supplies of food for some massive disaster. I know we all watch The Walking Dead and think, "that would be awesome," but it's not going to happen.

Zombie porn, the Eschaton, "Red Dawn" and Armageddon all have this one common theme.

The people most interested are the people who think that they're most prepared / virtuous and will be in better shape than all those poor saps who didn't prepare by either stockpiling or getting right with whatever God.

I have no doubt whatsoever that there were people talking about the end times in 10,000BC, and that there was some guy named Og who was convinced that he'd be laughing while everyone else died in the coming sabre-toothed-tiger apocalypse because they didn't invest in fire. It seems to be a common human trait.


"There is no doubt about Martin Luther's marriage, but the rumour about his wife's early confinement is false; she is said however to be pregnant now. If there is truth in the popular legend, that Antichrist will be born from a monk and a nun (which is the story these people keep putting about), how many thousands of Antichrists the world must have already!" -Erasmus

Responding to rumours prompted by the marriage of Martin Luther, in a letter to François Dubois (13 March 1526), as translated in The Correspondence of Erasmus : Letters 1658 to 1801, January 1526-March 1527 (1974) edited by Charles Garfield Nauert and Alexander Dalzell, p. 79
Paraphrased variant: They say that the Antichrist will be born of a monk and a nun. If so, there must already be thousands of Antichrists.
2013-03-11 08:10:16 PM  
1 votes:
Secret Master of All Flatulence:

Takeshi6400: I've never quite understood this American obsession with preparing for impending disaster. I've never seen it in another country. I've met educated, rational people who have thousands of rounds of ammunition and months supplies of food for some massive disaster. I know we all watch The Walking Dead and think, "that would be awesome," but it's not going to happen.

Zombie porn, the Eschaton, "Red Dawn" and Armageddon all have this one common theme.

The people most interested are the people who think that they're most prepared / virtuous and will be in better shape than all those poor saps who didn't prepare by either stockpiling or getting right with whatever God.

I have no doubt whatsoever that there were people talking about the end times in 10,000BC, and that there was some guy named Og who was convinced that he'd be laughing while everyone else died in the coming sabre-toothed-tiger apocalypse because they didn't invest in fire. It seems to be a common human trait.
2013-03-11 08:03:48 PM  
1 votes:

Secret Master of All Flatulence: CuttySupreme: Not a big suprise that the neck-bearded, liberal, obese, computer programmers of Fark don't take kindly to this news.

I hate to say it, but I only come here now when I want to see what people I largely don't respect are thinking.  It's like going to DU...it often leaves me feeling soiled after the fact.

BTW:  [i135.photobucket.com image 694x313]

I didn't pay over $100 for any of them.


Good, because "Remedies for Dogs and Cats" is worthless and Elizabeth Peters sucks as a writer.
2013-03-11 08:00:37 PM  
1 votes:

CuttySupreme: Not a big suprise that the neck-bearded, liberal, obese, computer programmers of Fark don't take kindly to this news.


I hate to say it, but I only come here now when I want to see what people I largely don't respect are thinking.  It's like going to DU...it often leaves me feeling soiled after the fact.

BTW:  i135.photobucket.com

I didn't pay over $100 for any of them.
2013-03-11 07:58:19 PM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
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That book is full of misinformation.
For a real survival book read the SAS survival manual. It teached you a little bit of everything need to survive. Plus it teaches you how to make traps. Also medicinal herbs. As in can be used to treat inflammation, bleeding, and infection.
2013-03-11 07:51:14 PM  
1 votes:

whither_apophis: The guy is turning onto Wes from "The Survivors" more and more everyday.


You're not gonna believe this. I was in a hurry when I left the cabin this morning, and, well, silly me, I got the wrong bullets.
2013-03-11 07:51:05 PM  
1 votes:

Takeshi6400: I've never quite understood this American obsession with preparing for impending disaster.  I've never seen it in another country.  I've met educated, rational people who have thousands of rounds of ammunition and months supplies of food for some massive disaster.  I know we all watch The Walking Dead and think, "that would be awesome," but it's not going to happen.


It's a good investment.  On the day that the Sandy Hook Massacre happened, the value of my stockpiled ammo went up an insane amount.  Hell, you can't even get ammo COMPONENTS now.  Six cents for a fecking PRIMER???

/wishes he was joking...
2013-03-11 07:21:09 PM  
1 votes:

mrexcess: jso2897
Where I grew up, these were just things you knew - it wasn't associated with any sort of political or social stance, and people didn't think of possessing those skills as an alternative to keeping civilization functioning.

