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2013-03-11 11:53:27 AM  
I haven't watched since Season 1.  Can I assume the show has long since devolved to the point where the zombies are little more than an afterthought?  A soap opera with the occasional random ugly dude?
 
2013-03-11 11:54:54 AM  

justtray: Terrible episode, again showing how inferior to the comic this show is.

In the comic Rick has no problem killing the leader of the prison group in cold blood during a zombie attack. In the show, he lets tons of people die, including the backpacker from last week. He knows the Governor is terrible, and the ring leader, that Andrea or puss McGee is 2nd in command and unlikely to lead a retribution. He knows they're going to attack his group anyway, they already DID attack and kill Axel. And yet, he doesn't kill him the first chance he gets.

And why didn't he? So that it kind of makes sense when tons of characters get wiped out in a few weeks because he didn't end it when he could have, and Andrea didn't end it when she should have, because only then will they realize the blatant and obvious truth knocked over their head again and again and again that the governor is a terrible, mashup character of Creed songs played over one another. "I'm evil, but I'm human, but I'm crazy, but I'm loved and justified."

I only watch now in hopes that Rick will die, Daryl will take the lead and the show will be renamed Duck Walking Dynasty.


I hear there are other shows on other channels you might like.
 
2013-03-11 11:55:36 AM  

Rickj: serial_crusher: lectos: Why are the zombies so easy to kill now?  You poke them in the eye and they die.  Why are they even a threat? BORING!

All characters on the show should wear this shirt:

[www.bothbigandclever.com image 599x624]

considering most of them have been dead for 3 years now, I'd say they're decomposing more slowly than average.


The zombies have been dead for a little over one year.  Or else Lori had a much longer pregnancy than 9 months.


There will always be new zombies.  Remember, they are all infected.  You don't have to die from a zombie bite to become a zombie.  Death from natural or unnatural causes will turn you into one as long as your brain is intact.  So even as the older zombies die out, if humans still are dying, more zombies will be made.
 
2013-03-11 11:55:59 AM  

justtray: In the comic Rick has no problem killing the leader of the prison group in cold blood during a zombie attack.


Wait.
there's a comic?
 
2013-03-11 11:57:21 AM  

GoldSpider: I haven't watched since Season 1.  Can I assume the show has long since devolved to the point where the zombies are little more than an afterthought?  A soap opera with the occasional random ugly dude?


That's right! No need to watch the show or follow the thread anymore. You're not missing anything at all, but thanks for popping in to share!
 
2013-03-11 11:58:32 AM  

NeoCortex42: Robert1966: "Dissemble" does not mean "disassemble."

[cache.gizmodo.com image 250x332]
No Disassemble!



media1.break.com

Ah yes!  I am seeing what you did there.  Very amusing I must say.
 
2013-03-11 11:58:36 AM  

serial_crusher: maverickzy: Cletus C.: Did I hear a baby crying occasionally during the meeting between Rick and the governor?

Wait... that wasn't just in my head?

Rick: "Where's Judith?"
Lori's Ghost: "She's in the Prison..."


Get in the house, Judith.
 
2013-03-11 11:58:49 AM  

PsyLord: There will always be new zombies. Remember, they are all infected. You don't have to die from a zombie bite to become a zombie. Death from natural or unnatural causes will turn you into one as long as your brain is intact. So even as the older zombies die out, if humans still are dying, more zombies will be made.


Yeah, but if humans were still dying in numbers that large, the group would have encountered a lot more survivors.  Most of those zombies died in the initial outbreak.

/ I figure everybody's poking muscles have gotten a little stronger too, with all that practice.
 
2013-03-11 12:00:43 PM  

vudukungfu: justtray: In the comic Rick has no problem killing the leader of the prison group in cold blood during a zombie attack.

Wait.
there's a comic?


CSB

My wife made fun of me for the longest for reading The Walking Dead. Then when the show came out I got even more grief for watching it. That was anyway until I got her to sit down for a few episodes of season 3. She was hooked and watched it front to back from season 1.

