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(CBS Sports)   Remember when Matt Barkley ruined his career by coming back to USC and was going to be a 2nd, maybe even 3rd round pick? Yeah, about that   (cbssports.com) divider line 171
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2013-03-11 12:37:31 PM
He did luck out with the feeb'd QB class this year.  But the dude's good.
 
2013-03-11 12:46:11 PM
Of all the teams to take the USC senior QB who everyone wanted after his junior year, who stayed in an extra year to try to win a national championship but came up short...who is considered the most "pro-ready" and well-practiced QB of the ones coming out this year...I don't think it's going to be Arizona.

Especially not after the way Whisenhunt helped destroy the last one's career.
 
2013-03-11 12:47:00 PM
They're not going to draft Barkley after Leinart flamed out.  They need a playmaker.  Someone with legs or that can make half-second reads and dump the ball.  They just don't have the o-line for anything else even though they have the skillplayers(still) for a great passing offense.
 
2013-03-11 12:47:13 PM
Oh wait, Whisenhunt finally got fired. I suppose there's a little more of a chance. Still, probably not the franchise to go to.
 
2013-03-11 12:48:19 PM
I only watched maybe two USC games all year from start to finish last season, but it did look like Barkley's offensive line was incredibly lackluster.

But, because he's an easy target, I'm going to blame Lane Kiffin for the fact a team with a seemingly legit NFL prospect at QB, a stable of good RBs, and the best WR tandem in the country found a way to only win 7 games. Brilliant stuff.
 
2013-03-11 12:49:14 PM
Those picks are a mistake.  There is not a single first round quality QB in the field.
 
2013-03-11 12:50:31 PM
He was going to  be #1.  Let's see if he still is....
 
2013-03-11 01:00:15 PM
The problem with USC QBs is they look so awesome in college because their specialty guys are just that good.
You could put a lot of QBs on the field with Lee and Woods and they would look like All Americans.
Not saying Barkley is bad, but Sanchez and Leinart were both falsely pumped up due to the tools they had at USC to work with.
 
2013-03-11 01:00:53 PM

The Muthaship: He was going to  be #1.  Let's see if he still is....


Well, he was going to be No. 1 maybe after his frosh or soph seasons...he wouldn't have been No. 1 last year, which is part of why he stayed.
 
2013-03-11 01:03:10 PM
Looks like the Vikings are prepared to trade Harvin to the Seahawks for two cups of Starbucks and a ride on the Space Needle.
 
2013-03-11 01:03:49 PM
Cards need O-linemen far more than another USC QB. They are in a multi-year rebuilding project anyway with the 49ers and Seahawks in their division.
 
2013-03-11 01:12:39 PM

srhp29: The problem with USC QBs is they look so awesome in college because their specialty guys are just that good.
You could put a lot of QBs on the field with Lee and Woods and they would look like All Americans.
Not saying Barkley is bad, but Sanchez and Leinart were both falsely pumped up due to the tools they had at USC to work with.


To add, Carson Palmer was the best of the USC QBs drafted in the last decade, and he only looked decent when he was throwing to Chad Johnson and Housh in their primes.
 
2013-03-11 01:17:25 PM

kronicfeld: he only looked decent when he was throwing to Chad Johnson and Housh in their primes had two knees with complete ligaments.


FTFY

/Leinart was decent with Green's WCO, Whiz didn't want that offense and tried to force Leinart to be a different QB to suit his system
//though one would have to say Boldin/Fitz was probably the best WR 1-2 combo in the NFL
 
2013-03-11 01:19:05 PM
In other news...

kwout.com
 
2013-03-11 01:21:30 PM

bhcompy: They're not going to draft Barkley after Leinart flamed out.


Came here to say this.

Also, going for D-Line before O-Line would be typical of Jerry Jones, wouldn't it?
 
2013-03-11 01:23:47 PM

VvonderJesus: Looks like the Vikings are prepared to trade Harvin to the Seahawks for two cups of Starbucks and a ride on the Space Needle.


We might throw in some Amazon gift cards, too.
 
2013-03-11 01:28:32 PM

Killer Cars: VvonderJesus: Looks like the Vikings are prepared to trade Harvin to the Seahawks for two cups of Starbucks and a ride on the Space Needle.

