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(Talking Points Memo)   NRA chief Wayne LaPierre's 336-page survival manual on sale for only $4.95. When society collapses, you'll be able to burn it for heat   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 251
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2013-03-11 11:13:51 PM

born_yesterday: Cpl.D: Dammit.  Wrong thread and forum.  Excuse me.  Jack Daniels sucks at proofreading.

Really?  It works pretty well here.


Inadvertent correctness is still wrong by proxy.
 
2013-03-11 11:20:46 PM
Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.
 
2013-03-11 11:25:18 PM

djh0101010: Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.


Protects our rights? Really? 'Cause I'm pretty sure Saint Wayne's solution to school shootings was to create a police state and put police everywhere.

Papers please, citizen.
 
2013-03-11 11:27:08 PM

Cpl.D: Dammit.  Wrong thread and forum.  Excuse me.  Jack Daniels sucks at proofreading.


It still fits in here as well. Drink up.
 
2013-03-11 11:32:18 PM

Felgraf: djh0101010: Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.

Protects our rights? Really? 'Cause I'm pretty sure Saint Wayne's solution to school shootings was to create a police state and put police everywhere.

Papers please, citizen.


If you really believe that armed guards to protect important resources equals a police state, then, I have no interest in discussing facts or logic with you.  If you want to stop with the rhetoric and work with logic and facts, I'll be happy to converse about this with you.  But, from your emotionally charged response to my factual statement, I guess that you would rather FEEL about this, than THINK about this.  Try logic please, rather than emotion.  You might find that logic brings more clarity to the situation.
 
2013-03-11 11:32:18 PM

djh0101010: Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.


In that vein, I don't want the NRA speaking for me, a responsible gun owner.
The NRA is an advocacy group for gun manufacturers and the hard right, plain and simple.  Anyone who doesn't see that is either blind or stupid.  They're going to look so crazy that, in the end, their antics are going to get all guns banned eventually.

What the country needs is a gun owners association for the moderate middle.  The people who think that getting a gun should be at least in the vicinity of difficulty as getting a drivers license.  Who think that concealed carry should be awarded to people who can do more than the bare minimum.  Who think that the idea regarding gun owners should be quality, not quantity.
 
2013-03-11 11:33:23 PM
I collect because ultimate, I must clear
 
2013-03-11 11:33:30 PM

stirfrybry: FlashHarry: chapter 6: kill all the darkies.

Race-card strawman hybrid. Good work.


You can't win with these people....even when the NRA has black people working for them, the pro gun control crowd calls them an Uncle Tom and post their personal information online as well as that of their family to try to intimidate them like they have done to Colion Noir.....and with crazies like that pushing for gun control, hoping somebody "pays a visit" to people who disagree with them they wonder why we would rather be armed than not.
 
2013-03-11 11:35:20 PM

Felgraf: djh0101010: Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.

Protects our rights? Really? 'Cause I'm pretty sure Saint Wayne's solution to school shootings was to create a police state and put police everywhere.

Papers please, citizen.


There is already a police presence in over 50% of the schools in this country. Places like Baltimore, Philadelphia, Detroit all have their own dedicated police forces just for school security.
 
2013-03-11 11:40:57 PM

taoistlumberjak: djh0101010: Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.

In that vein, I don't want the NRA speaking for me, a responsible gun owner.
The NRA is an advocacy group for gun manufacturers and the hard right, plain and simple.  Anyone who doesn't see that is either blind or stupid.  They're going to look so crazy that, in the end, their antics are going to get all guns banned eventually.

What the country needs is a gun owners association for the moderate middle.  The people who think that getting a gun should be at least in the vicinity of difficulty as getting a drivers license.  Who think that concealed carry should be awarded to people who can do more than the bare minimum.  Who think that the idea regarding gun owners should be quality, not quantity.


The NRA has been pushing for instant background checks and mandatory sentencing for criminals who use guns, for decades.  It's people like you who the liberals love - you're a gun owner who pretends to understand what the NRA is about, but, you get all of your information about the NRA from their opponents.  Please feel free to speak for yourself as such, but don't presume to speak for those of us who are gun owners who have studied the constitution, the legislation, and the proven ineffectiveness of "reasonable" gun control laws.