I walked in to our bedroom earlier this year and she had one of the issues from Volume 2 and was reading it. She looked up over the comic at me and said

"Shut up, shut up, I don't want to hear"
 
2013-03-11 12:03:14 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: vudukungfu: justtray: In the comic Rick has no problem killing the leader of the prison group in cold blood during a zombie attack.

Wait.
there's a comic?

CSB

My wife made fun of me for the longest for reading The Walking Dead. Then when the show came out I got even more grief for watching it. That was anyway until I got her to sit down for a few episodes of season 3. She was hooked and watched it front to back from season 1.

I walked in to our bedroom earlier this year and she had one of the issues from Volume 2 and was reading it. She looked up over the comic at me and said

"Shut up, shut up, I don't want to hear"


Cool story, Bro!

/I live for those moments
//been married 12 years, hapenned a handful of times
///slashies
 
2013-03-11 12:03:38 PM  
So if The Govna knows they got more guns...did he have someone follow them to Morgan's? And if so will he raid him, possibly kidnap? Or did he just see them going back to the prison and unloading? Things that make you say hmmm.
 
2013-03-11 12:07:37 PM  

serial_crusher: PsyLord: There will always be new zombies. Remember, they are all infected. You don't have to die from a zombie bite to become a zombie. Death from natural or unnatural causes will turn you into one as long as your brain is intact. So even as the older zombies die out, if humans still are dying, more zombies will be made.

Yeah, but if humans were still dying in numbers that large, the group would have encountered a lot more survivors.  Most of those zombies died in the initial outbreak.

/ I figure everybody's poking muscles have gotten a little stronger too, with all that practice.


Glenn's is... if you know what i mean

/yes you do
 
2013-03-11 12:08:36 PM  

kumanoki: That's right! No need to watch the show or follow the thread anymore. You're not missing anything at all, but thanks for popping in to share!


I'm just puzzled.  For a show that's presumably about a zombie apocalypse, I read very little about the show that has anything to do with zombies.
 
2013-03-11 12:08:48 PM  

Calypsocookie: So if The Govna knows they got more guns...did he have someone follow them to Morgan's? And if so will he raid him, possibly kidnap? Or did he just see them going back to the prison and unloading? Things that make you say hmmm.


It would make sense for Gov to have lookouts keeping an eye on things. And if they did back-track to where Morgan is holed up, they might drive him out. From what I understand, Morgan is suposed to be in a few more episodes. So Morgan either grabs a bus departing CrazyTown and shows up at the prison, or comes riding in to save the day when Gov attacks.
 
2013-03-11 12:14:07 PM  

GoldSpider: kumanoki: That's right! No need to watch the show or follow the thread anymore. You're not missing anything at all, but thanks for popping in to share!

I'm just puzzled.  For a show that's presumably about a zombie apocalypse, I read very little about the show that has anything to do with zombies.


I think this has been covered before, but the show is a drama. The drama involves people caught in a zombie apocalypse. So the zombies are set dressing.

It's kind of like how Buffy the Vampire Slayer just became Buffy because she wasnt really doing a whole lot of vampire slaying. The Walking Dead uses the zombies as a plot device to move the characters through the scenes.

It's not zombie pron. It's drama with zombies.
 
2013-03-11 12:15:08 PM  

ranak: It would make sense for Gov to have lookouts keeping an eye on things. And if they did back-track to where Morgan is holed up, they might drive him out. From what I understand, Morgan is suposed to be in a few more episodes. So Morgan either grabs a bus departing CrazyTown and shows up at the prison, or comes riding in to save the day when Gov attacks.


My take is that Rick's home town becomes a sanctuary once the prison and Woodbury fall, RIck knowing that yes Morgan is bat shiat insane but will not harm Rick and co.

GoldSpider: I'm just puzzled. For a show that's presumably about a zombie apocalypse, I read very little about the show that has anything to do with zombies.


