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(Talking Points Memo)   NRA chief Wayne LaPierre's 336-page survival manual on sale for only $4.95. When society collapses, you'll be able to burn it for heat   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 251
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2013-03-11 03:18:56 PM  
The guy is turning onto Wes from "The Survivors" more and more everyday.
 
2013-03-11 03:28:25 PM  
"this book is a must have for all families," Nelson wrote. "although Wayne LaPierre is not a survivalist he certainly fires on all cylinders in this must have book. how many people even think to carry water and food and maybe even clothing and blankets in their car trunks? when you are traveling across country what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city? what do you do if there is a knock on the door in the middle of the night with a stranger asking for help?"

Uh. I shoot them and claim a burglar was trying to break in .... cordially?
 
2013-03-11 03:30:38 PM  
Good post.  I sent the link to my prepper buddy and he ordered.  More sold.
 
2013-03-11 03:44:45 PM  
So what's on the other 335 pages after the first one just says "BUY MOAR GUNZ" written in his own poo?
 
2013-03-11 03:50:51 PM  
Currently on the best seller list at #45

/with a bullet
 
2013-03-11 03:56:33 PM  
OH MY GOD!  It's *HORRIBLE* that he would write something like that!  The man is obviously an inhuman monster!
 
2013-03-11 03:56:55 PM  
In a February op-ed, for instance, he raised the prospect of "terrorists, crime, drug gangs, the possibility of Euro-style debt riots, civil unrest or natural disaster" to bolster his arguments against any new federal gun control measures.

The first thing that happened in the "Euro-style debt riots" was the parasitic class raiding the rural family homes of producers, job creators and preppers, who'd had their firearms confiscated by the civil disarmament authorities.

Many people choose to ignore than. Not Wayne LaPierre.
 
2013-03-11 04:00:18 PM  

dittybopper: OH MY GOD!  It's *HORRIBLE* that he would write something like that!  The man is obviously an inhuman monster!


No, he's a fearmongering shyster, laughing all the way to the bank. He's a grifter. A con artist.
 
2013-03-11 04:12:54 PM  

dittybopper: OH MY GOD!  It's *HORRIBLE* that he would write something like that!  The man is obviously an inhuman monster!


No kidding! And subby not only wants to to grab guns but also burn books. Congrats, subby, you're Double Hitler.

Wayne LaPierre is a patriot doing his level best to educate people about the real world threats that necessitate large arsenals in every home.
Additionally, he's a strong advocate for ridding us of the scourge of violent video games -- the real cause of mass shootings.

You'd think everyone would be more grateful. It's truly sad he's so misunderstood.
 
2013-03-11 04:13:42 PM  
TP for my pit latrine
 
2013-03-11 04:15:33 PM  

dittybopper: OH MY GOD!  It's *HORRIBLE* that he would write something like that!  The man is obviously an inhuman monster!


You have brilliantly ridiculed the thing that exists only in your head.
 
2013-03-11 04:22:12 PM  
I especially like the part that warns against vaccinations, which are actually the government's way of injecting tracking devices into your children.
 
2013-03-11 04:26:03 PM  

mysticcat: I especially like the part that warns against vaccinations, which are actually the government's way of injecting tracking devices into your children.


I wish.
 
2013-03-11 04:26:08 PM  
"Hey Spencer, those damn survival books aren't selling for shiat. Mark 'em down to $5 would ya? Thanks kid."
 
2013-03-11 04:44:38 PM  
chapter 6: kill all the darkies.
 
2013-03-11 04:51:00 PM  
Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.
 
2013-03-11 04:54:46 PM  

Nadie_AZ: "this book is a must have for all families," Nelson wrote. "although Wayne LaPierre is not a survivalist he certainly fires on all cylinders in this must have book. how many people even think to carry water and food and maybe even clothing and blankets in their car trunks? when you are traveling across country what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city? what do you do if there is a knock on the door in the middle of the night with a stranger asking for help?"

Uh. I shoot them and claim a burglar was trying to break in .... cordially?


Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed shot me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'
 
2013-03-11 05:29:06 PM  

propasaurus: Nadie_AZ: "this book is a must have for all families," Nelson wrote. "although Wayne LaPierre is not a survivalist he certainly fires on all cylinders in this must have book. how many people even think to carry water and food and maybe even clothing and blankets in their car trunks? when you are traveling across country what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city? what do you do if there is a knock on the door in the middle of the night with a stranger asking for help?"

Uh. I shoot them and claim a burglar was trying to break in .... cordially?

Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed shot me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'


That would have worked well last month when the GOP was trying to claim that MLK was a gun rights advocate.
 
2013-03-11 05:46:12 PM  
*covers the book with ranch dressing, promptly eats it*
 
2013-03-11 05:49:00 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: *covers the book with ranch dressing, promptly eats it*


If you were an NRA member, you'd just cover it with paste
 
2013-03-11 05:49:10 PM  
Right, right, but waiting for the asteroids to come and hoping we're going to build colonies on the Moon make perfect sense though.
 
2013-03-11 05:49:43 PM  

vernonFL: No, he's a fearmongering shyster, laughing all the way to the bank. He's a grifter. A con artist.



And yet he's still preferable to the ass clowns over at the Brady Campaign.
 
2013-03-11 05:49:59 PM  
what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

Hookers and drugs.
 
2013-03-11 05:51:01 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: *covers the book with ranch dressing, promptly eats it*


Is there any scene so American as covering a gun book in ranch dressing? It's beautiful :')
 
2013-03-11 05:51:36 PM  
Except that it's a .pdf file.
 
2013-03-11 05:52:47 PM  
So, 336 pages of stuff you can buy from the NRA?
 
2013-03-11 05:52:55 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Is there any scene so American as covering a gun book in ranch dressing? It's beautiful :')


FROM

SEEEEEEEEEA

TOOOOOOO

SHIIIIIIIIIIIINIIIIIIIIIIIIIING

SEEEEEEEEEEEA


MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you were an NRA member, you'd just cover it with paste


Delicious tomato paste?
 
2013-03-11 05:53:29 PM  
be aware:
"Important: For this very special $4.95 offer, you will receive a copy of "SAFE: How to Protect Yourself, Your Family and Your Home" as well as three free issues of Whistleblower magazine. Also included with your free issues will be a renewal notice for a one-year Whistleblower subscription. If you wish to renew, do nothing, and your credit or debit card will be charged the low annual renewal rate of only $39.95. (There's no risk, because at any time you can cancel your subscription for a full refund on the unused portion.) If you don't want to renew, simply cancel by calling 1-800-4WNDCOM (800-496-3266) or by emailing ca­nceltria­l­[nospam-﹫-backwards]dn­w­*co­m before the charge date printed on the renewal card you'll receive. Either way, the book and the 3 free issues are yours to keep. (Only one copy of "SAFE" at this price per household. Offer good only in the U.S.)"

--- and they don't tell you what the Shipping/Handling Charges are
 
2013-03-11 05:53:33 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Delicious tomato paste?


More likely library
 
2013-03-11 05:55:10 PM  
i48.tinypic.com

But is it in braille?
 
2013-03-11 05:55:22 PM  
I almost feel sorry for NRA members pissing their money into LaPierre's fear machine.  Almost.
 
2013-03-11 05:56:16 PM  
Wayne LaPierre is a front by the Obama junta to make patriotic Americans look crazy.  You can tell by his French name.  The regime tripped up on that one.  I am not fooled.

Ever vigilant.
 
2013-03-11 05:57:29 PM  
How many pages does it take to say "Kill them all and let God sort it out"?
 
2013-03-11 06:00:45 PM  
"If you want to take the right steps to prepare and protect the things that are most important to you - your family,

Buy a gun. Be willing to kill them too though, RIP Nancy Lanza.

your home,

Buy a gun.

your financial future

Buy lots of guns. Also, sell fear to nitwits.

Brought to you by the grassroots NRA. Not affiliated with any weapons manufacturer.
 
2013-03-11 06:01:41 PM  
If the future frightens you, shoot it.
 
2013-03-11 06:02:01 PM  
when you are traveling across country what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city? what do you do if there is a knock on the door in the middle of the night with a stranger asking for help?"

Does it point out the obvious fact that if you pull off the interstate in an unfamiliar city, YOU will be the stranger knocking on the door in the middle of the night asking for help? These poor freaks are wildly missing the fact that they're treating everyone like crazed maniacs and thieves....but will someday need help from those same maniacs. And then what will they do?
 
2013-03-11 06:02:04 PM  
Get out there on The Razor's Edge, and a book can be put to good use.
 
2013-03-11 06:04:57 PM  
what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

I look for Martin Luther King Blvd......and then I try to get away from that street as quickly as possible.
 
2013-03-11 06:06:39 PM  
"when you are traveling across country what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?"

Um, when I've driven across country, I've planned ahead and made a reservation at a hotel and scoped out a good restaurant. Or if I change my location last minute, like when I decided to drive a little further across northeastern Utah, I Google mapped some reliable chains. There, gimme $5.
 
2013-03-11 06:06:43 PM  
Bang bang!
 
2013-03-11 06:07:22 PM  

Gyrfalcon: when you are traveling across country what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city? what do you do if there is a knock on the door in the middle of the night with a stranger asking for help?"

Does it point out the obvious fact that if you pull off the interstate in an unfamiliar city, YOU will be the stranger knocking on the door in the middle of the night asking for help? These poor freaks are wildly missing the fact that they're treating everyone like crazed maniacs and thieves....but will someday need help from those same maniacs. And then what will they do?


Well they'll get the family out of the car and utilize the small unit tactics gone over in the manual. Kill the maniacal family living in that home and occupy the dwelling until rescue by fellow patriots or resources are depleted.
 
2013-03-11 06:07:23 PM  
Miss me yet?

img2-1.timeinc.net
 
2013-03-11 06:08:51 PM  

factoryconnection: Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.


This isn't about making money on book sales. It is all about generating leads.
 
2013-03-11 06:09:16 PM  

uncleacid: Miss me yet?

[img2-1.timeinc.net image 240x320]



I remember the Fark thread that came up after he passed away.....some idiots acted like some evil dictator had just died.
 
2013-03-11 06:10:04 PM  

The_Sponge: what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

I look for Martin Luther King Blvd......and then I try to get away from that street as quickly as possible.


Be sure to ask these fine gentlemen for directions.

i471.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-11 06:10:41 PM  

MontanaDave: factoryconnection: Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.

This isn't about making money on book sales. It is all about generating leads.


These are the new leads. These are the NRA Survivalist leads. And to you they're gold, and you don't get them. Why? Because to give them to you would be throwing them away. They're for closers.
 
2013-03-11 06:10:49 PM  

MontanaDave: factoryconnection: Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.

This isn't about making money on book sales. It is all about generating leads.


The leads are weak.
 
2013-03-11 06:11:07 PM  

Car_Ramrod: The_Sponge: what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

I look for Martin Luther King Blvd......and then I try to get away from that street as quickly as possible.

Be sure to ask these fine gentlemen for directions.

[i471.photobucket.com image 378x195]



Heh.
 
2013-03-11 06:12:34 PM  

Rapmaster2000: MontanaDave: factoryconnection: Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.

This isn't about making money on book sales. It is all about generating leads.

These are the new leads. These are the NRA Survivalist leads. And to you they're gold, and you don't get them. Why? Because to give them to you would be throwing them away. They're for closers.


Damn you...

/Second prize is a set of AR15
 
2013-03-11 06:13:04 PM  

Rapmaster2000: MontanaDave: factoryconnection: Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.

This isn't about making money on book sales. It is all about generating leads.

These are the new leads. These are the NRA Survivalist leads. And to you they're gold, and you don't get them. Why? Because to give them to you would be throwing them away. They're for closers.


First prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Second prize is a set of handguns. Third prize is you're executed.
 