Yeah, in some ways I envy that kind of upbringing... it's fun stuff. Like an increasing number of Americans, I'm a city boy, born and raised. Flintknapping, trapping, plant identification, and making fire are definitely not things we tend to pick up in the course of our daily lives unless we're lucky enough to find really good scout troops.


Well, as I see it, part of the reason that kids don't learn these things is that parents (and everybody else) are so damn fear-driven these days, Even after we left the farm, and I became a "city boy", my dad and I continued to spend every vacation in the outdoors, camping , hiking, fishing, etc. - and I was allowed to take risks, and play with dangerous things.
Having those skills has always been a good thing - but turning it into a "movement" doesn't seem, to me, to be so great - especially with all the fear-mongering, and unrealistic rhetoric I hear issuing from many quarters of that movement. Especially when too much fear and paranoia are a big part of the problem to begin with.
2013-03-11 07:14:45 PM  
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: "this book is a must have for all families," Nelson wrote. "although Wayne LaPierre is not a survivalist he certainly fires on all cylinders in this must have book. how many people even think to carry water and food and maybe even clothing and blankets in their car trunks? when you are traveling across country what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city? what do you do if there is a knock on the door in the middle of the night with a stranger asking for help?"

Uh. I shoot them and claim a burglar was trying to break in .... cordially?


My local government recommends carrying those items in my car trunk.  They recommend having a Go Bag.  They have links to FEMA and the Red Cross.  Why is it that Teatards think they're the only people who even consider these things?
2013-03-11 07:13:42 PM  
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Takeshi6400: I've never quite understood this American obsession with preparing for impending disaster.  I've never seen it in another country.  I've met educated, rational people who have thousands of rounds of ammunition and months supplies of food for some massive disaster.  I know we all watch The Walking Dead and think, "that would be awesome," but it's not going to happen.


The US usually deals with one major natural disaster annually, and a crap-load of local ones.

Doesn't Texas get more tornadoes per year than any other nation? There are places in Alabama with two hurricane seasons.
2013-03-11 07:11:13 PM  
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mrexcess: jso2897: Honestly, I used to think that was the case. Then I saw the kind of farking madhouse New Orleans turned into during Katrina. Cops randomly shooting families, HAM radio operators becoming the C3 infrastructure for rescue crews, thousands of people living in a stadium with insufficient food and sanitation facilities. I'm not saying its likely to happen again or that we didn't learn lessons, but after seeing that I'll never quite look down on "preppers" as a class the way I might have otherwise.

/learning primitive survival skills is fun and potentially useful in all kinds of situations
//less so learning them from a DC lobbyist


Katrina wasn't really as bad as all that; plus, it was the kind of disaster that the "preppers" wouldn't have been much help with. Remember that the vast majority of New Orleans residents successfully evacuated before Katrina hit, which is about 90% of all you need to do to "prep" for any disaster: Listen to the radio and do what you're told. Don't think you can "ride out" a storm, and don't try to fight a wildfire yourself. For the rest, Katrina was as much a failure of imagination and leadership as it was response. Once the levees failed, there was no reason at all people couldn't have been evacuated by boat; but everyone sat around waiting for someone else to take control.

But prepping for a disaster is only useful if you're prepped for the right kind of disaster. Having lots of guns and canned food would have been useless in New Orleans when half the city was under water and what you needed was a flat-bottomed boat and a pair of oars. I know plenty of people who have their furniture bolted to the walls in case of earthquake...but have no idea how to get their cars out of their garages if the power were to go out. You need to have more than just gunz to survive.
2013-03-11 07:05:50 PM  
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maxheck: The NRA may once have served a useful purpose, but I can guarantee you that they do not give a single damn about the 2nd amendment.

The purpose of the NRA is to further making money for the NRA.

CS,B:

I used to have a client in the early 2000's that rented space in the NRA's Fairfax headquarters. The lobby is pretty much what you'd expect, lots of flintlocks and crying eagle tchotckies on display.

Since I'm a smoker, I ended up spending a fair amount of time out in the smoking area, (ahem) shooting the breeze with other people who worked in the building, and I got into some conversations with mid-level guys from the NRA.

They were completely unabashed about the fact that they made up bullshiat crises in order to get their members riled up and sending in money. I didn't know the term "Overton Window" at the time, but that was exactly what they were pushing, and these guys were proud of it, and quite happy to talk about it with some random guy in the smoking area.

What amazed me was the guys saying this didn't care... at all. Yeah, I was just some long-haired IT geek who worked up on 4, but so far as they knew I could have been Libby McLibberton, star investigative reporter for the Gun Grabber Gazette.

