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(Yahoo)   Man's reaction to being arrested inside his own building for "loitering" by the NYPD sums up why keeping your civil rights is so hard: "I don't want to be stopped," he said. "But I also don't {it} to happen to my family"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 123
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2013-03-11 03:22:30 PM
But I also don't {it} to happen to my family

So... you changed the quote from "But I also don't want something bad to happen to my family " to one that makes no sense? Good work, subtard.
 
2013-03-11 03:26:16 PM

timujin: But I also don't {it} to happen to my family

So... you changed the quote from "But I also don't want something bad to happen to my family " to one that makes no sense? Good work, subtard.


250 char limit, same basic idea.  in context, he makes it clear he  wants the patrols because they make his building safe, but he also doesn't want his family hasseled by the same cops (the "something bad to happens" he means).   a Variant of NIMBY thinking
 
2013-03-11 03:29:35 PM

Magorn: timujin: But I also don't {it} to happen to my family

So... you changed the quote from "But I also don't want something bad to happen to my family " to one that makes no sense? Good work, subtard.

250 char limit, same basic idea.  in context, he makes it clear he  wants the patrols because they make his building safe, but he also doesn't want his family hasseled by the same cops (the "something bad to happens" he means).   a Variant of NIMBY thinking


No, in context the "something bad" is his family being a victim of crime, if you read the paragraph right before that one
 
2013-03-11 03:40:58 PM
"It's good for us. It's great. We love it. Otherwise, people are in the hallways all the time up to no good," 77-year-old Courtney Campbell said, recalling a time when people would urinate in her hall.

But it's still ok to take a dump in the stairwell?  Right?  Hello?
 
2013-03-11 03:50:45 PM

Magorn: timujin: But I also don't {it} to happen to my family

So... you changed the quote from "But I also don't want something bad to happen to my family " to one that makes no sense? Good work, subtard.

250 char limit, same basic idea.  in context, he makes it clear he  wants the patrols because they make his building safe, but he also doesn't want his family hasseled by the same cops (the "something bad to happens" he means).   a Variant of NIMBY thinking


The actual quote would have made it 234 characters.

Man's reaction to being arrested inside his own building for "loitering" by the NYPD sums up why keeping your civil rights is so hard: "I don't want to be stopped," he said. "But I also don't want something bad to happen to my family"
 
2013-03-11 03:52:32 PM
Maybe the terrorists *have* won.
 
2013-03-11 03:53:23 PM
SWB?

/standing while black
 
2013-03-11 03:53:30 PM
"We don't feel safe, but it's because of the police,"

This is becoming the norm.
 
2013-03-11 03:53:59 PM
So if I don't really like my family that much, I should send them there.

Good to know...
 
2013-03-11 03:54:10 PM
Subby,

detained/questioned arrested
 
2013-03-11 03:54:25 PM
Man, Simon Phoenix has really let himself go.
 
2013-03-11 03:55:29 PM
Papers please
 
2013-03-11 03:55:35 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: "We don't feel safe, but it's because of the police,"

This is becoming the norm.


I'm pretty sure that for people of a darker hue, it's always been the norm.
 
2013-03-11 03:55:52 PM
Is "loitering" NYPD code for "black guy standing around not doing anything otherwise illegal"?
 
2013-03-11 03:55:55 PM

Al_Ed: Maybe the terrorists *have* won.


They did and they are currently in control of congress.
 
2013-03-11 03:56:01 PM
 
2013-03-11 03:59:20 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: Man, Simon Phoenix has really let himself go.


Hey, buddy, YOU try getting put back together after being cryogenically flash-frozen and then shattered.  Let's see how good-looking YOU turn out.
 
2013-03-11 03:59:35 PM
That's the bloomberg way, damn it! Shut up & take what's good for you.

NYC - suck city. Nuke it.
 
2013-03-11 04:00:02 PM

Spade: Is "loitering" NYPD code for "black guy standing around not doing anything otherwise illegal"?


If by NYPD you mean all police forces and by black guy you mean anybody who isn't "normal"... Then yes.
 
2013-03-11 04:00:05 PM
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Seriously, what happens when the criminals figure out 'huh- the cops don't patrol in the buildings at night.'?
 
2013-03-11 04:02:27 PM

Magorn: timujin: But I also don't {it} to happen to my family

So... you changed the quote from "But I also don't want something bad to happen to my family " to one that makes no sense? Good work, subtard.

250 char limit, same basic idea.  in context, he makes it clear he  wants the patrols because they make his building safe, but he also doesn't want his family hasseled by the same cops (the "something bad to happens" he means).   a Variant of NIMBY thinking


But you also the verb.
 
2013-03-11 04:03:11 PM
Subtard doesnt understand his own submission.
 
2013-03-11 04:04:32 PM
Spade: Is "loitering" NYPD code for "black guy standing around not doing anything otherwise illegal"?

s/black guy/anyone we don't like the look of/

For example
A white guy wearing a trench coat on a bright sunny day.
Asian guys changing their windshield wipers in a pep boys parking lot
Hispanic guys in a low rider (even if the low rider happens to be moving at the time)
A white guy sitting in an unmarked van, down by the river

etc
 
2013-03-11 04:04:48 PM
 
2013-03-11 04:05:33 PM
If it's so dangerous at their homes in the city, why don't they just suck it up and stay in their summer villas in the country year 'round?
 
2013-03-11 04:07:27 PM
i131.photobucket.com

Well now. It's about time the rest of you slackers got a taste of the police state that California has already become. Welcome to your future, you earned it by allowing that piece of sh*t Cheney to steal the elections and shove America so far right that it may never recover its balance. Screw you guys, I'm going to Europe once I finish my degree.

/fuX0r the police
 
2013-03-11 04:08:42 PM
Also I wonder, since COPS is still in production, how many seemingly random stops result in nothing that's worthy to be shown. Because right now, what gets shown on the show makes them look like damn prophets.