2013-03-11 06:16:15 PM  

vernonFL: dittybopper: OH MY GOD!  It's *HORRIBLE* that he would write something like that!  The man is obviously an inhuman monster!

No, he's a fearmongering shyster, laughing all the way to the bank. He's a grifter. A con artist.


Sounds like you're talking about Al Gore
 
2013-03-11 06:17:36 PM  

vernonFL: dittybopper: OH MY GOD!  It's *HORRIBLE* that he would write something like that!  The man is obviously an inhuman monster!

No, he's a fearmongering shyster, laughing all the way to the bank.


Not at $4.95 per copy for hardcover - *though a reseller*, he isn't.
 
2013-03-11 06:17:56 PM  
What do I look for when I pull off the interstate? A big blue sign with a picture of a bed, a plate, and a gas pump, preferably one that's within a 1/2 mile drive from the interstate.

/I have slept in my car on long trips
//Good, thick blanket and a well-lit Walmart parking lot work great
 
2013-03-11 06:18:40 PM  

FlashHarry: chapter 6: kill all the darkies.


Race-card strawman hybrid. Good work.
 
2013-03-11 06:19:22 PM  
Wow, a guy who has spent his entire adult life as a D.C. lobbyist wrote a survival guide?

That's going on my shelf, right in between "Nathan Lane's Guide to Picking Up Women" and "CrossFit with Dom DeLuise."
 
2013-03-11 06:20:58 PM  

enry: So what's on the other 335 pages after the first one just says "BUY MOAR GUNZ" written in his own poo?


This.

Well...not the poo part. That was funny. But otherwise, yeah, that's a long book for a guy whose song consists of exactly one note.
 
2013-03-11 06:22:15 PM  

stirfrybry: vernonFL: dittybopper: OH MY GOD!  It's *HORRIBLE* that he would write something like that!  The man is obviously an inhuman monster!

No, he's a fearmongering shyster, laughing all the way to the bank. He's a grifter. A con artist.

Sounds like you're talking about Al Gore


stirfrybry: FlashHarry: chapter 6: kill all the darkies.

Race-card strawman hybrid. Good work.


You might want to cover up those buttons with some kind of bump-guard. They're way too easy to push.
 
2013-03-11 06:23:07 PM  
and its still a better love story then Twilight.
 
2013-03-11 06:23:49 PM  

BumpInTheNight: and its still a better love story then Twilight.



I LOL'd.
 
2013-03-11 06:24:49 PM  

The_Sponge: uncleacid: Miss me yet?

[img2-1.timeinc.net image 240x320]

I remember the Fark thread that came up after he passed away.....some idiots acted like some evil dictator had just died.


Nah, most of them would bend over for a real dictator like Chavez.
 
2013-03-11 06:26:19 PM  
Step 1. Only trust whitey.

Step 2. Only trust old whitey.

Step 3. Only trust old, Protestant whitey.

Step 4. Only trust old, Protestant, male whitey.

Step 5...
 
2013-03-11 06:26:39 PM  

Car_Ramrod: MontanaDave: factoryconnection: Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.

This isn't about making money on book sales. It is all about generating leads.

The leads are weak.


1.bp.blogspot.com
Harriet and Blah-blah Nyborg....
 
2013-03-11 06:26:48 PM  

Molavian: The_Sponge: uncleacid: Miss me yet?

[img2-1.timeinc.net image 240x320]

I remember the Fark thread that came up after he passed away.....some idiots acted like some evil dictator had just died.

Nah, most of them would bend over for a real dictator like Chavez.


Or Pinochet amirite
 
2013-03-11 06:26:50 PM  

IgG4: TP for my pit latrine


Tear each page in half and you have a comfortable 672 wipes...
 
2013-03-11 06:26:51 PM  

stuhayes2010: So, 336 pages of stuff you can buy from the NRA?


enry: So what's on the other 335 pages after the first one just says "BUY MOAR GUNZ" written in his own poo?


Page 2. Better drink your own piss.
 
2013-03-11 06:27:02 PM  

BumpInTheNight: and its still a better love story then Twilight.


img607.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-11 06:27:09 PM  
This guy is an epic troll. Releases a book on survival and admits he doesn't know shiat about it. FFS, the bulk of his core audience wouldn't read a book unless their life depended on it. Well, maybe free CiCi's pizza for life but that's about it
 
2013-03-11 06:28:21 PM  
The gun shills are a special kind of sensitive.
 
2013-03-11 06:30:14 PM  
How do you to stop a bad guy with book?!
 
2013-03-11 06:31:24 PM  
You know what it takes to sell this book?  It takes brass balls to sell this book.

Coffee is for closers.
 
2013-03-11 06:31:30 PM  

vernonFL: dittybopper: OH MY GOD!  It's *HORRIBLE* that he would write something like that!  The man is obviously an inhuman monster!

No, he's a fearmongering shyster, laughing all the way to the bank. He's a grifter. A con artist.


You said "Republican Official" twice.
 
2013-03-11 06:31:36 PM  

Not_The_Target_Market: Car_Ramrod: MontanaDave: factoryconnection: Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.

This isn't about making money on book sales. It is all about generating leads.

The leads are weak.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x299]
Harriet and Blah-blah Nyborg....


I can't decide whether that is one of the greatest movies ever made or one of the worst. It obviously is a screenplay adapted from a stage play. But some of the acting is amazing. But some of the acting is atrocious. The problem is I have troubles deciding what the great acting is and what the terrible acting is.

Jack Lemmon was amazing. I just can't make up my mind about the rest of them. All right, Ed Harris was amazing in his nuance.

But Alec Baldwin? Dustin Hoffman? Alan Arkin? Kevin Spacey? I can't decide whether they're amazing or terrible.
 
2013-03-11 06:33:16 PM  

FlashHarry: chapter 6: kill all the darkies.


Of course he would never say anything like that. Urban youth is the current euphemism. It eliminates the mention of color directly to allow denial
 
2013-03-11 06:33:30 PM  
I see the gun grabbers are hitting the blog sites hard.  Subby FAILS.
 
2013-03-11 06:34:03 PM  
You can also use the book to put your budgie down. It's safer than shooting them (just above the beak).
 
2013-03-11 06:34:15 PM  

Rapmaster2000: what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

Hookers and drugs.


Ah, a "When in Rome" type eh?
 
2013-03-11 06:34:15 PM  
We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
flag.blackened.net
 
2013-03-11 06:35:29 PM  
There are fools.
There are damn fools.
And then, there are "survivalists".*


* Exempition granted to the 1% who are legitimate outdoorsmen.
 
2013-03-11 06:36:57 PM  
The guy who's been a lobbyist since the day he left college writes a survival guide?  No military experience.  Maybe he was a boyscout?
 
2013-03-11 06:37:56 PM  

jso2897: There are fools.
There are damn fools.
And then, there are "survivalists".*


* Exempition granted to the 1% who are legitimate outdoorsmen.


Then there are the fat pigs who run to the goverment shelters when the shiat hits the fan.
 
2013-03-11 06:38:13 PM  
we can burn it now, for fun! but i don't want to buy it
 
2013-03-11 06:40:12 PM  
Why STUPID tag, subby?

You work in Bloomberg's Press Office?
 
2013-03-11 06:40:45 PM  

PanicMan: The guy who's been a lobbyist since the day he left college writes a survival guide?  No military experience.  Maybe he was a boyscout?


He hangs out with Grover Norquist a lot.  Grover's on the board, you know.
 
2013-03-11 06:42:51 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Not_The_Target_Market: Car_Ramrod: MontanaDave: factoryconnection: Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.

This isn't about making money on book sales. It is all about generating leads.

The leads are weak.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x299]
Harriet and Blah-blah Nyborg....

I can't decide whether that is one of the greatest movies ever made or one of the worst. It obviously is a screenplay adapted from a stage play. But some of the acting is amazing. But some of the acting is atrocious. The problem is I have troubles deciding what the great acting is and what the terrible acting is.

Jack Lemmon was amazing. I just can't make up my mind about the rest of them. All right, Ed Harris was amazing in his nuance.

But Alec Baldwin? Dustin Hoffman? Alan Arkin? Kevin Spacey? I can't decide whether they're amazing or terrible.


Dustin Hoffman? It's not Death of a farking Salesman.

Or is it?

Also, the leads aren't weak. You're farking weak.
 
2013-03-11 06:44:24 PM  
jso2897: Honestly, I used to think that was the case. Then I saw the kind of farking madhouse New Orleans turned into during Katrina. Cops randomly shooting families, HAM radio operators becoming the C3 infrastructure for rescue crews, thousands of people living in a stadium with insufficient food and sanitation facilities. I'm not saying its likely to happen again or that we didn't learn lessons, but after seeing that I'll never quite look down on "preppers" as a class the way I might have otherwise.

/learning primitive survival skills is fun and potentially useful in all kinds of situations
//less so learning them from a DC lobbyist
 
2013-03-11 06:44:25 PM  
some of you have way too much faith in society.
 
2013-03-11 06:51:30 PM  
Well, it's nice to have a source of kindling when you're cooking the douchebag next door that didn't like guns....
 
2013-03-11 06:51:57 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: PanicMan: The guy who's been a lobbyist since the day he left college writes a survival guide?  No military experience.  Maybe he was a boyscout?

He hangs out with Grover Norquist a lot.  Grover's on the board, you know.


Didn't you know? Grover's wife is a muslim.
 
2013-03-11 06:53:45 PM  

mr lawson: some of you have way too much faith in society.


Guns will never let you down though.
 
2013-03-11 06:55:02 PM  

computerguyUT: Well, it's nice to have a source of kindling when you're cooking the douchebag next door that didn't like guns....


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2013-03-11 06:55:55 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: PanicMan: The guy who's been a lobbyist since the day he left college writes a survival guide?  No military experience.  Maybe he was a boyscout?

He hangs out with Grover Norquist a lot.  Grover's on the board, you know.


Well those are two people who I'm sure know a lot about struggling to survive in tough situations.
 
2013-03-11 06:56:13 PM  
I've never quite understood this American obsession with preparing for impending disaster.  I've never seen it in another country.  I've met educated, rational people who have thousands of rounds of ammunition and months supplies of food for some massive disaster.  I know we all watch The Walking Dead and think, "that would be awesome," but it's not going to happen.
 
2013-03-11 06:58:00 PM  

Takeshi6400: I've never quite understood this American obsession with preparing for impending disaster.  I've never seen it in another country.  I've met educated, rational people who have thousands of rounds of ammunition and months supplies of food for some massive disaster.  I know we all watch The Walking Dead and think, "that would be awesome," but it's not going to happen.


It's different here because they're actively cheering for and working towards a disaster. They didn't sink all that money in to ammo to just not use it.
 
2013-03-11 06:59:26 PM  
I am positive any association that promotes camping and wilderness activities already has a better book out cleverly disguised as a camping manual. The GIrl Scouts, for example, have already outdone him. Pretend your car is a tent and load it up accordingly. Do not let strangers in the house. Call help for them an if you need to work on your karma, hand them out some nice hot tea. It really aint rocket science.
 
2013-03-11 06:59:42 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: mr lawson: some of you have way too much faith in society.

Guns will never let you down though.



improperly maintained and improperly used, you damn right they will let you down.

for the record. I was speaking more towards the people who HAVE TO depend on a functioning society to live because they would do not have any basic survival skill sets.
 
2013-03-11 06:59:45 PM  
I'd rather have Wayne LaPierre as a neighbor when the shiat goes down than any of you neckbearded beta males. That six pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon in your fridge won't go very far.
 
2013-03-11 07:00:47 PM  

wingding: jso2897: There are fools.
There are damn fools.
And then, there are "survivalists".*


* Exempition granted to the 1% who are legitimate outdoorsmen.

Then there are the fat pigs who run to the goverment shelters when the shiat hits the fan.


