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(Entertainment Weekly)   Robert Kirkman dissembles last night's The Walking Dead, reminds us again that it's a TV show, not a comic book and that Steven Yeun is always asking to "get naked"   (insidetv.ew.com ) divider line
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2013-03-11 09:12:24 AM  
Very good episode last night.
 
2013-03-11 09:19:01 AM  
I was ready to quit this show for good after this season's absolute atrocity of a premiere, but credit where it's due...these last two episodes have been two of the strongest in the entire series.
 
2013-03-11 09:52:13 AM  
So Andrea told the Governor all about the whole Rick-Shane-Lori paternity thing? They must have some weird pillow talk.
 
2013-03-11 09:58:14 AM  
Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.
 
2013-03-11 10:03:04 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I was ready to quit this show for good after this season's absolute atrocity of a premiere, but credit where it's due...these last two episodes have been two of the strongest in the entire series.


Ryan Coleman was behind the writing of this one, great writer all around.

In fact, if I had to guess its almost as if they switched writing crew and direction midway through production. Because though while this season has been great IMHO, much better than 2, the difference between the first half of season 3 and this half are almost night and day.
 
2013-03-11 10:10:21 AM  
I was expecting a sniper shot to kill Maggie after she kissed Glenn last night.  Figured that whenever there is an emotional breakthrough, someone's gonna die.
 
2013-03-11 10:11:42 AM  

PsyLord: I was expecting a sniper shot to kill Maggie after she kissed Glenn last night.  Figured that whenever there is an emotional breakthrough, someone's gonna die.


Yeah I expected something to happen also. It's apparent the Gov has spies on them...
 
2013-03-11 10:15:50 AM  

maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.


I'm guessing the Hague Convention doesn't apply in a zombie apocalypse, but, c'mon, it would still be rude to kill someone under a flag of truce.
 
2013-03-11 10:19:13 AM  
Why are the zombies so easy to kill now?  You poke them in the eye and they die.  Why are they even a threat? BORING!

All characters on the show should wear this shirt:

www.bothbigandclever.com
 
2013-03-11 10:20:14 AM  
The writing and directing in the meeting was garbage. All of the dialogue sounded like words just said to fill time, and the scenes themselves were disjointed.
 
2013-03-11 10:28:10 AM  

lectos: Why are the zombies so easy to kill now?  You poke them in the eye and they die.  Why are they even a threat? BORING!

All characters on the show should wear this shirt:

[www.bothbigandclever.com image 599x624]


Maybe some have been around longer so they have been decaying more?  Also, the group has been killing zombies for a while now and are getting pretty good at it.  It's pretty easy to figure out zombies.  You know their motivation and how they behave.  Now the real threat are other humans.  So just like many of those space movies, you usually don't have to worry about aliens.  They are mostly harmless compared to your psychotic crew members.
 
2013-03-11 10:28:24 AM  
I was hoping they'd both lapse into their British accents during those scenes.
 
2013-03-11 10:30:23 AM  

CarnySaur: I was hoping they'd both lapse into their British accents during those scenes.


Andrew Lincoln once talked about how he has the same problem that most British actors do when performing in an 'American' accent in that certain words will always trigger their native sound so sometimes script rewrites are done on the fly for dialogue to avoid those trigger words.
 
2013-03-11 10:33:07 AM  

maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.


3 more episodes
 
2013-03-11 10:36:34 AM  
For some reason, I thought last night was the season finale, and spent the entire episode waiting for something jaw-dropping to happen.  I'll have to go back and watch it with the right perspective.
 
2013-03-11 10:38:43 AM  
"Dissemble" does not mean "disassemble."
 
2013-03-11 10:46:33 AM  

Robert1966: "Dissemble" does not mean "disassemble."


cache.gizmodo.com
No Disassemble!
 
2013-03-11 10:49:21 AM  
It was an excellent episode. Like others, I was expecting something to happen when Glenn and Maggie were having their make-up sex. They seemed to be foreshadowing something. Regardless, makes you long for HBO when Maggie is headed for a sex scene.

Did I hear a baby crying occasionally during the meeting between Rick and the governor?

Also, Darrell aren't you aware of the dangers of smoking? That could seriously mess with your life expectancy.
 
2013-03-11 10:49:47 AM  

Weigard: The writing and directing in the meeting was garbage. All of the dialogue sounded like words just said to fill time, and the scenes themselves were disjointed.


This.  Too many blank stares and glaring without words.  To be fair, it's not the only show to suffer from this problem.

Compare and contrast to an Aaron Sorkin show.

Real life is chattery, with lots of movement.  TV and movie writers have gotten pretty bad at this.
 
2013-03-11 10:52:22 AM  

Cletus C.: Also, Darrell aren't you aware of the dangers of smoking? That could seriously mess with your life expectancy.


Can you even imagine how stale they would be after this long?
 
2013-03-11 10:54:27 AM  

Cletus C.: Like others, I was expecting something to happen when Glenn and Maggie were having their make-up sex. They seemed to be foreshadowing something. Regardless, makes you long for HBO when Maggie is headed for a sex scene.


Considering what everyone has been through and the present dangers of zombies and humans, you'd think they could get somebody else to cover the watch for a bit.  It seems like it would be incredibly easy to ambush the prison at the moment.
 
2013-03-11 10:59:30 AM  

Cletus C.: Did I hear a baby crying occasionally during the meeting between Rick and the governor?


Wait... that wasn't just in my head?
 
2013-03-11 11:03:50 AM  
Andrea got told flat-out to go make someone a sandwich. Maybe that's the kick-in-the-ass she needs.
 
2013-03-11 11:07:37 AM  
Now I just imagine Steven Yeun at every read-through going, "DoMaggie and Glen get naked in this scene?"
"No, Steven." "How about this scene?" "No, Steven."
 
2013-03-11 11:08:01 AM  

ranak: Andrea got told flat-out to go make someone a sandwich. Maybe that's the kick-in-the-ass she needs.


And the wheels started to turn in Milton's head.

Andrea and Milton make the perfect personification of Lily from the comics
 
2013-03-11 11:08:19 AM  

Sybarite: So Andrea told the Governor all about the whole Rick-Shane-Lori paternity thing? They must have some weird pillow talk.


Rick must be a lot stronger than me because I would have slapped the shiat out of her for that.
 
2013-03-11 11:11:06 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: ranak: Andrea got told flat-out to go make someone a sandwich. Maybe that's the kick-in-the-ass she needs.

And the wheels started to turn in Milton's head.


Andrea's as well. And if next week is to be believed, then she'll pull in Tyrese and his group to help her out.
 
2013-03-11 11:17:19 AM  

Robert1966: "Dissemble" does not mean "disassemble."


Waiting for "common usage says it's OK" people.
 
2013-03-11 11:18:15 AM  
What did the episode title mean?  "Arrow on the Doorstop."
 
2013-03-11 11:19:58 AM  

PsyLord: I was expecting a sniper shot to kill Maggie after she kissed Glenn last night.  Figured that whenever there is an emotional breakthrough, someone's gonna die.


I heard that Lauren Cohan was on Talking Dead and screamed, "Oh FARK! She's on the Death Couch!"

With that in mind, I would take Maggie and Glenn getting doubletapped by Carl to free up and the actors for the new HBO series, "Lauren and Steven Get Naked Early and Often", as a replacement for "Girls".
 
2013-03-11 11:20:50 AM  

theurge14: Compare and contrast to an Aaron Sorkin show.


Yeah, the prison has plenty of corridors where they can walk and talk quickly in the same clever voice.

I'll take the blank stares and glaring.
 
2013-03-11 11:21:23 AM  

maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.


Why is it weak? He was there to broker a peace deal, so he sat down an listened to what he had to say. Rick knows that they are tremendously outnumbered, and for all he knew if he would have killed the Governor there none of them would have walked away from the meeting alive, and the Governor's men would have finished the prison off and killed everybody inside.

So shooting him at that moment would have been stupid. Instead walking away and saying you would think about his demands was the smarter thing because know you have time to prepare yourself for the attack that you know is coming.
 
2013-03-11 11:22:12 AM  

maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.


I'm thinking he has common sense enough to know that if the Governor ends up dead at this meeting, there are probably standing orders for his little ragtag army to level the prison by any means necessary.  Figured he might want to be there to help defend it instead.
 
2013-03-11 11:23:51 AM  

maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.


Kill the Governor, and what then? Survive the henchmen ready to shoot out Rick's crew? And you think that was ALL of the Governor's people that came with itchy trigger fingers?

Nope, unless Rick wanted everyone to die together, he let him walk.
 
2013-03-11 11:25:20 AM  

ranak: MyKingdomForYourHorse: ranak: Andrea got told flat-out to go make someone a sandwich. Maybe that's the kick-in-the-ass she needs.

And the wheels started to turn in Milton's head.

Andrea's as well. And if next week is to be believed, then she'll pull in Tyrese and his group to help her out.


It'll be interesting how they pull Tyrese in at this point given that the Gov decapitated him in the comics. Maybe they will stretch the Gov into Season 4.

dajoro: What did the episode title mean?  "Arrow on the Doorstop."


Bob Dylan - Blind Willie

Seen the arrow on the doorpost
Saying, "This land is condemned
All the way from New Orleans
To Jerusalem."
 
2013-03-11 11:26:27 AM  
Why wouldn't they all be carrying swords or spears at this point? Andrea stabbing zombies in the eye with a pocket knife is so stupid. Don't put your fingers anywhere near the mouth, seems pretty common sense to me.

And one more here who thought the framing of the Maggie and glen scene indicated someone was about to get killed.
 
2013-03-11 11:28:01 AM  

dajoro: What did the episode title mean?  "Arrow on the Doorstop."


Maybe something about making an open declaration of war?

Or someone took a doorstop to the knee.
 
2013-03-11 11:29:56 AM  

ongbok: maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.

Why is it weak? He was there to broker a peace deal, so he sat down an listened to what he had to say. Rick knows that they are tremendously outnumbered, and for all he knew if he would have killed the Governor there none of them would have walked away from the meeting alive, and the Governor's men would have finished the prison off and killed everybody inside.

So shooting him at that moment would have been stupid. Instead walking away and saying you would think about his demands was the smarter thing because know you have time to prepare yourself for the attack that you know is coming.


You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.
 
2013-03-11 11:30:07 AM  

Sybarite: So Andrea told the Governor all about the whole Rick-Shane-Lori paternity thing? They must have some weird pillow talk.


I imagine there was at least one round of "tell me everything you know about this guy".

Could have also been New Black Guy and his group.  They were at the prison during Rick's meltdown.  Stands to reason that somebody might have white nighted for him and explained to them all the good reasons he had for going crazy.
 
