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(Entertainment Weekly)   Robert Kirkman dissembles last night's The Walking Dead, reminds us again that it's a TV show, not a comic book and that Steven Yeun is always asking to "get naked"   (insidetv.ew.com) divider line 42
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2013-03-11 12:14:07 PM
3 votes:

GoldSpider: kumanoki: That's right! No need to watch the show or follow the thread anymore. You're not missing anything at all, but thanks for popping in to share!

I'm just puzzled.  For a show that's presumably about a zombie apocalypse, I read very little about the show that has anything to do with zombies.


I think this has been covered before, but the show is a drama. The drama involves people caught in a zombie apocalypse. So the zombies are set dressing.

It's kind of like how Buffy the Vampire Slayer just became Buffy because she wasnt really doing a whole lot of vampire slaying. The Walking Dead uses the zombies as a plot device to move the characters through the scenes.

It's not zombie pron. It's drama with zombies.
2013-03-11 11:25:20 AM
3 votes:

ranak: MyKingdomForYourHorse: ranak: Andrea got told flat-out to go make someone a sandwich. Maybe that's the kick-in-the-ass she needs.

And the wheels started to turn in Milton's head.

Andrea's as well. And if next week is to be believed, then she'll pull in Tyrese and his group to help her out.


It'll be interesting how they pull Tyrese in at this point given that the Gov decapitated him in the comics. Maybe they will stretch the Gov into Season 4.

dajoro: What did the episode title mean?  "Arrow on the Doorstop."


Bob Dylan - Blind Willie

Seen the arrow on the doorpost
Saying, "This land is condemned
All the way from New Orleans
To Jerusalem."
2013-03-11 10:38:43 AM
3 votes:
"Dissemble" does not mean "disassemble."
2013-03-11 12:28:26 PM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: lectos: Why are the zombies so easy to kill now?  You poke them in the eye and they die.  Why are they even a threat? BORING!

All characters on the show should wear this shirt:

[www.bothbigandclever.com image 599x624]

considering most of them have been dead for 3 years now, I'd say they're decomposing more slowly than average.


1 television season =/= 1 in story year

This is possibly more grating than the people who think season breaks are the end of a season.
2013-03-11 12:19:16 PM
2 votes:

GoldSpider: kumanoki: That's right! No need to watch the show or follow the thread anymore. You're not missing anything at all, but thanks for popping in to share!

I'm just puzzled.  For a show that's presumably about a zombie apocalypse, I read very little about the show that has anything to do with zombies.


The title of the show doesn't refer to the zombies.
2013-03-11 12:18:52 PM
2 votes:

SithLord: GoldSpider: I haven't watched since Season 1.  Can I assume the show has long since devolved to the point where the zombies are little more than an afterthought?  A soap opera with the occasional random ugly dude?

It was always a drama series revolving around the characters involved.  The ZA just happens to be the backdrop.


When will people realize that, even though the show is based on a zombie apocalypse, the zombie murder is not the main focal point? We're 3 seasons deep and there's still those odd people who complain that every episode isn't balls to the wall zombie slaughter.
2013-03-11 11:55:36 AM
2 votes:

Rickj: serial_crusher: lectos: Why are the zombies so easy to kill now?  You poke them in the eye and they die.  Why are they even a threat? BORING!

All characters on the show should wear this shirt:

[www.bothbigandclever.com image 599x624]

considering most of them have been dead for 3 years now, I'd say they're decomposing more slowly than average.


The zombies have been dead for a little over one year.  Or else Lori had a much longer pregnancy than 9 months.


There will always be new zombies.  Remember, they are all infected.  You don't have to die from a zombie bite to become a zombie.  Death from natural or unnatural causes will turn you into one as long as your brain is intact.  So even as the older zombies die out, if humans still are dying, more zombies will be made.
2013-03-11 11:54:54 AM
2 votes:

justtray: Terrible episode, again showing how inferior to the comic this show is.

In the comic Rick has no problem killing the leader of the prison group in cold blood during a zombie attack. In the show, he lets tons of people die, including the backpacker from last week. He knows the Governor is terrible, and the ring leader, that Andrea or puss McGee is 2nd in command and unlikely to lead a retribution. He knows they're going to attack his group anyway, they already DID attack and kill Axel. And yet, he doesn't kill him the first chance he gets.

And why didn't he? So that it kind of makes sense when tons of characters get wiped out in a few weeks because he didn't end it when he could have, and Andrea didn't end it when she should have, because only then will they realize the blatant and obvious truth knocked over their head again and again and again that the governor is a terrible, mashup character of Creed songs played over one another. "I'm evil, but I'm human, but I'm crazy, but I'm loved and justified."

I only watch now in hopes that Rick will die, Daryl will take the lead and the show will be renamed Duck Walking Dynasty.