He mad.

mrexcess: jso2897: Honestly, I used to think that was the case. Then I saw the kind of farking madhouse New Orleans turned into during Katrina. Cops randomly shooting families, HAM radio operators becoming the C3 infrastructure for rescue crews, thousands of people living in a stadium with insufficient food and sanitation facilities. I'm not saying its likely to happen again or that we didn't learn lessons, but after seeing that I'll never quite look down on "preppers" as a class the way I might have otherwise.

/learning primitive survival skills is fun and potentially useful in all kinds of situations
//less so learning them from a DC lobbyist


That's true, and I may be a tad smug because I am a product of a place and time when one acquired those skills simply as a matter of course, and it wasn't a "movement", with a name, and magazines, and people using it to peddle shiat to gullible folks. That's why I exempted legit outdoorsmen as a footnote to my post.
Where I grew up, these were just things you knew - it wasn't associated with any sort of political or social stance, and people didn't think of possessing those skills as an alternative to keeping civilization functioning.
 
2013-03-11 07:02:21 PM  
The NRA may once have served a useful purpose, but I can guarantee you that they do not give a single damn about the 2nd amendment.

The purpose of the NRA is to further making money for the NRA.

CS,B:

I used to have a client in the early 2000's that rented space in the NRA's Fairfax headquarters. The lobby is pretty much what you'd expect, lots of flintlocks and crying eagle tchotckies on display.

Since I'm a smoker, I ended up spending a fair amount of time out in the smoking area, (ahem) shooting the breeze with other people who worked in the building, and I got into some conversations with mid-level guys from the NRA.

They were completely unabashed about the fact that they made up bullshiat crises in order to get their members riled up and sending in money. I didn't know the term "Overton Window" at the time, but that was exactly what they were pushing, and these guys were proud of it, and quite happy to talk about it with some random guy in the smoking area.

What amazed me was the guys saying this didn't care... at all. Yeah, I was just some long-haired IT geek who worked up on 4, but so far as they knew I could have been Libby McLibberton, star investigative reporter for the Gun Grabber Gazette.

I can see the purpose for something like the NRA. The ACLU handles all the other amendments, and of course hunters / shooters / collectors can have a lobby just as dentists and stamp collectors can.

But that's not what the NRA is about. The NRA is about making money for the NRA.
 
2013-03-11 07:02:33 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-11 07:04:59 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-11 07:05:40 PM  

Rapmaster2000: what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

Hookers and drugs.


Pffffffffff. I will use my own drugs thankyouverymuch

/never know who you can trust in these places
 
2013-03-11 07:05:41 PM  
Wayne LaPierre survival guide:

Step 1: collect large sums of money from an embattled industry
Step 2: lobby for the embattled industry but frame it as the voice of the people
Step 3. repeat
 
2013-03-11 07:05:50 PM  

maxheck: The NRA may once have served a useful purpose, but I can guarantee you that they do not give a single damn about the 2nd amendment.

The purpose of the NRA is to further making money for the NRA.

CS,B:

I used to have a client in the early 2000's that rented space in the NRA's Fairfax headquarters. The lobby is pretty much what you'd expect, lots of flintlocks and crying eagle tchotckies on display.

Since I'm a smoker, I ended up spending a fair amount of time out in the smoking area, (ahem) shooting the breeze with other people who worked in the building, and I got into some conversations with mid-level guys from the NRA.

They were completely unabashed about the fact that they made up bullshiat crises in order to get their members riled up and sending in money. I didn't know the term "Overton Window" at the time, but that was exactly what they were pushing, and these guys were proud of it, and quite happy to talk about it with some random guy in the smoking area.

What amazed me was the guys saying this didn't care... at all. Yeah, I was just some long-haired IT geek who worked up on 4, but so far as they knew I could have been Libby McLibberton, star investigative reporter for the Gun Grabber Gazette.

I can see the purpose for something like the NRA. The ACLU handles all the other amendments, and of course hunters / shooters / collectors can have a lobby just as dentists and stamp collectors can.

But that's not what the NRA is about. The NRA is about making money for the NRA.


Isn't that the same for every pressure group?  Do you think that Greenpeace would ever say that anything was going well with the environment.  Impending doom keeps their expense accounts full.
 
2013-03-11 07:06:16 PM  
HotWingConspiracy
It's different here because they're actively cheering for and working towards a disaster.

Oh come on. I'm sure those people are out there in small numbers, but I think probably in more cases it comes down to people caring for their families and their communities. I've picked up some primitive survival skills, and keep enough food to feed myself and ammo handy to feed my rifle, for the same reason that I learned basic first aid skills and carry insurance. May never need it, but it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Everyone's got their own risk management calculations, but frankly I'm happy that there are people out there doing stuff like stockpiling food. If that one in a million event does occur like it did in N'awleans, more people will survive than might have otherwise, which makes me feel a bit better even if I'm not one of them (and I do plan to be).
 
2013-03-11 07:08:35 PM  
I accidentally crap things bigger than him.
 
2013-03-11 07:09:36 PM  

Takeshi6400: I've never quite understood this American obsession with preparing for impending disaster.  I've never seen it in another country.  I've met educated, rational people who have thousands of rounds of ammunition and months supplies of food for some massive disaster.  I know we all watch The Walking Dead and think, "that would be awesome," but it's not going to happen.


Eh, it's just that nutcase fantasy of "Apocalypse! The holiday during which you can kill people and take their things!" Because these nutcases always say "Law enforcement will be the first to go."
 
2013-03-11 07:09:57 PM  
jso2897
Where I grew up, these were just things you knew - it wasn't associated with any sort of political or social stance, and people didn't think of possessing those skills as an alternative to keeping civilization functioning.

Yeah, in some ways I envy that kind of upbringing... it's fun stuff. Like an increasing number of Americans, I'm a city boy, born and raised. Flintknapping, trapping, plant identification, and making fire are definitely not things we tend to pick up in the course of our daily lives unless we're lucky enough to find really good scout troops.
 
2013-03-11 07:11:13 PM  

mrexcess: jso2897: Honestly, I used to think that was the case. Then I saw the kind of farking madhouse New Orleans turned into during Katrina. Cops randomly shooting families, HAM radio operators becoming the C3 infrastructure for rescue crews, thousands of people living in a stadium with insufficient food and sanitation facilities. I'm not saying its likely to happen again or that we didn't learn lessons, but after seeing that I'll never quite look down on "preppers" as a class the way I might have otherwise.

/learning primitive survival skills is fun and potentially useful in all kinds of situations
//less so learning them from a DC lobbyist


Katrina wasn't really as bad as all that; plus, it was the kind of disaster that the "preppers" wouldn't have been much help with. Remember that the vast majority of New Orleans residents successfully evacuated before Katrina hit, which is about 90% of all you need to do to "prep" for any disaster: Listen to the radio and do what you're told. Don't think you can "ride out" a storm, and don't try to fight a wildfire yourself. For the rest, Katrina was as much a failure of imagination and leadership as it was response. Once the levees failed, there was no reason at all people couldn't have been evacuated by boat; but everyone sat around waiting for someone else to take control.

But prepping for a disaster is only useful if you're prepped for the right kind of disaster. Having lots of guns and canned food would have been useless in New Orleans when half the city was under water and what you needed was a flat-bottomed boat and a pair of oars. I know plenty of people who have their furniture bolted to the walls in case of earthquake...but have no idea how to get their cars out of their garages if the power were to go out. You need to have more than just gunz to survive.
 
2013-03-11 07:13:06 PM  
Honestly the book sounds like it has some good advice. It also sounds like it's mixed up with an unhealthy dose of guano.
 
2013-03-11 07:13:42 PM  

Takeshi6400: I've never quite understood this American obsession with preparing for impending disaster.  I've never seen it in another country.  I've met educated, rational people who have thousands of rounds of ammunition and months supplies of food for some massive disaster.  I know we all watch The Walking Dead and think, "that would be awesome," but it's not going to happen.


The US usually deals with one major natural disaster annually, and a crap-load of local ones.

Doesn't Texas get more tornadoes per year than any other nation? There are places in Alabama with two hurricane seasons.
 
2013-03-11 07:13:47 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: mr lawson: some of you have way too much faith in society.

Guns will never let you down though.


Not like government does.
 
2013-03-11 07:14:19 PM  

WordyGrrl: Because these nutcases always say "Law enforcement will be the first to go."



It was one of the first things to go right after Hurricane Katrina.
 
2013-03-11 07:14:45 PM  

Nadie_AZ: "this book is a must have for all families," Nelson wrote. "although Wayne LaPierre is not a survivalist he certainly fires on all cylinders in this must have book. how many people even think to carry water and food and maybe even clothing and blankets in their car trunks? when you are traveling across country what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city? what do you do if there is a knock on the door in the middle of the night with a stranger asking for help?"

Uh. I shoot them and claim a burglar was trying to break in .... cordially?


My local government recommends carrying those items in my car trunk.  They recommend having a Go Bag.  They have links to FEMA and the Red Cross.  Why is it that Teatards think they're the only people who even consider these things?
 
2013-03-11 07:18:10 PM  
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2013-03-11 07:21:09 PM  

mrexcess: jso2897
Where I grew up, these were just things you knew - it wasn't associated with any sort of political or social stance, and people didn't think of possessing those skills as an alternative to keeping civilization functioning.

Yeah, in some ways I envy that kind of upbringing... it's fun stuff. Like an increasing number of Americans, I'm a city boy, born and raised. Flintknapping, trapping, plant identification, and making fire are definitely not things we tend to pick up in the course of our daily lives unless we're lucky enough to find really good scout troops.


Well, as I see it, part of the reason that kids don't learn these things is that parents (and everybody else) are so damn fear-driven these days, Even after we left the farm, and I became a "city boy", my dad and I continued to spend every vacation in the outdoors, camping , hiking, fishing, etc. - and I was allowed to take risks, and play with dangerous things.
Having those skills has always been a good thing - but turning it into a "movement" doesn't seem, to me, to be so great - especially with all the fear-mongering, and unrealistic rhetoric I hear issuing from many quarters of that movement. Especially when too much fear and paranoia are a big part of the problem to begin with.
 
2013-03-11 07:21:43 PM  

DeltaPunch: IgG4: TP for my pit latrine

Tear each page in half and you have a comfortable 672 wipes...


Nice soft paper...
 
2013-03-11 07:28:53 PM  

The_Sponge: WordyGrrl: Because these nutcases always say "Law enforcement will be the first to go."


It was one of the first things to go right after Hurricane Katrina.


It ain't like NO ever really HAD law enforcement though, so I say your example isn't appropriate.
 
2013-03-11 07:29:55 PM  
Gyrfalcon
You need to have more than just gunz to survive.

Don't disagree with that at all. Guns are a fairly versatile and useful tool, but no more than that. From my perspective, survival is a risk management problem - start with the most capability you're comfortable with providing for the lowest cost that gives you maximum applicability in the widest variety of situations, and work your way down the list until you're comfortable. For most people I'd think that a few gallons of water, some dried or canned food, a flashlight, and a crank radio would be sufficient. Then you've got dorks like me who like the mental challenge and communing with nature that comes with making lean-tos from foliage, fires out of sticks, improvised sutures and wound dressings, trapping and hunting, and knapping flint... just 'cuz.
 
2013-03-11 07:30:06 PM  

IgG4: TP for my pit latrine


upload.wikimedia.org
TP for my bunghole.

/are you threatening me??!
 
2013-03-11 07:30:49 PM  
Takeshi6400:

Isn't that the same for every pressure group? Do you think that Greenpeace would ever say that anything was going well with the environment. Impending doom keeps their expense accounts full.

Maybe, but I would say that many organizations actually do have core principles and are able to care about whatever they were founded on other than "mo money," but that wasn't the impression I got here. I don't even like Greenpeace, but would say they have a bunch of people who give a damn about the cause.