2013-03-11 11:31:58 AM  

Robert1966: "Dissemble" does not mean "disassemble."


Well, you saved me from having to look up an Inigo Montoya pic.
 
2013-03-11 11:32:26 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: ranak: MyKingdomForYourHorse: ranak: Andrea got told flat-out to go make someone a sandwich. Maybe that's the kick-in-the-ass she needs.

And the wheels started to turn in Milton's head.

Andrea's as well. And if next week is to be believed, then she'll pull in Tyrese and his group to help her out.

It'll be interesting how they pull Tyrese in at this point given that the Gov decapitated him in the comics. Maybe they will stretch the Gov into Season 4.

dajoro: What did the episode title mean?  "Arrow on the Doorstop."

Bob Dylan - Blind Willie

Seen the arrow on the doorpost
Saying, "This land is condemned
All the way from New Orleans
To Jerusalem."


I think that season 4 will be about them running into the group that they had the skirmish with in the town by Hershel's farm.
 
2013-03-11 11:32:36 AM  

Champion of the Sun: Why wouldn't they all be carrying swords or spears at this point? Andrea stabbing zombies in the eye with a pocket knife is so stupid. Don't put your fingers anywhere near the mouth, seems pretty common sense to me.

And one more here who thought the framing of the Maggie and glen scene indicated someone was about to get killed.


They need to bring back either the testudo or the phalanx. Well I guess a modified testudo since it's not like the zombies are launching arrows or rocks.
 
2013-03-11 11:33:32 AM  

maverickzy: Cletus C.: Did I hear a baby crying occasionally during the meeting between Rick and the governor?

Wait... that wasn't just in my head?


Rick: "Where's Judith?"
Lori's Ghost: "She's in the Prison..."
 
2013-03-11 11:36:19 AM  

lectos: Why are the zombies so easy to kill now?  You poke them in the eye and they die.  Why are they even a threat? BORING!

All characters on the show should wear this shirt:

[www.bothbigandclever.com image 599x624]


considering most of them have been dead for 3 years now, I'd say they're decomposing more slowly than average.
 
2013-03-11 11:39:03 AM  

redmid17: You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.


Also- I seriously doubt the Governor has snipers posted around the prison. The shot that took down Axel was the declaration of war. But it's the preception that people are swarming around outside with high-powered rifles is exactly the right tactic to take to keep Rick's group scared and inside. Frankly, the Governor needs to keep his skilled people close to him to train the townies.
 
2013-03-11 11:39:05 AM  

ongbok: I think that season 4 will be about them running into the group that they had the skirmish with in the town by Hershel's farm.


I'm hoping they do that and it ends up that they were part of the larger group known as The Saviors from the comics
 
2013-03-11 11:41:45 AM  

kumanoki: redmid17: You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.

Also- I seriously doubt the Governor has snipers posted around the prison. The shot that took down Axel was the declaration of war. But it's the preception that people are swarming around outside with high-powered rifles is exactly the right tactic to take to keep Rick's group scared and inside. Frankly, the Governor needs to keep his skilled people close to him to train the townies.


He has somebody watching it. Remember when he told Rick that that was a nice haul of guns they got? He knew that they went out and found some guns after the attack.
 
2013-03-11 11:42:00 AM  

serial_crusher: lectos: Why are the zombies so easy to kill now?  You poke them in the eye and they die.  Why are they even a threat? BORING!

All characters on the show should wear this shirt:

[www.bothbigandclever.com image 599x624]

considering most of them have been dead for 3 years now, I'd say they're decomposing more slowly than average.



The zombies have been dead for a little over one year.  Or else Lori had a much longer pregnancy than 9 months.
 
2013-03-11 11:45:04 AM  

ongbok: kumanoki: redmid17: You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.

Also- I seriously doubt the Governor has snipers posted around the prison. The shot that took down Axel was the declaration of war. But it's the preception that people are swarming around outside with high-powered rifles is exactly the right tactic to take to keep Rick's group scared and inside. Frankly, the Governor needs to keep his skilled people close to him to train the townies.

He has somebody watching it. Remember when he told Rick that that was a nice haul of guns they got? He knew that they went out and found some guns after the attack.


Oh yeah. He did say that.

Also, wouldn't it be great if the Gov used Andrea as a shield to bust into the prison?
 
2013-03-11 11:50:32 AM  
Terrible episode, again showing how inferior to the comic this show is.

In the comic Rick has no problem killing the leader of the prison group in cold blood during a zombie attack. In the show, he lets tons of people die, including the backpacker from last week. He knows the Governor is terrible, and the ring leader, that Andrea or puss McGee is 2nd in command and unlikely to lead a retribution. He knows they're going to attack his group anyway, they already DID attack and kill Axel. And yet, he doesn't kill him the first chance he gets.

And why didn't he? So that it kind of makes sense when tons of characters get wiped out in a few weeks because he didn't end it when he could have, and Andrea didn't end it when she should have, because only then will they realize the blatant and obvious truth knocked over their head again and again and again that the governor is a terrible, mashup character of Creed songs played over one another. "I'm evil, but I'm human, but I'm crazy, but I'm loved and justified."

I only watch now in hopes that Rick will die, Daryl will take the lead and the show will be renamed Duck Walking Dynasty.
 
2013-03-11 11:53:27 AM  
I haven't watched since Season 1.  Can I assume the show has long since devolved to the point where the zombies are little more than an afterthought?  A soap opera with the occasional random ugly dude?
 
2013-03-11 11:54:54 AM  

justtray: Terrible episode, again showing how inferior to the comic this show is.

In the comic Rick has no problem killing the leader of the prison group in cold blood during a zombie attack. In the show, he lets tons of people die, including the backpacker from last week. He knows the Governor is terrible, and the ring leader, that Andrea or puss McGee is 2nd in command and unlikely to lead a retribution. He knows they're going to attack his group anyway, they already DID attack and kill Axel. And yet, he doesn't kill him the first chance he gets.

And why didn't he? So that it kind of makes sense when tons of characters get wiped out in a few weeks because he didn't end it when he could have, and Andrea didn't end it when she should have, because only then will they realize the blatant and obvious truth knocked over their head again and again and again that the governor is a terrible, mashup character of Creed songs played over one another. "I'm evil, but I'm human, but I'm crazy, but I'm loved and justified."

I only watch now in hopes that Rick will die, Daryl will take the lead and the show will be renamed Duck Walking Dynasty.


I hear there are other shows on other channels you might like.
 
2013-03-11 11:55:36 AM  

Rickj: serial_crusher: lectos: Why are the zombies so easy to kill now?  You poke them in the eye and they die.  Why are they even a threat? BORING!

All characters on the show should wear this shirt:

[www.bothbigandclever.com image 599x624]

considering most of them have been dead for 3 years now, I'd say they're decomposing more slowly than average.


The zombies have been dead for a little over one year.  Or else Lori had a much longer pregnancy than 9 months.


There will always be new zombies.  Remember, they are all infected.  You don't have to die from a zombie bite to become a zombie.  Death from natural or unnatural causes will turn you into one as long as your brain is intact.  So even as the older zombies die out, if humans still are dying, more zombies will be made.
 
2013-03-11 11:55:59 AM  

justtray: In the comic Rick has no problem killing the leader of the prison group in cold blood during a zombie attack.


Wait.
there's a comic?
 
2013-03-11 11:57:21 AM  

GoldSpider: I haven't watched since Season 1.  Can I assume the show has long since devolved to the point where the zombies are little more than an afterthought?  A soap opera with the occasional random ugly dude?


That's right! No need to watch the show or follow the thread anymore. You're not missing anything at all, but thanks for popping in to share!
 
2013-03-11 11:58:32 AM  

NeoCortex42: Robert1966: "Dissemble" does not mean "disassemble."

[cache.gizmodo.com image 250x332]
No Disassemble!



media1.break.com

Ah yes!  I am seeing what you did there.  Very amusing I must say.
 
2013-03-11 11:58:36 AM  

serial_crusher: maverickzy: Cletus C.: Did I hear a baby crying occasionally during the meeting between Rick and the governor?

Wait... that wasn't just in my head?

Rick: "Where's Judith?"
Lori's Ghost: "She's in the Prison..."


Get in the house, Judith.
 
2013-03-11 11:58:49 AM  

PsyLord: There will always be new zombies. Remember, they are all infected. You don't have to die from a zombie bite to become a zombie. Death from natural or unnatural causes will turn you into one as long as your brain is intact. So even as the older zombies die out, if humans still are dying, more zombies will be made.


Yeah, but if humans were still dying in numbers that large, the group would have encountered a lot more survivors.  Most of those zombies died in the initial outbreak.

/ I figure everybody's poking muscles have gotten a little stronger too, with all that practice.
 
2013-03-11 12:00:43 PM  

vudukungfu: justtray: In the comic Rick has no problem killing the leader of the prison group in cold blood during a zombie attack.

Wait.
there's a comic?


CSB

My wife made fun of me for the longest for reading The Walking Dead. Then when the show came out I got even more grief for watching it. That was anyway until I got her to sit down for a few episodes of season 3. She was hooked and watched it front to back from season 1.

I walked in to our bedroom earlier this year and she had one of the issues from Volume 2 and was reading it. She looked up over the comic at me and said

"Shut up, shut up, I don't want to hear"
 
2013-03-11 12:03:14 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: vudukungfu: justtray: In the comic Rick has no problem killing the leader of the prison group in cold blood during a zombie attack.

Wait.
there's a comic?

CSB

My wife made fun of me for the longest for reading The Walking Dead. Then when the show came out I got even more grief for watching it. That was anyway until I got her to sit down for a few episodes of season 3. She was hooked and watched it front to back from season 1.

I walked in to our bedroom earlier this year and she had one of the issues from Volume 2 and was reading it. She looked up over the comic at me and said

"Shut up, shut up, I don't want to hear"


Cool story, Bro!

/I live for those moments
//been married 12 years, hapenned a handful of times
///slashies
 
2013-03-11 12:03:38 PM  
So if The Govna knows they got more guns...did he have someone follow them to Morgan's? And if so will he raid him, possibly kidnap? Or did he just see them going back to the prison and unloading? Things that make you say hmmm.
 
2013-03-11 12:07:37 PM  

serial_crusher: PsyLord: There will always be new zombies. Remember, they are all infected. You don't have to die from a zombie bite to become a zombie. Death from natural or unnatural causes will turn you into one as long as your brain is intact. So even as the older zombies die out, if humans still are dying, more zombies will be made.

Yeah, but if humans were still dying in numbers that large, the group would have encountered a lot more survivors.  Most of those zombies died in the initial outbreak.