Instead of infringing on the rights of people who have never done anything wrong, could we instead go with "Project Exile", which in the 1990s in Virginia, created a 40% reduction in violent crimes?  How?  It's shocking, really.  They got such results by, stay with me here, putting the bad guys in jail longer when they did bad things.  No really.  If you add a 5 year mandatory sentence to a convicted criminal's sentence if they use a gun in a crime, or if they're a felon found in possession of a gun, crime goes down dramatically.

How about we do that, which only punishes convicted criminals, and leave the 99.9+ percent of gun owners who aren't criminals alone?

Can we try that first?  Please?  If not, why not?  If not, please, tell me whose side you're on?  Because if you want to defend criminals and punish law abiding people, it makes it look like maybe, just maybe, you're not on the side of the good guys.
 
2013-03-11 11:45:39 PM

djh0101010: Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.


You ain't protectin' shiat.  There is no threat whatsoever to the second amendment.  Obama ain't out to take your guns.  It's obvious even to the most ardent window licker.  Think again about the whole sandy hook massacre.  If Obama was really out to take your guns, right freaking there was the best pretext he could have ever asked for.  He even sent his pet attack dog Biden in.  And the result?

The proposal wasn't a knee-jerk political reaction like every person on the planet was expecting, myself included.  What came out was reasonable.  I doubt it's effectiveness, but without a doubt all notion of the second amendment being at any sort of peril is gone.  The only ones that still clink on are the ones huddling together hoping Pavlov will come out of his shack and ring the bell.
 
2013-03-11 11:55:18 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Not_The_Target_Market: Car_Ramrod: MontanaDave: factoryconnection: Wayne LaPierre is better at his job than just about anyone is good at their job.  He gets people to join the NRA (adding customers), he gets people to buy guns and ammo (pleasing the advertisers) and he keeps the politicians in line (keeping customers and advertisers happy) and no matter what he says, more people sign up.

I'm not saying he's a good man, but he's a good salesman.  Maybe not a good book salesman, though.

This isn't about making money on book sales. It is all about generating leads.

The leads are weak.

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Harriet and Blah-blah Nyborg....

I can't decide whether that is one of the greatest movies ever made or one of the worst. It obviously is a screenplay adapted from a stage play. But some of the acting is amazing. But some of the acting is atrocious. The problem is I have troubles deciding what the great acting is and what the terrible acting is.

Jack Lemmon was amazing. I just can't make up my mind about the rest of them. All right, Ed Harris was amazing in his nuance.

But Alec Baldwin? Dustin Hoffman? Alan Arkin? Kevin Spacey? I can't decide whether they're amazing or terrible.


Congrats, you've just watched a David Mamet film.  Seriously, that's his thing - this mannered speech, mannered way of acting.  This movie it works particularly well.  Others, it doesn't.

Makes sense in this thread, too.  The dude's a major right wing loon nowadays.
 
2013-03-11 11:55:23 PM

Cpl.D: born_yesterday: Cpl.D: Dammit.  Wrong thread and forum.  Excuse me.  Jack Daniels sucks at proofreading.

Really?  It works pretty well here.

Inadvertent correctness is still wrong by proxy.


theinfosphere.org
 
2013-03-12 12:10:04 AM

Cpl.D: djh0101010: Imagine my surprise to find that this thread was full of people ignorant of what the NRA actually stands for, and with people who play the "Oh, I have a gun, so I can speak for the NRA even though I won't give them money" card.

It's easy to insult a group of people you refuse to understand.  The NRA protects your rights even while you insult us.  At some point, you might understand what we've been getting at all this time.  Or not.

You're welcome.  Even if you don't deserve it.

You ain't protectin' shiat.  There is no threat whatsoever to the second amendment.  Obama ain't out to take your guns.  It's obvious even to the most ardent window licker.  Think again about the whole sandy hook massacre.  If Obama was really out to take your guns, right freaking there was the best pretext he could have ever asked for.  He even sent his pet attack dog Biden in.  And the result?

The proposal wasn't a knee-jerk political reaction like every person on the planet was expecting, myself included.  What came out was reasonable.  I doubt it's effectiveness, but without a doubt all notion of the second amendment being at any sort of peril is gone.  The only ones that still clink on are the ones huddling together hoping Pavlov will come out of his shack and ring the bell.


Thanks for exemplifying my point about "insulting us while you refuse to understand us".  Obama's "reasonable" proposals include bypassing congress to institute a bunch of ideas which aren't what they claim to be, and won't help.

How about, instead, we put the bad guys in jail longer if they use guns in crimes?  That way, the criminals are punished, society is protected, and nobody who isn't a criminal is infringed upon?