It's like MADD or the Susan J. Komen Foundation. They started out with the best of intentions but became a political, money-making animal more interested in it's own bank account than whatever cause it was supposed to represent.

I guess you'd have had to be there, but before that experience I was neutral about the NRA... I came away with a VERY strong impression that they're just a money pump and some of them are even willing to brag about how strong their suction is.
 
2013-03-11 07:34:00 PM  

ghare: The_Sponge: WordyGrrl: Because these nutcases always say "Law enforcement will be the first to go."


It was one of the first things to go right after Hurricane Katrina.

It ain't like NO ever really HAD law enforcement though, so I say your example isn't appropriate.



Ha!
 
2013-03-11 07:39:16 PM  
jso2897
Having those skills has always been a good thing - but turning it into a "movement" doesn't seem, to me, to be so great - especially with all the fear-mongering, and unrealistic rhetoric I hear issuing from many quarters of that movement. Especially when too much fear and paranoia are a big part of the problem to begin with.

I'd have to agree with that. Watching Doomsday Preppers or frequenting some wildnerness survival forums on the internet is an eye opener in this regard. People are getting into this stuff over what seems to me like some really unrealistic concerns that occasionally border on the downright sad. I feel bad for people who spend a lot of time worrying about massive economic collapse, pulling their spouses and kids out of bed to run monthly "bug out drills", spending college fund money on building bomb shelters. On the other hand, whatever floats their boat I guess, and at least if there's a hurricane/flood/disaster they'll be there to assist their family and community and come out looking heroic.
 
2013-03-11 07:43:48 PM  

Gyrfalcon: the obvious fact that if you pull off the interstate in an unfamiliar city, YOU will be the stranger knocking on the door in the middle of the night asking for help? These poor freaks are wildly missing the fact tha

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EB White wants to talk to you, twice.
 
2013-03-11 07:48:19 PM  
maxheck:


They were completely unabashed about the fact that they made up bullshiat crises in order to get their members riled up and sending in money. I didn't know the term "Overton Window" at the time, but that was exactly what they were pushing, and these guys were proud of it, and quite happy to talk about it with some random guy in the smoking area.

What amazed me was the guys saying this didn't care... at all. .


Like another poster said, that's not unusual. Knew lobbyist & paid staff who worked for Moveon.org and a few other similiar ogranization. It was funny listening to her say the same thing about them. She once stat "Hell, they even believe the stuff they're saying, they're just trying raise money."
 
2013-03-11 07:49:18 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Except that it's a .pdf file.


Had to look, it is hardcover.

Would expect no less from a stand-up guy.
 
2013-03-11 07:49:19 PM  
Ray Bradbury approves this headline.
 
2013-03-11 07:51:05 PM  

Takeshi6400: I've never quite understood this American obsession with preparing for impending disaster.  I've never seen it in another country.  I've met educated, rational people who have thousands of rounds of ammunition and months supplies of food for some massive disaster.  I know we all watch The Walking Dead and think, "that would be awesome," but it's not going to happen.


It's a good investment.  On the day that the Sandy Hook Massacre happened, the value of my stockpiled ammo went up an insane amount.  Hell, you can't even get ammo COMPONENTS now.  Six cents for a fecking PRIMER???

/wishes he was joking...
 
2013-03-11 07:51:13 PM  

Takeshi6400: I've never quite understood this American obsession with preparing for impending disaster.  I've never seen it in another country.  I've met educated, rational people who have thousands of rounds of ammunition and months supplies of food for some massive disaster.  I know we all watch The Walking Dead and think, "that would be awesome," but it's not going to happen.


This no 'other' country.
 
2013-03-11 07:51:14 PM  

whither_apophis: The guy is turning onto Wes from "The Survivors" more and more everyday.


You're not gonna believe this. I was in a hurry when I left the cabin this morning, and, well, silly me, I got the wrong bullets.
 
2013-03-11 07:51:35 PM  
Not a big suprise that the neck-bearded, liberal, obese, computer programmers of Fark don't take kindly to this news.
 
2013-03-11 07:56:15 PM  
i read that as NPR and was thinking wtf.
 
2013-03-11 07:57:13 PM  

CuttySupreme: Not a big suprise that the neck-bearded, liberal, obese, computer programmers of Fark don't take kindly to this news.


Yup. He mad.
 
2013-03-11 07:58:19 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
[flag.blackened.net image 160x208]


That book is full of misinformation.
For a real survival book read the SAS survival manual. It teached you a little bit of everything need to survive. Plus it teaches you how to make traps. Also medicinal herbs. As in can be used to treat inflammation, bleeding, and infection.
 
2013-03-11 08:00:37 PM  

CuttySupreme: Not a big suprise that the neck-bearded, liberal, obese, computer programmers of Fark don't take kindly to this news.


I hate to say it, but I only come here now when I want to see what people I largely don't respect are thinking.  It's like going to DU...it often leaves me feeling soiled after the fact.

BTW:  i135.photobucket.com

I didn't pay over $100 for any of them.
 
2013-03-11 08:03:48 PM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: CuttySupreme: Not a big suprise that the neck-bearded, liberal, obese, computer programmers of Fark don't take kindly to this news.

I hate to say it, but I only come here now when I want to see what people I largely don't respect are thinking.  It's like going to DU...it often leaves me feeling soiled after the fact.

BTW:  [i135.photobucket.com image 694x313]

I didn't pay over $100 for any of them.


Good, because "Remedies for Dogs and Cats" is worthless and Elizabeth Peters sucks as a writer.
 
2013-03-11 08:05:17 PM  
The guy must be a bazillionaire now, with all the kickbacks he must get from the gun makers and merchants. He would push for front lawn land mines if it made him money.
 
2013-03-11 08:06:23 PM  

NateAsbestos: Good, because "Remedies for Dogs and Cats" is worthless and Elizabeth Peters sucks as a writer.


Honestly, I've never read anything Peters has written, but I do enjoy having a "Mrs SMoAF", so I don't criticize her reading proclivities.
 
2013-03-11 08:07:18 PM  

CuttySupreme: Not a big suprise that the neck-bearded, liberal, obese, computer programmers of Fark don't take kindly to this news.


Why would a fat computer programmer be upset idiots were spending 5 bucks on a survival manual written by someone who doesn't know anything about survival?

Or are you confusing laughing at those people with "not taking kindly to"?
 
2013-03-11 08:07:42 PM  

whither_apophis: The guy is turning onto Wes from "The Survivors" more and more everyday.


You think Wayne is God!
 
2013-03-11 08:08:53 PM  
Thanks for the heads up, free shipping too.
 
2013-03-11 08:10:16 PM  
Secret Master of All Flatulence:

Takeshi6400: I've never quite understood this American obsession with preparing for impending disaster. I've never seen it in another country. I've met educated, rational people who have thousands of rounds of ammunition and months supplies of food for some massive disaster. I know we all watch The Walking Dead and think, "that would be awesome," but it's not going to happen.

Zombie porn, the Eschaton, "Red Dawn" and Armageddon all have this one common theme.

The people most interested are the people who think that they're most prepared / virtuous and will be in better shape than all those poor saps who didn't prepare by either stockpiling or getting right with whatever God.

I have no doubt whatsoever that there were people talking about the end times in 10,000BC, and that there was some guy named Og who was convinced that he'd be laughing while everyone else died in the coming sabre-toothed-tiger apocalypse because they didn't invest in fire. It seems to be a common human trait.
 
2013-03-11 08:10:27 PM  

Tenga: whither_apophis: The guy is turning onto Wes from "The Survivors" more and more everyday.

You think Wayne is God!


Lots of people here seem to think he's Satan.
 
2013-03-11 08:13:36 PM  

maxheck: Secret Master of All Flatulence:

Takeshi6400: I've never quite understood this American obsession with preparing for impending disaster. I've never seen it in another country. I've met educated, rational people who have thousands of rounds of ammunition and months supplies of food for some massive disaster. I know we all watch The Walking Dead and think, "that would be awesome," but it's not going to happen.

Zombie porn, the Eschaton, "Red Dawn" and Armageddon all have this one common theme.

The people most interested are the people who think that they're most prepared / virtuous and will be in better shape than all those poor saps who didn't prepare by either stockpiling or getting right with whatever God.

I have no doubt whatsoever that there were people talking about the end times in 10,000BC, and that there was some guy named Og who was convinced that he'd be laughing while everyone else died in the coming sabre-toothed-tiger apocalypse because they didn't invest in fire. It seems to be a common human trait.


"There is no doubt about Martin Luther's marriage, but the rumour about his wife's early confinement is false; she is said however to be pregnant now. If there is truth in the popular legend, that Antichrist will be born from a monk and a nun (which is the story these people keep putting about), how many thousands of Antichrists the world must have already!" -Erasmus

Responding to rumours prompted by the marriage of Martin Luther, in a letter to François Dubois (13 March 1526), as translated in The Correspondence of Erasmus : Letters 1658 to 1801, January 1526-March 1527 (1974) edited by Charles Garfield Nauert and Alexander Dalzell, p. 79
Paraphrased variant: They say that the Antichrist will be born of a monk and a nun. If so, there must already be thousands of Antichrists.
 
2013-03-11 08:14:12 PM  
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2013-03-11 08:17:49 PM  
maxheck:
The people most interested are the people who think that they're most prepared / virtuous and will be in better shape than all those poor saps who didn't prepare by either stockpiling or getting right with whatever God.

I have no doubt whatsoever that there were people talking about the end times in 10,000BC, and that there was some guy named Og who was convinced that he'd be laughing while everyone else died in the coming sabre-toothed-tiger apocalypse because they didn't invest in fire. It seems to be a common human trait.


I enjoy pulling the trigger.  I work to support my addiction, though since I gave up my SOT status, it's a lot harder to pay bills.  Of course, I no longer have to worry about getting my doors kicked in because I pissed off a bureaucrat, so it's got it's benefits.    I've put away stuff for my kids, and their kids, and their kids, to the point that if I retired and spent 8 hours a day at the range, I STILL couldn't expend all of the ammo I've hidden away.  The saddest thing I've seen recently?  A "sworn" LEO who acted as if I'd publicly fellated him in the town square at noon when I sold him a brick of .22LR for $40.  Sad, sad days...
 
2013-03-11 08:23:32 PM  

Omahawg: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x312]


Or a slightly watered down version of those Turner Diaries....:

www.ebooks-share.net
 
2013-03-11 08:28:18 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: dittybopper: OH MY GOD!  It's *HORRIBLE* that he would write something like that!  The man is obviously an inhuman monster!

No kidding! And subby not only wants to to grab guns but also burn books. Congrats, subby, you're Double Hitler.

Wayne LaPierre is a patriot doing his level best to educate people about the real world threats that necessitate large arsenals in every home.
Additionally, he's a strong advocate for ridding us of the scourge of violent video games -- the real cause of mass shootings.

You'd think everyone would be more grateful. It's truly sad he's so misunderstood.


3/10 - a noble effort, but Godwinned at birth
 
2013-03-11 08:29:53 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Right, right, but waiting for the asteroids to come and hoping we're going to build colonies on the Moon make perfect sense though.


What if the asteroid hits the moon, instead?
 
2013-03-11 08:32:12 PM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: CuttySupreme: Not a big suprise that the neck-bearded, liberal, obese, computer programmers of Fark don't take kindly to this news.

I hate to say it, but I only come here now when I want to see what people I largely don't respect are thinking.  It's like going to DU...it often leaves me feeling soiled after the fact.

BTW:  [i135.photobucket.com image 694x313]

I didn't pay over $100 for any of them.


www.blogcdn.com

>Elizabeth Peters
 
2013-03-11 08:34:47 PM  

The_Sponge: what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

I look for Martin Luther King Blvd......and then I try to get away from that street as quickly as possible.