I can see the purpose for something like the NRA. The ACLU handles all the other amendments, and of course hunters / shooters / collectors can have a lobby just as dentists and stamp collectors can.

But that's not what the NRA is about. The NRA is about making money for the NRA.


Isn't that the same for every pressure group?  Do you think that Greenpeace would ever say that anything was going well with the environment.  Impending doom keeps their expense accounts full.
2013-03-11 07:05:41 PM  
1 votes:
Wayne LaPierre survival guide:

Step 1: collect large sums of money from an embattled industry
Step 2: lobby for the embattled industry but frame it as the voice of the people
Step 3. repeat
2013-03-11 07:00:47 PM  
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wingding: jso2897: There are fools.
There are damn fools.
And then, there are "survivalists".*


* Exempition granted to the 1% who are legitimate outdoorsmen.

Then there are the fat pigs who run to the goverment shelters when the shiat hits the fan.


He mad.

mrexcess: jso2897: Honestly, I used to think that was the case. Then I saw the kind of farking madhouse New Orleans turned into during Katrina. Cops randomly shooting families, HAM radio operators becoming the C3 infrastructure for rescue crews, thousands of people living in a stadium with insufficient food and sanitation facilities. I'm not saying its likely to happen again or that we didn't learn lessons, but after seeing that I'll never quite look down on "preppers" as a class the way I might have otherwise.

/learning primitive survival skills is fun and potentially useful in all kinds of situations
//less so learning them from a DC lobbyist


That's true, and I may be a tad smug because I am a product of a place and time when one acquired those skills simply as a matter of course, and it wasn't a "movement", with a name, and magazines, and people using it to peddle shiat to gullible folks. That's why I exempted legit outdoorsmen as a footnote to my post.
Where I grew up, these were just things you knew - it wasn't associated with any sort of political or social stance, and people didn't think of possessing those skills as an alternative to keeping civilization functioning.
2013-03-11 06:59:26 PM  
1 votes:
I am positive any association that promotes camping and wilderness activities already has a better book out cleverly disguised as a camping manual. The GIrl Scouts, for example, have already outdone him. Pretend your car is a tent and load it up accordingly. Do not let strangers in the house. Call help for them an if you need to work on your karma, hand them out some nice hot tea. It really aint rocket science.
2013-03-11 06:53:45 PM  
1 votes:

mr lawson: some of you have way too much faith in society.


Guns will never let you down though.
2013-03-11 06:44:25 PM  
1 votes:
some of you have way too much faith in society.
2013-03-11 06:40:12 PM  
1 votes:
Why STUPID tag, subby?

You work in Bloomberg's Press Office?
2013-03-11 06:37:56 PM  
1 votes:

jso2897: There are fools.
There are damn fools.
And then, there are "survivalists".*


* Exempition granted to the 1% who are legitimate outdoorsmen.


Then there are the fat pigs who run to the goverment shelters when the shiat hits the fan.
2013-03-11 06:33:30 PM  
1 votes:
I see the gun grabbers are hitting the blog sites hard.  Subby FAILS.
2013-03-11 06:27:09 PM  
1 votes:
This guy is an epic troll. Releases a book on survival and admits he doesn't know shiat about it. FFS, the bulk of his core audience wouldn't read a book unless their life depended on it. Well, maybe free CiCi's pizza for life but that's about it
2013-03-11 06:26:19 PM  
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Step 1. Only trust whitey.

Step 2. Only trust old whitey.

Step 3. Only trust old, Protestant whitey.

Step 4. Only trust old, Protestant, male whitey.

Step 5...
2013-03-11 06:23:07 PM  
1 votes:
and its still a better love story then Twilight.
2013-03-11 06:19:22 PM  
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Wow, a guy who has spent his entire adult life as a D.C. lobbyist wrote a survival guide?

That's going on my shelf, right in between "Nathan Lane's Guide to Picking Up Women" and "CrossFit with Dom DeLuise."
2013-03-11 06:17:56 PM  
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What do I look for when I pull off the interstate? A big blue sign with a picture of a bed, a plate, and a gas pump, preferably one that's within a 1/2 mile drive from the interstate.

/I have slept in my car on long trips
//Good, thick blanket and a well-lit Walmart parking lot work great
2013-03-11 06:16:15 PM  
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vernonFL: dittybopper: OH MY GOD!  It's *HORRIBLE* that he would write something like that!  The man is obviously an inhuman monster!

No, he's a fearmongering shyster, laughing all the way to the bank. He's a grifter. A con artist.


Sounds like you're talking about Al Gore
2013-03-11 06:13:04 PM  
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Rapmaster2000: MontanaDave: factoryconnection: Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.

