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(Washington Post)   Study shows Americans want Socialized medicine, but they're just too stupid to realize it   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 208
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2013-03-11 03:50:09 PM  
stupid = "bootstrappy"?
 
2013-03-11 03:58:15 PM  
Because people in this country are indoctrinated with the idea that anything with the word "socialist" in the name is automatically evil.
 
2013-03-11 03:58:32 PM  
Any marketing firm can tell you, people have no freaking clue what they really want.

If I asked people what kind of coffee they like, 95% would say "a rich hearty brew".  When in reality most people like weak milky coffee.
 
2013-03-11 04:03:07 PM  

EvilEgg: Any marketing firm can tell you, people have no freaking clue what they really want.


www.hwdyk.com 

So you want a realistic down-to-earth show that's completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots?
 
2013-03-11 04:15:44 PM  

EvilEgg: Any marketing firm can tell you, people have no freaking clue what they really want.

If I asked people what kind of coffee they like, 95% would say "a rich hearty brew".  When in reality most people like weak milky coffee.



What consumers think they want.

onscreencars.com
 
2013-03-11 04:46:19 PM  
That's pretty much a template sentence for any number of things. Goes like this:

Study shows Americans want __________________, but they're just too stupid [to realize it].
 
2013-03-11 04:48:11 PM  
Q. You found that some participants seemed motivated to choose expensive care "out of spite," because they were antagonistic toward their insurance company. What's going on there?
A.
There was an almost vengeful attitude toward insurance companies, the idea that "I've been paying in, and now I'm going to get what I'm owed," or "I'm going to get them back for all the money I've paid in all these years."

ya think?
 
2013-03-11 04:49:18 PM  

Babwa Wawa: What consumers think they want.


onscreencars.com

What consumers actually want.

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2013-03-11 04:49:47 PM  
If you tell people you are giving away "free" dog shiat there would be a line outside your door.
 
2013-03-11 04:50:03 PM  
media.npr.org
 
2013-03-11 04:50:17 PM  
uh no I don't. I like the treatments I am receiving now-that they do not have in other countries because of socialize medicine. BUT THANKS.
 
2013-03-11 04:50:45 PM  
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2013-03-11 04:50:46 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: uh no I don't. I like the treatments I am receiving now-that they do not have in other countries because of socialize medicine. BUT THANKS.


Name one.
 
2013-03-11 04:50:48 PM  
The conservative base is willfully ignorant.
 
2013-03-11 04:50:57 PM  
I don't want some government bureaucrat getting between me and the actuaries at Blue Cross Blue Shield!
 
2013-03-11 04:52:36 PM  
We don't want the government telling us when, where, why and how much our healthcare is going to cost, we want to get it wherever we want and as cheap as possible, from whoever, and we'll pay for it ourselves. Each of us. Of course we'd all pay our fair share, that goes without saying. In other words, Freedomized Medicine. You commies will never understand that.
 
2013-03-11 04:53:13 PM  

timujin: Because people in this country are indoctrinated with the idea that anything with the word "socialist" in the name is automatically evil.


This. Red Scare and J.R. Hoover.
 
2013-03-11 04:53:21 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I don't want some government bureaucrat getting between me and the actuaries at Blue Cross Blue Shield!


I have them as my insurance. My wife has been denied for things so many times that multiple doctors have said she needs that I often wonder what's the point. When she lost her job because of medical issues she basically picked up a new, unpaid job fighting with BCBS on the phone all day. Seriously, she knows so much about how to cut red tape that she should have a paid job as a patient advocate.
 
2013-03-11 04:54:08 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Cup_O_Jo: uh no I don't. I like the treatments I am receiving now-that they do not have in other countries because of socialize medicine. BUT THANKS.

Name one.


perasuction
 
2013-03-11 04:54:18 PM  
This is why the GOP is the definition of economic waste.

When people are asked if they like the various bits of  ACA they say yes.

However the GOP spent a fortune getting Frank Luntz how to make people hate it - they then spent an even bigger fortune to spread that message.

It's spending money to persuade people to chose an option they like less. Waste.
 
2013-03-11 04:56:42 PM  
My wife's been in the hospital since Thursday, running up an enormous bill, so I am not getting a kick out of any of this.
 
2013-03-11 04:56:53 PM  

encyclopediaplushuman: timujin: Because people in this country are indoctrinated with the idea that anything with the word "socialist" in the name is automatically evil.

This. Red Scare and J.R. Hoover.


J.R. Hoover? Didn't someone shoot him?
 