I wonder why gun enthusiasts have a reputation as frightened bedwetters?
 
2013-03-11 08:35:26 PM  

Ablejack: How do you to stop a bad guy with book?!


Have him hold the book on his chest and shoot a .45 through it?

Flamethrower?

Grabbing at straws...
 
2013-03-11 08:37:38 PM  
Does it give tips on how to drink your own pee?
 
2013-03-11 08:37:50 PM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: CuttySupreme: Not a big suprise that the neck-bearded, liberal, obese, computer programmers of Fark don't take kindly to this news.

I hate to say it, but I only come here now when I want to see what people I largely don't respect are thinking.  It's like going to DU...it often leaves me feeling soiled after the fact.

BTW:  [i135.photobucket.com image 694x313]

I didn't pay over $100 for any of them.


Fark isn't quite as bad as DU, but it's close.  Most people here would suck King Obama off if they got the chance.
 
2013-03-11 08:38:08 PM  
According to WND, "Safe" teaches readers how to prepare for floods, fire, hurricanes, tornadoes, "and more."

Chapter 1: Floods. If a flood happens, shoot it.
Chapter 2: Fire. If you are ever in a fire, shoot it.
Chapter 3: Hurricanes. Should a hurricane violate your home, shoot it.

and so on.
 
2013-03-11 08:39:38 PM  

Ablejack: How do you to stop a bad guy with book?!


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-11 08:39:46 PM  

jaytkay: The_Sponge: what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

I look for Martin Luther King Blvd......and then I try to get away from that street as quickly as possible.

I wonder why gun enthusiasts have a reputation as frightened bedwetters?


I wonder why most gun grabbers have a reputation as ignorant pussies who think the world would magically be a better place if they could ban all guns.
 
2013-03-11 08:40:12 PM  
If the majority want to be safe just bring back slavery.

Problem solved.
 
2013-03-11 08:40:24 PM  
Not much changes 'round these parts.
 
2013-03-11 08:40:42 PM  

Ablejack: How do you to stop a bad guy with book?!


The bible stops people from thinking.
 
2013-03-11 08:40:48 PM  
Quantum Apostrophe:

Right, right, but waiting for the asteroids to come and hoping we're going to build colonies on the Moon make perfect sense though.

You should care more about this, since you're going to live a million years.

Right after those pills you said you were going to take to fix your failing eyesight.
 
2013-03-11 08:43:37 PM  

jaytkay: The_Sponge: what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

I look for Martin Luther King Blvd......and then I try to get away from that street as quickly as possible.

I wonder why gun enthusiasts have a reputation as frightened bedwetters?


MLK blvd
 
2013-03-11 08:44:31 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-11 08:46:43 PM  

cowgirl toffee: Does it give tips on how to drink your own pee?


Practice drinking your pee in non-emergency situations.  Substitute it for other things you would normally drink, like coffee or soda.  That way, when an emergency inevitably happens, you'll be the one relaxing with a nice tall glass of urine.
 
2013-03-11 08:47:47 PM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Tenga: whither_apophis: The guy is turning onto Wes from "The Survivors" more and more everyday.

You think Wayne is God!

Lots of people here seem to think he's Satan.


Mmmmmyyyeah. I'm thinking more "P.T. Barnum".
 
2013-03-11 08:48:28 PM  

born_yesterday: cowgirl toffee: Does it give tips on how to drink your own pee?

Practice drinking your pee in non-emergency situations.  Substitute it for other things you would normally drink, like coffee or soda.  That way, when an emergency inevitably happens, you'll be the one relaxing with a nice tall glass of urine.


Does vodak mix well with urine?
 
2013-03-11 08:49:20 PM  

Shirley Ujest: born_yesterday: cowgirl toffee: Does it give tips on how to drink your own pee?

Practice drinking your pee in non-emergency situations.  Substitute it for other things you would normally drink, like coffee or soda.  That way, when an emergency inevitably happens, you'll be the one relaxing with a nice tall glass of urine.

Does vodak mix well with urine?


If you use enough, it doesn't matter.
 
2013-03-11 08:49:25 PM  

CuttySupreme: jaytkay: The_Sponge: what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

I look for Martin Luther King Blvd......and then I try to get away from that street as quickly as possible.

I wonder why gun enthusiasts have a reputation as frightened bedwetters?

I wonder why most gun grabbers have a reputation as ignorant pussies who think the world would magically be a better place if they could ban all guns.


I wonder why you non-sequitured into a fabricated strawman argument when confronted with your reputation for cowardliness.
 
2013-03-11 08:50:16 PM  

jso2897: Shirley Ujest: born_yesterday: cowgirl toffee: Does it give tips on how to drink your own pee?

Practice drinking your pee in non-emergency situations.  Substitute it for other things you would normally drink, like coffee or soda.  That way, when an emergency inevitably happens, you'll be the one relaxing with a nice tall glass of urine.

Does vodak mix well with urine?

If you use enough, it doesn't matter.


What kind of glass should I use?
 
2013-03-11 08:52:43 PM  

rattchett: TheShavingofOccam123: Not_The_Target_Market: Car_Ramrod: MontanaDave: factoryconnection: Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.

This isn't about making money on book sales. It is all about generating leads.

The leads are weak.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x299]
Harriet and Blah-blah Nyborg....

I can't decide whether that is one of the greatest movies ever made or one of the worst. It obviously is a screenplay adapted from a stage play. But some of the acting is amazing. But some of the acting is atrocious. The problem is I have troubles deciding what the great acting is and what the terrible acting is.

Jack Lemmon was amazing. I just can't make up my mind about the rest of them. All right, Ed Harris was amazing in his nuance.

But Alec Baldwin? Dustin Hoffman? Alan Arkin? Kevin Spacey? I can't decide whether they're amazing or terrible.

Dustin Hoffman? It's not Death of a farking Salesman.

Or is it?

Also, the leads aren't weak. You're farking weak.


You're right. That was Al Pacino. But I think Pacino did his best work years earlier.

3.bp.blogspot.com
"I think you're trying to seduce me, Mrs. Nyborg."
 
2013-03-11 08:58:22 PM  

Hickory-smoked: [i.imgur.com image 512x750]


Actually, around here, being armed goes with the job description.  Of course, that's a "tool of intimidation" and not for "self-defense"...which explains how cops came to be armed in the first place...because, as agents of the State, they didn't give up their personal right to be armed.
 
2013-03-11 08:59:37 PM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Takeshi6400: I've never quite understood this American obsession with preparing for impending disaster.  I've never seen it in another country.  I've met educated, rational people who have thousands of rounds of ammunition and months supplies of food for some massive disaster.  I know we all watch The Walking Dead and think, "that would be awesome," but it's not going to happen.

It's a good investment.  On the day that the Sandy Hook Massacre happened, the value of my stockpiled ammo went up an insane amount.  Hell, you can't even get ammo COMPONENTS now.  Six cents for a fecking PRIMER???

/wishes he was joking...


So cash in.  Sell everything you've got, now that the market is high.  Then... sit on your hands for a year... and wen prices are back down to normal, buy an equivalent amount of ammo or components or whatever gun-nut stuff it is you collect.  Then you have extra money left over, having exploited the short-term bubble in ammo (or whatever) components.

Do it.  Be a business man.
 
2013-03-11 09:08:59 PM  
Step 1: Identify any individuals who own this sort of book. They have the highest probability of being a threat to your survival. Kill them in their sleep.
 
2013-03-11 09:14:16 PM  
how many people even think to carry water and food and maybe even clothing and blankets in their car trunks?

Christ this has been Page 1 of the AAA Safe Driving manual for 50 years.
 
2013-03-11 09:15:19 PM  

CuttySupreme: jaytkay: The_Sponge: what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

I look for Martin Luther King Blvd......and then I try to get away from that street as quickly as possible.

I wonder why gun enthusiasts have a reputation as frightened bedwetters?

I wonder why most gun grabbers have a reputation as ignorant pussies who think the world would magically be a better place if they could ban all guns.


Whoa, I hit a nerve.

Did I say frightened bedwetters?

Sorry. I meant overly emotional and fragile frightened bedwetters, seething with anger and lashing out at the slightest perceived provocation.
 
2013-03-11 09:19:40 PM  
1. Smash fly with book
2. Eat fly
/Can't wait to see the Amazon reviews after this hit reddit or 4chan
 
2013-03-11 09:23:50 PM  

born_yesterday: cowgirl toffee: Does it give tips on how to drink your own pee?

Practice drinking your pee in non-emergency situations.  Substitute it for other things you would normally drink, like coffee or soda.  That way, when an emergency inevitably happens, you'll be the one relaxing with a nice tall glass of urine.


I haven't done that, but I have been substituting my manager's drink with my own piss. She will be fine.
 
2013-03-11 09:30:34 PM  
What percentage of people in this blog can even handle a gun properly, or own more than one?

Yep, that's what I thought.
 
2013-03-11 09:35:41 PM  
Damn you Holn LaPierre!
 
2013-03-11 09:40:28 PM  

wingding: jso2897: There are fools.
There are damn fools.
And then, there are "survivalists".*


* Exempition granted to the 1% who are legitimate outdoorsmen.

Then there are the fat pigs who run to the goverment shelters when the shiat hits the fan.


I'll be riding, courtesy of the Scooter Store(tm) and medicaid, thank you very much. And, you can say fat, but truth is I'm just big boned.
 
2013-03-11 09:47:09 PM  

Dellirium: Quantum Apostrophe: Right, right, but waiting for the asteroids to come and hoping we're going to build colonies on the Moon make perfect sense though.

What if the asteroid hits the moon, instead?


farm2.static.flickr.com
 
2013-03-11 09:49:56 PM  

cowgirl toffee: born_yesterday: cowgirl toffee: Does it give tips on how to drink your own pee?

Practice drinking your pee in non-emergency situations.  Substitute it for other things you would normally drink, like coffee or soda.  That way, when an emergency inevitably happens, you'll be the one relaxing with a nice tall glass of urine.

I haven't done that, but I have been substituting my manager's drink with my own piss. She will be fine.


img713.imageshack.us

Or, maybe they do.
 
2013-03-11 09:59:40 PM  

enik: I'd rather have Wayne LaPierre as a neighbor when the shiat goes down than any of you neckbearded beta males. That six pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon in your fridge won't go very far.


It will when I brew more beer.
 
2013-03-11 10:01:43 PM  

CuttySupreme: Not a big suprise that the neck-bearded, liberal, obese, computer programmers of Fark don't take kindly to this news.


Who you calling liberal?
 
2013-03-11 10:11:20 PM  
As an avid sports shooter (not a hunter) Wayne LaPierre was the sole reason that I let 20 years of NRA membership lapse.  This was 5-6 years ago, I couldn't take this jackass telling me how to vote to support HIS personal beliefs, nothing more.  That and the magazines were so shiatty, they weren't even worth half of the membership fee.  Once upon a time, the benefits were worth the price alone.  Then the price was to help support the cause.  Later, I didn't want to support HIS personal causes.
 
2013-03-11 10:12:29 PM  

bmihura: What percentage of people in this blog can even handle a gun properly, or own more than one?

Yep, that's what I thought.


You know what I hate?
Rhetorical questions.
 
2013-03-11 10:17:09 PM  

MylesHeartVodak: As an avid sports shooter (not a hunter) Wayne LaPierre was the sole reason that I let 20 years of NRA membership lapse.  This was 5-6 years ago, I couldn't take this jackass telling me how to vote to support HIS personal beliefs, nothing more.  That and the magazines were so shiatty, they weren't even worth half of the membership fee.  Once upon a time, the benefits were worth the price alone.  Then the price was to help support the cause.  Later, I didn't want to support HIS personal causes.


Long. LONG ago I was a youth member - I was into hunting and outdoor stuff in general, and that was what they were about.
Then, in the late sixties, they started morphing into the John Birch Society with Guns, and I took a fast fade.
 