/ I figure everybody's poking muscles have gotten a little stronger too, with all that practice.


Glenn's is... if you know what i mean

/yes you do
 
2013-03-11 12:08:36 PM  

kumanoki: That's right! No need to watch the show or follow the thread anymore. You're not missing anything at all, but thanks for popping in to share!


I'm just puzzled.  For a show that's presumably about a zombie apocalypse, I read very little about the show that has anything to do with zombies.
 
2013-03-11 12:08:48 PM  

Calypsocookie: So if The Govna knows they got more guns...did he have someone follow them to Morgan's? And if so will he raid him, possibly kidnap? Or did he just see them going back to the prison and unloading? Things that make you say hmmm.


It would make sense for Gov to have lookouts keeping an eye on things. And if they did back-track to where Morgan is holed up, they might drive him out. From what I understand, Morgan is suposed to be in a few more episodes. So Morgan either grabs a bus departing CrazyTown and shows up at the prison, or comes riding in to save the day when Gov attacks.
 
2013-03-11 12:14:07 PM  

GoldSpider: kumanoki: That's right! No need to watch the show or follow the thread anymore. You're not missing anything at all, but thanks for popping in to share!

I'm just puzzled.  For a show that's presumably about a zombie apocalypse, I read very little about the show that has anything to do with zombies.


I think this has been covered before, but the show is a drama. The drama involves people caught in a zombie apocalypse. So the zombies are set dressing.

It's kind of like how Buffy the Vampire Slayer just became Buffy because she wasnt really doing a whole lot of vampire slaying. The Walking Dead uses the zombies as a plot device to move the characters through the scenes.

It's not zombie pron. It's drama with zombies.
 
2013-03-11 12:15:08 PM  

ranak: It would make sense for Gov to have lookouts keeping an eye on things. And if they did back-track to where Morgan is holed up, they might drive him out. From what I understand, Morgan is suposed to be in a few more episodes. So Morgan either grabs a bus departing CrazyTown and shows up at the prison, or comes riding in to save the day when Gov attacks.


My take is that Rick's home town becomes a sanctuary once the prison and Woodbury fall, RIck knowing that yes Morgan is bat shiat insane but will not harm Rick and co.

GoldSpider: I'm just puzzled. For a show that's presumably about a zombie apocalypse, I read very little about the show that has anything to do with zombies.


Funny that, the source material has more character interactions and how people deal with the stress of separation, anxiety, and constant death. Sounds a lot like the show don't it?

kumanoki: //been married 12 years, hapenned a handful of times


I got a handful of them but damn if they aren't some of the best moments aren't they?
 
2013-03-11 12:15:41 PM  

ranak: Calypsocookie: So if The Govna knows they got more guns...did he have someone follow them to Morgan's? And if so will he raid him, possibly kidnap? Or did he just see them going back to the prison and unloading? Things that make you say hmmm.

It would make sense for Gov to have lookouts keeping an eye on things. And if they did back-track to where Morgan is holed up, they might drive him out. From what I understand, Morgan is suposed to be in a few more episodes. So Morgan either grabs a bus departing CrazyTown and shows up at the prison, or comes riding in to save the day when Gov attacks.


I hope he comes rolling in like the freaking black knight of the zombie apocalypse and lays waste to the Gov's forces in some epic manner.

You just see Morgan with a giant American flag taped to his car, LMG hanging out the window spraying bullets, and him just yelling FREEEEEEDDDOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM as he guns down Woodbury troops en mass. Would be glorious.
 
2013-03-11 12:16:42 PM  

GoldSpider: I haven't watched since Season 1.  Can I assume the show has long since devolved to the point where the zombies are little more than an afterthought?  A soap opera with the occasional random ugly dude?


It was always a drama series revolving around the characters involved.  The ZA just happens to be the backdrop.
 
2013-03-11 12:18:52 PM  

SithLord: GoldSpider: I haven't watched since Season 1.  Can I assume the show has long since devolved to the point where the zombies are little more than an afterthought?  A soap opera with the occasional random ugly dude?

It was always a drama series revolving around the characters involved.  The ZA just happens to be the backdrop.


When will people realize that, even though the show is based on a zombie apocalypse, the zombie murder is not the main focal point? We're 3 seasons deep and there's still those odd people who complain that every episode isn't balls to the wall zombie slaughter.
 
2013-03-11 12:18:57 PM  

Strategeryz0r: You just see Morgan with a giant American flag taped to his car, LMG hanging out the window spraying bullets, and him just yelling FREEEEEEDDDOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM CLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR as he guns down Woodbury troops en mass. Would be glorious.


There, fixed that
 
2013-03-11 12:19:16 PM  

GoldSpider: kumanoki: That's right! No need to watch the show or follow the thread anymore. You're not missing anything at all, but thanks for popping in to share!

I'm just puzzled.  For a show that's presumably about a zombie apocalypse, I read very little about the show that has anything to do with zombies.


The title of the show doesn't refer to the zombies.
 
2013-03-11 12:19:45 PM  

kumanoki: Now I just imagine Steven Yeun at every read-through going, "DoMaggie and Glen get naked in this scene?"
"No, Steven." "How about this scene?" "No, Steven."


Hey Steven, in this scene you're going to meet a new character named Negan for the first time... He likes to play baseball... Do you get naked with him? Well, no... not exactly...
 
2013-03-11 12:20:00 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Strategeryz0r: You just see Morgan with a giant American flag taped to his car, LMG hanging out the window spraying bullets, and him just yelling FREEEEEEDDDOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM CLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR as he guns down Woodbury troops en mass. Would be glorious.

There, fixed that


No, that'd be after they're all dead.

Regardless, I'll allow it.
 
2013-03-11 12:21:25 PM  

SithLord: GoldSpider: I haven't watched since Season 1.  Can I assume the show has long since devolved to the point where the zombies are little more than an afterthought?  A soap opera with the occasional random ugly dude?

It was always a drama series revolving around the characters involved.  The ZA just happens to be the backdrop.


Seriously, how boring would the show get if it was all about the Zombies?  Just 43 minutes of people tripping over their own feet while running away, or making the unwise decision to separate from the group.  Every.  Farking.  Week.
 
2013-03-11 12:22:31 PM  

Strategeryz0r: Regardless, I'll allow it.


*fist pump
 
2013-03-11 12:23:02 PM  

Weigard: The title of the show doesn't refer to the zombies.


Only at the end do we realize that it's the LIVING that are the "Walking Dead" and not the zombies!  M. Night Shyamalan couldn't have scripted it better.
 
2013-03-11 12:25:40 PM  

GoldSpider: I haven't watched since Season 1.  Can I assume the show has long since devolved to the point where the zombies are little more than an afterthought?  A soap opera with the occasional random ugly dude?


You sound 9.  If you just want to see zombie killing and not all this "devolved" (lol) nonsense like drama and story, then play a video game.  Or grow up.
 
2013-03-11 12:25:55 PM  

kumanoki: redmid17: You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.

Also- I seriously doubt the Governor has snipers posted around the prison. The shot that took down Axel was the declaration of war. But it's the preception that people are swarming around outside with high-powered rifles is exactly the right tactic to take to keep Rick's group scared and inside. Frankly, the Governor needs to keep his skilled people close to him to train the townies.


For some reason, this got me thinking about how interesting it would be if we had the inevitable showdown at the prison interrupted by a walker herd. Force enemies to work together against a common enemy, add a new dynamic to things.
 
2013-03-11 12:27:10 PM  

Hebalo: kumanoki: redmid17: You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.

Also- I seriously doubt the Governor has snipers posted around the prison. The shot that took down Axel was the declaration of war. But it's the preception that people are swarming around outside with high-powered rifles is exactly the right tactic to take to keep Rick's group scared and inside. Frankly, the Governor needs to keep his skilled people close to him to train the townies.

For some reason, this got me thinking about how interesting it would be if we had the inevitable showdown at the prison interrupted by a walker herd. Force enemies to work together against a common enemy, add a new dynamic to things.


Or the prison gang could just go take shelter in their cell block and let things work themselves out.
 
2013-03-11 12:28:26 PM  

serial_crusher: lectos: Why are the zombies so easy to kill now?  You poke them in the eye and they die.  Why are they even a threat? BORING!

All characters on the show should wear this shirt:

[www.bothbigandclever.com image 599x624]

considering most of them have been dead for 3 years now, I'd say they're decomposing more slowly than average.


1 television season =/= 1 in story year

This is possibly more grating than the people who think season breaks are the end of a season.
 
2013-03-11 12:29:07 PM  

Hebalo: For some reason, this got me thinking about how interesting it would be if we had the inevitable showdown at the prison interrupted by a walker herd. Force enemies to work together against a common enemy, add a new dynamic to things.


"Whether by bullets or teeth"
 
2013-03-11 12:29:11 PM  

Strategeryz0r: Hebalo: kumanoki: redmid17: You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.

Also- I seriously doubt the Governor has snipers posted around the prison. The shot that took down Axel was the declaration of war. But it's the preception that people are swarming around outside with high-powered rifles is exactly the right tactic to take to keep Rick's group scared and inside. Frankly, the Governor needs to keep his skilled people close to him to train the townies.

For some reason, this got me thinking about how interesting it would be if we had the inevitable showdown at the prison interrupted by a walker herd. Force enemies to work together against a common enemy, add a new dynamic to things.

Or the prison gang could just go take shelter in their cell block and let things work themselves out.


Boring. Both sides take shelter in the prison, as the walkers begin to break in. It's a literal and figurative prison now. Do you kill each other out of hate, or do you keep each other alive to preserve yourself? That's a season finale waiting to happen.
 
2013-03-11 12:30:18 PM  

Hebalo: Strategeryz0r: Hebalo: kumanoki: redmid17: You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.

Also- I seriously doubt the Governor has snipers posted around the prison. The shot that took down Axel was the declaration of war. But it's the preception that people are swarming around outside with high-powered rifles is exactly the right tactic to take to keep Rick's group scared and inside. Frankly, the Governor needs to keep his skilled people close to him to train the townies.

For some reason, this got me thinking about how interesting it would be if we had the inevitable showdown at the prison interrupted by a walker herd. Force enemies to work together against a common enemy, add a new dynamic to things.

Or the prison gang could just go take shelter in their cell block and let things work themselves out.

Boring. Both sides take shelter in the prison, as the walkers begin to break in. It's a literal and figurative prison now. Do you kill each other out of hate, or do you keep each other alive to preserve yourself? That's a season finale waiting to happen.


Neither.

You lock your best fighters in a cell with each other. Thunderdommmmmmeeeeeeee!
 