Seriously.  Can we start with that please, see how it goes, and work from there?  Project Exile, in Virginia, in the 1990s, had a 40% reduction in violent crime when they did that.  Can we do that, instead of another ban on this or that weapons, which we spent 10 years seeing already that it doesn't do anything to the crime rate?

Can you justify spending so much money on an assault weapons ban, which proved for TEN YEARS to do nothing, when just putting bad guys in jail longer has such a dramatic effect?  Oh, we might have to let  some pot smokers out of jail to put the violent criminals in longer, but, y'know what?  I think society can deal with that.
 
2013-03-12 12:20:26 AM

Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
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I used to sell that thing when I was managing a bookstore a few decades ago. I swear that book is more dangerous than a helicopter of FBI snipers. I stopped selling it because I was afraid the family of some fool survivalist who blew himself up was going to sue me.
Before you buy a survival book, count how many fingers the author has. If he has less than ten, find another hobby.
 
2013-03-12 12:25:56 AM
So, who gives a shiat?
 
2013-03-12 12:31:44 AM

Coelacanth: Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
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I used to sell that thing when I was managing a bookstore a few decades ago. I swear that book is more dangerous than a helicopter of FBI snipers. I stopped selling it because I was afraid the family of some fool survivalist who blew himself up was going to sue me.
Before you buy a survival book, count how many fingers the author has. If he has less than ten, find another hobby.


The author of the books I read doesn't wear any shoes. Does that count?
 
2013-03-12 12:31:53 AM

bmihura: What percentage of people in this blog can even handle a gun properly, or own more than one?

Yep, that's what I thought.


Who here has survival training, combat experience, military training, or has been in a dangerous situation where they would have been forced to develop real-world survival skills?

Wayne LaPierre doesn't, yet for some bizarre reason, he felt he was qualified to write a book on survival skills.  We're mocking him for the exact same reason you were trying to mock the posters in the thread.

There's survival books written by former SAS and Delta Force operators, Navy SEALs, former POWs, former hostages, professional hunting guides, explorers, etc.  Why in the fark would you buy one written by some manicured lobbyist?

..and you think Fark is a "blog?"  Really?
 
2013-03-12 12:34:41 AM

bmihura: What percentage of people in this blog can even handle a gun properly, or own more than one?

Yep, that's what I thought.


<raises hand>
 
2013-03-12 12:41:51 AM

djh0101010: Thanks for exemplifying my point about "insulting us while you refuse to understand us".  Obama's "reasonable" proposals include bypassing congress to institute a bunch of ideas which aren't what they claim to be, and won't help.


I have a gun cabinet full of guns, and I used to consider myself a Republican back when the party still had some tidbits of sanity left.  I've also been a card carrying member of the NRA.  Again, back when they still had vestiges of sanity.  I killed my first white-tailed deer when I was 12 and my father made me carry it the whole freaking way out across my shoulders.  I was soaked in the blood of the deer I'd just gutted.  Yeah, I think I understand "You" pretty well.  And "you" are freaking wrong on this issue.

How about, instead, we put the bad guys in jail longer if they use guns in crimes?  That way, the criminals are punished, society is protected, and nobody who isn't a criminal is infringed upon?

How about not treating a multiple cause issue as if it were only one cause?  How about we don't pretend like just one single thing will fix things and instead approach a multiple cause problem with multiple solutions?  First, make it harder for crazed assholes to slaughter people en masse.  There's gun control.  Second, work on mental health care and get it overhauled.  That's gonna take many years.  Second, fix the bullshiat war on drugs so our prisons aren't past capacity and we have the farking ROOM to keep gun violence violators in there.  Third, fix campaign finance reform so special interest groups don't have more sway than the common farking citizens, so our votes are more important than goddamned super PACs.  You with me or not?

Seriously.  Can we start with that please, see how it goes, and work from there?  Project Exile, in Virginia, in the 1990s, had a 40% reduction in violent crime when they did that.  Can we do that, instead of another ban on this or that weapons, which we spent 10 years seeing already that it doesn't do anything to the crime rate?

DC banned pistols, but there was still tons of pistol based gun crime.  Wanna know why?  Not that gun control don't work.  It's that it don't work when you're the only one doin' it.  Guns don't respect boundaries.  You ain't gonna bail out a sinking ship by bailing alone from the one end.

