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(The Daily Dolt)   Paul Ryan concedes the GOP budget numbers are based on the assumption that a unicorn will poop billions of gold coins directly into the Capitol building sometime during FYs 2013-2023: "Well, we believe it should"   (thedailydolt.com) divider line 47
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2013-03-11 11:21:27 AM
3 votes:
Paul Ryan More Of a 'Glass Half Full' Kind Of Guy When It Comes To GOP Budget Projections

More like 'skull all empty'
2013-03-11 11:20:25 AM
3 votes:
Dear Republican Party:

"Entitlement" is not a bad word. I'm "entitled" to it, because I have FARKING PAID INTO IT MY WHOLE LIFE. To have elected officials who more or less get healthcare and benefits for life try to make decisions about things I've already bought into is insulting at best, laughable at worst.

Nevermind the fact that for-profit health care is as big a failure as "trickle-down."
2013-03-11 11:10:06 AM
3 votes:

Smackledorfer: People who work out indoors wearing a hat are farking retards.

"I'm going to get sweaty... I think I'll keep it from evaporating."


People who get a professional photographer to take pictures of themselves in front backdrop pretending to be working out are also farking retards.
2013-03-11 10:48:11 AM
3 votes:
It is really no different from his previous budget that assumed that massive tax cuts for the rich would result in 10% growth over 10 years per year because Socialism. That has never happened and you can't base a budget on an unproven assumption unless you are using Republican Math.  You can balance anything if you make crazy assumptions.
2013-03-11 09:47:22 AM
3 votes:
Paul's back to embracing Medicare cuts as well, after expressly campaigning against them to be VP just a few months ago.
2013-03-11 09:33:18 AM
3 votes:
Imagine that Mitt Romney had decisively defeated Obama in the 2012 election on a platform of tax cuts for the rich and deep cuts to government as the only way to reduce the deficit, dramatically repudiating the President's call for higher taxes on the wealthy, continued implementation of the biggest expansion of the safety net in 60 years, and more government spending to boost the economy.

Then imagine that Democrats in the Senate (the only part of government they controlled) responded to this by proposing to dramatically expand health care and stimulus spending and pay down the deficit only with 100 percent tax hikes - and not a single penny more in spending cuts - and on top of that, then suggested President Romney has failed to sincerely try to find common ground with them. Link
2013-03-11 12:19:23 PM
2 votes:
you want to balance the budget?  ok, fine.  lets consider who's got all the money in this county.  1% of the population has FORTY PERCENT of all the money we ever made.  they've got more money then they will ever be able to spend.  their kids and grand kids won't be able to spend all that cash.  that's how much money they've got.  F*cking Caligula would be embarrassed to have that much wealth.  there is no disputing that a very small and elite group of people own significant portions of the entire industrial output of the United States.

So we've established who has the biggest pile of cash.  And we know that pile is pretty damn big.  Huge, in fact.  why are we not taxing that pile of cash?  they can easily afford it.  they can flat out pay 90% in taxes and not even begin to feel the pinch.  plus they get way more in services and attention from the US government than the average citizen does - one of the elite 1% snaps his fingers, he gets senators showing up at his house to shine his shoes.  I say we make 'em pay for that level of attention.  we keep their companies safe, we protect their investments, we make sure the rich are pampered to an obscene degree.  time to step up and pay the bill for all that service.
2013-03-11 12:12:38 PM
2 votes:
I don't get it.  how is the GOP planning on regaining lost ground in 2014 when they seem dedicated to repeating the same mistakes that lost them the white house to Obama...?
2013-03-11 11:45:11 AM
2 votes:
What's really neat is how much of the GOP economic platform, including tax cuts for the rich, match those of countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt. I'm not saying, just saying..
2013-03-11 11:32:14 AM
2 votes:
They don't honestly expect this to pass. They just want to be able to say they passed a budget proposal in the house, and that the Democrats didn't pass it.

What they are counting on, is for people to not pay attention to WHY it won't pass.
2013-03-11 11:19:43 AM
2 votes:

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Republican budgets usually assume record breaking rates of growth with no reason for expecting such unprecedented levels other than 'tax cuts'.


origin.heritage.org

Backed up by 'think' tanks, promoted by right wing TV and radio.
2013-03-11 11:11:21 AM
2 votes:
This is the GOP's "math guy".
2013-03-11 11:00:33 AM
2 votes:
If you took a 6 month old dog turd and then rolled it in fresh diarrhea  baked it for 2 hours and then shoved a stick through it and put it in front of a microphone it would still be more likable than Paul Ryan.
2013-03-11 10:29:12 AM
2 votes:
ObamaCare will not be repealed.  They know it.  They tried 30+ times.  Really, all he is saying here is "If you don't do what we want, the most cooperation you can expect from us is wetting our pants, throwing ourselves on the floor, and having a temper tantrum.  We certainly aren't going to deal with reality unless it is OUR reality."
2013-03-11 10:13:24 AM
2 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low


I think we should import that fine Japanese tradition of killing yourself when you're a total disgrace.
2013-03-11 10:06:27 AM
2 votes:
This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low
2013-03-11 09:55:00 AM
2 votes:
This is more math that Republicans do to feel better and study it out and furthermore,
2013-03-11 03:08:28 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: I don't get it.  how is the GOP planning on regaining lost ground in 2014 when they seem dedicated to repeating the same mistakes that lost them the white house to Obama...?