2013-03-11 12:36:49 PM  

Hebalo: For some reason, this got me thinking about how interesting it would be if we had the inevitable showdown at the prison interrupted by a walker herd. Force enemies to work together against a common enemy, add a new dynamic to things.


That could be cool if a herd just overwhelmed the whole prison yard during the final fight. That could be the pandemonium needed to really ignite the final episode.

However, it's been done. That's exactly how Season 2 ended.
 
2013-03-11 12:38:40 PM  
The big question is who will join Shane, Lori, Dale, T-Dog, Otis and farking Sophia by the end of the season.

My top 10 in order of likely to die:
Andrea
Milton
Hershel
Carol
Beth
Merle
Maggie
Judith (baby killing can be a delicate matter)
Michonne
Rick
Carl

(Daryl and Glenn are safe)
 
2013-03-11 12:42:18 PM  
I see the season ending with the prison being destroyed or damaged so badly that the crew will have to leave it.  In the chaos, most of the Governor's posse gets killed except for the Governor.  He and Milton will head back to Woodbury and be met with a zombie outbreak inside.  That old lady with arthritis will kick the bucket overnight and start having a midnight snack on the rest of the townsfolk.  The end will be when Andrea confronts the Governor but will hesitate to pull the trigger.  The Governor will seize on her hesitation and draw his gun.  But before he can pull the trigger, grandma zombie comes in and chews on him.  Andrea and Milton will escape and find Rick and join the crew.
 
2013-03-11 12:42:47 PM  

Cletus C.: The big question is who will join Shane, Lori, Dale, T-Dog, Otis and farking Sophia by the end of the season.

My top 10 in order of likely to die:
Andrea
Milton
Hershel

Carol
Beth
Merle
Maggie
Judith (baby killing can be a delicate matter)
Michonne
Rick
Carl

(Daryl and Glenn are safe)


Baby either dies or is taken by Beth with Herschel as they take their chances with Milton and the last remaining survivors  from Woodbury. Merle dies in a sacrifice of some sorts for either the group at large, or his brother. Carol commits suicide because she cannot take anymore death.

Maggie, Glenn and Daryl are going to live for at least one more season no more IMHO
 
2013-03-11 12:43:22 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: serial_crusher: lectos: Why are the zombies so easy to kill now?  You poke them in the eye and they die.  Why are they even a threat? BORING!

All characters on the show should wear this shirt:

[www.bothbigandclever.com image 599x624]

considering most of them have been dead for 3 years now, I'd say they're decomposing more slowly than average.

1 television season =/= 1 in story year

This is possibly more grating than the people who think season breaks are the end of a season.


Yeah, but everybody on TV apparently ages relative to real world time, regardless of how much time passes in the show.  I figure corpses rot at the same rate.

/ Then again, Fetal Judith aged in show-relative time, so maybe it's only "living" characters (using pro-choice version of "living") who age at real world rates, which would mean the zombies don't....
 
2013-03-11 12:44:25 PM  

kumanoki: Hebalo: For some reason, this got me thinking about how interesting it would be if we had the inevitable showdown at the prison interrupted by a walker herd. Force enemies to work together against a common enemy, add a new dynamic to things.

That could be cool if a herd just overwhelmed the whole prison yard during the final fight. That could be the pandemonium needed to really ignite the final episode.

However, it's been done. That's exactly how Season 2 ended.


So?  The comic did it repeatedly.
 
2013-03-11 12:45:53 PM  

kumanoki: However, it's been done. That's exactly how Season 2 ended.


Herd yes, middle of firefight with opposing force, no. Trapped in a prison, no.
 
2013-03-11 12:45:59 PM  
I want milton to draw some blood from Judith and find out she doesnt have the virus!
 
2013-03-11 12:47:59 PM  

RaiderFanMikeP: I want milton to draw some blood from Judith and find out she doesnt have the virus!


Interesting.

WTF was he thinking, trying to get a look at Hershel's stump on the first date?
 
2013-03-11 12:48:25 PM  

Cletus C.: My top 10 in order of likely to die:
Andrea
Milton
Hershel
Carol
Beth
Merle
Maggie
Judith (baby killing can be a delicate matter)
Michonne
Rick
Carl


(Daryl and Glenn are safe)


Rick and Carl will not die. They are the central protagonists.
 I think Andrea will survive, sadly. She is the writers' doll. She's going to get the kill on the Gov. They're setting her up for it.

But my question for everyone else is- how?

Herschel will die sniping. It's not like he can run.
Carol will die defending Judith.
Then Beth will take Judith and the Gov will cut them both down.
Merle will slink away, only to be killed by Michonne.
Milton dies at the hand of the Gov for betraying him.
 
2013-03-11 12:52:59 PM  

serial_crusher: I figure corpses rot at the same rate.


I know it's a completely different universe only using similar rules, but World War Z covers the idea that zombies take longer to rot simply because living things, from animals to bacteria, all have a natural tendency to want to avoid the zombie virus itself.  Thus, zombies in that universe are much more likely to deteriorate due to drying out than rotting away, because even the bacteria wants no part of it.

I mean, it IS a zombie show, and this explanation could easily be used to keep the zombies more or less Tupperware fresh for seasons to come.
 
2013-03-11 12:54:49 PM  

kumanoki: Herschel will die sniping. It's not like he can run.


Not if he has his Epic Shotgun of Unlimited Shells from the season 2 finale equipped.  Best gun I've ever found in Borderlands 2, too.
 
2013-03-11 12:55:41 PM  

kumanoki: Herschel will die sniping. It's not like he can run.
Carol will die defending Judith.


I was going to say Herschel sacrifices himself to buy time for the others, but that would be too cliche.

Herschel tries to sacrifice himself to save Judith and Carol, but Carol gets shot by one of the Governor's henchmen, so Herschel has to man up and rescue the baby.  Bonus if he has a small bite but gets Judith to safety before turning.
 
2013-03-11 12:55:45 PM  
Milton is going down, but not until after he switches sides.

Big bearded black guy in woodberry has an expiration date (surprised he's lasted this long)

If Glen survives past the last commercial break of the finale, he's got another season left
 
2013-03-11 12:56:39 PM  
What if Morgan is working for the Governor? What if they combine the Governor and Negan in the show into just the Governor?
 
2013-03-11 12:57:05 PM  
No mention of Rick calling him the town drunk? Were they implying Rick knew the governor or is that just the realization that he is a Joe Schmo who now has all this power?
 
2013-03-11 12:57:22 PM  

Shadowknight: serial_crusher: I figure corpses rot at the same rate.

I know it's a completely different universe only using similar rules, but World War Z covers the idea that zombies take longer to rot simply because living things, from animals to bacteria, all have a natural tendency to want to avoid the zombie virus itself.  Thus, zombies in that universe are much more likely to deteriorate due to drying out than rotting away, because even the bacteria wants no part of it.

I mean, it IS a zombie show, and this explanation could easily be used to keep the zombies more or less Tupperware fresh for seasons to come.


hmm, is it that the bacterias avoid the zombie virus, or that they become zombie-bacteria and feed on living bacteria instead of dead flesh?
 
2013-03-11 01:01:06 PM  

WienerButt: No mention of Rick calling him the town drunk? Were they implying Rick knew the governor or is that just the realization that he is a Joe Schmo who now has all this power?


I took it as a probing insult, rather than one with any background knowledge. Rick knows this guy's "type".
 
2013-03-11 01:01:16 PM  

serial_crusher: hmm, is it that the bacterias avoid the zombie virus, or that they become zombie-bacteria and feed on living bacteria instead of dead flesh?


They never got into it so deep as to give it an actual in depth pseudo-science explanation   Just that all living creatures, all the way to bacteria, avoid the virus on an instinctual level.
 
2013-03-11 01:01:24 PM  

WienerButt: No mention of Rick calling him the town drunk? Were they implying Rick knew the governor or is that just the realization that he is a Joe Schmo who now has all this power?


I took it as the latter.
 
2013-03-11 01:03:58 PM  

Shadowknight: I know it's a completely different universe only using similar rules, but World War Z covers the idea that zombies take longer to rot simply because living things, from animals to bacteria, all have a natural tendency to want to avoid the zombie virus itself


People should get over trying to explain zombies with science. Despite the half assed stab at explaining them at the CDC, zombies are clearly supernatural, no less than vampires are. No one tries to explain them with biology.
 
2013-03-11 01:06:36 PM  

Mugato: Shadowknight: I know it's a completely different universe only using similar rules, but World War Z covers the idea that zombies take longer to rot simply because living things, from animals to bacteria, all have a natural tendency to want to avoid the zombie virus itself

People should get over trying to explain zombies with science. Despite the half assed stab at explaining them at the CDC, zombies are clearly supernatural, no less than vampires are. No one tries to explain them with biology.


Yes, they do.
http://www.fvza.org/science2.html
 
2013-03-11 01:09:41 PM  

Mugato: Shadowknight: I know it's a completely different universe only using similar rules, but World War Z covers the idea that zombies take longer to rot simply because living things, from animals to bacteria, all have a natural tendency to want to avoid the zombie virus itself

People should get over trying to explain zombies with science. Despite the half assed stab at explaining them at the CDC, zombies are clearly supernatural, no less than vampires are. No one tries to explain them with biology.


you can explain pretty much anything with biology though...
fc02.deviantart.net
 
2013-03-11 01:13:59 PM  

serial_crusher: Mugato: Shadowknight: I know it's a completely different universe only using similar rules, but World War Z covers the idea that zombies take longer to rot simply because living things, from animals to bacteria, all have a natural tendency to want to avoid the zombie virus itself

People should get over trying to explain zombies with science. Despite the half assed stab at explaining them at the CDC, zombies are clearly supernatural, no less than vampires are. No one tries to explain them with biology.

you can explain pretty much anything with biology though...
[fc02.deviantart.net image 850x658]


<orson welles applause.gif>

How very accurate and very sad.
 
2013-03-11 01:15:18 PM  

redmid17: ongbok: maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.

Why is it weak? He was there to broker a peace deal, so he sat down an listened to what he had to say. Rick knows that they are tremendously outnumbered, and for all he knew if he would have killed the Governor there none of them would have walked away from the meeting alive, and the Governor's men would have finished the prison off and killed everybody inside.

So shooting him at that moment would have been stupid. Instead walking away and saying you would think about his demands was the smarter thing because know you have time to prepare yourself for the attack that you know is coming.

You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.


Additionally, Rick still wants to hold onto the hope that there is a peaceful way out of this. Even though he knows it will not happen and the Governor is a psycho who wants to kill them all. Shooting him right there would have been good for all of 5 seconds until you realize everyone else there would have probably died. Then the town would have one of the fighters lead a revenge attack on the prison anyways.