2013-03-11 04:57:29 PM  

zarberg: Rapmaster2000: I don't want some government bureaucrat getting between me and the actuaries at Blue Cross Blue Shield!

I have them as my insurance. My wife has been denied for things so many times that multiple doctors have said she needs that I often wonder what's the point. When she lost her job because of medical issues she basically picked up a new, unpaid job fighting with BCBS on the phone all day. Seriously, she knows so much about how to cut red tape that she should have a paid job as a patient advocate.


Well, just you wait until Fartbamacare gets going.  It will be just like that, but much worse.  Just look at the people in Canada.  They want to have the style of medical insurance that America has, but the Queen rules over them with an iron fist and makes them get Government Medicine.    Now, America will be just as bad as Canada who are all 4 foot tall and die when they are 37.
 
2013-03-11 04:57:44 PM  

timujin: encyclopediaplushuman: timujin: Because people in this country are indoctrinated with the idea that anything with the word "socialist" in the name is automatically evil.

This. Red Scare and J.R. Hoover.

J.R. Hoover? Didn't someone shoot him?


No, JR Hoover invented the Dyson.
 
2013-03-11 04:58:05 PM  
Was complaining about this to my mother today.  I had the "audacity" to go to the ER when I was away from home, and my insurance doesn't cover it.  Now I have a bill for $1200 where they did absolutely nothing to me except give me an EKG for an hour and sent me home to "follow up with my doctor".  Absolutely ridiculous that illness or accidents can bankrupt people even when they have health insurance and do everything right.
 
2013-03-11 04:58:08 PM  
Next they'll want some kind of retirement socialist security.
 
2013-03-11 04:58:28 PM  

timujin: encyclopediaplushuman: timujin: Because people in this country are indoctrinated with the idea that anything with the word "socialist" in the name is automatically evil.

This. Red Scare and J.R. Hoover.

J.R. Hoover? Didn't someone shoot him?


You will never get your hands on Hoover Oil!  I will see to that!
 
2013-03-11 04:59:14 PM  
"Americans," subby?

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2013-03-11 04:59:37 PM  

Rapmaster2000: zarberg: Rapmaster2000: I don't want some government bureaucrat getting between me and the actuaries at Blue Cross Blue Shield!

I have them as my insurance. My wife has been denied for things so many times that multiple doctors have said she needs that I often wonder what's the point. When she lost her job because of medical issues she basically picked up a new, unpaid job fighting with BCBS on the phone all day. Seriously, she knows so much about how to cut red tape that she should have a paid job as a patient advocate.

Well, just you wait until Fartbamacare gets going.  It will be just like that, but much worse.  Just look at the people in Canada.  They want to have the style of medical insurance that America has, but the Queen rules over them with an iron fist and makes them get Government Medicine.    Now, America will be just as bad as Canada who are all 4 foot tall and die when they are 37.


Actually we're both pretty excited about the pre-existing condition part kicking in on Jan 1, 2014. It means I'll actually be able to look for a new job.
 
2013-03-11 05:00:01 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: uh no I don't. I like the treatments I am receiving paid for by society, not me because I'm on disability now-that they do not have in other countries because of socialize medicine


You left out the part where your medical treatments are paid for by the rest of us.  So really you're just telling the rest of us "I don't want you guys to pay for my medical treatments this way, I want you to pay for my medical treatments that way."

Nice.
 
2013-03-11 05:00:10 PM  

ChrisDe: Next they'll want some kind of retirement socialist security.


And to maintain a standing army for the common defense.
 
2013-03-11 05:01:46 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Cup_O_Jo: uh no I don't. I like the treatments I am receiving now-that they do not have in other countries because of socialize medicine. BUT THANKS.

Name one.


The walletectomy?
 
2013-03-11 05:01:49 PM  
media.screened.com
In Socialist Canada, all citizens are forced to wear a uniform composed of a denim jacket and pants and haircuts are so expensive that citizens can only afford to get the front half cut.
 
2013-03-11 05:02:12 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Cup_O_Jo: uh no I don't. I like the treatments I am receiving now-that they do not have in other countries because of socialize medicine. BUT THANKS.

Name one.



Evidently, treatment for dementia.
 
2013-03-11 05:02:12 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: uh no I don't. I like the treatments I am receiving now-that they do not have in other countries because of socialize medicine. BUT THANKS.


What treatments, exactly?  Just out of curiosity.
 