I hear there are other shows on other channels you might like.
2013-03-11 11:42:00 AM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: lectos: Why are the zombies so easy to kill now?  You poke them in the eye and they die.  Why are they even a threat? BORING!

All characters on the show should wear this shirt:

[www.bothbigandclever.com image 599x624]

considering most of them have been dead for 3 years now, I'd say they're decomposing more slowly than average.



The zombies have been dead for a little over one year.  Or else Lori had a much longer pregnancy than 9 months.
2013-03-11 11:21:23 AM
2 votes:

maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.


Why is it weak? He was there to broker a peace deal, so he sat down an listened to what he had to say. Rick knows that they are tremendously outnumbered, and for all he knew if he would have killed the Governor there none of them would have walked away from the meeting alive, and the Governor's men would have finished the prison off and killed everybody inside.

So shooting him at that moment would have been stupid. Instead walking away and saying you would think about his demands was the smarter thing because know you have time to prepare yourself for the attack that you know is coming.
2013-03-11 10:30:23 AM
2 votes:

CarnySaur: I was hoping they'd both lapse into their British accents during those scenes.


Andrew Lincoln once talked about how he has the same problem that most British actors do when performing in an 'American' accent in that certain words will always trigger their native sound so sometimes script rewrites are done on the fly for dialogue to avoid those trigger words.
2013-03-11 10:20:14 AM
2 votes:
The writing and directing in the meeting was garbage. All of the dialogue sounded like words just said to fill time, and the scenes themselves were disjointed.
2013-03-11 10:10:21 AM
2 votes:
I was expecting a sniper shot to kill Maggie after she kissed Glenn last night.  Figured that whenever there is an emotional breakthrough, someone's gonna die.
2013-03-12 12:44:29 PM
1 votes:
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2013-03-11 09:00:30 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: considering most of them have been dead for 3 years now, I'd say they're decomposing more slowly than average.


It's been less than a year according to one of the Wikis:  http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Television_Show_Timeline Last week's episode was day 316 from outbreak.  Lori's only been dead about a week.
2013-03-11 03:58:22 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: Digitalstrange: serial_crusher: Sybarite: So Andrea told the Governor all about the whole Rick-Shane-Lori paternity thing? They must have some weird pillow talk.

I imagine there was at least one round of "tell me everything you know about this guy".

Could have also been New Black Guy and his group.  They were at the prison during Rick's meltdown.  Stands to reason that somebody might have white nighted for him and explained to them all the good reasons he had for going crazy.

Nah, Tyrese and his crew had no knowledge of the Rick/Shane thing and no reason to white knight Rick since they met him once and he acted weird and kicked them out. The Gov pumped Andrea for info and she spilled it all

you misunderstood.  I mean somebody in the prison group white knighted to Tyrese when he was weirded out.  It didn't work, then he went and told the governor everything he knew.


Ahh, IC

Here's my advice to Rick and Co. :

You know the Gov and presumably his closest Lt's will be away 2 days from now at noon. Invade Woodberry in force and eliminate the scrubs who make them numerically superior while their leadership is away. Leave Woodberry burning and get back to the prison and set for the Gov's small invasion force.
2013-03-11 03:37:42 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: People should get over trying to explain zombies with science. Despite the half assed stab at explaining them at the CDC, zombies are clearly supernatural, no less than vampires are. No one tries to explain them with biology.


Eh, I liked the explanation.  It was just sciency enough to work in the universe without getting exact enough to poke too many holes in my suspension of disbelief.  See also: Dilithium crystals, warp drives...
2013-03-11 03:14:50 PM
1 votes:

ObeliskToucher: maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.

Remember the comment that Rick makes when he asks Michonne to drive them back to the prison -- "I see things".

He's driving to the town, sees the hitchhiker by the side of the road, and just assumes he's another figment of his imagination. He doesn't say a word (because what if the hitchhiker *is* just another figment), and everyone else is waiting for him to say "stop" (or not).   For the trip back, he admits (only to Michonne) that seeing things isn't such a good thing for a driver -- now that he and Michonne are on good figment-sharing terms.

The look in his face when he sees the body at the side of the road on the way back definitely had some "Huh... guess that one was real" in it.


Except that Carl very clearly saw the hitchhiker too.
2013-03-11 01:09:41 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: Shadowknight: I know it's a completely different universe only using similar rules, but World War Z covers the idea that zombies take longer to rot simply because living things, from animals to bacteria, all have a natural tendency to want to avoid the zombie virus itself

People should get over trying to explain zombies with science. Despite the half assed stab at explaining them at the CDC, zombies are clearly supernatural, no less than vampires are. No one tries to explain them with biology.


you can explain pretty much anything with biology though...
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2013-03-11 01:01:06 PM
1 votes:

WienerButt: No mention of Rick calling him the town drunk? Were they implying Rick knew the governor or is that just the realization that he is a Joe Schmo who now has all this power?