Rick is a smart guy when he's not crazy. But is Rick starts yelling at you, oh boy are you in for a crazy bad time. Yelling at the group that tried to stay in the prison is going to come back and bite him real hard.
 
2013-03-11 01:15:44 PM  

Mugato: People should get over trying to explain zombies with science. Despite the half assed stab at explaining them at the CDC, zombies are clearly supernatural, no less than vampires are. No one tries to explain them with biology.


Agreed. It only invites arguments from nitpicky-types. "Wizard did it" shuts them down cold.
 
2013-03-11 01:21:03 PM  

dajoro: Or grow up.


I did.  I cancelled cable.
 
2013-03-11 01:25:53 PM  

GoldSpider: dajoro: Or grow up.

I did.  I cancelled cable.



If you have trouble getting cable on that high horse of yours, try satellite.
 
2013-03-11 01:39:42 PM  
I just hope they kill the  Governor off this season and close that plotline. I've heard too many rumors about them extending it till next year, and that'd just be ridiculous. Time to move on.

Just finish out the prison this year, next season follow them on the road (hello Abraham!) and to Alexandria, and then for season 5 deal with a new primary antagonist in Negan.
 
2013-03-11 01:39:59 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Milton is going down, but not until after he switches sides.

Big bearded black guy in woodberry has an expiration date (surprised he's lasted this long)



I want Cutty to stick around (I still can't get switched over to thinking of him as Tyreese).
 
2013-03-11 01:46:52 PM  
Carl will shoot the Governer.
 
2013-03-11 01:48:25 PM  

WienerButt: No mention of Rick calling him the town drunk? Were they implying Rick knew the governor or is that just the realization that he is a Joe Schmo who now has all this power?


Not the first time:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-11 01:53:47 PM  

NeoCortex42: dajoro: What did the episode title mean?  "Arrow on the Doorstop."

Maybe something about making an open declaration of war?

Or someone took a doorstop to the knee.


I used to be a Zombie killer like you...
 
2013-03-11 01:54:26 PM  

Hebalo: WienerButt: No mention of Rick calling him the town drunk? Were they implying Rick knew the governor or is that just the realization that he is a Joe Schmo who now has all this power?

I took it as a probing insult, rather than one with any background knowledge. Rick knows this guy's "type".


This
 
2013-03-11 01:56:16 PM  

Clash City Farker: Carl will shoot the Governer.


But what about the Governor? Will he shoot him, too?
 
2013-03-11 01:58:22 PM  

kumanoki: Clash City Farker: Carl will shoot the Governer.

But what about the Governor? Will he shoot him, too?


Yes. it was foreshadowed when he shot that other guy.
 
2013-03-11 02:13:22 PM  

Supes: I just hope they kill the  Governor off this season and close that plotline. I've heard too many rumors about them extending it till next year, and that'd just be ridiculous. Time to move on.

Just finish out the prison this year, next season follow them on the road (hello Abraham!) and to Alexandria, and then for season 5 deal with a new primary antagonist in Negan.


I want on the road, arrival at the safe zone and a build up to the Saviors.

In fact I want the boys who were shot and Randall from season 2 to be a group of survivors who eventually team up with them, recognize the Rick and Co. group and relay the information for a Season 3 ending reveal of Negan.
 
2013-03-11 02:17:23 PM  

serial_crusher: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: serial_crusher: lectos: Why are the zombies so easy to kill now?  You poke them in the eye and they die.  Why are they even a threat? BORING!

All characters on the show should wear this shirt:

[www.bothbigandclever.com image 599x624]

considering most of them have been dead for 3 years now, I'd say they're decomposing more slowly than average.

1 television season =/= 1 in story year

This is possibly more grating than the people who think season breaks are the end of a season.

Yeah, but everybody on TV apparently ages relative to real world time, regardless of how much time passes in the show.  I figure corpses rot at the same rate.

/ Then again, Fetal Judith aged in show-relative time, so maybe it's only "living" characters (using pro-choice version of "living") who age at real world rates, which would mean the zombies don't....


Dude, what did you smoke? Give me a hoot.
 
2013-03-11 02:22:47 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Supes: I just hope they kill the  Governor off this season and close that plotline. I've heard too many rumors about them extending it till next year, and that'd just be ridiculous. Time to move on.

Just finish out the prison this year, next season follow them on the road (hello Abraham!) and to Alexandria, and then for season 5 deal with a new primary antagonist in Negan.

I want on the road, arrival at the safe zone and a build up to the Saviors.

In fact I want the boys who were shot and Randall from season 2 to be a group of survivors who eventually team up with them, recognize the Rick and Co. group and relay the information for a Season 3 ending reveal of Negan.


Everyone is clamoring for Negan now. How is Negan drastically different than the Governor? Just another powerful opponent. What's to be gained by quickly wrapping up the Governor, just to give us more of the same?

There's no need to do the Alexandria plotline even. It could be accomplished when the Governor's story is done, right in Woodbury. Because that story was mostly about Rick and Co. not being able to fit in very well, and then deciding to be in charge, and then finding a bigger threat.

It just seems like more of the same. Why not explore the possibilities we have in front of us? Does Abraham bring anything new or different to the mix?
 
2013-03-11 02:24:55 PM  
can they head south to Orlando to visit a zombie infested DisneyWorld?
 
2013-03-11 02:30:48 PM  

Hebalo: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Supes: I just hope they kill the  Governor off this season and close that plotline. I've heard too many rumors about them extending it till next year, and that'd just be ridiculous. Time to move on.

Just finish out the prison this year, next season follow them on the road (hello Abraham!) and to Alexandria, and then for season 5 deal with a new primary antagonist in Negan.

I want on the road, arrival at the safe zone and a build up to the Saviors.

In fact I want the boys who were shot and Randall from season 2 to be a group of survivors who eventually team up with them, recognize the Rick and Co. group and relay the information for a Season 3 ending reveal of Negan.

Everyone is clamoring for Negan now. How is Negan drastically different than the Governor? Just another powerful opponent. What's to be gained by quickly wrapping up the Governor, just to give us more of the same?

There's no need to do the Alexandria plotline even. It could be accomplished when the Governor's story is done, right in Woodbury. Because that story was mostly about Rick and Co. not being able to fit in very well, and then deciding to be in charge, and then finding a bigger threat.

It just seems like more of the same. Why not explore the possibilities we have in front of us? Does Abraham bring anything new or different to the mix?


Yeah, I don't really see the need to skip 50 issues of the comic. They already skipped enough in the prison/Woodbury plotlines.
 
2013-03-11 02:31:05 PM  
Good episode IMO, the sit down was tense like the opening scene from Inglorious Basterds.

Here's my question: at the end Rick's telling Herschel about the Gov's real offer, and asks him to talk Rick out of accepting it and turning over Michonne. Right after he says the Gov will probably kill (or at least try to) them anyway if they do turn her over.

Uh hello? Isn't that pretty much the only reason you'd need to reject Gov's offer? You have to figure he's going to attack you anyway, so why bother turning her over, particularly when she's so useful. It would be different if you knew 100% turning her over would end the war, then I'd think you might consider it. But if you figure he's going to attack anyway (which you should since you know he's a nutjob), then what reason is there for accepting the offer?

The other thing that kinda makes me wonder is why Rick thinks they have to kill this guy as some retaliation for what he did to Maggie and Glen. Merle did most of the whooping on Glen and he's in the group now, so why the blood vendetta against the Gov over groping Maggie? Hello, apocalypse going on, do you really want to engage in a gunfight with some of the last remaining human beings because he copped a feel? Seems like an overreaction to me, particularly since you'll be putting everyone's lives at risk including your baby and son.

I think the way he lied to the group was dumb too. He could have just said the Gov would accept nothing less than surrender if he wanted to tell a half truth anyway, instead of what he said.
 
2013-03-11 02:33:56 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Supes: I just hope they kill the  Governor off this season and close that plotline. I've heard too many rumors about them extending it till next year, and that'd just be ridiculous. Time to move on.

Just finish out the prison this year, next season follow them on the road (hello Abraham!) and to Alexandria, and then for season 5 deal with a new primary antagonist in Negan.

I want on the road, arrival at the safe zone and a build up to the Saviors.

In fact I want the boys who were shot and Randall from season 2 to be a group of survivors who eventually team up with them, recognize the Rick and Co. group and relay the information for a Season 3 ending reveal of Negan.


Shane killed Randall already, so he isn't coming back (well, not as a human at any rate). The only one still alive who could recognize Rick would be the guy who drove away by himself. I doubt we see them again.... much like the Atlanta nursing-home survivors the crew met in Season 1 (and the random hitchhiker last week), the other survivors were introduced solely to show how much Rick's crew has changed in how they perceive the world.

I still don't see Negan coming in next season, but he'll definitely at least be teased. I'm also very curious if and how they work Hilltop into everything.
 
2013-03-11 02:36:48 PM  
Sadly, I wish they could just hand over Michonne and call it good. Not because I want to see the blooming of the prison garden against the backdrop of a nervous truce, but because her character is so poorly developed she should be jettisoned.
 
2013-03-11 02:42:46 PM  

Hebalo: Everyone is clamoring for Negan now. How is Negan drastically different than the Governor? Just another powerful opponent. What's to be gained by quickly wrapping up the Governor, just to give us more of the same?

There's no need to do the Alexandria plotline even. It could be accomplished when the Governor's story is done, right in Woodbury. Because that story was mostly about Rick and Co. not being able to fit in very well, and then deciding to be in charge, and then finding a bigger threat.

It just seems like more of the same. Why not explore the possibilities we have in front of us? Does Abraham bring anything new or different to the mix?


Well there is a lot to explore in the inbetween and no one way the entire Alexanria plotline had to be written out, hell lets throw The Hunters in there for good measure too.
 
2013-03-11 02:43:58 PM  

Hebalo: Everyone is clamoring for Negan now. How is Negan drastically different than the Governor? Just another powerful opponent. What's to be gained by quickly wrapping up the Governor, just to give us more of the same?

There's no need to do the Alexandria plotline even. It could be accomplished when the Governor's story is done, right in Woodbury. Because that story was mostly about Rick and Co. not being able to fit in very well, and then deciding to be in charge, and then finding a bigger threat.

It just seems like more of the same. Why not explore the possibilities we have in front of us? Does Abraham bring anything new or different to the mix?


Negan and the Governor are very different. Governor is an proud, evil, calculating SOB. Negan is a sociopath. It's the unpredictability around Negan that would make him a fun enemy, if done right.