// in a recent episode, a kid gets stopped for squealing tires around a corner. The cop is about to let him go when the kid starts acting all weird and shiat (the cop had handed him back his license, but the kid starts insisting that he had handed the cop his whole wallet (he hadn't)).

End result, drunk test, failed :P

I'm like kid, he was about to let your ass go and you had to start acting dumb.
 
2013-03-11 04:08:50 PM
And then they wonder why people live in the suburbs.  I can have more than 10 cars parked for free around my house and an officer on patrol might drive past every few months.  The main noisy person nearby just moved away so the loudest things that I hear in the morning are some woodpeckers.
 
2013-03-11 04:09:07 PM

Stephen_Falken: [i131.photobucket.com image 200x309]

Well now. It's about time the rest of you slackers got a taste of the police state that California has already become. Welcome to your future, you earned it by allowing that piece of sh*t Cheney to steal the elections and shove America so far right that it may never recover its balance. Screw you guys, I'm going to Europe once I finish my degree.

/fuX0r the police


Yeah....New York City isn't exactly run by the Republican Party, but know your enemy, etc...
 
2013-03-11 04:10:11 PM

Stephen_Falken: [i131.photobucket.com image 200x309]

Well now. It's about time the rest of you slackers got a taste of the police state that California has already become. Welcome to your future, you earned it by allowing that piece of sh*t Cheney to steal the elections and shove America so far right that it may never recover its balance. Screw you guys, I'm going to Europe once I finish my degree.

/fuX0r the police


/hot
 
2013-03-11 04:10:14 PM

kmmontandon: people of a darker hue


I think you mean Lightness; or possibly Saturation.
 
2013-03-11 04:10:50 PM

Al_Ed: Maybe the terrorists *have* won.


Maybe?
 
2013-03-11 04:10:58 PM

ciberido: Bareefer Obonghit: Man, Simon Phoenix has really let himself go.

Hey, buddy, YOU try getting put back together after being cryogenically flash-frozen and then shattered.  Let's see how good-looking YOU turn out.


Woah, who didn't wash  yourthree seashells this morning?
 
2013-03-11 04:11:27 PM
LWB??
 
2013-03-11 04:11:34 PM

blatz514: "It's good for us. It's great. We love it. Otherwise, people are in the hallways all the time up to no good," 77-year-old Courtney Campbell said, recalling a time when people would urinate in her hall.

But it's still ok to take a dump in the stairwell?  Right?  Hello?


Loitering, i.e. lingering without a purpose.
So, if you go in to take a dump in the stairwell, that would not be loitering since you have a purpose. If that helps...
 
2013-03-11 04:11:47 PM
The answer here is obvious: More guns will make the place safer.
 
2013-03-11 04:12:02 PM

YixilTesiphon: Stephen_Falken: [i131.photobucket.com image 200x309]

Well now. It's about time the rest of you slackers got a taste of the police state that California has already become. Welcome to your future, you earned it by allowing that piece of sh*t Cheney to steal the elections and shove America so far right that it may never recover its balance. Screw you guys, I'm going to Europe once I finish my degree.

/fuX0r the police

Yeah....New York City isn't exactly run by the Republican Party, but know your enemy, etc...


You're right. In this case, it's not Republicanism that's the problem...it's pure authoritarianism.
 
2013-03-11 04:12:23 PM

Stephen_Falken: [i131.photobucket.com image 200x309]

Well now. It's about time the rest of you slackers got a taste of the police state that California has already become. Welcome to your future, you earned it by allowing that piece of sh*t Cheney to steal the elections and shove America so far right that it may never recover its balance. Screw you guys, I'm going to Europe once I finish my degree.

/fuX0r the police


sounds like we won't lose much.
 
2013-03-11 04:13:34 PM
Somebody/Anybody - read this:

Well now. It's about time the rest of you slackers got a taste of the police state that California has already become. Welcome to your future, you earned it by allowing that piece of sh*t Cheney to steal the elections and shove America so far right that it may never recover its balance. Screw you guys, I'm going to Europe once I finish my degree.

Don't finish the degree, you won't need it. Dishwashers can work with undergraduate work. Cheney? Really?
 
2013-03-11 04:17:23 PM
It might be the only program of its kind but police enter private gated apartment complexes all the time where I live.
 
2013-03-11 04:18:24 PM
img833.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-11 04:18:54 PM
It's a metaphor! They speak in metaphors!
 
2013-03-11 04:20:42 PM
, Ligon sent her teenage son to the corner store get ketchup for the fries she was making for dinner. He didn't return.

Either get Heinz, or don't come home son.
 
2013-03-11 04:21:28 PM
I know one thing about the law: do not fark with Shira Scheindlin.

// no relation to "Judge Judy" Scheindlin, though they're both scary as hell
 
2013-03-11 04:22:18 PM
"if she hadn't come downstairs to identify him he would've been arrested on a trespassing charge."

So:

not arrested
not loitering

Anything else you'd care to share with us, subby?
 
2013-03-11 04:22:42 PM

lordargent: Spade: Is "loitering" NYPD code for "black guy standing around not doing anything otherwise illegal"?

s/black guy/anyone we don't like the look of/

For example
A white guy wearing a trench coat on a bright sunny day.
Asian guys changing their windshield wipers in a pep boys parking lot
Hispanic guys in a low rider (even if the low rider happens to be moving at the time)
A white guy sitting in an unmarked van, down by the river

etc


Please use the quote system ;) I read that as `Spade: Is "loitering" NYPD code for "black guy `
 
2013-03-11 04:22:50 PM
I would think that as a trade off for cops preventing people from taking a shiat in my hallway, I may consider telling my guests to come on up to my apartment, not wait in the hallways or lobby.

It may not work for everyone.
 
2013-03-11 04:23:12 PM
Either get Heinz, or don't come home son.