Can you justify spending so much money on an assault weapons ban, which proved for TEN YEARS to do nothing, when just putting bad guys in jail longer has such a dramatic effect?  Oh, we might have to let  some pot smokers out of jail to put the violent criminals in longer, but, y'know what?  I think society can deal with that.

Pisswhiffle.  It's not a single cause issue and requires a multiple fix.  As per my note above.  And I'll say that since WE as a society have failed, it's up to us an man up and take our medicine.  If that means no high capacity clips until this shiat is sorted out, so be it.  Part of being an adult is not being a gimp about responsibility.  Man up.
 
2013-03-12 12:47:57 AM

CthulhuCalling: Coelacanth: Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
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I used to sell that thing when I was managing a bookstore a few decades ago. I swear that book is more dangerous than a helicopter of FBI snipers. I stopped selling it because I was afraid the family of some fool survivalist who blew himself up was going to sue me.
Before you buy a survival book, count how many fingers the author has. If he has less than ten, find another hobby.

The author of the books I read doesn't wear any shoes. Does that count?



Sounds like one of the Paladin Press guys.
 
2013-03-12 12:49:39 AM
Dunno why I farkin bother.  I'm not Pavlov and I got no farking bell.
 
2013-03-12 12:52:59 AM

Cpl.D: DC banned pistols, but there was still tons of pistol based gun crime. Wanna know why? Not that gun control don't work. It's that it don't work when you're the only one doin' it. Guns don't respect boundaries. You ain't gonna bail out a sinking ship by bailing alone from the one end.


If it was easier to get a gun outside of DC wouldn't the rate of crime be higher where guns are readily available?
 
2013-03-12 12:59:00 AM

Coelacanth: CthulhuCalling: Coelacanth: Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
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I used to sell that thing when I was managing a bookstore a few decades ago. I swear that book is more dangerous than a helicopter of FBI snipers. I stopped selling it because I was afraid the family of some fool survivalist who blew himself up was going to sue me.
Before you buy a survival book, count how many fingers the author has. If he has less than ten, find another hobby.

The author of the books I read doesn't wear any shoes. Does that count?


Sounds like one of the Paladin Press guys.


Cody Lundin. He's like the polar opposite of those guys.
 
2013-03-12 01:05:04 AM

enry: So what's on the other 335 pages after the first one just says "BUY MOAR GUNZ" written in his own poo?


I understand he recommends having food and water, and maybe a blanket, ready.  Oh, and not turning on your lights when you're out, for some reason.

A "must read."
 
2013-03-12 01:17:00 AM

Giltric: Cpl.D: DC banned pistols, but there was still tons of pistol based gun crime. Wanna know why? Not that gun control don't work. It's that it don't work when you're the only one doin' it. Guns don't respect boundaries. You ain't gonna bail out a sinking ship by bailing alone from the one end.

If it was easier to get a gun outside of DC wouldn't the rate of crime be higher where guns are readily available?


If I was looking to commit crimes with a gun, I'd do it where there was less competition, but that's me.  And Jack.

Lemmie boil it down for ya.  Let's say we implement gun control.  Let's say we do it reasonably and efficiently.  And let's say it doesn't work at all.  You know what happens?  We undo it.  That simple.  Poof, gone.  Load up thirty rounds of hydroshocks and hide a spare mag in your baby's diaper.  Nothing changes!  The alternative?   Let's say we don't do gun control, and it doesn't work.  Much like what we're seeing now.  Now, since it doesn't work we... undo it?  What would you suggest beyond "No gun control?"

I've heard it said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.  The way we handle guns in this country has failed.  These shootings are more than likely going to become more numerous as time goes by.  It needs to be fixed.  Gun control isn't gonna fix it.  Nobody's saying it would.  What we wanna do is do ANYTHING to limit the casualties of the innocent while we put the real fixes in place.  Gun control don't have to be a permanent thing, man.  Reduce the deaths now, fix shiat, give the gun nuts their magazines back.  I'll be in line to get mine, brother.  I don't mind the temporary inconvenience if it means somebody's crumbsnatcher can eat paste at school without it being seasoned by lead.

I don't wanna disarm you.  Obama don't wanna disarm you.  We just want less dead kids.  Are you followin' me here?  Are we tracking?

Ya pickin' up what I'm puttin down?
 