I do agree that in theory, Rick's group could "beat" the Governor and then move into Woodbury and have a large portion of the Alexandria storylines there. But frankly I'd love to see them on the road for a bit. We haven't really seen that except the horrible first half of season 2. That would add a different dynamic on the show we really haven't seen.

Oh and Abraham adds a strong secondary leader to question Rick's decisions. We had that for awhile in Shane before he went and got himself killed. Now we have that in Merle, but no one respects Merle or cares what he thinks. Abraham would bring a much needed voice of dissent back.
 
2013-03-11 02:45:34 PM  

Supes: I still don't see Negan coming in next season, but he'll definitely at least be teased. I'm also very curious if and how they work Hilltop into everything.


I can live with teasers

One thing I don't want is for them to get bogged down in one location like they did second season, of which I fully realize that half of that issue was the fact that they never got back that 30% filming credit and it instead went to AMC coffers.
 
2013-03-11 02:45:41 PM  
I say after a season on the farm and a season in the prison, spending next year on the road would be a nice change of pace.  There's no reason to rush into catching up with the comics.  It would also be pretty silly to go directly from The Governor to Negan.
 
2013-03-11 02:51:56 PM  

NeoCortex42: It seems like it would be incredibly easy to ambush the prison at the moment.


Operation Chinese Pork is a go!
 
2013-03-11 03:01:00 PM  

maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.


Remember the comment that Rick makes when he asks Michonne to drive them back to the prison -- "I see things".

He's driving to the town, sees the hitchhiker by the side of the road, and just assumes he's another figment of his imagination. He doesn't say a word (because what if the hitchhiker *is* just another figment), and everyone else is waiting for him to say "stop" (or not).   For the trip back, he admits (only to Michonne) that seeing things isn't such a good thing for a driver -- now that he and Michonne are on good figment-sharing terms.

The look in his face when he sees the body at the side of the road on the way back definitely had some "Huh... guess that one was real" in it.
 
2013-03-11 03:05:45 PM  

kumanoki: Now I just imagine Steven Yeun at every read-through going, "DoMaggie and Glen get naked in this scene?"
"No, Steven." "How about this scene?" "No, Steven."


I can't really say I blame him.
 
2013-03-11 03:06:40 PM  

Matt Foley: NeoCortex42: It seems like it would be incredibly easy to ambush the prison at the moment.

Operation Chinese Pork is a go!


You go now!  Here 4 Hours!
 
2013-03-11 03:09:21 PM  

js34603: Good episode IMO, the sit down was tense like the opening scene from Inglorious Basterds.

motores.com.py

 
2013-03-11 03:13:59 PM  

serial_crusher: kumanoki: Herschel will die sniping. It's not like he can run.
Carol will die defending Judith.

I was going to say Herschel sacrifices himself to buy time for the others, but that would be too cliche.

Herschel tries to sacrifice himself to save Judith and Carol, but Carol gets shot by one of the Governor's henchmen, so Herschel has to man up and rescue the baby.  Bonus if he has a small bite but gets Judith to safety before turning.


Everyone already has the virus. You don't turn because of the bite. You turn because infection from the bite kills you.
 
2013-03-11 03:14:50 PM  

ObeliskToucher: maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.

Remember the comment that Rick makes when he asks Michonne to drive them back to the prison -- "I see things".

He's driving to the town, sees the hitchhiker by the side of the road, and just assumes he's another figment of his imagination. He doesn't say a word (because what if the hitchhiker *is* just another figment), and everyone else is waiting for him to say "stop" (or not).   For the trip back, he admits (only to Michonne) that seeing things isn't such a good thing for a driver -- now that he and Michonne are on good figment-sharing terms.

The look in his face when he sees the body at the side of the road on the way back definitely had some "Huh... guess that one was real" in it.


Except that Carl very clearly saw the hitchhiker too.
 
2013-03-11 03:16:03 PM  

I read fark for the pics: serial_crusher: kumanoki: Herschel will die sniping. It's not like he can run.
Carol will die defending Judith.

I was going to say Herschel sacrifices himself to buy time for the others, but that would be too cliche.

Herschel tries to sacrifice himself to save Judith and Carol, but Carol gets shot by one of the Governor's henchmen, so Herschel has to man up and rescue the baby.  Bonus if he has a small bite but gets Judith to safety before turning.

Everyone already has the virus. You don't turn because of the bite. You turn because infection from the bite kills you.


yeah, but either way a bite means inevitable death.  Herschel can't chop his other leg off and still get the baby to safety.
 
2013-03-11 03:19:57 PM  

NeoCortex42: I say after a season on the farm and a season in the prison, spending next year on the road would be a nice change of pace.  There's no reason to rush into catching up with the comics.  It would also be pretty silly to go directly from The Governor to Negan.


Whatever happens when they get there aside, season 4 would be a good place to show the survivors on the road between Woodbury and the prison, to Alexandria. I think it would be a nice break from the comic series (as the showrunners are wont to do) to split Negan and the Saviors from Alexandria itself, and make them a group that harasses the group for 3-4 episodes on their way through the territory. That'd be a good way to introduce Abraham as well.

And, Abraham ought to be portrayed by Hulk Hogan. Just sayin'.
 
2013-03-11 03:20:11 PM  

BATMANATEE: Except that Carl very clearly saw the hitchhiker too.


Yeah, Rick didn't pickup the hitchhiker because he's a dick. Same reason why he kicked out Black Guy #3 and his crew. And now they fight for the Gov'ner.
 
2013-03-11 03:20:33 PM  

theurge14: Weigard: The writing and directing in the meeting was garbage. All of the dialogue sounded like words just said to fill time, and the scenes themselves were disjointed.

This.  Too many blank stares and glaring without words.  To be fair, it's not the only show to suffer from this problem.

Compare and contrast to an Aaron Sorkin show.

Real life is chattery, with lots of movement.  TV and movie writers have gotten pretty bad at this.


Stillness would be natural in that situation. Both men were on edge and very aware that the other side could react badly to sudden movement. The Governor tried very hard to charm Rick into relaxing but they were both ready to shoot at any second.
 
2013-03-11 03:26:20 PM  

serial_crusher: Sybarite: So Andrea told the Governor all about the whole Rick-Shane-Lori paternity thing? They must have some weird pillow talk.

I imagine there was at least one round of "tell me everything you know about this guy".

Could have also been New Black Guy and his group.  They were at the prison during Rick's meltdown.  Stands to reason that somebody might have white nighted for him and explained to them all the good reasons he had for going crazy.


Nah, Tyrese and his crew had no knowledge of the Rick/Shane thing and no reason to white knight Rick since they met him once and he acted weird and kicked them out. The Gov pumped Andrea for info and she spilled it all
 
2013-03-11 03:27:39 PM  

BATMANATEE: ObeliskToucher: maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.

Remember the comment that Rick makes when he asks Michonne to drive them back to the prison -- "I see things".

He's driving to the town, sees the hitchhiker by the side of the road, and just assumes he's another figment of his imagination. He doesn't say a word (because what if the hitchhiker *is* just another figment), and everyone else is waiting for him to say "stop" (or not).   For the trip back, he admits (only to Michonne) that seeing things isn't such a good thing for a driver -- now that he and Michonne are on good figment-sharing terms.

The look in his face when he sees the body at the side of the road on the way back definitely had some "Huh... guess that one was real" in it.

Except that Carl very clearly saw the hitchhiker too.


Yep, he twisted around in his chair to look back at him... and didn't say a word to Rick ("... everyone else is waiting for him to say "stop" (or not).", as I said.
 
2013-03-11 03:31:20 PM  

Digitalstrange: serial_crusher: Sybarite: So Andrea told the Governor all about the whole Rick-Shane-Lori paternity thing? They must have some weird pillow talk.

I imagine there was at least one round of "tell me everything you know about this guy".

Could have also been New Black Guy and his group.  They were at the prison during Rick's meltdown.  Stands to reason that somebody might have white nighted for him and explained to them all the good reasons he had for going crazy.

Nah, Tyrese and his crew had no knowledge of the Rick/Shane thing and no reason to white knight Rick since they met him once and he acted weird and kicked them out. The Gov pumped Andrea for info and she spilled it all


you misunderstood.  I mean somebody in the prison group white knighted to Tyrese when he was weirded out.  It didn't work, then he went and told the governor everything he knew.
 
2013-03-11 03:37:42 PM  

Mugato: People should get over trying to explain zombies with science. Despite the half assed stab at explaining them at the CDC, zombies are clearly supernatural, no less than vampires are. No one tries to explain them with biology.


Eh, I liked the explanation.  It was just sciency enough to work in the universe without getting exact enough to poke too many holes in my suspension of disbelief.  See also: Dilithium crystals, warp drives...
 
2013-03-11 03:37:54 PM  

GoldSpider: Weigard: The title of the show doesn't refer to the zombies.

Only at the end do we realize that it's the LIVING that are the "Walking Dead" and not the zombies!  M. Night Shyamalan couldn't have scripted it better.


Nope, it was pretty apparent in "Clear" when no one even brought up picking up the hitchhiker guy. It never even occurred to them. And these are the good guys. But when the inevitable happened because they didn't help they didn't hesitate to scavenge his gear.
 
2013-03-11 03:42:32 PM  

Mugato: BATMANATEE: Except that Carl very clearly saw the hitchhiker too.

Yeah, Rick didn't pickup the hitchhiker because he's a dick. Same reason why he kicked out Black Guy #3 and his crew. And now they fight for the Gov'ner.


Would you pick up a stranger that close to Woodbury?  The Governor obviously has eyes on the prison.
 
2013-03-11 03:58:22 PM  

serial_crusher: Digitalstrange: serial_crusher: Sybarite: So Andrea told the Governor all about the whole Rick-Shane-Lori paternity thing? They must have some weird pillow talk.

I imagine there was at least one round of "tell me everything you know about this guy".

Could have also been New Black Guy and his group.  They were at the prison during Rick's meltdown.  Stands to reason that somebody might have white nighted for him and explained to them all the good reasons he had for going crazy.

Nah, Tyrese and his crew had no knowledge of the Rick/Shane thing and no reason to white knight Rick since they met him once and he acted weird and kicked them out. The Gov pumped Andrea for info and she spilled it all

you misunderstood.  I mean somebody in the prison group white knighted to Tyrese when he was weirded out.  It didn't work, then he went and told the governor everything he knew.


Ahh, IC

Here's my advice to Rick and Co. :

You know the Gov and presumably his closest Lt's will be away 2 days from now at noon. Invade Woodberry in force and eliminate the scrubs who make them numerically superior while their leadership is away. Leave Woodberry burning and get back to the prison and set for the Gov's small invasion force.
 