Sick. Simply sick. I'd damp a well-used tampon on my fries before I'd dump heinz on it. At least I'd get some flavor. That's just sick.
 
2013-03-11 04:23:31 PM
Cop-hating thead trifecta in play.

/let_the_hate_flow.jpg
 
2013-03-11 04:23:53 PM
"Kelly has called the practice a lifesaving tool that deters criminals from taking illegal weapons in public"

Damn, even the proponents of the policy can't explain why they support it without explaining it in terms of "it's a false excuse to stop and search people that we otherwise have no probable cause to stop and search because they aren't doing anything suspicious"

The logic of the "loitering" arrests being that now police can claim (lie) that ANYONE seen in or around the building is by default "loitering" and therefore is not just available to be asked questions per "Terry-stop" limits, but actually subject to ARREST, which then allows the cop to do a full body search and detain or jail the individual - all for the purpose of finding something else that they can be prosecuted for (drugs, guns, etc.)
 
2013-03-11 04:23:56 PM

timujin: The actual quote would have made it 234 characters.


But this isn't twitter, where every submission gets seen as long as it is under the character limit. I think Fark mods are more likely to green succinct headlines. And not to care about things like grammar, spelling, or logic.
 
2013-03-11 04:24:03 PM
TheGreatGazoo: The main noisy person nearby just moved away so the loudest things that I hear in the morning are some woodpeckers.

So Fred Flintstone moved with his "Yabba dabba dooooo" shiat and the only dum-dums you have to deal with is the woodpecker that goes "ha ha ha HA ha" every morning?
 
2013-03-11 04:24:16 PM
Due to poor life decisions (either made by myself or my parents, depending on my age) - I've always lived in crappy parts of town.  Some places worse than others; none so bad as the 'inner-city'...but I can say with 100% confidence, the worst part of being poor is.....dealing with trashy poor people.

I live in a ~450 sq. ft. apartment in a crappy part of town.  I don't mind the size, and I don't mind that the dryer doesn't work and I have to hang my clothes to dry, or that I don't have a thermostat, or that my shower doesn't work or that water leaks onto the patio from above.

No, the only problem I have with being poor is dealing with trashy poor people.  Neighbors who use the outside of my wall as a basketball court, neighbors who play music until 2am because, apparently, they don't work.  I can't leave my bicycle (I don't own a car, so my bicycle is pretty important to my livelihood) outside because the trashy people that I live near will steal it.  I have to pre-plan deliveries and take personal time off work because if I don't, it will be stolen from my doorstep before I get home.

I'm willing to accept there are economic factors that make the accumulation of wealth unfair towards those who don't already have some....but the things that *really* SUCK about being poor are almost completely self-inflicted.

And this guy is dealing with it.  It sucks that police see him standing outside a building and harass him.  But, the community is better-off for it.  Poor people standing around doing nothing are just waiting to be poor people doing something wrong.  It's why I can't leave anything of value outside and why anything that doesn't move has been 'tagged' with spray paint.

Basically your choice is between being harassed by the police or being harassed by the poor guys standing around with nothing to do (the ones committing the crimes that make this guy conflicted over being stopped by the police.
 
2013-03-11 04:24:23 PM
I'm an internet lawyer:  Excluding cooperatives and condominiums, the building owner owns the hallways, hence they are the private property of the owner.  The rights you have on a public street are different than on private property.
 
2013-03-11 04:24:36 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: "We don't feel safe, but it's because of the police,"

This is becoming the norm.


A couple of weeks ago, my car broke down, and I had to sit on the side of Rt 1, in PA, for 45 minutes waiting for the tow truck.  For anyone that's ever been down that road, you'd know how scary that is.  Traffic whizzes by at like 80mph!

The one thing that amazed me was that for all that time, I didn't see one cop.  Not one.  I would really have liked to have a cop there with lights to draw attenton to my car.

When I mentioned this to the driver, he shrugged and said, "That's the way it is with the cops.  They are like Nanny McFee.  When you need them they aren't around.  And when you don't want them, there they are."

Nice analogy...
 
2013-03-11 04:25:25 PM

Spade: Is "loitering" NYPD code for "black guy standing around not doing anything otherwise illegal"?


Depends. How high is he wearing his pants?
Up to his armpits? He probably lives here and pays rent.
Just over his navel? He probably lives here and pays rent.
Down around his waist? He probably lives here and pays rent.
Hanging off his ass? Probably needs a beat down for something. Starting with wearing his pants hanging off his ass. At least hit him until he drops his skittles.
 
2013-03-11 04:27:11 PM

Stephen_Falken: Well now. It's about time the rest of you slackers got a taste of the police state that California has already become. Welcome to your future, you earned it by allowing that piece of sh*t Cheney to steal the elections and shove America so far right that it may never recover its balance. Screw you guys, I'm going to Europe once I finish my degree.

/fuX0r the police


And Europe isn't a police state?

gracie18515.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-11 04:28:27 PM

KarmicDisaster: It's a metaphor! They speak in metaphors!


They must be like the girl who was hurt in the darkness and ate what was given to her.
 
2013-03-11 04:29:10 PM
A private owner has every right to allow the police to enter the common areas of their property,  There doesn't need to be any special program in place.

Why would a property owner do this?

1)  It keeps trouble out of the hallways.
2)  If the police do need to enter the building, they use a key instead of a foot.
3)  It costs the building owner $1  (to make a copy of the hallway key)

 It isn't a civil rights violation in they are INVITED by the property owner.
 
2013-03-11 04:29:19 PM
"I don't want to be stopped," he said. "But I also don't want something bad to happen to my family. It's not easy to say what the right answer is. ... It's not a perfect world."
Wisdom beyond his years right there.
 
2013-03-11 04:30:01 PM

Spade: Is "loitering" NYPD code for "black guy standing around not doing anything otherwise illegal"?