2013-03-11 10:19:59 PM  
Please don't.

If society collapses and you have to use books for kindling, start with the tax code section at the library.
 
2013-03-11 10:20:40 PM  
I'd rather follow his lead:

i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-11 10:22:17 PM  

Digitalstrange: FlashHarry: chapter 6: kill all the darkies.

Of course he would never say anything like that. Urban youth is the current euphemism. It eliminates the mention of color directly to allow denial



Works for the media.
 
2013-03-11 10:22:19 PM  

MylesHeartVodak: As an avid sports shooter (not a hunter) Wayne LaPierre was the sole reason that I let 20 years of NRA membership lapse.  This was 5-6 years ago, I couldn't take this jackass telling me how to vote to support HIS personal beliefs, nothing more.  That and the magazines were so shiatty, they weren't even worth half of the membership fee.  Once upon a time, the benefits were worth the price alone.  Then the price was to help support the cause.  Later, I didn't want to support HIS personal causes.


Like the NRA or not, they're the only organization powerful enough to protect our gun rights.
 
2013-03-11 10:22:57 PM  

Omahawg: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x312]


Thanks for that. I was wondering if I was the only one who thought that Wayne looks a bit like William Pierce....
 
2013-03-11 10:26:26 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
[flag.blackened.net image 160x208]


What I find most fascinating about this is that the author, William Powell, has a post on Amazon urging people NOT to buy his book.... Rather rare....
 
2013-03-11 10:31:48 PM  

Not_The_Target_Market: Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
[flag.blackened.net image 160x208]

What I find most fascinating about this is that the author, William Powell, has a post on Amazon urging people NOT to buy his book.... Rather rare....



www.booksarepeopletoo.com

Rare? Perhaps.

Original? No.
 
2013-03-11 10:32:25 PM  

CuttySupreme: MylesHeartVodak: As an avid sports shooter (not a hunter) Wayne LaPierre was the sole reason that I let 20 years of NRA membership lapse.  This was 5-6 years ago, I couldn't take this jackass telling me how to vote to support HIS personal beliefs, nothing more.  That and the magazines were so shiatty, they weren't even worth half of the membership fee.  Once upon a time, the benefits were worth the price alone.  Then the price was to help support the cause.  Later, I didn't want to support HIS personal causes.

Like the NRA or not, they're the only organization powerful enough to protect our gun rights.


If only they didn't send out 6 letters or phonecalls from the ILA a month, during every election cycle.  That was pretty much when I stopped - don't try to tell me who to vote for in any election.  That sort of absolute fearmongering struck a wrong chord.  I can always have a boating accident if anything needs to disappear.  The NRA stopped supporting sportsmen years ago.  Notice the PIP/ADD insurance some time.  Compare it to 20 years ago.  They only cover injury if it's at an official NRA function.  It used to be for anything, ever.  A minor money-saving quibble, but it's indicative.
 
2013-03-11 10:41:45 PM  

Not_The_Target_Market: Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
[flag.blackened.net image 160x208]

What I find most fascinating about this is that the author, William Powell, has a post on Amazon urging people NOT to buy his book.... Rather rare....


Huh.  Sounds like he really regrets it.
 
2013-03-11 10:47:39 PM  
Idiots.  This whole farce is a manufactured controversy.   "Oooh, Obama is going to take our guns!"  "Oooh, Obama is tearing up the constitution!"  "Oooh, Obama is going to let the UN invade Texas and install election overwatchers who will actually throw things for Obama because he can't win Ohio!"  I've heard that shiat over and over and over again and it's so damned tiresome.  Never mind that none of this shiat ever actually happens.

What DOES happen, though, is the usual people come along, dropping all the handy buzzwords that get your jingoism and paranoia on high alert, and you rush to do whatever it is they need you to do.  Your training has been so damned Pavlovian that I'm amazed that none of you ever stopped to notice that you all drool on queue.  You're not the "defenders of liberty", you're not the "protectors of the sanctity of marriage", and you sure as hell not the voice of reason.  I wouldn't trust you to even make sure an innocent kid could walk down the street with a can of tea and a bag of skittles could make it two blocks without dying.

No, what you are is fertile soil.  The people who manipulate you rip you apart, line you up in nice neat little rows, fill you full of so much shiat that your family gives up on you.  And then when you're nice and isolated, they start injecting you with seeds of stupidity, conspiracy, and ignorance.  And when it's time to reap that harvest, you fools cheer the arrival of the combine.  You are are the basis of a callous industry.  And you have no idea!  You're nothing more than a windfall for those smarter than you.  A broken one-armed bandit that always pays out because the wheels always line up with DERP DERP DERP.

The end of this country isn't gonna be because Obama fiddled while the country burned.  The end of the country isn't going to be because someone you voted into office decided that maybe giving up high capacity mags full of hydroshocks is a good trade for the life of at least one child.  The end of the country isn't going to happen because Ed and Ned down the street decided to wear white during their wedding.   Nope, the end will come when a bunch of jingoist ignorant twelfth-century reenactors suddenly wanted to know if history does in fact repeat itself.  The collapse will come under metric tons of willful ignorance.  And you fools will cheer it.

You farking disgust me.
 
2013-03-11 10:48:59 PM  
Dammit.  Wrong thread and forum.  Excuse me.  Jack Daniels sucks at proofreading.
 
2013-03-11 10:59:35 PM  
I bet the thing doesn't burn at all, or else he'd finally be good for something other than a laugh.
 
2013-03-11 11:01:29 PM  

MontanaDave: factoryconnection: Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.

This isn't about making money on book sales. It is all about generating leads.


Bingo. Sign up for this book and you'll start getting emails trying to sell you homeschooling books, subscriptions to religious magazines, and pump & dump worthless gold stocks.
 
2013-03-11 11:04:03 PM  

Cpl.D: Dammit.  Wrong thread and forum.  Excuse me.  Jack Daniels sucks at proofreading.


Really?  It works pretty well here.
 
2013-03-11 11:13:51 PM  

born_yesterday: Cpl.D: Dammit.  Wrong thread and forum.  Excuse me.  Jack Daniels sucks at proofreading.

Really?  It works pretty well here.


Inadvertent correctness is still wrong by proxy.
 
2013-03-11 11:20:46 PM  
Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.
 
2013-03-11 11:25:18 PM  

djh0101010: Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.


Protects our rights? Really? 'Cause I'm pretty sure Saint Wayne's solution to school shootings was to create a police state and put police everywhere.

Papers please, citizen.
 
2013-03-11 11:27:08 PM  

Cpl.D: Dammit.  Wrong thread and forum.  Excuse me.  Jack Daniels sucks at proofreading.


It still fits in here as well. Drink up.
 
2013-03-11 11:32:18 PM  

Felgraf: djh0101010: Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.

Protects our rights? Really? 'Cause I'm pretty sure Saint Wayne's solution to school shootings was to create a police state and put police everywhere.

Papers please, citizen.


If you really believe that armed guards to protect important resources equals a police state, then, I have no interest in discussing facts or logic with you.  If you want to stop with the rhetoric and work with logic and facts, I'll be happy to converse about this with you.  But, from your emotionally charged response to my factual statement, I guess that you would rather FEEL about this, than THINK about this.  Try logic please, rather than emotion.  You might find that logic brings more clarity to the situation.
 
2013-03-11 11:32:18 PM  

djh0101010: Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.


In that vein, I don't want the NRA speaking for me, a responsible gun owner.
The NRA is an advocacy group for gun manufacturers and the hard right, plain and simple.  Anyone who doesn't see that is either blind or stupid.  They're going to look so crazy that, in the end, their antics are going to get all guns banned eventually.

What the country needs is a gun owners association for the moderate middle.  The people who think that getting a gun should be at least in the vicinity of difficulty as getting a drivers license.  Who think that concealed carry should be awarded to people who can do more than the bare minimum.  Who think that the idea regarding gun owners should be quality, not quantity.
 
2013-03-11 11:33:23 PM  
I collect because ultimate, I must clear
 
2013-03-11 11:33:30 PM  

stirfrybry: FlashHarry: chapter 6: kill all the darkies.

Race-card strawman hybrid. Good work.


You can't win with these people....even when the NRA has black people working for them, the pro gun control crowd calls them an Uncle Tom and post their personal information online as well as that of their family to try to intimidate them like they have done to Colion Noir.....and with crazies like that pushing for gun control, hoping somebody "pays a visit" to people who disagree with them they wonder why we would rather be armed than not.
 
2013-03-11 11:35:20 PM  

Felgraf: djh0101010: Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.

Protects our rights? Really? 'Cause I'm pretty sure Saint Wayne's solution to school shootings was to create a police state and put police everywhere.

Papers please, citizen.


There is already a police presence in over 50% of the schools in this country. Places like Baltimore, Philadelphia, Detroit all have their own dedicated police forces just for school security.
 
2013-03-11 11:40:57 PM  

taoistlumberjak: djh0101010: Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.

In that vein, I don't want the NRA speaking for me, a responsible gun owner.
The NRA is an advocacy group for gun manufacturers and the hard right, plain and simple.  Anyone who doesn't see that is either blind or stupid.  They're going to look so crazy that, in the end, their antics are going to get all guns banned eventually.

What the country needs is a gun owners association for the moderate middle.  The people who think that getting a gun should be at least in the vicinity of difficulty as getting a drivers license.  Who think that concealed carry should be awarded to people who can do more than the bare minimum.  Who think that the idea regarding gun owners should be quality, not quantity.


The NRA has been pushing for instant background checks and mandatory sentencing for criminals who use guns, for decades.  It's people like you who the liberals love - you're a gun owner who pretends to understand what the NRA is about, but, you get all of your information about the NRA from their opponents.  Please feel free to speak for yourself as such, but don't presume to speak for those of us who are gun owners who have studied the constitution, the legislation, and the proven ineffectiveness of "reasonable" gun control laws.

Instead of infringing on the rights of people who have never done anything wrong, could we instead go with "Project Exile", which in the 1990s in Virginia, created a 40% reduction in violent crimes?  How?  It's shocking, really.  They got such results by, stay with me here, putting the bad guys in jail longer when they did bad things.  No really.  If you add a 5 year mandatory sentence to a convicted criminal's sentence if they use a gun in a crime, or if they're a felon found in possession of a gun, crime goes down dramatically.

How about we do that, which only punishes convicted criminals, and leave the 99.9+ percent of gun owners who aren't criminals alone?

Can we try that first?  Please?  If not, why not?  If not, please, tell me whose side you're on?  Because if you want to defend criminals and punish law abiding people, it makes it look like maybe, just maybe, you're not on the side of the good guys.
 
2013-03-11 11:45:39 PM  

djh0101010: Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.


You ain't protectin' shiat.  There is no threat whatsoever to the second amendment.  Obama ain't out to take your guns.  It's obvious even to the most ardent window licker.  Think again about the whole sandy hook massacre.  If Obama was really out to take your guns, right freaking there was the best pretext he could have ever asked for.  He even sent his pet attack dog Biden in.  And the result?

The proposal wasn't a knee-jerk political reaction like every person on the planet was expecting, myself included.  What came out was reasonable.  I doubt it's effectiveness, but without a doubt all notion of the second amendment being at any sort of peril is gone.  The only ones that still clink on are the ones huddling together hoping Pavlov will come out of his shack and ring the bell.
 
2013-03-11 11:55:18 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Not_The_Target_Market: Car_Ramrod: MontanaDave: factoryconnection: Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.

This isn't about making money on book sales. It is all about generating leads.

The leads are weak.

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Harriet and Blah-blah Nyborg....

I can't decide whether that is one of the greatest movies ever made or one of the worst. It obviously is a screenplay adapted from a stage play. But some of the acting is amazing. But some of the acting is atrocious. The problem is I have troubles deciding what the great acting is and what the terrible acting is.