They're counting on liberals to not show up, like in 2010.
2013-03-11 01:36:05 PM
1 votes:

randomjsa: So they're only slightly more realistic than the ObamCare numbers then.

Politicians creating bills that are a pipe dream in terms of what will actually happen is nothing new but I guess since we're going with the liberal rule of "Intentions, Not Results" then we get to be critical of Ryan now.


Right, because trying to end ObamaCare for the 36th time is in no way grandstanding and a perfectly good use of time in tying up the House with a budget bill that's going to be DOA in the Senate.  And I won't even mention how he's not at all hypocritical for proposing $700 million in Medicaid cuts, falsely slamming Obama for cutting Medicaid by $700 million during the election, and then putting the $700 million in Medicaid cuts into his budget proposal.

But I'm sure that makes perfect sense to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Fox News, GOP shills and anyone who has the attention span of a ferret.
2013-03-11 01:30:00 PM
1 votes:

randomjsa: So they're only slightly more realistic than the ObamCare numbers then.

Politicians creating bills that are a pipe dream in terms of what will actually happen is nothing new but I guess since we're going with the liberal rule of "Intentions, Not Results" "your own party laughed in your face last time you submitted this," then we get to be critical of Ryan now.

2013-03-11 01:23:46 PM
1 votes:

Tomahawk513: Sergeant Grumbles: Weaver95: you want to balance the budget?  ok, fine.  lets consider who's got all the money in this county.  1% of the population has FORTY PERCENT of all the money we ever made.  they've got more money then they will ever be able to spend.  their kids and grand kids won't be able to spend all that cash.  that's how much money they've got.  F*cking Caligula would be embarrassed to have that much wealth.  there is no disputing that a very small and elite group of people own significant portions of the entire industrial output of the United States.

So we've established who has the biggest pile of cash.  And we know that pile is pretty damn big.  Huge, in fact.  why are we not taxing that pile of cash?  they can easily afford it.  they can flat out pay 90% in taxes and not even begin to feel the pinch.  plus they get way more in services and attention from the US government than the average citizen does - one of the elite 1% snaps his fingers, he gets senators showing up at his house to shine his shoes.  I say we make 'em pay for that level of attention.  we keep their companies safe, we protect their investments, we make sure the rich are pampered to an obscene degree.  time to step up and pay the bill for all that service.

something something tax is theft, something something socialism

I really don't know. What you said makes sense. It would make sense if you replace taxes/money with anything else. You go to the biggest source to get the most of what you need.

The right-wing relatives I deal with, and many of the right-wing on FARK, still seems to view all tax as theft, so I'm not sure how to reconcile that. Maybe you have a better insight, being a Republican that got off the crazy train before it sped off full bore to Derpsville.

I would ask them to imagine a world in which there are no taxes.


cuip.uchicago.edu
2013-03-11 01:00:56 PM
1 votes:

qorkfiend: I can see it now: "Well, Obama ignored Congress and was the most imperial president in history, so as far as I'm concerned, President Santorum can do whatever he wants."


They'll say it anyway and nobody will question it.  I think that they're so used to getting what they want that they've forgotten that there are rules.
2013-03-11 12:36:03 PM
1 votes:

MattStafford: All budget projects - both left and right - are extremely rosy.


To people with fake degrees in economics like you, this is true.

I know you don't give a shiat, but the CBO does a pretty good job.
2013-03-11 12:11:20 PM
1 votes:
"this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?! "

Will someone wake me when any leadership appears? I would appreciate that.
2013-03-11 12:09:51 PM
1 votes:
WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!
2013-03-11 12:07:46 PM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: spmkk: subby: Repealing "Obamacare" == "a unicorn will poop billions of gold coins directly into the Capitol building" (i.e. a windfall of money)


Are we FINALLY admitting our budget would, in fact, be better off without this behemoth of a health care act that's supposedly going to save us money?

No. And voters don't give a shiat about the budget. It's all talk.


I think many voters really DO give a shiat about the budget.  They don't actually understand why it should be important, nor do they pay enough attention to support good solutions instead of simple talking points, but they definitely care.  I mean, these are the guys who thought defunding PP and NPR would make a difference.
2013-03-11 12:06:11 PM
1 votes:
Failed to repeal it in 30+ attempts last term.  Then loses White House election to the guy who built the plan.  Loses seats in Senate and House.  Obamacare rises in popularity among the voting populace.  GOP popularity and favorability drops to historic lows.

This must mean it's time to double down and assume they can repeal it, and base all of their future planning efforts on that assumption.  So, nothing has changed in the GOP.
2013-03-11 12:05:11 PM
1 votes:

spmkk: subby: Repealing "Obamacare" == "a unicorn will poop billions of gold coins directly into the Capitol building" (i.e. a windfall of money)


Are we FINALLY admitting our budget would, in fact, be better off without this behemoth of a health care act that's supposedly going to save us money?