It's anybody Bloomberg doesn't like.  The mans is the text book definition of nanny-state
 
2013-03-11 04:30:37 PM
Man's reaction to being arrested inside his own building for "loitering" by the NYPD

Umm.. Man's reaction to being arrested outside his mother's apartment for "loitering" by the NYPD
 
2013-03-11 04:30:46 PM
When I see how the police are able to act in a nation such as ours, it makes me realize the terror of living somewhere where there are no checks and balances to their behavior.
 
2013-03-11 04:32:31 PM

KWillets: "if she hadn't come downstairs to identify him he would've been arrested on a trespassing charge."

So:

not arrested
not loitering

Anything else you'd care to share with us, subby?


According to the SCOTUS, the moment you are detained by police, and no longer able to freely leave on your own volition, an "arrest" has been made, no matter how  briefly,  this is why even "Terry Stops" aka "brief investigative detentions" require some objective reason and suspicion that you are engaged in wrongdoing.  Under Bloomberg, the NYPD has even abandonded this unbelievably basic level of probable cause and just begun blanket "stop and frisks" of random people in high crime neighborhoods.  The fact that this has only caused outrage from the ACLU and other "usual susoects" rather than mass protests and riots, or even the same level of press criticism that has attended his "soda ban" is a sad example fo how far this country, and NYC in particular, has fallen since 9/11
 
2013-03-11 04:34:50 PM

wgb423: A private owner has every right to allow the police to enter the common areas of their property,  There doesn't need to be any special program in place.

Why would a property owner do this?

1)  It keeps trouble out of the hallways.
2)  If the police do need to enter the building, they use a key instead of a foot.
3)  It costs the building owner $1  (to make a copy of the hallway key)

 It isn't a civil rights violation in they are INVITED by the property owner.


Property owners aren;t the only ones with civil rights, particularly 4th Amendment ones, nor can the cops, absent the owner's specific participation in every case, on their own dtermine who is a tresspasser and who is an invitee
 
2013-03-11 04:36:27 PM

I Love Happy Stuff: Stephen_Falken: Well now. It's about time the rest of you slackers got a taste of the police state that California has already become. Welcome to your future, you earned it by allowing that piece of sh*t Cheney to steal the elections and shove America so far right that it may never recover its balance. Screw you guys, I'm going to Europe once I finish my degree.

/fuX0r the police

And Europe isn't a police state?

[gracie18515.files.wordpress.com image 400x227]


Europe is a continent.
 
2013-03-11 04:37:21 PM

Krieghund: timujin: The actual quote would have made it 234 characters.

But this isn't twitter, where every submission gets seen as long as it is under the character limit. I think Fark mods are more likely to green succinct headlines. And not to care about things like grammar, spelling, or logic.


Yes, because cutting out the two words that would make the headline make sense was the big difference between getting a green or not.

I'm not sure why you or Magorn are trying to defend the headline, it was a dumb decision by subby and I was just stating so.  I only pointed out that it was under the 250 character limit because Magorn brought it up.  Hell, I'm not sure why my OC got a response in the first place.
 
2013-03-11 04:38:22 PM
But others say they can't go home without being menaced. In August 2011, Ligon sent her teenage son to the corner store get ketchup for the fries she was making for dinner. He didn't return.

Eventually, a police officer rang her doorbell and told her over the intercom to come down and identify her boy.



Wow, AP. I wonder what race her "boy" is.

Seriously, never have seen anything other than "son" used in this context. Maybe if he were 5 years old, but they're referring to a teenager. Reminds me of the captions from Katrina where black people "loot" and white people "find"
 
2013-03-11 04:41:28 PM

Christian Bale: But others say they can't go home without being menaced. In August 2011, Ligon sent her teenage son to the corner store get ketchup for the fries she was making for dinner. He didn't return.

Eventually, a police officer rang her doorbell and told her over the intercom to come down and identify her boy.


Wow, AP. I wonder what race her "boy" is.

Seriously, never have seen anything other than "son" used in this context. Maybe if he were 5 years old, but they're referring to a teenager. Reminds me of the captions from Katrina where black people "loot" and white people "find"


perhaps that was the language the police used?
 
2013-03-11 04:42:05 PM

Stephen_Falken: [i131.photobucket.com image 200x309]

Well now. It's about time the rest of you slackers got a taste of the police state that California has already become. Welcome to your future, you earned it by allowing that piece of sh*t Cheney to steal the elections and shove America so far right that it may never recover its balance. Screw you guys, I'm going to Europe once I finish my degree.

/fuX0r the police


Yeah because if there are two bastions of Republican power, they're California and New York.

It's idiots like you that are making things worse because you really believe that Democrats don't want it the same way. You'll notice all those things you cried about during the Bush years actually got worse under Obama if you open you eyes.

/both sides are bad so vote third party
//or buy a bunker and be ready
 
2013-03-11 04:44:27 PM
Glancing Blow
I'm an internet lawyer


Can you post your GED in internet law?
 
2013-03-11 04:46:01 PM
He should be happy he wasn't beaten (Graphic Image)
 
2013-03-11 04:47:09 PM
loitering present participle of loi·ter (Verb)VerbStand or wait around idly or without apparent purpose. ****************

First four words of the article: "  Jay Victorino was standing outside  "

So....

SOUNDS LIKE LOITERING TO ME!!!
 
2013-03-11 04:47:26 PM

timujin: I'm not sure why you or Magorn are trying to defend the headline, it was a dumb decision by subby and I was just stating so. I only pointed out that it was under the 250 character limit because Magorn brought it up. Hell, I'm not sure why my OC got a response in the first place.


I can't really speak for Magorn or yourself, but I assumed this whole conversation was born out of mid-Monday tedium.
 
2013-03-11 04:50:20 PM

Christian Bale: Reminds me of the captions from Katrina where black people "loot" and white people "find"


Your post reminds me that people still think the same news organization wrote both captions. Also that some people apparently believe their regional dialect is the only correct dialect to use.
 