This isn't about making money on book sales. It is all about generating leads.

These are the new leads. These are the NRA Survivalist leads. And to you they're gold, and you don't get them. Why? Because to give them to you would be throwing them away. They're for closers.


First prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Second prize is a set of handguns. Third prize is you're executed.
2013-03-11 06:10:41 PM  
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MontanaDave: factoryconnection: Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.

This isn't about making money on book sales. It is all about generating leads.


These are the new leads. These are the NRA Survivalist leads. And to you they're gold, and you don't get them. Why? Because to give them to you would be throwing them away. They're for closers.
2013-03-11 06:08:51 PM  
1 votes:

factoryconnection: Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.


This isn't about making money on book sales. It is all about generating leads.
2013-03-11 06:06:39 PM  
1 votes:
"when you are traveling across country what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?"

Um, when I've driven across country, I've planned ahead and made a reservation at a hotel and scoped out a good restaurant. Or if I change my location last minute, like when I decided to drive a little further across northeastern Utah, I Google mapped some reliable chains. There, gimme $5.
2013-03-11 06:02:01 PM  
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when you are traveling across country what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city? what do you do if there is a knock on the door in the middle of the night with a stranger asking for help?"

Does it point out the obvious fact that if you pull off the interstate in an unfamiliar city, YOU will be the stranger knocking on the door in the middle of the night asking for help? These poor freaks are wildly missing the fact that they're treating everyone like crazed maniacs and thieves....but will someday need help from those same maniacs. And then what will they do?
2013-03-11 05:57:29 PM  
1 votes:
How many pages does it take to say "Kill them all and let God sort it out"?
2013-03-11 05:56:16 PM  
1 votes:
Wayne LaPierre is a front by the Obama junta to make patriotic Americans look crazy.  You can tell by his French name.  The regime tripped up on that one.  I am not fooled.

Ever vigilant.
2013-03-11 05:55:22 PM  
1 votes:
I almost feel sorry for NRA members pissing their money into LaPierre's fear machine.  Almost.
2013-03-11 05:49:59 PM  
1 votes:
what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

Hookers and drugs.
2013-03-11 05:49:43 PM  
1 votes:

vernonFL: No, he's a fearmongering shyster, laughing all the way to the bank. He's a grifter. A con artist.



And yet he's still preferable to the ass clowns over at the Brady Campaign.
2013-03-11 05:46:12 PM  
1 votes:
*covers the book with ranch dressing, promptly eats it*
2013-03-11 05:29:06 PM  
1 votes:

propasaurus: Nadie_AZ: "this book is a must have for all families," Nelson wrote. "although Wayne LaPierre is not a survivalist he certainly fires on all cylinders in this must have book. how many people even think to carry water and food and maybe even clothing and blankets in their car trunks? when you are traveling across country what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city? what do you do if there is a knock on the door in the middle of the night with a stranger asking for help?"

Uh. I shoot them and claim a burglar was trying to break in .... cordially?

Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed shot me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'


That would have worked well last month when the GOP was trying to claim that MLK was a gun rights advocate.
2013-03-11 04:22:12 PM  
1 votes:
I especially like the part that warns against vaccinations, which are actually the government's way of injecting tracking devices into your children.
2013-03-11 04:15:33 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: OH MY GOD!  It's *HORRIBLE* that he would write something like that!  The man is obviously an inhuman monster!


You have brilliantly ridiculed the thing that exists only in your head.
2013-03-11 04:12:54 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: OH MY GOD!  It's *HORRIBLE* that he would write something like that!  The man is obviously an inhuman monster!


No kidding! And subby not only wants to to grab guns but also burn books. Congrats, subby, you're Double Hitler.

Wayne LaPierre is a patriot doing his level best to educate people about the real world threats that necessitate large arsenals in every home.
Additionally, he's a strong advocate for ridding us of the scourge of violent video games -- the real cause of mass shootings.

You'd think everyone would be more grateful. It's truly sad he's so misunderstood.
2013-03-11 03:50:51 PM  
1 votes:
Currently on the best seller list at #45

/with a bullet
2013-03-11 03:30:38 PM  
1 votes:
Good post.  I sent the link to my prepper buddy and he ordered.  More sold.
2013-03-11 03:28:25 PM  
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"this book is a must have for all families," Nelson wrote. "although Wayne LaPierre is not a survivalist he certainly fires on all cylinders in this must have book. how many people even think to carry water and food and maybe even clothing and blankets in their car trunks? when you are traveling across country what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city? what do you do if there is a knock on the door in the middle of the night with a stranger asking for help?"

Uh. I shoot them and claim a burglar was trying to break in .... cordially?
 
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