We might throw in some Amazon gift cards, too.


Harvin's a talent; too bad he's got a head full of shiat to match.
 
2013-03-11 01:29:01 PM
Percy's migraine problems could be avoided with the use of a drug that is now legalized in Washington.
 
2013-03-11 01:32:15 PM

kronicfeld: srhp29: The problem with USC QBs is they look so awesome in college because their specialty guys are just that good.
You could put a lot of QBs on the field with Lee and Woods and they would look like All Americans.
Not saying Barkley is bad, but Sanchez and Leinart were both falsely pumped up due to the tools they had at USC to work with.

To add, Carson Palmer was the best of the USC QBs drafted in the last decade, and he only looked decent when he was throwing to Chad Johnson and Housh in their primes.


Actually I'd say he looked pretty decent until he got cheapshotted and ruined his legs.

USC QBs tend to be good "pro-style" QBs in that they're comfortable in the pocket, not terribly mobile, and fairly accurate passers.  There is a certain style of team that does well with that(teams with a good o-line), but there are also plenty of teams that don't(low draft pick teams).  Tom Brady is an example of this kind of QB, and he's not very good when his o-line play is bad(or against a great passrush).  Put Tom Brady on the Bungles and the Raiders and you get similar results to what Palmer got
 
2013-03-11 01:33:37 PM

VvonderJesus: Percy's migraine problems could be avoided with the use of a drug that is now legalized in Washington.


Legalized doesn't mean that it passes the NFL policy
 
2013-03-11 01:36:56 PM

robsul82: In other news...

[kwout.com image 396x252]


Good (assuming they're decent picks). He'd already decided to be done in MN, so may as well get something for him.

Wilson's got to be ecstatic.
 
2013-03-11 01:40:33 PM

digistil: robsul82: In other news...

[kwout.com image 396x252]

Good (assuming they're decent picks). He'd already decided to be done in MN, so may as well get something for him.

Wilson's got to be ecstatic.


Yes
 
2013-03-11 01:44:10 PM

robsul82: In other news...

[kwout.com image 396x252]


That's good news/bad news. He had a lot of upside, but he was a constant headache off the field.
 
2013-03-11 01:45:17 PM

robsul82: In other news...

[kwout.com image 396x252]


Not sure why Seattle didn't just wait until he was cut lose. Must have gotten a discount on extending his contract.
 
2013-03-11 01:45:23 PM

digistil: Wilson's got to be ecstatic.


Harvin and Rice at WR, Miller at TE, and Lynch running the ball?

Yeah, I think that's a decent start to an offense.
 
2013-03-11 01:46:05 PM
Wait, we're giving Minnesota a first-rounder, seventh-rounder, AND a mid-round pick last year?

Guess we're going balls to the wall this year. F*ck it, LET'S DO THIS
 
2013-03-11 01:46:31 PM
MN got Seattle's first and seventh this year and a mid-rounder next year. Honestly can't imagine it'd have gotten much better than that for MN.
 
2013-03-11 01:46:35 PM

robsul82: In other news...

[kwout.com image 396x252]


Oh god damnit.  Not sure if happy that he is gone from the Vikes, or angry that Seattle will wreck teams for the next 2 or 3 years.
 
2013-03-11 01:47:14 PM
Mid-round pick next year, not last year.

/it would really piss me off if they got the PFM joke tweet and the deal actually DID include last year's 3rd rounder
 
2013-03-11 01:47:36 PM

IAmRight: Wait, we're giving Minnesota a first-rounder, seventh-rounder, AND a mid-round pick last year?

Guess we're going balls to the wall this year. F*ck it, LET'S DO THIS


Keep in mind this year's draft class. :/
 
2013-03-11 01:48:59 PM

Gonz: Harvin and Rice at WR, Miller at TE, and Lynch running the ball?


Golden Tate became a pretty solid starting WR too last year. It's not like he disappeared after the Fail Mary.

They can go 3 wide every down next year.
 
2013-03-11 01:49:19 PM

Gonz: digistil: Wilson's got to be ecstatic.

Harvin and Rice at WR, Miller at TE, and Lynch running the ball?

Yeah, I think that's a decent start to an offense.


Actually, now they can cut Rice and shave about $6 mil off their cap.
 