Funny that, the source material has more character interactions and how people deal with the stress of separation, anxiety, and constant death. Sounds a lot like the show don't it?

kumanoki: //been married 12 years, hapenned a handful of times


I got a handful of them but damn if they aren't some of the best moments aren't they?
 
2013-03-11 12:15:41 PM  

ranak: Calypsocookie: So if The Govna knows they got more guns...did he have someone follow them to Morgan's? And if so will he raid him, possibly kidnap? Or did he just see them going back to the prison and unloading? Things that make you say hmmm.

It would make sense for Gov to have lookouts keeping an eye on things. And if they did back-track to where Morgan is holed up, they might drive him out. From what I understand, Morgan is suposed to be in a few more episodes. So Morgan either grabs a bus departing CrazyTown and shows up at the prison, or comes riding in to save the day when Gov attacks.


I hope he comes rolling in like the freaking black knight of the zombie apocalypse and lays waste to the Gov's forces in some epic manner.

You just see Morgan with a giant American flag taped to his car, LMG hanging out the window spraying bullets, and him just yelling FREEEEEEDDDOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM as he guns down Woodbury troops en mass. Would be glorious.
 
2013-03-11 12:16:42 PM  

GoldSpider: I haven't watched since Season 1.  Can I assume the show has long since devolved to the point where the zombies are little more than an afterthought?  A soap opera with the occasional random ugly dude?


It was always a drama series revolving around the characters involved.  The ZA just happens to be the backdrop.
 
2013-03-11 12:18:52 PM  

SithLord: GoldSpider: I haven't watched since Season 1.  Can I assume the show has long since devolved to the point where the zombies are little more than an afterthought?  A soap opera with the occasional random ugly dude?

It was always a drama series revolving around the characters involved.  The ZA just happens to be the backdrop.


When will people realize that, even though the show is based on a zombie apocalypse, the zombie murder is not the main focal point? We're 3 seasons deep and there's still those odd people who complain that every episode isn't balls to the wall zombie slaughter.
 
2013-03-11 12:18:57 PM  

Strategeryz0r: You just see Morgan with a giant American flag taped to his car, LMG hanging out the window spraying bullets, and him just yelling FREEEEEEDDDOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM CLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR as he guns down Woodbury troops en mass. Would be glorious.


There, fixed that
 
2013-03-11 12:19:16 PM  

GoldSpider: kumanoki: That's right! No need to watch the show or follow the thread anymore. You're not missing anything at all, but thanks for popping in to share!

I'm just puzzled.  For a show that's presumably about a zombie apocalypse, I read very little about the show that has anything to do with zombies.


The title of the show doesn't refer to the zombies.
 
2013-03-11 12:19:45 PM  

kumanoki: Now I just imagine Steven Yeun at every read-through going, "DoMaggie and Glen get naked in this scene?"
"No, Steven." "How about this scene?" "No, Steven."


Hey Steven, in this scene you're going to meet a new character named Negan for the first time... He likes to play baseball... Do you get naked with him? Well, no... not exactly...
 
2013-03-11 12:20:00 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Strategeryz0r: You just see Morgan with a giant American flag taped to his car, LMG hanging out the window spraying bullets, and him just yelling FREEEEEEDDDOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM CLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR as he guns down Woodbury troops en mass. Would be glorious.

There, fixed that


No, that'd be after they're all dead.

Regardless, I'll allow it.
 
2013-03-11 12:21:25 PM  

SithLord: GoldSpider: I haven't watched since Season 1.  Can I assume the show has long since devolved to the point where the zombies are little more than an afterthought?  A soap opera with the occasional random ugly dude?

It was always a drama series revolving around the characters involved.  The ZA just happens to be the backdrop.


Seriously, how boring would the show get if it was all about the Zombies?  Just 43 minutes of people tripping over their own feet while running away, or making the unwise decision to separate from the group.  Every.  Farking.  Week.
 