2013-03-11 03:58:43 PM  

ObeliskToucher: BATMANATEE: ObeliskToucher: maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.

Remember the comment that Rick makes when he asks Michonne to drive them back to the prison -- "I see things".

He's driving to the town, sees the hitchhiker by the side of the road, and just assumes he's another figment of his imagination. He doesn't say a word (because what if the hitchhiker *is* just another figment), and everyone else is waiting for him to say "stop" (or not).   For the trip back, he admits (only to Michonne) that seeing things isn't such a good thing for a driver -- now that he and Michonne are on good figment-sharing terms.

The look in his face when he sees the body at the side of the road on the way back definitely had some "Huh... guess that one was real" in it.

Except that Carl very clearly saw the hitchhiker too.

Yep, he twisted around in his chair to look back at him... and didn't say a word to Rick ("... everyone else is waiting for him to say "stop" (or not).", as I said.


I see what you mean now. I misread that the first time.
 
2013-03-11 04:06:38 PM  
js34603:
....
The other thing that kinda makes me wonder is why Rick thinks they have to kill this guy as some retaliation for what he did to Maggie and Glen. Merle did most of the whooping on Glen and he's in the group now, so why the blood vendetta against the Gov over groping Maggie? Hello, apocalypse going on, do you really want to engage in a gunfight with some of the last remaining human beings because he copped a feel? Seems like an overreaction to me, particularly since you'll be putting everyone's lives at risk including your baby and son.

...

The Gov killed Axel and broke down the gate w/ the zombie loaded ice cream truck.  As for Merle, they seem to have given him a "just following orders" pass and passed the blame on to the Gov.
 
2013-03-11 04:19:48 PM  

ShadowKamui: The Gov killed Axel and broke down the gate w/ the zombie loaded ice cream truck.  As for Merle, they seem to have given him a "just following orders" pass and passed the blame on to the Gov.


I don't know if he's been given a 'pass', per se...I think we're going to see some of Merle's aggression play out in the next couple of episodes. Noboy in the group buys that he's safe, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend, especially when vetted by Daryl. I think Michonne has her eye on him, anyway. She would've run him through during that scuffle, but she needs to be in the group as much as he does.
 
2013-03-11 04:23:23 PM  

Kornchex: Would you pick up a stranger that close to Woodbury?  The Governor obviously has eyes on the prison.


The backpack could have been a bomb to take out Rick
 
2013-03-11 04:38:16 PM  

Digitalstrange: You know the Gov and presumably his closest Lt's will be away 2 days from now at noon. Invade Woodberry in force and eliminate the scrubs who make them numerically superior while their leadership is away. Leave Woodberry burning and get back to the prison and set for the Gov's small invasion force.


That's the Gov plan, get Rick and his best out of the prison on a wild goose. Gov never intends to meet him back there in two days, he'll be using that as a cover for the attack.
 
2013-03-11 04:40:41 PM  
kumanoki: ShadowKamui: The Gov killed Axel and broke down the gate w/ the zombie loaded ice cream truck.  As for Merle, they seem to have given him a "just following orders" pass and passed the blame on to the Gov.

I don't know if he's been given a 'pass', per se...I think we're going to see some of Merle's aggression play out in the next couple of episodes. Noboy in the group buys that he's safe, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend, especially when vetted by Daryl. I think Michonne has her eye on him, anyway. She would've run him through during that scuffle, but she needs to be in the group as much as he does.


Actually I believe they are slowly rehabilitating Merle. When Hershel is telling Rick of the groups mood he mentions Merle and Michone want to go on the offensive. In the argument about Merle's past actions it comes up that he didn't kill Michone when he probably could have. Merle ducks the question. Merle was right about going on the offensive in a few comments in last nights show. He is racist and hard edged but otherwise a pretty straight up guy. He says what he thinks and you always know where he stands.

My suspicion is that he will be instrumental in the upcoming battles and will save someone like Glenn or Michone or Rick, maybe all of them, in a big way.
 
2013-03-11 04:46:52 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Digitalstrange: You know the Gov and presumably his closest Lt's will be away 2 days from now at noon. Invade Woodberry in force and eliminate the scrubs who make them numerically superior while their leadership is away. Leave Woodberry burning and get back to the prison and set for the Gov's small invasion force.

That's the Gov plan, get Rick and his best out of the prison on a wild goose. Gov never intends to meet him back there in two days, he'll be using that as a cover for the attack.


Ummm, no. His expectation was that Rick and his best would show up to turn over Michone. He ordered his men to take Michone alive but kill everyone else. He then expected that killing the ones left at the prison would be easy. Bascially my idea is turn it on its ear. Eliminate his numerical superiority and his base while he's out looking to ambush their leadership
 
2013-03-11 04:51:00 PM  
Digitalstrange:  (Merle) will save someone like Glenn or Michone or Rick, maybe all of them, in a big way.

And then get himself killed in some stupidly simple way, of course...
 
2013-03-11 04:52:22 PM  

Digitalstrange: Ummm, no. His expectation was that Rick and his best would show up to turn over Michone. He ordered his men to take Michone alive but kill everyone else. He then expected that killing the ones left at the prison would be easy. Bascially my idea is turn it on its ear. Eliminate his numerical superiority and his base while he's out looking to ambush their leadership


I think I might have missed that, ahh well I plan on watching it again tonight
 
2013-03-11 05:05:49 PM  

Digitalstrange: My suspicion is that he will be instrumental in the upcoming battles and will save someone like Glenn or Michone or Rick, maybe all of them, in a big way.


I really dont want to see that trope play out. I want Merle to cleave closer to the idea that he should stick with the winning team until they're not winning anymore. If he can't switch sides, I think we'll see Merle try to hightail it outta there. There's no point in dying for anyone else, except maybe Daryl. But I see Merle looking at Daryl and going, "Eff this, I'm out, and you should, too!" And Daryl will be all like, "Damn you, brother!" And then Michonne is all like, "He's mine."
 
2013-03-11 05:15:39 PM  

kumanoki: Digitalstrange: My suspicion is that he will be instrumental in the upcoming battles and will save someone like Glenn or Michone or Rick, maybe all of them, in a big way.

I really dont want to see that trope play out. I want Merle to cleave closer to the idea that he should stick with the winning team until they're not winning anymore. If he can't switch sides, I think we'll see Merle try to hightail it outta there. There's no point in dying for anyone else, except maybe Daryl. But I see Merle looking at Daryl and going, "Eff this, I'm out, and you should, too!" And Daryl will be all like, "Damn you, brother!" And then Michonne is all like, "He's mine."


Glen might want a piece of him as well. That would be a great scene, just as Merle is thinking about heading out, Glen follows him in to a cell, and beats the living shiat out of him.
 
2013-03-11 05:18:32 PM  

serial_crusher: PsyLord: There will always be new zombies. Remember, they are all infected. You don't have to die from a zombie bite to become a zombie. Death from natural or unnatural causes will turn you into one as long as your brain is intact. So even as the older zombies die out, if humans still are dying, more zombies will be made.

Yeah, but if humans were still dying in numbers that large, the group would have encountered a lot more survivors.  Most of those zombies died in the initial outbreak.

/ I figure everybody's poking muscles have gotten a little stronger too, with all that practice.


There's probably plenty more survivors and zombies out there. We've only been in one state for the series after all. I hope their budget will one day allow us to see a really big swarm like them running into a mass of walkers migrating from New York.
 
2013-03-11 05:28:03 PM  

Hebalo: kumanoki: Digitalstrange: My suspicion is that he will be instrumental in the upcoming battles and will save someone like Glenn or Michone or Rick, maybe all of them, in a big way.

I really dont want to see that trope play out. I want Merle to cleave closer to the idea that he should stick with the winning team until they're not winning anymore. If he can't switch sides, I think we'll see Merle try to hightail it outta there. There's no point in dying for anyone else, except maybe Daryl. But I see Merle looking at Daryl and going, "Eff this, I'm out, and you should, too!" And Daryl will be all like, "Damn you, brother!" And then Michonne is all like, "He's mine."

Glen might want a piece of him as well. That would be a great scene, just as Merle is thinking about heading out, Glen follows him in to a cell, and beats the living shiat out of him.


Merle will be accidentally bitten on the hand.  They amputate but he still dies of sepsis and Daryl puts him down permanently.  Probably be bitten in the season finale and dies in season 4 opener.
 
2013-03-11 05:33:57 PM  

MagSeven: There's probably plenty more survivors and zombies out there. We've only been in one state for the series after all. I hope their budget will one day allow us to see a really big swarm like them running into a mass of walkers migrating from New York.


WETA probably already has the models -- swap the orc armor for some semi-decayed Izods & chinos, and you're done, and start them marching...
 
2013-03-11 05:48:38 PM  

kumanoki: really dont want to see that trope play out


Yeah that whole "redemption" thing is played.
 
2013-03-11 06:12:26 PM  
Robert Kirkman dissembles last night's The Walking Dead

Why would Kirkman lie about last night's episode?
 
2013-03-11 06:16:37 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Cletus C.: Also, Darrell aren't you aware of the dangers of smoking? That could seriously mess with your life expectancy.

Can you even imagine how stale they would be after this long?


Stale? I think after almost a year in the pocket of a corpse the word you're looking for is "putrid".
 
2013-03-11 06:40:21 PM  

ongbok: kumanoki: redmid17: You beat me to it. When you're overmatched and outgunned, listening under a flag of truce isn't a bad option.

Also- I seriously doubt the Governor has snipers posted around the prison. The shot that took down Axel was the declaration of war. But it's the preception that people are swarming around outside with high-powered rifles is exactly the right tactic to take to keep Rick's group scared and inside. Frankly, the Governor needs to keep his skilled people close to him to train the townies.

He has somebody watching it. Remember when he told Rick that that was a nice haul of guns they got? He knew that they went out and found some guns after the attack.


Yeah, I was wondering how he knew that. Weren't the guns all bagged up? I don't see how a guy with a pair of binoculars spying on the prison would know what was in those duffels.
 
2013-03-11 07:03:40 PM  

ko_kyi: Kornchex: Would you pick up a stranger that close to Woodbury?  The Governor obviously has eyes on the prison.

The backpack could have been a bomb to take out Rick


Or Walker Peter Dinklage.
 
2013-03-11 07:22:24 PM  

fusillade762: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Cletus C.: Also, Darrell aren't you aware of the dangers of smoking? That could seriously mess with your life expectancy.

Can you even imagine how stale they would be after this long?

Stale? I think after almost a year in the pocket of a corpse the word you're looking for is "putrid".


As if smoking isn't already putrid by nature?
 