2013-03-11 01:50:48 PM

digistil: Keep in mind this year's draft class. :/


Yeah, and for all the success in the draft, first-rounders have been not-as-great-as-we-think (though injuries have played a role in that).

Hey, at least I now have no reason to watch Day 1 of the draft!
 
2013-03-11 01:51:22 PM

DevilsHorns J: Gonz: digistil: Wilson's got to be ecstatic.

Harvin and Rice at WR, Miller at TE, and Lynch running the ball?

Yeah, I think that's a decent start to an offense.

Actually, now they can cut Rice and shave about $6 mil off their cap.


Except they need both Harvin and Rice because one will always be injured
 
2013-03-11 01:51:36 PM
The Cardinals are not going to draft a QB in the 1st round. Yes, they need a QB worse than someone stuck in the middle of the desert needs water. But there's not a single QB worth a top 10 draft pick in this draft.
 
2013-03-11 01:53:46 PM

DevilsHorns J: Gonz: digistil: Wilson's got to be ecstatic.

Harvin and Rice at WR, Miller at TE, and Lynch running the ball?

Yeah, I think that's a decent start to an offense.

Actually, now they can cut Rice and shave about $6 mil off their cap.


And then Minnesota will pick him up, completing the circle of fail.

/actually a 1st rounder isn't too bad for a player that didn't intend on playing for the Vikings
 
2013-03-11 01:53:52 PM

robsul82: In other news...

[kwout.com image 396x252]


Are you pondering what I'm pondering?
 
2013-03-11 01:57:52 PM

bhcompy: DevilsHorns J: Gonz: digistil: Wilson's got to be ecstatic.

Harvin and Rice at WR, Miller at TE, and Lynch running the ball?

Yeah, I think that's a decent start to an offense.

Actually, now they can cut Rice and shave about $6 mil off their cap.

Except they need both Harvin and Rice because one will always be injured


That's true, and I'm not saying they will do it, but $8.5 mil next year is a pretty hefty price for a player that is essentially now a luxury item.
 
2013-03-11 01:58:38 PM
I really hope a top three OT falls to the Chargers, but I'm just not that optimistic.
 
2013-03-11 02:03:21 PM

DevilsHorns J: That's true, and I'm not saying they will do it, but $8.5 mil next year is a pretty hefty price for a player that is essentially now a luxury item.


They'll keep him. If he gets back up to his 2009 numbers - in fairness, much of his number issues over the past couple of seasons are similar to the reasons Larry Fitzgerald doesn't have numbers over the past couple seasons - first it was T-Jack/Chaz Whitehurst, this year it was that Russell Wilson wasn't allowed to throw for half the season and then, sometimes, didn't see him open deep and instead ran the ball for a first down. Successful plays, sure, but could've been bigger if he saw Rice open - then they'll actually have a decision next offseason. If he doesn't, then he's gone.

They have plenty of cap room this year (though I suppose it depends on what they give Harvin).
 
2013-03-11 02:06:28 PM

IAmRight: They have plenty of cap room this year (though I suppose it depends on what they give Harvin).


That's why I'm still surprised they pulled the trigger on acquiring Harvin; there's a lot of young pieces on that defense that are only a couple years from a pay day. Sherman and Thomas alone (barring catastrophic injury or regression) would be worth a bunch on the open market.
 
2013-03-11 02:06:54 PM
15. New Orleans Saints -- Barkevious Mingo

It's too bad that's a real name. I would definitely watch "The Justice League vs. Barkevious Mingo" on the big screen.
 
2013-03-11 02:08:11 PM

desertgeek: The Cardinals are not going to draft a QB in the 1st round. Yes, they need a QB worse than someone stuck in the middle of the desert needs water. But there's not a single QB worth a top 10 draft pick in this draft.


"Worth it" is of little concern when it comes to QB's. The position is too important.

People have been saying "No first round QB's" all off season, but there will be 3 taken in the first round before there are 0. Especially with Matt Moore staying in Miami, Alex Smith in KC, and the Eagles apparently not wanting to let go of Foles. Geno and Barkley are locks, and I wouldn't be surprised if Glennon gets in there as well.
 