Jack Lemmon was amazing. I just can't make up my mind about the rest of them. All right, Ed Harris was amazing in his nuance.

But Alec Baldwin? Dustin Hoffman? Alan Arkin? Kevin Spacey? I can't decide whether they're amazing or terrible.


Congrats, you've just watched a David Mamet film.  Seriously, that's his thing - this mannered speech, mannered way of acting.  This movie it works particularly well.  Others, it doesn't.

Makes sense in this thread, too.  The dude's a major right wing loon nowadays.
 
2013-03-11 11:55:23 PM  

Cpl.D: born_yesterday: Cpl.D: Dammit.  Wrong thread and forum.  Excuse me.  Jack Daniels sucks at proofreading.

Really?  It works pretty well here.

Inadvertent correctness is still wrong by proxy.


theinfosphere.org
 
2013-03-12 12:10:04 AM  

Cpl.D: djh0101010: Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.

You ain't protectin' shiat.  There is no threat whatsoever to the second amendment.  Obama ain't out to take your guns.  It's obvious even to the most ardent window licker.  Think again about the whole sandy hook massacre.  If Obama was really out to take your guns, right freaking there was the best pretext he could have ever asked for.  He even sent his pet attack dog Biden in.  And the result?

The proposal wasn't a knee-jerk political reaction like every person on the planet was expecting, myself included.  What came out was reasonable.  I doubt it's effectiveness, but without a doubt all notion of the second amendment being at any sort of peril is gone.  The only ones that still clink on are the ones huddling together hoping Pavlov will come out of his shack and ring the bell.


Thanks for exemplifying my point about "insulting us while you refuse to understand us".  Obama's "reasonable" proposals include bypassing congress to institute a bunch of ideas which aren't what they claim to be, and won't help.

How about, instead, we put the bad guys in jail longer if they use guns in crimes?  That way, the criminals are punished, society is protected, and nobody who isn't a criminal is infringed upon?

Seriously.  Can we start with that please, see how it goes, and work from there?  Project Exile, in Virginia, in the 1990s, had a 40% reduction in violent crime when they did that.  Can we do that, instead of another ban on this or that weapons, which we spent 10 years seeing already that it doesn't do anything to the crime rate?

Can you justify spending so much money on an assault weapons ban, which proved for TEN YEARS to do nothing, when just putting bad guys in jail longer has such a dramatic effect?  Oh, we might have to let  some pot smokers out of jail to put the violent criminals in longer, but, y'know what?  I think society can deal with that.
 
2013-03-12 12:20:26 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
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I used to sell that thing when I was managing a bookstore a few decades ago. I swear that book is more dangerous than a helicopter of FBI snipers. I stopped selling it because I was afraid the family of some fool survivalist who blew himself up was going to sue me.
Before you buy a survival book, count how many fingers the author has. If he has less than ten, find another hobby.
 
2013-03-12 12:25:56 AM  
So, who gives a shiat?
 
2013-03-12 12:31:44 AM  

Coelacanth: Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
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I used to sell that thing when I was managing a bookstore a few decades ago. I swear that book is more dangerous than a helicopter of FBI snipers. I stopped selling it because I was afraid the family of some fool survivalist who blew himself up was going to sue me.
Before you buy a survival book, count how many fingers the author has. If he has less than ten, find another hobby.


The author of the books I read doesn't wear any shoes. Does that count?
 
2013-03-12 12:31:53 AM  

bmihura: What percentage of people in this blog can even handle a gun properly, or own more than one?

Yep, that's what I thought.


Who here has survival training, combat experience, military training, or has been in a dangerous situation where they would have been forced to develop real-world survival skills?

Wayne LaPierre doesn't, yet for some bizarre reason, he felt he was qualified to write a book on survival skills.  We're mocking him for the exact same reason you were trying to mock the posters in the thread.

There's survival books written by former SAS and Delta Force operators, Navy SEALs, former POWs, former hostages, professional hunting guides, explorers, etc.  Why in the fark would you buy one written by some manicured lobbyist?

..and you think Fark is a "blog?"  Really?
 
2013-03-12 12:34:41 AM  

bmihura: What percentage of people in this blog can even handle a gun properly, or own more than one?

Yep, that's what I thought.


<raises hand>
 
2013-03-12 12:41:51 AM  

djh0101010: Thanks for exemplifying my point about "insulting us while you refuse to understand us".  Obama's "reasonable" proposals include bypassing congress to institute a bunch of ideas which aren't what they claim to be, and won't help.


I have a gun cabinet full of guns, and I used to consider myself a Republican back when the party still had some tidbits of sanity left.  I've also been a card carrying member of the NRA.  Again, back when they still had vestiges of sanity.  I killed my first white-tailed deer when I was 12 and my father made me carry it the whole freaking way out across my shoulders.  I was soaked in the blood of the deer I'd just gutted.  Yeah, I think I understand "You" pretty well.  And "you" are freaking wrong on this issue.

How about, instead, we put the bad guys in jail longer if they use guns in crimes?  That way, the criminals are punished, society is protected, and nobody who isn't a criminal is infringed upon?

How about not treating a multiple cause issue as if it were only one cause?  How about we don't pretend like just one single thing will fix things and instead approach a multiple cause problem with multiple solutions?  First, make it harder for crazed assholes to slaughter people en masse.  There's gun control.  Second, work on mental health care and get it overhauled.  That's gonna take many years.  Second, fix the bullshiat war on drugs so our prisons aren't past capacity and we have the farking ROOM to keep gun violence violators in there.  Third, fix campaign finance reform so special interest groups don't have more sway than the common farking citizens, so our votes are more important than goddamned super PACs.  You with me or not?

Seriously.  Can we start with that please, see how it goes, and work from there?  Project Exile, in Virginia, in the 1990s, had a 40% reduction in violent crime when they did that.  Can we do that, instead of another ban on this or that weapons, which we spent 10 years seeing already that it doesn't do anything to the crime rate?

DC banned pistols, but there was still tons of pistol based gun crime.  Wanna know why?  Not that gun control don't work.  It's that it don't work when you're the only one doin' it.  Guns don't respect boundaries.  You ain't gonna bail out a sinking ship by bailing alone from the one end.

Can you justify spending so much money on an assault weapons ban, which proved for TEN YEARS to do nothing, when just putting bad guys in jail longer has such a dramatic effect?  Oh, we might have to let  some pot smokers out of jail to put the violent criminals in longer, but, y'know what?  I think society can deal with that.

Pisswhiffle.  It's not a single cause issue and requires a multiple fix.  As per my note above.  And I'll say that since WE as a society have failed, it's up to us an man up and take our medicine.  If that means no high capacity clips until this shiat is sorted out, so be it.  Part of being an adult is not being a gimp about responsibility.  Man up.
 
2013-03-12 12:47:57 AM  

CthulhuCalling: Coelacanth: Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
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I used to sell that thing when I was managing a bookstore a few decades ago. I swear that book is more dangerous than a helicopter of FBI snipers. I stopped selling it because I was afraid the family of some fool survivalist who blew himself up was going to sue me.
Before you buy a survival book, count how many fingers the author has. If he has less than ten, find another hobby.

The author of the books I read doesn't wear any shoes. Does that count?



Sounds like one of the Paladin Press guys.
 
2013-03-12 12:49:39 AM  
Dunno why I farkin bother.  I'm not Pavlov and I got no farking bell.
 
2013-03-12 12:52:59 AM  

Cpl.D: DC banned pistols, but there was still tons of pistol based gun crime. Wanna know why? Not that gun control don't work. It's that it don't work when you're the only one doin' it. Guns don't respect boundaries. You ain't gonna bail out a sinking ship by bailing alone from the one end.


If it was easier to get a gun outside of DC wouldn't the rate of crime be higher where guns are readily available?
 
2013-03-12 12:59:00 AM  

Coelacanth: CthulhuCalling: Coelacanth: Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
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I used to sell that thing when I was managing a bookstore a few decades ago. I swear that book is more dangerous than a helicopter of FBI snipers. I stopped selling it because I was afraid the family of some fool survivalist who blew himself up was going to sue me.
Before you buy a survival book, count how many fingers the author has. If he has less than ten, find another hobby.

The author of the books I read doesn't wear any shoes. Does that count?


Sounds like one of the Paladin Press guys.


Cody Lundin. He's like the polar opposite of those guys.
 
2013-03-12 01:05:04 AM  

enry: So what's on the other 335 pages after the first one just says "BUY MOAR GUNZ" written in his own poo?


I understand he recommends having food and water, and maybe a blanket, ready.  Oh, and not turning on your lights when you're out, for some reason.

A "must read."
 
2013-03-12 01:17:00 AM  

Giltric: Cpl.D: DC banned pistols, but there was still tons of pistol based gun crime. Wanna know why? Not that gun control don't work. It's that it don't work when you're the only one doin' it. Guns don't respect boundaries. You ain't gonna bail out a sinking ship by bailing alone from the one end.

If it was easier to get a gun outside of DC wouldn't the rate of crime be higher where guns are readily available?


If I was looking to commit crimes with a gun, I'd do it where there was less competition, but that's me.  And Jack.

Lemmie boil it down for ya.  Let's say we implement gun control.  Let's say we do it reasonably and efficiently.  And let's say it doesn't work at all.  You know what happens?  We undo it.  That simple.  Poof, gone.  Load up thirty rounds of hydroshocks and hide a spare mag in your baby's diaper.  Nothing changes!  The alternative?   Let's say we don't do gun control, and it doesn't work.  Much like what we're seeing now.  Now, since it doesn't work we... undo it?  What would you suggest beyond "No gun control?"

I've heard it said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.  The way we handle guns in this country has failed.  These shootings are more than likely going to become more numerous as time goes by.  It needs to be fixed.  Gun control isn't gonna fix it.  Nobody's saying it would.  What we wanna do is do ANYTHING to limit the casualties of the innocent while we put the real fixes in place.  Gun control don't have to be a permanent thing, man.  Reduce the deaths now, fix shiat, give the gun nuts their magazines back.  I'll be in line to get mine, brother.  I don't mind the temporary inconvenience if it means somebody's crumbsnatcher can eat paste at school without it being seasoned by lead.

I don't wanna disarm you.  Obama don't wanna disarm you.  We just want less dead kids.  Are you followin' me here?  Are we tracking?

Ya pickin' up what I'm puttin down?
 
2013-03-12 01:23:40 AM  

CthulhuCalling: Coelacanth: CthulhuCalling: Coelacanth: Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
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I used to sell that thing when I was managing a bookstore a few decades ago. I swear that book is more dangerous than a helicopter of FBI snipers. I stopped selling it because I was afraid the family of some fool survivalist who blew himself up was going to sue me.
Before you buy a survival book, count how many fingers the author has. If he has less than ten, find another hobby.

The author of the books I read doesn't wear any shoes. Does that count?


Sounds like one of the Paladin Press guys.

Cody Lundin. He's like the polar opposite of those guys.



I hope so. Ever been to one of the Soldier of Fortune conventions here in Las Vegas? There used to be this one booth peddling books that had so many authors missing so many pieces between them that they could've built a new guy from all the castoffs.
 
2013-03-12 01:30:14 AM  

Coelacanth: CthulhuCalling: Coelacanth: CthulhuCalling: Coelacanth: Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
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I used to sell that thing when I was managing a bookstore a few decades ago. I swear that book is more dangerous than a helicopter of FBI snipers. I stopped selling it because I was afraid the family of some fool survivalist who blew himself up was going to sue me.
Before you buy a survival book, count how many fingers the author has. If he has less than ten, find another hobby.

The author of the books I read doesn't wear any shoes. Does that count?

Sounds like one of the Paladin Press guys.

Cody Lundin. He's like the polar opposite of those guys.

I hope so. Ever been to one of the Soldier of Fortune conventions here in Las Vegas? There used to be this one booth peddling books that had so many authors missing so many pieces between them that they could've built a new guy from all the castoffs.