2013-03-11 05:02:39 PM  

zarberg: Rapmaster2000: zarberg: Rapmaster2000: I don't want some government bureaucrat getting between me and the actuaries at Blue Cross Blue Shield!

I have them as my insurance. My wife has been denied for things so many times that multiple doctors have said she needs that I often wonder what's the point. When she lost her job because of medical issues she basically picked up a new, unpaid job fighting with BCBS on the phone all day. Seriously, she knows so much about how to cut red tape that she should have a paid job as a patient advocate.

Well, just you wait until Fartbamacare gets going.  It will be just like that, but much worse.  Just look at the people in Canada.  They want to have the style of medical insurance that America has, but the Queen rules over them with an iron fist and makes them get Government Medicine.    Now, America will be just as bad as Canada who are all 4 foot tall and die when they are 37.

Actually we're both pretty excited about the pre-existing condition part kicking in on Jan 1, 2014. It means I'll actually be able to look for a new job.


Damn you, Obama and your job destroying ways!
 
2013-03-11 05:03:08 PM  

lennavan: Cup_O_Jo: uh no I don't. I like the treatments I am receiving paid for by society, not me because I'm on disability now-that they do not have in other countries because of socialize medicine

You left out the part where your medical treatments are paid for by the rest of us.  So really you're just telling the rest of us "I don't want you guys to pay for my medical treatments this way, I want you to pay for my medical treatments that way."

Nice.


From her bio: " Unemployment extension= are you an ABLE bodied person? I wish I was. There is no excuse if all your parts work to not be employed."

Yes, except for that part where we literally don't have enough jobs for the people who want them, much less for the supposedly lazy people who don't.

Hey, Jo, why not be a writer or do data entry? You can obviously type. Why don't you get a job?

/I don't really think that, but it irritates me when people are hypocrites.
 
2013-03-11 05:03:57 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Cup_O_Jo: uh no I don't. I like the treatments I am receiving now-that they do not have in other countries because of socialize medicine. BUT THANKS.

Name one.


Almost all of them for MS.
Multiple Sclerosis has several drugs to slow down the progression. IF TAKEN EARLY. In the Uk however, you can not get these drugs till you are almost wheelchair bound-which defeats the purpose of slowing progression. The "allowances are different" So ok technically they have the drug. Yet, you can't be approved to use the drug till the drug would be pointless to use. Then there is my biggest beef which is in America if I have an exacerbation I call the doctor-he sees me within 48 hours and usually gives me an emergency steroid treatment. All my MS friends in the UK and Canada have to wait weeks (until the disability could be permanent) before they can get in to see a doctor. Almost never have steroids. So MS as a disease progresses further in those countries. Treatment for MS must be done in a timely manner. It never is there.
Terrifies me.
 
2013-03-11 05:04:44 PM  

bborchar: Was complaining about this to my mother today.  I had the "audacity" to go to the ER when I was away from home, and my insurance doesn't cover it.  Now I have a bill for $1200 where they did absolutely nothing to me except give me an EKG for an hour and sent me home to "follow up with my doctor".  Absolutely ridiculous that illness or accidents can bankrupt people even when they have health insurance and do everything right.


If you knew your insurance would not cover it, why not skip the ER and go to an immediate care clinic or call a nurse's line or try to get a hold of your family care doctor? You cannot complain about something when you knew it wouldn't be covered. Saved me a lot of dough over the years to directly call a nurse's line or my actual doctor before I rushed to the ER. Just sayin'.
 
2013-03-11 05:05:45 PM  

k1j2b3: bborchar: Was complaining about this to my mother today.  I had the "audacity" to go to the ER when I was away from home, and my insurance doesn't cover it.  Now I have a bill for $1200 where they did absolutely nothing to me except give me an EKG for an hour and sent me home to "follow up with my doctor".  Absolutely ridiculous that illness or accidents can bankrupt people even when they have health insurance and do everything right.

If you knew your insurance would not cover it, why not skip the ER and go to an immediate care clinic or call a nurse's line or try to get a hold of your family care doctor? You cannot complain about something when you knew it wouldn't be covered. Saved me a lot of dough over the years to directly call a nurse's line or my actual doctor before I rushed to the ER. Just sayin'.


Yeah, I bet "just skip the emergency room" works all the time.
 
2013-03-11 05:06:03 PM  
I love all the parts of the Obamacare reform bill, except the "Obama" part!
 
2013-03-11 05:06:15 PM  
Studies show Americans want something as long as someone else is paying for it.
 
2013-03-11 05:07:41 PM  
Actually we just want whites to have healthcare. The best way to do that at the moment is with company provided private insurance.
 