2013-03-11 02:10:59 PM

Killer Cars: That's why I'm still surprised they pulled the trigger on acquiring Harvin; there's a lot of young pieces on that defense that are only a couple years from a pay day. Sherman and Thomas alone (barring catastrophic injury or regression) would be worth a bunch on the open market.


But in those couple of years, almost all the big contracts they currently have will probably be gone (Miller and Rice, specifically), and I'm sure they'll have something to do with Harvin.

But as I said, this is likely all about "f*ck it, we want the Harvin and we're going to score!" - we have a team that was the best team in the NFL by advanced stats last year and that was without really doing anything on offense for the first half of the season. So if we actually produce and if Clemons can come back and we can do something with our pass rush, then why can't 2014 be our year?

This one's the one we're going to have an outdoor SB by NYC, right? It WOULD be our style to have a sh*tty year to appear in the Super Bowl. It'll probably blizzard. (Yay, we got to go to...Detroit. And...NYC in f*cking February. Thanks, NFL.)
 
2013-03-11 02:14:26 PM

jayhawk88: desertgeek: The Cardinals are not going to draft a QB in the 1st round. Yes, they need a QB worse than someone stuck in the middle of the desert needs water. But there's not a single QB worth a top 10 draft pick in this draft.

"Worth it" is of little concern when it comes to QB's. The position is too important.

People have been saying "No first round QB's" all off season, but there will be 3 taken in the first round before there are 0. Especially with Matt Moore staying in Miami, Alex Smith in KC, and the Eagles apparently not wanting to let go of Foles. Geno and Barkley are locks, and I wouldn't be surprised if Glennon gets in there as well.


Completely agree we'll see at least one (for reason stated), maybe 2, but 3??
 
2013-03-11 02:15:44 PM

bhcompy: kronicfeld: srhp29: The problem with USC QBs is they look so awesome in college because their specialty guys are just that good.
You could put a lot of QBs on the field with Lee and Woods and they would look like All Americans.
Not saying Barkley is bad, but Sanchez and Leinart were both falsely pumped up due to the tools they had at USC to work with.

To add, Carson Palmer was the best of the USC QBs drafted in the last decade, and he only looked decent when he was throwing to Chad Johnson and Housh in their primes.

Actually I'd say he looked pretty decent until he got cheapshotted and ruined his legs.

USC QBs tend to be good "pro-style" QBs in that they're comfortable in the pocket, not terribly mobile, and fairly accurate passers.


For example...Rodney Peete, Rob Johnson, Matt Leinhart, Mark Sanchez, John David Booty...you know, fairly accurate passers who are comfortable in the pocket.

Having experience running a "pro-style" offense doesn't make you a "pro-style" accurate passer, they are independent skill sets.  It just means you'll pick up on the terminology and scheme faster in the NFL...While running into the ass of your offensive lineman and fumbling.
 
2013-03-11 02:16:15 PM

rumpelstiltskin: 15. New Orleans Saints -- Barkevious Mingo

It's too bad that's a real name. I would definitely watch "The Justice League vs. Barkevious Mingo" on the big screen.


Star Lotulelei vs. Barkevious Mingo sounds like a kickass lightsaber duel.
 
2013-03-11 02:18:39 PM

digistil: Completely agree we'll see at least one (for reason stated), maybe 2, but 3??


Glennon might sneak into the end of the first round, to either a team like the Texans or Pats recognizing value, or someone (Cards? Bills?) not taking a QB with their first rounder, and packaging their early 2nd rounder and some other picks to leapfrog another team looking for 2nd round QB talent. Teams like the Raiders, Jets, and Jags might not take a QB with their first rounder, but I bet they'll be looking hard at taking one in the 2nd.
 
2013-03-11 02:20:24 PM
Barkley is horrible as a first rounder. His accuracy sucks and was easily confused by HS secondaries as he racked up 18 INTs his senior year of HS. In college his INT numbers didn't look much better.
 
2013-03-11 02:33:30 PM

Treygreen13: rumpelstiltskin: 15. New Orleans Saints -- Barkevious Mingo

It's too bad that's a real name. I would definitely watch "The Justice League vs. Barkevious Mingo" on the big screen.

Star Lotulelei vs. Barkevious Mingo RANDO sounds like a kickass lightsaber duel.


/not terribly obscure
 
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