2013-03-12 01:23:40 AM

CthulhuCalling: Coelacanth: CthulhuCalling: Coelacanth: Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
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I used to sell that thing when I was managing a bookstore a few decades ago. I swear that book is more dangerous than a helicopter of FBI snipers. I stopped selling it because I was afraid the family of some fool survivalist who blew himself up was going to sue me.
Before you buy a survival book, count how many fingers the author has. If he has less than ten, find another hobby.

The author of the books I read doesn't wear any shoes. Does that count?


Sounds like one of the Paladin Press guys.

Cody Lundin. He's like the polar opposite of those guys.



I hope so. Ever been to one of the Soldier of Fortune conventions here in Las Vegas? There used to be this one booth peddling books that had so many authors missing so many pieces between them that they could've built a new guy from all the castoffs.
 
2013-03-12 01:30:14 AM

Coelacanth: CthulhuCalling: Coelacanth: CthulhuCalling: Coelacanth: Marcus Aurelius: We used to have REAL books when I was a kid.
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I used to sell that thing when I was managing a bookstore a few decades ago. I swear that book is more dangerous than a helicopter of FBI snipers. I stopped selling it because I was afraid the family of some fool survivalist who blew himself up was going to sue me.
Before you buy a survival book, count how many fingers the author has. If he has less than ten, find another hobby.

The author of the books I read doesn't wear any shoes. Does that count?

Sounds like one of the Paladin Press guys.

Cody Lundin. He's like the polar opposite of those guys.

I hope so. Ever been to one of the Soldier of Fortune conventions here in Las Vegas? There used to be this one booth peddling books that had so many authors missing so many pieces between them that they could've built a new guy from all the castoffs.


I stopped going to the local gun shows a while ago. Apart from having everything except guns, the teabagger/doomsday prepper crowd just got a little too derpy for my tastes.
 
2013-03-12 01:32:45 AM
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2013-03-12 01:36:24 AM
Live by the gun or die by the gun.

Live by the sword or swallow the sword.

Live by the pineapple or insert it rectally.

Live by the 336 page survival manual, or use 2 brain cells and don't read the 336 page survival manual, and still live.

Live by the National Rife Association, die by the National Rectum Assaulters.

Live by the Wings song "Live and Let Die", Die by the Guns 'N Roses version.
 
2013-03-12 01:49:36 AM
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2013-03-12 01:56:01 AM
"when you are traveling across country what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?"

Waffle House and Motel 6. What is this guy on?
 
2013-03-12 02:00:49 AM

jaytkay: The_Sponge: what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

I look for Martin Luther King Blvd......and then I try to get away from that street as quickly as possible.

I wonder why gun enthusiasts have a reputation as frightened bedwetters?


I wonder why pussified gun grabbers can't take a joke.
 
2013-03-12 02:16:36 AM

Giltric: Cpl.D: DC banned pistols, but there was still tons of pistol based gun crime. Wanna know why? Not that gun control don't work. It's that it don't work when you're the only one doin' it. Guns don't respect boundaries. You ain't gonna bail out a sinking ship by bailing alone from the one end.

If it was easier to get a gun outside of DC wouldn't the rate of crime be higher where guns are readily available?


Only if you assume that crime follows the guns instead of the other way around.

It's easier to get a gun outside DC...but still easier to get drugs, whores, stolen property, and do other crime-related deeds INSIDE DC. So you go outside the city to buy your guns, and then go back inside to do whatever it is you needed  a gun for. If you need to shoot a rival crack dealer, but you need to go to Hagerstown to buy a Glock to shoot him with, you can't exactly invite him over to Hagerstown with you so you can kill him, you know? You're going to have to drive back once you've got the weapon.

So the crime rate in DC, despite their strict gun control laws, isn't necessarily going to go down. It might even go up, what with crazy people doing all that extra traveling.
 
2013-03-12 02:30:55 AM

Cpl.D: Giltric: Cpl.D: DC banned pistols, but there was still tons of pistol based gun crime. Wanna know why? Not that gun control don't work. It's that it don't work when you're the only one doin' it. Guns don't respect boundaries. You ain't gonna bail out a sinking ship by bailing alone from the one end.

If it was easier to get a gun outside of DC wouldn't the rate of crime be higher where guns are readily available?

If I was looking to commit crimes with a gun, I'd do it where there was less competition, but that's me. And Jack.