2013-03-11 12:22:31 PM  

Strategeryz0r: Regardless, I'll allow it.


*fist pump
 
2013-03-11 12:23:02 PM  

Weigard: The title of the show doesn't refer to the zombies.


Only at the end do we realize that it's the LIVING that are the "Walking Dead" and not the zombies!  M. Night Shyamalan couldn't have scripted it better.
 
2013-03-11 12:25:40 PM  

GoldSpider: I haven't watched since Season 1.  Can I assume the show has long since devolved to the point where the zombies are little more than an afterthought?  A soap opera with the occasional random ugly dude?


You sound 9.  If you just want to see zombie killing and not all this "devolved" (lol) nonsense like drama and story, then play a video game.  Or grow up.
 
2013-03-11 12:25:55 PM  

kumanoki: redmid17: You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.

Also- I seriously doubt the Governor has snipers posted around the prison. The shot that took down Axel was the declaration of war. But it's the preception that people are swarming around outside with high-powered rifles is exactly the right tactic to take to keep Rick's group scared and inside. Frankly, the Governor needs to keep his skilled people close to him to train the townies.


For some reason, this got me thinking about how interesting it would be if we had the inevitable showdown at the prison interrupted by a walker herd. Force enemies to work together against a common enemy, add a new dynamic to things.
 
2013-03-11 12:27:10 PM  

Hebalo: kumanoki: redmid17: You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.

Also- I seriously doubt the Governor has snipers posted around the prison. The shot that took down Axel was the declaration of war. But it's the preception that people are swarming around outside with high-powered rifles is exactly the right tactic to take to keep Rick's group scared and inside. Frankly, the Governor needs to keep his skilled people close to him to train the townies.

For some reason, this got me thinking about how interesting it would be if we had the inevitable showdown at the prison interrupted by a walker herd. Force enemies to work together against a common enemy, add a new dynamic to things.


Or the prison gang could just go take shelter in their cell block and let things work themselves out.
 
2013-03-11 12:28:26 PM  

serial_crusher: lectos: Why are the zombies so easy to kill now?  You poke them in the eye and they die.  Why are they even a threat? BORING!

All characters on the show should wear this shirt:

[www.bothbigandclever.com image 599x624]

considering most of them have been dead for 3 years now, I'd say they're decomposing more slowly than average.


1 television season =/= 1 in story year

This is possibly more grating than the people who think season breaks are the end of a season.
 
2013-03-11 12:29:07 PM  

Hebalo: For some reason, this got me thinking about how interesting it would be if we had the inevitable showdown at the prison interrupted by a walker herd. Force enemies to work together against a common enemy, add a new dynamic to things.


"Whether by bullets or teeth"
 
2013-03-11 12:29:11 PM  

Strategeryz0r: Hebalo: kumanoki: redmid17: You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.

Also- I seriously doubt the Governor has snipers posted around the prison. The shot that took down Axel was the declaration of war. But it's the preception that people are swarming around outside with high-powered rifles is exactly the right tactic to take to keep Rick's group scared and inside. Frankly, the Governor needs to keep his skilled people close to him to train the townies.

For some reason, this got me thinking about how interesting it would be if we had the inevitable showdown at the prison interrupted by a walker herd. Force enemies to work together against a common enemy, add a new dynamic to things.

Or the prison gang could just go take shelter in their cell block and let things work themselves out.


Boring. Both sides take shelter in the prison, as the walkers begin to break in. It's a literal and figurative prison now. Do you kill each other out of hate, or do you keep each other alive to preserve yourself? That's a season finale waiting to happen.
 
2013-03-11 12:30:18 PM  

Hebalo: Strategeryz0r: Hebalo: kumanoki: redmid17: You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.

Also- I seriously doubt the Governor has snipers posted around the prison. The shot that took down Axel was the declaration of war. But it's the preception that people are swarming around outside with high-powered rifles is exactly the right tactic to take to keep Rick's group scared and inside. Frankly, the Governor needs to keep his skilled people close to him to train the townies.