2013-03-11 04:51:57 PM

Stephen_Falken: [i131.photobucket.com image 200x309]

Well now. It's about time the rest of you slackers got a taste of the police state that California has already become. Welcome to your future, you earned it by allowing that piece of sh*t Cheney to steal the elections and shove America so far right that it may never recover its balance. Screw you guys, I'm going to Europe once I finish my degree.

/fuX0r the police


I can't tell you about all of Europe - but I can say I spent the first 26 years of my life in the US and then moved to Ireland.  There are very few meaningful differences, despite everyone (on both sides) wanting to pretend otherwise.

European governments will trample over your rights just as fast as the US government.  In some cases, even faster.

The biggest difference that impacts my day-to-day life is the amount of tax I pay.  My experience with the police/local governments are pretty much identical.
 
2013-03-11 04:52:26 PM

LordJiro: You're right. In this case, it's not Republicanism that's the problem...it's pure authoritarianism.


 Authoritarianism knows no political boundaries.  Both sides will use it to further their own goals, and this petty bickering between the parties actually helps them by taking the focus away from what they are doing.
 
2013-03-11 04:52:43 PM
ftfa: Jay Victorino was standing outside his mother's apartment when he was grabbed by police, and he says if she hadn't come downstairs to identify him he would've been arrested on a trespassing charge.


It wasn't his building, it was the building where his mother had an apt.
And is it normal for grown-up men to hang around in the downstairs areas of apt buildings?
 
2013-03-11 04:55:23 PM

vudukungfu: , Ligon sent her teenage son to the corner store get ketchup for the fries she was making for dinner. He didn't return.

Either get Heinz, or don't come home son.

Don`t forget the skittles.

FTFY
 
2013-03-11 04:55:31 PM

Krieghund: timujin: I'm not sure why you or Magorn are trying to defend the headline, it was a dumb decision by subby and I was just stating so. I only pointed out that it was under the 250 character limit because Magorn brought it up. Hell, I'm not sure why my OC got a response in the first place.

I can't really speak for Magorn or yourself, but I assumed this whole conversation was born out of mid-Monday tedium.


It is a slow day.  I've beaten all of my customers into submission, so I have nothing better to do right now.
 
2013-03-11 04:59:43 PM

Magorn: KWillets: "if she hadn't come downstairs to identify him he would've been arrested on a trespassing charge."

So:

not arrested
not loitering

Anything else you'd care to share with us, subby?

According to the SCOTUS, the moment you are detained by police, and no longer able to freely leave on your own volition, an "arrest" has been made, no matter how  briefly,  this is why even "Terry Stops" aka "brief investigative detentions" require some objective reason and suspicion that you are engaged in wrongdoing.  Under Bloomberg, the NYPD has even abandonded this unbelievably basic level of probable cause and just begun blanket "stop and frisks" of random people in high crime neighborhoods.  The fact that this has only caused outrage from the ACLU and other "usual susoects" rather than mass protests and riots, or even the same level of press criticism that has attended his "soda ban" is a sad example fo how far this country, and NYC in particular, has fallen since 9/11


You know you make a good point. It`s a real shame that the program works so well. Maybe that`s why everyone who isn`t a criminal doesn`t make a fuss?
 
2013-03-11 05:00:59 PM

SploogeTime: Glancing Blow
I'm an internet lawyer

Can you post your GED in internet law?



img46.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-11 05:04:40 PM

dready zim: Magorn: KWillets: "if she hadn't come downstairs to identify him he would've been arrested on a trespassing charge."

So:

not arrested
not loitering

Anything else you'd care to share with us, subby?

According to the SCOTUS, the moment you are detained by police, and no longer able to freely leave on your own volition, an "arrest" has been made, no matter how  briefly,  this is why even "Terry Stops" aka "brief investigative detentions" require some objective reason and suspicion that you are engaged in wrongdoing.  Under Bloomberg, the NYPD has even abandonded this unbelievably basic level of probable cause and just begun blanket "stop and frisks" of random people in high crime neighborhoods.  The fact that this has only caused outrage from the ACLU and other "usual susoects" rather than mass protests and riots, or even the same level of press criticism that has attended his "soda ban" is a sad example fo how far this country, and NYC in particular, has fallen since 9/11

You know you make a good point. It`s a real shame that the program works so well. Maybe that`s why everyone who isn`t a criminal doesn`t make a fuss?


Yeah, what a surprise, police states are more effective at stopping crime.
 
2013-03-11 05:04:48 PM
neversubmit: He should be happy he wasn't beaten (Graphic Image)
First I was going to say how ridiculous the idiots in that video are, and how TYT is a big piece of shiat...
But then I started reading the captions that some genius hard embedded into the video and was laughing too hard to continue...
Actually said: "after they stopped beating him, one of the cops said QUOTE, where is that warrant now you F**king n**ger"
Captioned: "the actor i baked stopped beating him, one of the cops said QUOTE, whereas that warrant now you F**king maker"
Actually said: "so now look, this is why people go ahead and tell the cops to search for whatever you want..."
Captioned: "so now but this is why people go ahead and tell the cops torrentsearch whatever you want..."
and my PERSONAL FAVORITE!!!
Actually said: "Now whats the final situation with the three cops who did the beating"
Captioned: "now look but whats the final situation of the three cops who beat are excellent"
 
2013-03-11 05:06:18 PM
Help Police,Help Police,Help Police, Help it's the Police
 
2013-03-11 05:08:46 PM

Stephen_Falken: [i131.photobucket.com image 200x309]

Well now. It's about time the rest of you slackers got a taste of the police state that California has already become. Welcome to your future, you earned it by allowing that piece of sh*t Cheney to steal the elections and shove America so far right that it may never recover its balance. Screw you guys, I'm going to Europe once I finish my degree.