2013-03-11 07:46:09 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Cletus C.: Also, Darrell aren't you aware of the dangers of smoking? That could seriously mess with your life expectancy.

Can you even imagine how stale they would be after this long?


My thought was that after about 2 hits, his head would be spinning since it had been so long since he's had one.
 
2013-03-11 07:59:17 PM  

Mugato: kumanoki: really dont want to see that trope play out

Yeah that whole "redemption" thing is played.


Notsureifserious.jpg
 
2013-03-11 08:07:02 PM  

ObeliskToucher: BATMANATEE: ObeliskToucher: maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.

Remember the comment that Rick makes when he asks Michonne to drive them back to the prison -- "I see things".

He's driving to the town, sees the hitchhiker by the side of the road, and just assumes he's another figment of his imagination. He doesn't say a word (because what if the hitchhiker *is* just another figment), and everyone else is waiting for him to say "stop" (or not).   For the trip back, he admits (only to Michonne) that seeing things isn't such a good thing for a driver -- now that he and Michonne are on good figment-sharing terms.

The look in his face when he sees the body at the side of the road on the way back definitely had some "Huh... guess that one was real" in it.

Except that Carl very clearly saw the hitchhiker too.

Yep, he twisted around in his chair to look back at him... and didn't say a word to Rick ("... everyone else is waiting for him to say "stop" (or not).", as I said.


They must have said something, because they backed up and picked up the guy's backpack.
 
2013-03-11 08:17:44 PM  
in my day zombies meant something, man. they meant something!
t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-11 08:20:17 PM  

kumanoki: Mugato: kumanoki: really dont want to see that trope play out

Yeah that whole "redemption" thing is played.

Notsureifserious.jpg


No, I'm serious. A guy's a dick, maybe even the bad guy. At the end he saves everyone and dies. It's been done.
 
2013-03-11 08:38:07 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: ongbok: I think that season 4 will be about them running into the group that they had the skirmish with in the town by Hershel's farm.

I'm hoping they do that and it ends up that they were part of the larger group known as The Saviors from the comics


That's why I'm figuring Hershel won't die...yet.
 
2013-03-11 08:55:34 PM  

fusillade762: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Cletus C.: Also, Darrell aren't you aware of the dangers of smoking? That could seriously mess with your life expectancy.

Can you even imagine how stale they would be after this long?

Stale? I think after almost a year in the pocket of a corpse the word you're looking for is "putrid".


Not too mention the zombie probably stood out in the pouring rain a few dozen times. Those cigs would have fallen apart from getting wet long ago.
 
2013-03-11 08:57:46 PM  

Hebalo: Glen might want a piece of him as well. That would be a great scene, just as Merle is thinking about heading out, Glen follows him in to a cell, and beats the living shiat out of him.


Merle only lives because his brother is a valued member of the group and they don't want to lose Darryl.  Without Darryl, Merle gets an unceremonious bullet.
 
2013-03-11 09:00:30 PM  

serial_crusher: considering most of them have been dead for 3 years now, I'd say they're decomposing more slowly than average.


It's been less than a year according to one of the Wikis:  http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Television_Show_Timeline Last week's episode was day 316 from outbreak.  Lori's only been dead about a week.
 
2013-03-11 10:04:01 PM  

Spawn_of_Cthulhu: serial_crusher: considering most of them have been dead for 3 years now, I'd say they're decomposing more slowly than average.

It's been less than a year according to one of the Wikis:  http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Television_Show_Timeline Last week's episode was day 316 from outbreak.  Lori's only been dead about a week.


Wow, had no idea. Would've pegged it at 2-3 months.
 
2013-03-12 12:10:21 AM  

The Banana Thug: Spawn_of_Cthulhu: serial_crusher: considering most of them have been dead for 3 years now, I'd say they're decomposing more slowly than average.

It's been less than a year according to one of the Wikis:  http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Television_Show_Timeline Last week's episode was day 316 from outbreak.  Lori's only been dead about a week.

Wow, had no idea. Would've pegged it at 2-3 months.


Li'l Ass-Kicker is growing REAL fast, then.
 
2013-03-12 12:13:51 AM  

maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.


Tell me about it. If the guy wasn't already dead himself, I'd swear that Fred Friedberger (the Dr. Kevorkian of TV shows) was producing this piece of crap.
 
2013-03-12 12:32:56 AM  

ranak: MyKingdomForYourHorse: ranak: Andrea got told flat-out to go make someone a sandwich. Maybe that's the kick-in-the-ass she needs.

And the wheels started to turn in Milton's head.

Andrea's as well. And if next week is to be believed, then she'll pull in Tyrese and his group to help her out.


Might want to sit down for this one: I just read in Entertainment Weekly that Kirkman said, and I quote "The rest of the season is going to be about Andrea."

I guess it's a good thing there's only a few episodes left.
 
2013-03-12 01:04:06 AM  
Just watching right now, Rick and the scumbag still sitting at the table. If Rick deasn't just kill this farker right now then he needs to be relieved of command.
 
2013-03-12 01:20:32 AM  

maverickzy: Let me get this straight.  Rick has no problem ignoring that poor kid who was yelling for help.  He has no problem shooting those two guys from New Jersey in the bar.  But shooting a real and credible existential threat to him and everyone he knows?  Nope, that's too much.

Weak.



.
This.
Leaving the guy on the road was one of the most farked up things he's ever done.
 
2013-03-12 02:01:25 AM  
Season 3 finale spoiler: the prison gets overrun with zombies.
Season 4 finale spoiler: the military base gets overrun with zombies.
Season 5 finale spoiler: the island gets overrun with zombies.
Season 6 finale spoiler: Antarctica gets overrun with zombies.
Season 7 finale spoiler: Mars gets overrun with zombies.
 
2013-03-12 07:48:06 AM  
What I hate about a lot of this is the amount of characters that won't say that ONE thing that will help people figure things out, just to keep the plot moving.
"what happened to maggie"
"he's a sick man"

wtf...yea let her keep guessing.  what, he fed her worms?  gave her a pedicure?  Judas.

also with the hitchhiker, I like the angle that rick just thought he was seeing something, and no matter how much hiker screamed, michonne or carl didnt' say anything like "what about him?" which of course they would because they've said stuff like that time and again.
 
2013-03-12 10:17:01 AM  

You Are All Sheep: What I hate about a lot of this is the amount of characters that won't say that ONE thing that will help people figure things out, just to keep the plot moving.
"what happened to maggie"
"he's a sick man"

wtf...yea let her keep guessing.  what, he fed her worms?  gave her a pedicure?  Judas.

also with the hitchhiker, I like the angle that rick just thought he was seeing something, and no matter how much hiker screamed, michonne or carl didnt' say anything like "what about him?" which of course they would because they've said stuff like that time and again.


I like it more as just a dreaded, silent agreement between the three of them that it "sucks to be him". Just showing how farked things are when even something as simple as giving someone a ride becomes a "better him than us situation" that they will usually no longer risk intervention with.
 
2013-03-12 11:59:57 AM  

You Are All Sheep: What I hate about a lot of this is the amount of characters that won't say that ONE thing that will help people figure things out, just to keep the plot moving.
"what happened to maggie"
"he's a sick man"

wtf...yea let her keep guessing.  what, he fed her worms?  gave her a pedicure?  Judas.


You really expect a guy to speak candidly about his daughter being sexually assaulted?  I'm pretty sure Andrea got the message.
 
2013-03-12 12:28:31 PM  

fusillade762: ranak: MyKingdomForYourHorse: ranak: Andrea got told flat-out to go make someone a sandwich. Maybe that's the kick-in-the-ass she needs.

And the wheels started to turn in Milton's head.

Andrea's as well. And if next week is to be believed, then she'll pull in Tyrese and his group to help her out.

Might want to sit down for this one: I just read in Entertainment Weekly that Kirkman said, and I quote "The rest of the season is going to be about Andrea."

I guess it's a good thing there's only a few episodes left.


It makes sense. It seems that they are setting it up so that she leads a revolt at Woodburry, so it would makes sense that the rest of the season is building towards that.

I think it would be awesome if the season ended with a battle that includes the Governor attacking the prison, and Andrea leading a group from Woodburry attacking the governor. Then in the midst of this giant fight they encounter a mega herd  that basically along with the battle, leaves the prison and Woodburry either destroyed or  undefended, and wipes out most of the population of Woodburry.
 
2013-03-12 12:44:29 PM  
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-03-12 02:30:29 PM  

GoldSpider: dajoro: Or grow up.

I did.  I cancelled cable.


What GoldSpider might look like
www.madmann.com
 
2013-03-12 07:54:11 PM  

ongbok: fusillade762: ranak: MyKingdomForYourHorse: ranak: Andrea got told flat-out to go make someone a sandwich. Maybe that's the kick-in-the-ass she needs.

And the wheels started to turn in Milton's head.

Andrea's as well. And if next week is to be believed, then she'll pull in Tyrese and his group to help her out.

Might want to sit down for this one: I just read in Entertainment Weekly that Kirkman said, and I quote "The rest of the season is going to be about Andrea."

I guess it's a good thing there's only a few episodes left.

It makes sense. It seems that they are setting it up so that she leads a revolt at Woodburry, so it would makes sense that the rest of the season is building towards that.

I think it would be awesome if the season ended with a battle that includes the Governor attacking the prison, and Andrea leading a group from Woodburry attacking the governor. Then in the midst of this giant fight they encounter a mega herd  that basically along with the battle, leaves the prison and Woodburry either destroyed or  undefended, and wipes out most of the population of Woodburry.


That was my prediction from the start. The Woodbury folks are DOOOOOMED. I'm betting the place burns to the ground.
 
2013-03-12 11:51:21 PM  

kumanoki: MyKingdomForYourHorse: vudukungfu: justtray: In the comic Rick has no problem killing the leader of the prison group in cold blood during a zombie attack.

Wait.
there's a comic?

CSB

My wife made fun of me for the longest for reading The Walking Dead. Then when the show came out I got even more grief for watching it. That was anyway until I got her to sit down for a few episodes of season 3. She was hooked and watched it front to back from season 1.

I walked in to our bedroom earlier this year and she had one of the issues from Volume 2 and was reading it. She looked up over the comic at me and said

"Shut up, shut up, I don't want to hear"

Cool story, Bro!

/I live for those moments
//been married 12 years, hapenned a handful of times
///slashies


I got my girlfriend caught up on Season 1 right before Season 2 premiered and she was farking HOOKED. She's watched all of the show read the first omnibus of the comic and got "The Rise of the Govenor" for her kindle. Hoping to get her on BSG and GoT next :)
 
2013-03-13 11:37:57 AM  
Did anybody actually read what Kirkman said?

/i didn't
 
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