Lemmie boil it down for ya. Let's say we implement gun control. Let's say we do it reasonably and efficiently. And let's say it doesn't work at all. You know what happens? We undo it. That simple. Poof, gone. Load up thirty rounds of hydroshocks and hide a spare mag in your baby's diaper. Nothing changes! The alternative? Let's say we don't do gun control, and it doesn't work. Much like what we're seeing now. Now, since it doesn't work we... undo it? What would you suggest beyond "No gun control?"


You didn't answer his question as to why there was no effect on crime in all these cities that have made guns more difficult for legal citizens to get. Thats because gun control and assault weapons bans are failed policies that don't have an impact on crime. A negative impact, that is, it seems more likely that they might actually increase crime in some areas. It certainly hasn't had any positive effect in Mexico... Chicago... Oakland...

As to your idea about "trying" gun control, we have with the 1994-2004 Assault weapons ban. It had no effect on national crime when it was implemented and it had no effect on crime when it lapsed.

www.usnews.com
I've heard it said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

Ok then. You were proposing that exactly. Now that you know better hopefully you'll start kicking some cash to the NRA.

The way we handle guns in this country has failed.  These shootings are more than likely going to become more numerous as time goes by.  It needs to be fixed.  Gun control isn't gonna fix it.  Nobody's saying it would.

Wait.. so we're just supposed to create millions of criminals out of law abiding citizens overnight by passing gun control laws and making certain weapons illegal... because it won't do anything? Thanks but I'll pass.

Also, the rate of mass shootings peaked about 1980 and has remained steady since.

I don't wanna disarm you.  Obama don't wanna disarm you.  We just want less dead kids.  Are you followin' me here?  Are we tracking?

You mean like dead kids at Columbine that were killed during the last AWB? Like the ones that Cho Killed at VA tech with legal 10 round magazines? Do you really think that Lanza needed a "specialized" weapon to kill a bunch of children locked in a room? Massacring children isnt something that's held to be very difficult, its just so morally repugnant that it hadn't been done before.  Well, except for the Bath school mass murder... which was a bomb attack...
 
2013-03-12 02:31:36 AM
I can't even remember what I came to say after reading this stream of herpaderp.  Sorry.
 
2013-03-12 02:47:11 AM

syrynxx: I can't even remember what I came to say after reading this stream of herpaderp.  Sorry.


I find that's fairly common... wait, this one isn't on the Politics Tab?
 
2013-03-12 07:29:25 AM

CuttySupreme: MylesHeartVodak: As an avid sports shooter (not a hunter) Wayne LaPierre was the sole reason that I let 20 years of NRA membership lapse.  This was 5-6 years ago, I couldn't take this jackass telling me how to vote to support HIS personal beliefs, nothing more.  That and the magazines were so shiatty, they weren't even worth half of the membership fee.  Once upon a time, the benefits were worth the price alone.  Then the price was to help support the cause.  Later, I didn't want to support HIS personal causes.

Like the NRA or not, they're the only organization powerful enough to protect our gun rights.


That may be true, but if they want to keep that power they should drop the LaPIerre style bullshiat politics and stick to gun issues, and not pretend they are fighting for gun rights as a thin guise to propagandize for the GOP.

I am really torn on whether to renew my membership or not.  I would like to have somebody powerful filing lawsuits and such on behalf of gun rights, but I don't need them to be political shills for the GOP either.
 
2013-03-12 07:36:27 AM

Cpl.D: Lemmie boil it down for ya. Let's say we implement gun control. Let's say we do it reasonably and efficiently. And let's say it doesn't work at all. You know what happens? We undo it. That simple. Poof, gone. Load up thirty rounds of hydroshocks and hide a spare mag in your baby's diaper. Nothing changes! The alternative? Let's say we don't do gun control, and it doesn't work. Much like what we're seeing now. Now, since it doesn't work we... undo it? What would you suggest beyond "No gun control?"


Just like, poof!, we have recognized the drug war doesn't work and it's gone now.
 
2013-03-12 09:30:12 AM

manimal2878: That may be true, but if they want to keep that power they should drop the LaPIerre style bullshiat politics and stick to gun issues


To be fair, there isn't much they can do.
Our opponents in this fight are very good at playing the media. They've taking the "would you like fewer rights and less stuff?" tact for a very successful run. They actively go after gun rights and then complain when a gun rights organization supports *gasp* their opponents!

Gun ban supporters will trash talk whoever you put up as the face of the cause because they are more interested in tearing down the NRA than having any discussions.  The best you can do is remain calm, speak your mind clearly, and try not to get wrapped up in the hyperbole.