I stopped going to the local gun shows a while ago. Apart from having everything except guns, the teabagger/doomsday prepper crowd just got a little too derpy for my tastes.
 
2013-03-12 01:32:45 AM  
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2013-03-12 01:36:24 AM  
Live by the gun or die by the gun.

Live by the sword or swallow the sword.

Live by the pineapple or insert it rectally.

Live by the 336 page survival manual, or use 2 brain cells and don't read the 336 page survival manual, and still live.

Live by the National Rife Association, die by the National Rectum Assaulters.

Live by the Wings song "Live and Let Die", Die by the Guns 'N Roses version.
 
2013-03-12 01:49:36 AM  
lh3.googleusercontent.com Approves
/ultra obscure
 
2013-03-12 01:56:01 AM  
"when you are traveling across country what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?"

Waffle House and Motel 6. What is this guy on?
 
2013-03-12 02:00:49 AM  

jaytkay: The_Sponge: what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

I look for Martin Luther King Blvd......and then I try to get away from that street as quickly as possible.

I wonder why gun enthusiasts have a reputation as frightened bedwetters?


I wonder why pussified gun grabbers can't take a joke.
 
2013-03-12 02:16:36 AM  

Giltric: Cpl.D: DC banned pistols, but there was still tons of pistol based gun crime. Wanna know why? Not that gun control don't work. It's that it don't work when you're the only one doin' it. Guns don't respect boundaries. You ain't gonna bail out a sinking ship by bailing alone from the one end.

If it was easier to get a gun outside of DC wouldn't the rate of crime be higher where guns are readily available?


Only if you assume that crime follows the guns instead of the other way around.

It's easier to get a gun outside DC...but still easier to get drugs, whores, stolen property, and do other crime-related deeds INSIDE DC. So you go outside the city to buy your guns, and then go back inside to do whatever it is you needed  a gun for. If you need to shoot a rival crack dealer, but you need to go to Hagerstown to buy a Glock to shoot him with, you can't exactly invite him over to Hagerstown with you so you can kill him, you know? You're going to have to drive back once you've got the weapon.

So the crime rate in DC, despite their strict gun control laws, isn't necessarily going to go down. It might even go up, what with crazy people doing all that extra traveling.
 
2013-03-12 02:30:55 AM  

Cpl.D: Giltric: Cpl.D: DC banned pistols, but there was still tons of pistol based gun crime. Wanna know why? Not that gun control don't work. It's that it don't work when you're the only one doin' it. Guns don't respect boundaries. You ain't gonna bail out a sinking ship by bailing alone from the one end.

If it was easier to get a gun outside of DC wouldn't the rate of crime be higher where guns are readily available?

If I was looking to commit crimes with a gun, I'd do it where there was less competition, but that's me. And Jack.

Lemmie boil it down for ya. Let's say we implement gun control. Let's say we do it reasonably and efficiently. And let's say it doesn't work at all. You know what happens? We undo it. That simple. Poof, gone. Load up thirty rounds of hydroshocks and hide a spare mag in your baby's diaper. Nothing changes! The alternative? Let's say we don't do gun control, and it doesn't work. Much like what we're seeing now. Now, since it doesn't work we... undo it? What would you suggest beyond "No gun control?"


You didn't answer his question as to why there was no effect on crime in all these cities that have made guns more difficult for legal citizens to get. Thats because gun control and assault weapons bans are failed policies that don't have an impact on crime. A negative impact, that is, it seems more likely that they might actually increase crime in some areas. It certainly hasn't had any positive effect in Mexico... Chicago... Oakland...

As to your idea about "trying" gun control, we have with the 1994-2004 Assault weapons ban. It had no effect on national crime when it was implemented and it had no effect on crime when it lapsed.

www.usnews.com
I've heard it said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

Ok then. You were proposing that exactly. Now that you know better hopefully you'll start kicking some cash to the NRA.

The way we handle guns in this country has failed.  These shootings are more than likely going to become more numerous as time goes by.  It needs to be fixed.  Gun control isn't gonna fix it.  Nobody's saying it would.

Wait.. so we're just supposed to create millions of criminals out of law abiding citizens overnight by passing gun control laws and making certain weapons illegal... because it won't do anything? Thanks but I'll pass.

Also, the rate of mass shootings peaked about 1980 and has remained steady since.

I don't wanna disarm you.  Obama don't wanna disarm you.  We just want less dead kids.  Are you followin' me here?  Are we tracking?

You mean like dead kids at Columbine that were killed during the last AWB? Like the ones that Cho Killed at VA tech with legal 10 round magazines? Do you really think that Lanza needed a "specialized" weapon to kill a bunch of children locked in a room? Massacring children isnt something that's held to be very difficult, its just so morally repugnant that it hadn't been done before.  Well, except for the Bath school mass murder... which was a bomb attack...
 
2013-03-12 02:31:36 AM  
I can't even remember what I came to say after reading this stream of herpaderp.  Sorry.
 
2013-03-12 02:47:11 AM  

syrynxx: I can't even remember what I came to say after reading this stream of herpaderp.  Sorry.


I find that's fairly common... wait, this one isn't on the Politics Tab?
 
2013-03-12 07:29:25 AM  

CuttySupreme: MylesHeartVodak: As an avid sports shooter (not a hunter) Wayne LaPierre was the sole reason that I let 20 years of NRA membership lapse.  This was 5-6 years ago, I couldn't take this jackass telling me how to vote to support HIS personal beliefs, nothing more.  That and the magazines were so shiatty, they weren't even worth half of the membership fee.  Once upon a time, the benefits were worth the price alone.  Then the price was to help support the cause.  Later, I didn't want to support HIS personal causes.

Like the NRA or not, they're the only organization powerful enough to protect our gun rights.


That may be true, but if they want to keep that power they should drop the LaPIerre style bullshiat politics and stick to gun issues, and not pretend they are fighting for gun rights as a thin guise to propagandize for the GOP.

I am really torn on whether to renew my membership or not.  I would like to have somebody powerful filing lawsuits and such on behalf of gun rights, but I don't need them to be political shills for the GOP either.
 
2013-03-12 07:36:27 AM  

Cpl.D: Lemmie boil it down for ya. Let's say we implement gun control. Let's say we do it reasonably and efficiently. And let's say it doesn't work at all. You know what happens? We undo it. That simple. Poof, gone. Load up thirty rounds of hydroshocks and hide a spare mag in your baby's diaper. Nothing changes! The alternative? Let's say we don't do gun control, and it doesn't work. Much like what we're seeing now. Now, since it doesn't work we... undo it? What would you suggest beyond "No gun control?"


Just like, poof!, we have recognized the drug war doesn't work and it's gone now.
 
2013-03-12 09:30:12 AM  

manimal2878: That may be true, but if they want to keep that power they should drop the LaPIerre style bullshiat politics and stick to gun issues


To be fair, there isn't much they can do.
Our opponents in this fight are very good at playing the media. They've taking the "would you like fewer rights and less stuff?" tact for a very successful run. They actively go after gun rights and then complain when a gun rights organization supports *gasp* their opponents!

Gun ban supporters will trash talk whoever you put up as the face of the cause because they are more interested in tearing down the NRA than having any discussions.  The best you can do is remain calm, speak your mind clearly, and try not to get wrapped up in the hyperbole.

So far the NRA has kept to that plan.

/Pierre pens a book to gun owners about how to respond to hypothetical scenarios.
/Because its not like gun owners don't talk about such things all the farking time...
/Gets slammed for being an extreme survivalist, not being extreme survivalist enough.
/Some folks just can't be pleased.
 
2013-03-12 10:32:53 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Wayne LaPierre is a front by the Obama junta to make patriotic Americans look crazy.  You can tell by his French name.  The regime tripped up on that one.  I am not fooled.

Ever vigilant.


And speaking of mindless Hollywood cocksuckers, before Charlton Heston became President of these dickless lunatics in the NRA, they had a different guy. He's still one of their major spokesmen, and his name is Wayne LaPierre. Doesn't that sound a bit fruitty to you? "Hi, I'm Wayne, I'm a gun person. Bang bang!" You know what this guy's name ought to be? Biff Webster. Spud Crowley, a man's name! Chuck Steak! -- George Carlin
 
2013-03-12 11:45:46 AM  

manimal2878: That may be true, but if they want to keep that power they should drop the LaPIerre style bullshiat politics and stick to gun issues, and not pretend they are fighting for gun rights as a thin guise to propagandize for the GOP.

I am really torn on whether to renew my membership or not. I would like to have somebody powerful filing lawsuits and such on behalf of gun rights, but I don't need them to be political shills for the GOP either.


My dad dropped his membership for the same reason (before I was old enough to be eligible) and was sending his money to the American Hunters and Shooters Association, but apparently he was the only one, because they've since shut down. If you're a hunter primarily, then I'd look at something like Ducks Unlimited, Whitetails Unlimited, or whatever it is that you hunt. There's probably a conservation group out there for it that could use your support on stuff like increasing habitat, common sense hunting regulation, and the what have ya.
 
2013-03-12 12:32:35 PM  

The_Sponge: jaytkay: The_Sponge: what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

I look for Martin Luther King Blvd......and then I try to get away from that street as quickly as possible.

I wonder why gun enthusiasts have a reputation as frightened bedwetters?

I wonder why pussified gun grabbers can't take a joke.


Is the entirety of the joke "Low-income black people are dangerous," or is there some subtlety that's eluding us?
 
2013-03-12 04:43:05 PM  

mysticcat: I especially like the part that warns against vaccinations, which are actually the government's way of injecting tracking devices into your children.


And I specifically requested the injection of a microscopic Raquel Welch to toss me off from the inside.  Bait and Switch is what I call that!
 
2013-03-12 04:57:56 PM  

enik: I'd rather have Wayne LaPierre as a neighbor when the shiat goes down than any of you neckbearded beta males. That six pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon in your fridge won't go very far.


Alternatively, we could have a small group of cooperative neighbors helping protect and grow food for each other, instead of a motley collection  of paranoiac, violent individualists, such as we have in the US even without a Black Swan event rodgering us in the chili sluice.  If you hope to be the only survivor of a Raft of the Medusa reenactment in the event of major social adversity, you're probably going to have a very bad time.
 
2013-03-12 05:10:49 PM  
NRA : Gun rights :: PETA : Animal rights
 
2013-03-12 05:17:40 PM  

The_Sponge: WordyGrrl: Because these nutcases always say "Law enforcement will be the first to go."


It was one of the first things to go right after Hurricane Katrina.


Katrina was a worst case scenario all the way around. Law enforcement was vastly outnumbered by opportunistic jackasses (who most likely already had criminal tendencies) jumping on the chance to loot electronics and jewelry instead of legitimate survival supplies like food and water.

/Legitimate survival supplies may refer to blue plastic tubs full of Heineken.
 
2013-03-12 05:45:35 PM  

way south: and try not to get wrapped up in the hyperbole.

So far the NRA has kept to that plan.


Have you read an issue of america rifleman in the last few years?  It is all hyperbole all the time, with an article or two thrown in on historic guns.
 
2013-03-12 06:43:50 PM  

cowgirl toffee: Does it give tips on how to drink your own pee?


Aim genitals at mouth. Open mouth.
 
2013-03-12 11:08:31 PM  

The_Sponge: uncleacid: Miss me yet?

[img2-1.timeinc.net image 240x320]


I remember the Fark thread that came up after he passed away.....some idiots acted like some evil dictator had just died.


One right wing authoritarian is much like another.
 
2013-03-13 03:34:45 AM  

kg2095: One right wing authoritarian is much like another.



^How cute, a retard.

A right wing authoritarian?  Why don't you do some research and find out that Heston marched with MLK before it became trendy for Hollywood actors to do so.
 
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