/fuX0r the police


While I dislike Cheney, Operation Clean Halls was created by Mayor David Dinkins' administration in 1991. You can't even blame Bloomberg for the program, let alone Cheney.
 
2013-03-11 05:11:40 PM

Glancing Blow: When I see how the police are able to act in a nation such as ours, it makes me realize the terror of living somewhere where there are no checks and balances to their behavior.



I hate to break it to you, but there are effectively very few - if any - actual checks and balances on police behavior now. A trend which began with the "war on drugs" and kicked in to overdrive with the "war on terror". Police can beat you, shoot you - whatever they want - and chances are greater than naught that they will skate away scott-free.
 
2013-03-11 05:12:38 PM

KarmicDisaster: It's a metaphor! They speak in metaphors!


You know what Jack says about that.
 
2013-03-11 05:14:18 PM

StaleCoffee: Yeah, what a surprise, police states are more effective at stopping crime reporting.


You left a word off there.
 
2013-03-11 05:14:37 PM
Last year, New York police stopped 533,042 people, more than five times the number in 2002. Fifty-five percent of those stopped were black, 32 percent were Hispanic and 10 percent were white. According to U.S. Census figures, there are 8.2 million people in the city: 26 percent are black, 28 percent are Hispanic and 44 percent are white.

Well, there's your problem.
 
2013-03-11 05:19:36 PM

draypresct: StaleCoffee: Yeah, what a surprise, police states are more effective at stopping crime reporting.

You left a word off there.


No, police states really are more effective at stopping crime. Some people are willing to give up personal rights for that. Some people don't realize what they're doing, and some people don't care.

It's not surprising that constantly patrolling and arresting anyone on the streets after 9 PM means there are no criminals on the streets after 9 PM.
 
2013-03-11 05:26:43 PM
vudukungfu:  , Ligon sent her teenage son to the corner store get ketchup for the fries she was making for dinner. He didn't return.
Either get Heinz, or don't come home son.


FTA
Eventually, a police officer rang her doorbell and told her over the intercom to come down and identify her boy.  "I thought he was dead," she said. "I ran down the stairs, and when I saw him there, I just collapsed."
Ligon said her son later was arrested on a trespassing charge but the charge was dropped.


Okay since his mother did come and ID him proving he had a legit reason for being there, why was he still arrested?
 
2013-03-11 05:30:34 PM

Gordon Bennett: I Love Happy Stuff: Stephen_Falken: Well now. It's about time the rest of you slackers got a taste of the police state that California has already become. Welcome to your future, you earned it by allowing that piece of sh*t Cheney to steal the elections and shove America so far right that it may never recover its balance. Screw you guys, I'm going to Europe once I finish my degree.

/fuX0r the police

And Europe isn't a police state?

[gracie18515.files.wordpress.com image 400x227]

Europe is a continent.


Somebody alert Drew Carey.
 
2013-03-11 05:41:25 PM
GlancingBlow, thank you sir. I'll photoshop and use it as I see fit. Excellent!

now I have the same degree as george bush, but this one is more real!
 
2013-03-11 05:46:55 PM

Spade: Is "loitering" NYPD code for "black guy standing around not doing anything otherwise illegal"?


FTA: "...and 10% White.."

so I'd say yeah, black guys #1, hispanic fellows #2.
 
2013-03-11 05:49:00 PM
So, the police detain him for loitering at building he doesn't live in. They question him and contact his mom who verifies that he has a legitimate reason to be there and they release him.

Hate to say it, but it sounds like the program worked exactly as it's supposed to. Don't like it? Buy yourself a house where you can do as you please.

/And have some brioche while you're at it.
 
2013-03-11 05:53:29 PM
Yay, another reason never to go to New York. Between this and the 'Stop and Frisk' program, seems like the cops just get to throw the rules out of the window without even having to hide it.
 
xcv
2013-03-11 06:00:03 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Last year, New York police stopped 533,042 people, more than five times the number in 2002. Fifty-five percent of those stopped were black, 32 percent were Hispanic and 10 percent were white. According to U.S. Census figures, there are 8.2 million people in the city: 26 percent are black, 28 percent are Hispanic and 44 percent are white.

Well, there's your problem.

 "Statistics show that 96% of shooting victims, 89% of murder victims and 81% of felony victims are part of a minority group (either black of hispanic). 97% of all those pulling the trigger, 86% of murder suspects, and 88% of felony suspects are also part of that minority group."  http://www.blackenterprise.com/news/shooting-victims-black-hispanic-n y c-96-percent/


If Stop and Frisk was really just about getting guns off the streets it's in proportion with the gun homicide rates. NYC is far safer for minorities than other major American cities like Chicago or Atlanta that have homicide rates ~3x as high. Yet, NYC was wrong in permitting the Stop and Frisk program to make arrests for anything other than guns, particularly drug offenses and bench warrants.
 
2013-03-11 06:06:28 PM
It wouldn't be fark without the headlines that read like the incoherent rantings of the criminally insane. Subby, where can I get a copy of your thousand-page manifesto?
 
2013-03-11 06:09:02 PM

Spade: Is "loitering" NYPD code for "black guy standing around not doing anything otherwise illegal"?


He probably had a 32 oz. soda dipped in trans fat.
 
2013-03-11 06:11:19 PM
Regardless of who opted in to this program and who paid for what, the problem is that the police aren't just checking with people to see if they belong there, they're harassing and detaining them. Seriously? A teenage kid ont he way to the store? What makes THAT look like loitering? Did he stop to talk to a friend on the way back up or something? All the NY cops have to do is stop acting like assholes, but they don't seem to be able to grasp this concept.
 
2013-03-11 06:17:33 PM
Maybe if we have some way of identifying who people are. Some sort of paper or papers that the person can show to law enforcement officers so that they can let the person go do things on his on recognizance. Some sort of papers that militarily trained peace officers can accept as legitimate. I wonder if there's been any previous experiment on that.
 