I took it as a probing insult, rather than one with any background knowledge. Rick knows this guy's "type".
2013-03-11 12:52:59 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: I figure corpses rot at the same rate.


I know it's a completely different universe only using similar rules, but World War Z covers the idea that zombies take longer to rot simply because living things, from animals to bacteria, all have a natural tendency to want to avoid the zombie virus itself.  Thus, zombies in that universe are much more likely to deteriorate due to drying out than rotting away, because even the bacteria wants no part of it.

I mean, it IS a zombie show, and this explanation could easily be used to keep the zombies more or less Tupperware fresh for seasons to come.
2013-03-11 12:45:59 PM
1 votes:
I want milton to draw some blood from Judith and find out she doesnt have the virus!
2013-03-11 12:42:18 PM
1 votes:
I see the season ending with the prison being destroyed or damaged so badly that the crew will have to leave it.  In the chaos, most of the Governor's posse gets killed except for the Governor.  He and Milton will head back to Woodbury and be met with a zombie outbreak inside.  That old lady with arthritis will kick the bucket overnight and start having a midnight snack on the rest of the townsfolk.  The end will be when Andrea confronts the Governor but will hesitate to pull the trigger.  The Governor will seize on her hesitation and draw his gun.  But before he can pull the trigger, grandma zombie comes in and chews on him.  Andrea and Milton will escape and find Rick and join the crew.
2013-03-11 12:25:55 PM
1 votes:

kumanoki: redmid17: You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.

Also- I seriously doubt the Governor has snipers posted around the prison. The shot that took down Axel was the declaration of war. But it's the preception that people are swarming around outside with high-powered rifles is exactly the right tactic to take to keep Rick's group scared and inside. Frankly, the Governor needs to keep his skilled people close to him to train the townies.


For some reason, this got me thinking about how interesting it would be if we had the inevitable showdown at the prison interrupted by a walker herd. Force enemies to work together against a common enemy, add a new dynamic to things.
2013-03-11 12:15:41 PM
1 votes:

ranak: Calypsocookie: So if The Govna knows they got more guns...did he have someone follow them to Morgan's? And if so will he raid him, possibly kidnap? Or did he just see them going back to the prison and unloading? Things that make you say hmmm.

It would make sense for Gov to have lookouts keeping an eye on things. And if they did back-track to where Morgan is holed up, they might drive him out. From what I understand, Morgan is suposed to be in a few more episodes. So Morgan either grabs a bus departing CrazyTown and shows up at the prison, or comes riding in to save the day when Gov attacks.


I hope he comes rolling in like the freaking black knight of the zombie apocalypse and lays waste to the Gov's forces in some epic manner.

You just see Morgan with a giant American flag taped to his car, LMG hanging out the window spraying bullets, and him just yelling FREEEEEEDDDOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM as he guns down Woodbury troops en mass. Would be glorious.
2013-03-11 12:08:36 PM
1 votes:

kumanoki: That's right! No need to watch the show or follow the thread anymore. You're not missing anything at all, but thanks for popping in to share!


I'm just puzzled.  For a show that's presumably about a zombie apocalypse, I read very little about the show that has anything to do with zombies.
2013-03-11 11:53:27 AM
1 votes:
I haven't watched since Season 1.  Can I assume the show has long since devolved to the point where the zombies are little more than an afterthought?  A soap opera with the occasional random ugly dude?
2013-03-11 11:50:32 AM
1 votes:
Terrible episode, again showing how inferior to the comic this show is.

In the comic Rick has no problem killing the leader of the prison group in cold blood during a zombie attack. In the show, he lets tons of people die, including the backpacker from last week. He knows the Governor is terrible, and the ring leader, that Andrea or puss McGee is 2nd in command and unlikely to lead a retribution. He knows they're going to attack his group anyway, they already DID attack and kill Axel. And yet, he doesn't kill him the first chance he gets.

And why didn't he? So that it kind of makes sense when tons of characters get wiped out in a few weeks because he didn't end it when he could have, and Andrea didn't end it when she should have, because only then will they realize the blatant and obvious truth knocked over their head again and again and again that the governor is a terrible, mashup character of Creed songs played over one another. "I'm evil, but I'm human, but I'm crazy, but I'm loved and justified."

I only watch now in hopes that Rick will die, Daryl will take the lead and the show will be renamed Duck Walking Dynasty.
2013-03-11 11:39:03 AM
1 votes:

redmid17: You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.