2013-03-11 05:07:51 PM  
Tigger:
When people are asked if they like the various bits of  ACA they say yes.

However the GOP spent a fortune getting Frank Luntz how to make people hate it - they then spent an even bigger fortune to spread that message.


This is some kind of mental gerrymandering.
 
2013-03-11 05:09:28 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: Epoch_Zero: Cup_O_Jo: uh no I don't. I like the treatments I am receiving now-that they do not have in other countries because of socialize medicine. BUT THANKS.

Name one.

Almost all of them for MS.
Multiple Sclerosis has several drugs to slow down the progression. IF TAKEN EARLY. In the Uk however, you can not get these drugs till you are almost wheelchair bound-which defeats the purpose of slowing progression. The "allowances are different" So ok technically they have the drug. Yet, you can't be approved to use the drug till the drug would be pointless to use. Then there is my biggest beef which is in America if I have an exacerbation I call the doctor-he sees me within 48 hours and usually gives me an emergency steroid treatment. All my MS friends in the UK and Canada have to wait weeks (until the disability could be permanent) before they can get in to see a doctor. Almost never have steroids. So MS as a disease progresses further in those countries. Treatment for MS must be done in a timely manner. It never is there.
Terrifies me.


You are on disability. Your health care is paid for by the state through the taxes the rest of us Farkers pay. Maybe for a second you should consider that ALL OF OUR HEALTHCARE should be covered the way yours is. You're not special. Why should get you get special treatment? The solution is to make sure everyone gets the same treatment.

And by the way, millions of Americans who have had to declare bankruptcy after losing everything to a catastrophic illness would much, much rather we do things the Canadian way.
 
2013-03-11 05:09:44 PM  
Too stupid, subby?  What gave us away?  Was it Mother Snookie?  Ambassador Rodman?  The popularity of the McRib?
 
2013-03-11 05:11:54 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I love all the parts of the Obamacare reform bill, except the "Obama" part!


and the part where everyone's insurance premiums go up.
 
2013-03-11 05:14:17 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: uh no I don't. I like the treatments I am receiving now-that they do not have in other countries because of socialize medicine. BUT THANKS.


It's already socialized for you. You got yours though, amirite?

Anyway, we explained long ago that we'll be dragging conservatives in to the future kicking and screaming like we always do. Not only will they be better off for it, they'll take credit for it in a few years.
 
2013-03-11 05:14:28 PM  

k1j2b3: bborchar: Was complaining about this to my mother today.  I had the "audacity" to go to the ER when I was away from home, and my insurance doesn't cover it.  Now I have a bill for $1200 where they did absolutely nothing to me except give me an EKG for an hour and sent me home to "follow up with my doctor".  Absolutely ridiculous that illness or accidents can bankrupt people even when they have health insurance and do everything right.

If you knew your insurance would not cover it, why not skip the ER and go to an immediate care clinic or call a nurse's line or try to get a hold of your family care doctor? You cannot complain about something when you knew it wouldn't be covered. Saved me a lot of dough over the years to directly call a nurse's line or my actual doctor before I rushed to the ER. Just sayin'.


If the poster received an EKG, I'm guessing there was a suspected cardiac event in progress. Do you seriously expect someone to go through all that nonsense when he thinks his heart isn't working right?
 
2013-03-11 05:14:59 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: Epoch_Zero: Cup_O_Jo: uh no I don't. I like the treatments I am receiving now-that they do not have in other countries because of socialize medicine. BUT THANKS.

Name one.

Almost all of them for MS.
Multiple Sclerosis has several drugs to slow down the progression. IF TAKEN EARLY. In the Uk however, you can not get these drugs till you are almost wheelchair bound-which defeats the purpose of slowing progression. The "allowances are different" So ok technically they have the drug. Yet, you can't be approved to use the drug till the drug would be pointless to use. Then there is my biggest beef which is in America if I have an exacerbation I call the doctor-he sees me within 48 hours and usually gives me an emergency steroid treatment. All my MS friends in the UK and Canada have to wait weeks (until the disability could be permanent) before they can get in to see a doctor. Almost never have steroids. So MS as a disease progresses further in those countries. Treatment for MS must be done in a timely manner. It never is there.
Terrifies me.


Weird.  A search for "multiple sclerosis treatment issues" (or problems), "issues getting multiple sclerosis drugs in the UK" (or problems) doesn't bring anything up.  However, anecdotal evidence is the best kind, right?
 
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