No. And voters don't give a shiat about the budget. It's all talk.
2013-03-11 11:58:47 AM
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: Smackledorfer: People who work out indoors wearing a hat are farking retards.

"I'm going to get sweaty... I think I'll keep it from evaporating."

Sweat is designed to keep you cool - similar to leaving a hot shower, all of a sudden those warm beads of water are bone-chilling after a few seconds of environmental exposure. A sweat-soaked headband may serve to keep the forehead cool. (Also to keep sweat out of your eyes.)

I learned this from an infomercial where they actually took surface temp readings from a sprinter on a treadmill while wearing a moisture-wicking shirt and a regular t-shirt. Dude got hotter when his sweat was thoughtfully evaporated from its rightful place on his skin.

// of course, you'll still LOOK like a douche
// and a ballcap is super-douchey


Thanks for that brilliant info-mercial based science.

I work out.  Hats keep you hotter while working out.  Headbands aren't for keeping you cooler, they are for keeping salty sweat from raining down on your eyes. I assure you that the skin on your head keeps enough water to aid in the cooling process just fine without a hat. If anything a tight hat will function something like a wetsuit where you have a thin layer of heated water stuck on your skin and are you are no longer gaining the benefit of increased heat loss from the moisture instead of dry air.

I especially love "rightful place on his skin".  Are you making a religious argument that god intended us to wear cotton t-shirts, or are you making a ridiculous claim that we evolved to wear t-shirts while exercising?


Snarky annoyance aside: go to the gym yourself, don't watch half an an informercial and pretend to be an authority.  Informercials are there to sell you something, not teach you something.
2013-03-11 11:58:25 AM
1 votes:

Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.


They sure did, but the only one they remember is that they kept control of the House of Representatives.
2013-03-11 11:32:35 AM
1 votes:
I thought Medicare and the ACA were pretty much mutually exclusive.

Medicare is for retirees while the ACA deals with everyone that isn't retired.
2013-03-11 11:29:16 AM
1 votes:
Paul Ryan:  Policy Genius.
2013-03-11 11:28:23 AM
1 votes:

vernonFL: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 181x278]

I don't have time to mansplain my budget to you.


A heartbeat away from the Oval Office, dude.  Thank God for Romney's utterly abysmal character and campaign.
2013-03-11 11:25:12 AM
1 votes:

BillCo: So, the same budget assumptions that were used to prop up Obamacare.  Interesting.


There, there, little guy. We know math is difficult for you. Just keep plugging away at it and you'll eventually pass your state's high school graduation test.
2013-03-11 11:21:50 AM
1 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: One day in the next 20 to 50 years a top secret GOP memo will be leaked which will let us know that somewhere around the year 2001, Republicans decided that they were giving the American public too much credit when they figured we pay attention to their shenanigans.


www.washingtonsblog.com
2013-03-11 11:20:05 AM
1 votes:
Does he still assume 2% unemployment like he did in his pre-election "plan"?
2013-03-11 11:13:07 AM
1 votes:

MattStafford: All budget projects - both left and right - are extremely rosy.


Generally I think Democrat budgets are optimistic, perhaps a bit more so than they should be.

Republican budgets usually assume record breaking rates of growth with no reason for expecting such unprecedented levels other than 'tax cuts'.
2013-03-11 11:10:31 AM
1 votes:
the GOP budget numbers make perfect sense if one simply starts with a set of wildly implausible premises.

That trickle down economics works?
2013-03-11 11:08:55 AM
1 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low


In normal times you would be correct.

These are not normal times, and Paul Ryan is seen as a leading intellectual in Conservative circles.
2013-03-11 10:50:22 AM
1 votes:
The GOP's Great White Dope, Ladies and Gentlemen...
2013-03-11 10:33:01 AM
1 votes:

Diogenes: GAT_00: Paul's back to embracing Medicare cuts as well, after expressly campaigning against them to be VP just a few months ago.

Life's too short.  I just assume everything he says is a lie and/or has an ulterior motive.


FTFY
2013-03-11 10:18:57 AM
1 votes:

Tigger: Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low

I think we should import that fine Japanese tradition of killing yourself when you're a total disgrace.


He could always live on a remote Pacific island for 30 years refusing to believe the election is over
2013-03-11 09:54:19 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Paul's back to embracing Medicare cuts as well, after expressly campaigning against them to be VP just a few months ago.


Life's too short.  I just assume everything he says is a lie and/or has an ulterior motive.
2013-03-11 09:30:16 AM
1 votes:
So, the same budget assumptions that were used to prop up Obamacare.  Interesting.
2013-03-11 09:27:33 AM
1 votes:
And let's not forget this is their "super smart numbers guy and policy wonk".
2013-03-11 09:20:35 AM
1 votes:
The flaw in their thinking is that unicorns poop rainbows, not gold.
2013-03-11 08:58:14 AM
1 votes:
Gold price crashes, international markets in death spiral, Paul Ryan proclaims victory.
 
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