For some reason, this got me thinking about how interesting it would be if we had the inevitable showdown at the prison interrupted by a walker herd. Force enemies to work together against a common enemy, add a new dynamic to things.

Or the prison gang could just go take shelter in their cell block and let things work themselves out.

Boring. Both sides take shelter in the prison, as the walkers begin to break in. It's a literal and figurative prison now. Do you kill each other out of hate, or do you keep each other alive to preserve yourself? That's a season finale waiting to happen.


Neither.

You lock your best fighters in a cell with each other. Thunderdommmmmmeeeeeeee!
 
2013-03-11 12:36:49 PM  

Hebalo: For some reason, this got me thinking about how interesting it would be if we had the inevitable showdown at the prison interrupted by a walker herd. Force enemies to work together against a common enemy, add a new dynamic to things.


That could be cool if a herd just overwhelmed the whole prison yard during the final fight. That could be the pandemonium needed to really ignite the final episode.

However, it's been done. That's exactly how Season 2 ended.
 
2013-03-11 12:38:40 PM  
The big question is who will join Shane, Lori, Dale, T-Dog, Otis and farking Sophia by the end of the season.

My top 10 in order of likely to die:
Andrea
Milton
Hershel
Carol
Beth
Merle
Maggie
Judith (baby killing can be a delicate matter)
Michonne
Rick
Carl

(Daryl and Glenn are safe)
 
2013-03-11 12:42:18 PM  
I see the season ending with the prison being destroyed or damaged so badly that the crew will have to leave it.  In the chaos, most of the Governor's posse gets killed except for the Governor.  He and Milton will head back to Woodbury and be met with a zombie outbreak inside.  That old lady with arthritis will kick the bucket overnight and start having a midnight snack on the rest of the townsfolk.  The end will be when Andrea confronts the Governor but will hesitate to pull the trigger.  The Governor will seize on her hesitation and draw his gun.  But before he can pull the trigger, grandma zombie comes in and chews on him.  Andrea and Milton will escape and find Rick and join the crew.
 
2013-03-11 12:42:47 PM  

Cletus C.: The big question is who will join Shane, Lori, Dale, T-Dog, Otis and farking Sophia by the end of the season.

My top 10 in order of likely to die:
Andrea
Milton
Hershel

Carol
Beth
Merle
Maggie
Judith (baby killing can be a delicate matter)
Michonne
Rick
Carl

(Daryl and Glenn are safe)


Baby either dies or is taken by Beth with Herschel as they take their chances with Milton and the last remaining survivors  from Woodbury. Merle dies in a sacrifice of some sorts for either the group at large, or his brother. Carol commits suicide because she cannot take anymore death.

Maggie, Glenn and Daryl are going to live for at least one more season no more IMHO
 
2013-03-11 12:43:22 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: serial_crusher: lectos: Why are the zombies so easy to kill now?  You poke them in the eye and they die.  Why are they even a threat? BORING!

All characters on the show should wear this shirt:

[www.bothbigandclever.com image 599x624]

considering most of them have been dead for 3 years now, I'd say they're decomposing more slowly than average.

1 television season =/= 1 in story year

This is possibly more grating than the people who think season breaks are the end of a season.


Yeah, but everybody on TV apparently ages relative to real world time, regardless of how much time passes in the show.  I figure corpses rot at the same rate.

/ Then again, Fetal Judith aged in show-relative time, so maybe it's only "living" characters (using pro-choice version of "living") who age at real world rates, which would mean the zombies don't....
 
2013-03-11 12:44:25 PM  

kumanoki: Hebalo: For some reason, this got me thinking about how interesting it would be if we had the inevitable showdown at the prison interrupted by a walker herd. Force enemies to work together against a common enemy, add a new dynamic to things.

That could be cool if a herd just overwhelmed the whole prison yard during the final fight. That could be the pandemonium needed to really ignite the final episode.