Also- I seriously doubt the Governor has snipers posted around the prison. The shot that took down Axel was the declaration of war. But it's the preception that people are swarming around outside with high-powered rifles is exactly the right tactic to take to keep Rick's group scared and inside. Frankly, the Governor needs to keep his skilled people close to him to train the townies.
2013-03-11 11:32:26 AM
1 votes:

MyKingdomForYourHorse: ranak: MyKingdomForYourHorse: ranak: Andrea got told flat-out to go make someone a sandwich. Maybe that's the kick-in-the-ass she needs.

And the wheels started to turn in Milton's head.

Andrea's as well. And if next week is to be believed, then she'll pull in Tyrese and his group to help her out.

It'll be interesting how they pull Tyrese in at this point given that the Gov decapitated him in the comics. Maybe they will stretch the Gov into Season 4.

dajoro: What did the episode title mean?  "Arrow on the Doorstop."

Bob Dylan - Blind Willie

Seen the arrow on the doorpost
Saying, "This land is condemned
All the way from New Orleans
To Jerusalem."


I think that season 4 will be about them running into the group that they had the skirmish with in the town by Hershel's farm.
2013-03-11 11:30:07 AM
1 votes:

Sybarite: So Andrea told the Governor all about the whole Rick-Shane-Lori paternity thing? They must have some weird pillow talk.


I imagine there was at least one round of "tell me everything you know about this guy".

Could have also been New Black Guy and his group.  They were at the prison during Rick's meltdown.  Stands to reason that somebody might have white nighted for him and explained to them all the good reasons he had for going crazy.
2013-03-11 11:29:56 AM
1 votes:

ongbok: maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.

Why is it weak? He was there to broker a peace deal, so he sat down an listened to what he had to say. Rick knows that they are tremendously outnumbered, and for all he knew if he would have killed the Governor there none of them would have walked away from the meeting alive, and the Governor's men would have finished the prison off and killed everybody inside.

So shooting him at that moment would have been stupid. Instead walking away and saying you would think about his demands was the smarter thing because know you have time to prepare yourself for the attack that you know is coming.


You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.
2013-03-11 11:26:27 AM
1 votes:
Why wouldn't they all be carrying swords or spears at this point? Andrea stabbing zombies in the eye with a pocket knife is so stupid. Don't put your fingers anywhere near the mouth, seems pretty common sense to me.

And one more here who thought the framing of the Maggie and glen scene indicated someone was about to get killed.
2013-03-11 11:19:58 AM
1 votes:

PsyLord: I was expecting a sniper shot to kill Maggie after she kissed Glenn last night.  Figured that whenever there is an emotional breakthrough, someone's gonna die.


I heard that Lauren Cohan was on Talking Dead and screamed, "Oh FARK! She's on the Death Couch!"

With that in mind, I would take Maggie and Glenn getting doubletapped by Carl to free up and the actors for the new HBO series, "Lauren and Steven Get Naked Early and Often", as a replacement for "Girls".
2013-03-11 11:08:01 AM
1 votes:

ranak: Andrea got told flat-out to go make someone a sandwich. Maybe that's the kick-in-the-ass she needs.


And the wheels started to turn in Milton's head.

Andrea and Milton make the perfect personification of Lily from the comics
2013-03-11 11:07:37 AM
1 votes:
Now I just imagine Steven Yeun at every read-through going, "DoMaggie and Glen get naked in this scene?"
"No, Steven." "How about this scene?" "No, Steven."
2013-03-11 11:03:50 AM
1 votes:
Andrea got told flat-out to go make someone a sandwich. Maybe that's the kick-in-the-ass she needs.
2013-03-11 10:49:47 AM
1 votes:

Weigard: The writing and directing in the meeting was garbage. All of the dialogue sounded like words just said to fill time, and the scenes themselves were disjointed.


This.  Too many blank stares and glaring without words.  To be fair, it's not the only show to suffer from this problem.

Compare and contrast to an Aaron Sorkin show.

Real life is chattery, with lots of movement.  TV and movie writers have gotten pretty bad at this.
2013-03-11 10:28:24 AM
1 votes:
I was hoping they'd both lapse into their British accents during those scenes.
2013-03-11 10:28:10 AM
1 votes:

lectos: Why are the zombies so easy to kill now?  You poke them in the eye and they die.  Why are they even a threat? BORING!

All characters on the show should wear this shirt:

[www.bothbigandclever.com image 599x624]


Maybe some have been around longer so they have been decaying more?  Also, the group has been killing zombies for a while now and are getting pretty good at it.  It's pretty easy to figure out zombies.  You know their motivation and how they behave.  Now the real threat are other humans.  So just like many of those space movies, you usually don't have to worry about aliens.  They are mostly harmless compared to your psychotic crew members.
2013-03-11 09:58:14 AM
1 votes:
Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.
2013-03-11 09:19:01 AM
1 votes:
I was ready to quit this show for good after this season's absolute atrocity of a premiere, but credit where it's due...these last two episodes have been two of the strongest in the entire series.
 
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