2013-03-11 06:20:38 PM

fsbilly: So, the police detain him for loitering at building he doesn't live in. They question him and contact his mom who verifies that he has a legitimate reason to be there and they release him.

Hate to say it, but it sounds like the program worked exactly as it's supposed to. Don't like it? Buy yourself a house where you can do as you please.

/And have some brioche while you're at it.


So explain the teenager sent to get some ketchup. If all he's doing is going from Point A to Point B and back, there is no reason to detain or even question, now is there?
 
2013-03-11 06:34:24 PM
More and More each month, New York City is slowly becoming MegaCity-1.
 
2013-03-11 06:37:46 PM
Did you see this PROPOGANDA film put out by North Korea about the US???:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem8FO4uP-c

And here are some boobies, just because.  She is Korean, just to stay "on topic":

www.musicasia.net
 
2013-03-11 06:38:48 PM

dready zim: lordargent: Spade: Is "loitering" NYPD code for "black guy standing around not doing anything otherwise illegal"?

s/black guy/anyone we don't like the look of/

For example
A white guy wearing a trench coat on a bright sunny day.
Asian guys changing their windshield wipers in a pep boys parking lot
Hispanic guys in a low rider (even if the low rider happens to be moving at the time)
A white guy sitting in an unmarked van, down by the river

etc


Please use the quote system ;) I read that as `Spade: Is "loitering" NYPD code for "black guy `



I don't see the problem.
 
2013-03-11 06:38:58 PM

Stephen_Falken: It's about time the rest of you slackers got a taste of the police state that California has already become. Welcome to your future, you earned it by allowing that piece of sh*t Cheney to steal the elections


I'm not sure you are directing your anger at "California Uber Alles" at the correct culprits there sparky.
 
2013-03-11 06:40:36 PM

Stephen_Falken: Well now. It's about time the rest of you slackers got a taste of the police state that California has already become. Welcome to your future, you earned it by allowing that piece of sh*t Cheney to steal the elections and shove America so far right that it may never recover its balance. Screw you guys, I'm going to Europe once I finish my degree.


Damn Poe's Law.
 
2013-03-11 06:44:47 PM

durbnpoisn: A couple of weeks ago, my car broke down, and I had to sit on the side of Rt 1, in PA, for 45 minutes waiting for the tow truck. For anyone that's ever been down that road, you'd know how scary that is. Traffic whizzes by at like 80mph!


If you mean US-1, I'm curious where you find a sufficiently traffic-free stretch to get up to 80mph.
 
2013-03-11 06:47:11 PM

Burr: Authoritarianism knows no political boundaries.


Good old pre-WWII Europe.

Monarchism, fascism, and communism fighting to see which policy could best grind the people into the mud.
 
2013-03-11 06:47:37 PM
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2013-03-11 06:49:53 PM

Magorn: wgb423: A private owner has every right to allow the police to enter the common areas of their property,  There doesn't need to be any special program in place.

Why would a property owner do this?

1)  It keeps trouble out of the hallways.
2)  If the police do need to enter the building, they use a key instead of a foot.
3)  It costs the building owner $1  (to make a copy of the hallway key)

 It isn't a civil rights violation in they are INVITED by the property owner.

Property owners aren;t the only ones with civil rights, particularly 4th Amendment ones, nor can the cops, absent the owner's specific participation in every case, on their own dtermine who is a tresspasser and who is an invitee


If the tenants don't like it, they can go and purchase their own property somewhere else.
 
2013-03-11 07:10:09 PM

LemSkroob: If the tenants don't like it, they can go and purchase their own property somewhere else.


For now. I suppose they can just get allodial title if they don't want to worry about HOAs, too, huh?

/the camel is sticking his head in the tent
 
2013-03-11 07:12:35 PM

Mikey1969: fsbilly: So, the police detain him for loitering at building he doesn't live in. They question him and contact his mom who verifies that he has a legitimate reason to be there and they release him.

Hate to say it, but it sounds like the program worked exactly as it's supposed to. Don't like it? Buy yourself a house where you can do as you please.

/And have some brioche while you're at it.

So explain the teenager sent to get some ketchup. If all he's doing is going from Point A to Point B and back, there is no reason to detain or even question, now is there?


No, you explain it to me. Usually, when you're going to the store to get ketchup you're moving toward a store with some money, or you're moving toward your building with some farking ketchup. I am going to venture to guess that he wasn't doing either of these things but, instead, was farking off in a location with a "No farking Off" sign posted.

"Yay, another reason never to go to New York."

NYC is crying itself to sleep tonight.
 
2013-03-11 07:15:01 PM

durbnpoisn: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: "We don't feel safe, but it's because of the police,"

This is becoming the norm.

A couple of weeks ago, my car broke down, and I had to sit on the side of Rt 1, in PA, for 45 minutes waiting for the tow truck.  For anyone that's ever been down that road, you'd know how scary that is.  Traffic whizzes by at like 80mph!

The one thing that amazed me was that for all that time, I didn't see one cop.  Not one.  I would really have liked to have a cop there with lights to draw attenton to my car.

When I mentioned this to the driver, he shrugged and said, "That's the way it is with the cops.  They are like Nanny McFee.  When you need them they aren't around.  And when you don't want them, there they are."

Nice analogy...


They just ignored your call, right?
 
2013-03-11 07:20:59 PM

Glancing Blow: I'm an internet lawyer:  Excluding cooperatives and condominiums, the building owner owns the hallways, hence they are the private property of the owner.  The rights you have on a public street are different than on private property.


which is why they should hire security guards.
 
2013-03-11 07:50:00 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Due to poor life decisions (either made by myself or my parents, depending on my age) - I've always lived in crappy parts of town.  Some places worse than others; none so bad as the 'inner-city'...but I can say with 100% confidence, the worst part of being poor is.....dealing with trashy poor people.