So far the NRA has kept to that plan.

/Pierre pens a book to gun owners about how to respond to hypothetical scenarios.
/Because its not like gun owners don't talk about such things all the farking time...
/Gets slammed for being an extreme survivalist, not being extreme survivalist enough.
/Some folks just can't be pleased.
 
2013-03-12 10:32:53 AM

Rapmaster2000: Wayne LaPierre is a front by the Obama junta to make patriotic Americans look crazy.  You can tell by his French name.  The regime tripped up on that one.  I am not fooled.

Ever vigilant.


And speaking of mindless Hollywood cocksuckers, before Charlton Heston became President of these dickless lunatics in the NRA, they had a different guy. He's still one of their major spokesmen, and his name is Wayne LaPierre. Doesn't that sound a bit fruitty to you? "Hi, I'm Wayne, I'm a gun person. Bang bang!" You know what this guy's name ought to be? Biff Webster. Spud Crowley, a man's name! Chuck Steak! -- George Carlin
 
2013-03-12 11:45:46 AM

manimal2878: That may be true, but if they want to keep that power they should drop the LaPIerre style bullshiat politics and stick to gun issues, and not pretend they are fighting for gun rights as a thin guise to propagandize for the GOP.

I am really torn on whether to renew my membership or not. I would like to have somebody powerful filing lawsuits and such on behalf of gun rights, but I don't need them to be political shills for the GOP either.


My dad dropped his membership for the same reason (before I was old enough to be eligible) and was sending his money to the American Hunters and Shooters Association, but apparently he was the only one, because they've since shut down. If you're a hunter primarily, then I'd look at something like Ducks Unlimited, Whitetails Unlimited, or whatever it is that you hunt. There's probably a conservation group out there for it that could use your support on stuff like increasing habitat, common sense hunting regulation, and the what have ya.
 
2013-03-12 12:32:35 PM

The_Sponge: jaytkay: The_Sponge: what do you look for when pulling off the interstate in an unfamiliar city?

I look for Martin Luther King Blvd......and then I try to get away from that street as quickly as possible.

I wonder why gun enthusiasts have a reputation as frightened bedwetters?

I wonder why pussified gun grabbers can't take a joke.


Is the entirety of the joke "Low-income black people are dangerous," or is there some subtlety that's eluding us?
 
2013-03-12 04:43:05 PM

mysticcat: I especially like the part that warns against vaccinations, which are actually the government's way of injecting tracking devices into your children.


And I specifically requested the injection of a microscopic Raquel Welch to toss me off from the inside.  Bait and Switch is what I call that!
 
2013-03-12 04:57:56 PM

enik: I'd rather have Wayne LaPierre as a neighbor when the shiat goes down than any of you neckbearded beta males. That six pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon in your fridge won't go very far.


Alternatively, we could have a small group of cooperative neighbors helping protect and grow food for each other, instead of a motley collection  of paranoiac, violent individualists, such as we have in the US even without a Black Swan event rodgering us in the chili sluice.  If you hope to be the only survivor of a Raft of the Medusa reenactment in the event of major social adversity, you're probably going to have a very bad time.
 
2013-03-12 05:10:49 PM
NRA : Gun rights :: PETA : Animal rights
 
2013-03-12 05:17:40 PM

The_Sponge: WordyGrrl: Because these nutcases always say "Law enforcement will be the first to go."


It was one of the first things to go right after Hurricane Katrina.


Katrina was a worst case scenario all the way around. Law enforcement was vastly outnumbered by opportunistic jackasses (who most likely already had criminal tendencies) jumping on the chance to loot electronics and jewelry instead of legitimate survival supplies like food and water.

/Legitimate survival supplies may refer to blue plastic tubs full of Heineken.
 
2013-03-12 05:45:35 PM

way south: and try not to get wrapped up in the hyperbole.

So far the NRA has kept to that plan.


Have you read an issue of america rifleman in the last few years?  It is all hyperbole all the time, with an article or two thrown in on historic guns.
 
2013-03-12 06:43:50 PM

cowgirl toffee: Does it give tips on how to drink your own pee?


Aim genitals at mouth. Open mouth.
 
2013-03-12 11:08:31 PM

The_Sponge: uncleacid: Miss me yet?

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I remember the Fark thread that came up after he passed away.....some idiots acted like some evil dictator had just died.


One right wing authoritarian is much like another.
 
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