However, it's been done. That's exactly how Season 2 ended.


So?  The comic did it repeatedly.
 
2013-03-11 12:45:53 PM  

kumanoki: However, it's been done. That's exactly how Season 2 ended.


Herd yes, middle of firefight with opposing force, no. Trapped in a prison, no.
 
2013-03-11 12:45:59 PM  
I want milton to draw some blood from Judith and find out she doesnt have the virus!
 
2013-03-11 12:47:59 PM  

RaiderFanMikeP: I want milton to draw some blood from Judith and find out she doesnt have the virus!


Interesting.

WTF was he thinking, trying to get a look at Hershel's stump on the first date?
 
2013-03-11 12:48:25 PM  

Cletus C.: My top 10 in order of likely to die:
Andrea
Milton
Hershel
Carol
Beth
Merle
Maggie
Judith (baby killing can be a delicate matter)
Michonne
Rick
Carl


(Daryl and Glenn are safe)


Rick and Carl will not die. They are the central protagonists.
 I think Andrea will survive, sadly. She is the writers' doll. She's going to get the kill on the Gov. They're setting her up for it.

But my question for everyone else is- how?

Herschel will die sniping. It's not like he can run.
Carol will die defending Judith.
Then Beth will take Judith and the Gov will cut them both down.
Merle will slink away, only to be killed by Michonne.
Milton dies at the hand of the Gov for betraying him.
 
2013-03-11 12:52:59 PM  

serial_crusher: I figure corpses rot at the same rate.


I know it's a completely different universe only using similar rules, but World War Z covers the idea that zombies take longer to rot simply because living things, from animals to bacteria, all have a natural tendency to want to avoid the zombie virus itself.  Thus, zombies in that universe are much more likely to deteriorate due to drying out than rotting away, because even the bacteria wants no part of it.

I mean, it IS a zombie show, and this explanation could easily be used to keep the zombies more or less Tupperware fresh for seasons to come.
 
2013-03-11 12:54:49 PM  

kumanoki: Herschel will die sniping. It's not like he can run.


Not if he has his Epic Shotgun of Unlimited Shells from the season 2 finale equipped.  Best gun I've ever found in Borderlands 2, too.
 
2013-03-11 12:55:41 PM  

kumanoki: Herschel will die sniping. It's not like he can run.
Carol will die defending Judith.


I was going to say Herschel sacrifices himself to buy time for the others, but that would be too cliche.

Herschel tries to sacrifice himself to save Judith and Carol, but Carol gets shot by one of the Governor's henchmen, so Herschel has to man up and rescue the baby.  Bonus if he has a small bite but gets Judith to safety before turning.
 
2013-03-11 12:55:45 PM  
Milton is going down, but not until after he switches sides.

Big bearded black guy in woodberry has an expiration date (surprised he's lasted this long)

If Glen survives past the last commercial break of the finale, he's got another season left
 
2013-03-11 12:56:39 PM  
What if Morgan is working for the Governor? What if they combine the Governor and Negan in the show into just the Governor?
 
2013-03-11 12:57:05 PM  
No mention of Rick calling him the town drunk? Were they implying Rick knew the governor or is that just the realization that he is a Joe Schmo who now has all this power?
 
2013-03-11 12:57:22 PM  

Shadowknight: serial_crusher: I figure corpses rot at the same rate.

I know it's a completely different universe only using similar rules, but World War Z covers the idea that zombies take longer to rot simply because living things, from animals to bacteria, all have a natural tendency to want to avoid the zombie virus itself.  Thus, zombies in that universe are much more likely to deteriorate due to drying out than rotting away, because even the bacteria wants no part of it.

I mean, it IS a zombie show, and this explanation could easily be used to keep the zombies more or less Tupperware fresh for seasons to come.


hmm, is it that the bacterias avoid the zombie virus, or that they become zombie-bacteria and feed on living bacteria instead of dead flesh?
 
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