I live in a ~450 sq. ft. apartment in a crappy part of town.  I don't mind the size, and I don't mind that the dryer doesn't work and I have to hang my clothes to dry, or that I don't have a thermostat, or that my shower doesn't work or that water leaks onto the patio from above.

No, the only problem I have with being poor is dealing with trashy poor people.  Neighbors who use the outside of my wall as a basketball court, neighbors who play music until 2am because, apparently, they don't work.  I can't leave my bicycle (I don't own a car, so my bicycle is pretty important to my livelihood) outside because the trashy people that I live near will steal it.  I have to pre-plan deliveries and take personal time off work because if I don't, it will be stolen from my doorstep before I get home.

I'm willing to accept there are economic factors that make the accumulation of wealth unfair towards those who don't already have some....but the things that *really* SUCK about being poor are almost completely self-inflicted.

And this guy is dealing with it.  It sucks that police see him standing outside a building and harass him.  But, the community is better-off for it.  Poor people standing around doing nothing are just waiting to be poor people doing something wrong.  It's why I can't leave anything of value outside and why anything that doesn't move has been 'tagged' with spray paint.

Basically your choice is between being harassed by the police or being harassed by the poor guys standing around with nothing to do (the ones committing the crimes that make this guy conflicted over being stopped by the police.


Man.  You know, I don't live in the ghetto but I do live in the most affordable part of town.  There are people standing around with nothing to do all the time - the guy next door details cars and folks will just come in and end up hanging out with him for ages on the driveway.

But we've been here for a year and a half and are by FAR still the newest residents on the entire street.  The first time I drove a work car home, when a new roommate moved in, when that roommate got a new boyfriend... those neighbors standing around with nothing to do notice, and the guy next door will inevitably say "hey, so was that Suburban parked here last night yours?".

See, lots of folks on my street standing or walking and doing nothing... but most of them have lived here for decades, or their parents did before them.  The sewing circle gossip can get mildly irritating, but I also know if anything is amiss, they'll catch it.  And the kids in the neighborhood know if they do stupid shiat, they *will* get called out on it.  Probably by someone yelling at them from a porch.  I saw an awesome screaming fight when a teenaged girl threw a pop can into the creek. Ha.

We don't have a garage and keep garden tools, bikes, hell, the lawn mower, etc. all neatly stored behind the house.  Kids run through our backyard to get to the creek on the other side.  The SO had a cheap bike stolen when we first moved here (neighbor actually gave us one for free to replace it) and since then not a single thing taken.  And none of it locked up.

And I've never seen a cop roll through here except responding to a fight once and to block off the road during construction.

Yeah, it could be better.  But I had far sketchier shiat go down when I lived in the student section of town - even though the rent was twice (at best) what we pay now for smaller spaces.  Everyone here is generally scraping to make ends meet or retired, but they've been here for awhile and they plan to stay for awhile.   That makes all the difference in the world.
 
2013-03-11 07:51:31 PM
Stephen_Falken:  Screw you guys, I'm going to Europe once I finish my degree.

You almost had me but for that last like which went too over the top, I see you caught plenty tho.. good troll, would read again.
 
2013-03-11 08:24:39 PM

Magorn: KWillets: "if she hadn't come downstairs to identify him he would've been arrested on a trespassing charge."

So:

not arrested
not loitering

Anything else you'd care to share with us, subby?

According to the SCOTUS, the moment you are detained by police, and no longer able to freely leave on your own volition, an "arrest" has been made, no matter how  briefly,  this is why even "Terry Stops" aka "brief investigative detentions" require some objective reason and suspicion that you are engaged in wrongdoing.  Under Bloomberg, the NYPD has even abandonded this unbelievably basic level of probable cause and just begun blanket "stop and frisks" of random people in high crime neighborhoods.  The fact that this has only caused outrage from the ACLU and other "usual susoects" rather than mass protests and riots, or even the same level of press criticism that has attended his "soda ban" is a sad example fo how far this country, and NYC in particular, has fallen since 9/11


The cop smelled pot and saw the suspect throw something away when approached.
 
2013-03-11 08:31:42 PM
draletta.typepad.com
 
2013-03-11 09:06:57 PM

StoPPeRmobile: The cop smelled pot and saw the suspect throw something away when approached.


The black man pulled a wallet and had to be shot 52 times to make sure.

/Whats wrong with stopping to reload?
 
2013-03-12 09:55:21 AM

StaleCoffee: draypresct: StaleCoffee: Yeah, what a surprise, police states are more effective at stopping crime reporting.

You left a word off there.

No, police states really are more effective at stopping crime. Some people are willing to give up personal rights for that. Some people don't realize what they're doing, and some people don't care.

It's not surprising that constantly patrolling and arresting anyone on the streets after 9 PM means there are no criminals on the streets after 9 PM.


Most crime doesn't take place on the streets. A police state prevents accurate reporting from independent sources. A police state may dole out harsh punishments, but there is no incentive to make sure that the ones being punished actually committed any crimes. "Round up the usual suspects" . . . they tend to punish people with fewer friends in high places, regardless of whether they've committed a crime. They also tend to punish people who try to report crimes, since they make the local police look bad. Put these things together, and you see a situation where there is essentially no disincentive for large groups of people to commit most crimes (shooting a police officer may be one of the few exceptions), resulting in an increase in the crime rate.

Russia, North Korea, and a number of countries in Africa are police states. By your theory, they should have low crime rates. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_state

Want to know how they rank in terms of murder rates with the rest of the world (even just using _reported_ murder rates)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicid e _rate

/tldr: Police state != lower crime.
 
2013-03-12 09:58:11 AM
My grandbaby can loiter, because he'd never menace any of the other residents.  It's all those other people's kids who should be arrested.  Idiots.
 
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