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(The Daily Dolt)   Paul Ryan concedes the GOP budget numbers are based on the assumption that a unicorn will poop billions of gold coins directly into the Capitol building sometime during FYs 2013-2023: "Well, we believe it should"   (thedailydolt.com ) divider line
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2013-03-11 01:24:38 PM  
A unicorn will  poop billions of gold coins directly into the Capitol building

Might have happened if Romney had been elected, and they would have put all their effort into gearing up the Alberta Pipeline and all the environmental degradation happening in North Dakota,  for "jobs."
 
2013-03-11 01:28:57 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: "We believe it should."

Keep it up, shiatbags. In 2016 millions of voters will be benefitting from Obamacare.


I think this is why they have to attack it and try to defeat it now.

It seems they have run the numbers and the ACA will work and save money, cost them seats, etc.

Because if they have run the numbers and it looks like a big bust in the future they would hold off and run on an "I told you so" platform. If the ACA was and will be a bust this would work for them and permanently disqualify the Democrats on any future health care reform (think "Hillary Care" and HMO's).

Thus, their constant complaints make me comfortable the ACA will have a net positive effect. Though single payer would still be preferential, and is still worth the work.
 
2013-03-11 01:30:00 PM  

randomjsa: So they're only slightly more realistic than the ObamCare numbers then.

Politicians creating bills that are a pipe dream in terms of what will actually happen is nothing new but I guess since we're going with the liberal rule of "Intentions, Not Results" "your own party laughed in your face last time you submitted this," then we get to be critical of Ryan now.

 
2013-03-11 01:35:00 PM  

SixPaperJoint: Thus, their constant complaints make me comfortable the ACA will have a net positive effect. Though single payer would still be preferential, and is still worth the work.


It's telling that they constantly repeat that the Democrats only passed it to win votes from "those people".

// as if the GOP can't or isn't or wouldn't do the very same thing (tax cuts for the rich)
// or isn't in a majority position to actually get repeal through the House
 
2013-03-11 01:36:01 PM  

Weaver95: WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!


When Chris Wallace goes "Dude!" on you, you know you went full retard.
 
2013-03-11 01:36:05 PM  

randomjsa: So they're only slightly more realistic than the ObamCare numbers then.

Politicians creating bills that are a pipe dream in terms of what will actually happen is nothing new but I guess since we're going with the liberal rule of "Intentions, Not Results" then we get to be critical of Ryan now.


Right, because trying to end ObamaCare for the 36th time is in no way grandstanding and a perfectly good use of time in tying up the House with a budget bill that's going to be DOA in the Senate.  And I won't even mention how he's not at all hypocritical for proposing $700 million in Medicaid cuts, falsely slamming Obama for cutting Medicaid by $700 million during the election, and then putting the $700 million in Medicaid cuts into his budget proposal.

But I'm sure that makes perfect sense to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Fox News, GOP shills and anyone who has the attention span of a ferret.
 
2013-03-11 01:37:40 PM  

Tomahawk513: I would ask them to imagine a world in which there are no taxes.


I'm sure every last one of them thinks, if not swimming in their money bin, they and everyone else would be much better off. "The money will go where it needs to go." is the excuse, as if the country road out to my great uncle's nearly bankrupt excavation business is where any of that money is going to go.
I already know what he thinks, he thinks the county would pave his road better if they weren't spending it the "wrong" parts of town. After all, he's a job creator, blah blah. He also think his business is nearly bankrupt because of regulations, like the ones that say he has to keep his digging machinery in decent condition or can't dump excess dirt wherever he wants.

Don't know how to reconcile with these people.
 
2013-03-11 01:42:23 PM  
Even I can't defend this.  Even the John Roberts Supreme Court ruled Obamacare constitutional.
 
2013-03-11 01:52:55 PM  

Dr Dreidel: SixPaperJoint: Thus, their constant complaints make me comfortable the ACA will have a net positive effect. Though single payer would still be preferential, and is still worth the work.

It's telling that they constantly repeat that the Democrats only passed it to win votes from "those people".

// as if the GOP can't or isn't or wouldn't do the very same thing (tax cuts for the rich)
// or isn't in a majority position to actually get repeal through the House


CSB/
I have a friend that hates Corey Booker because he is trying to win votes from "those people". I have never gotten an answer to why making the lives of your constituents better is a bad thing. If a politician is pandering by being a good community servant aren't we as a whole completely farked? Booker may have other faults but my friend doesn't mention them and I don't know because I live in IL and only hear of Booker when he's saving someone from a burning house or whatever.
end CSB/

In short:
Why would pandering to your constituents by making their lives better/easier automatically be a bad thing.
 
2013-03-11 02:26:43 PM  

Hobodeluxe: randomjsa: So they're only slightly more realistic than the ObamCare numbers then.

Politicians creating bills that are a pipe dream in terms of what will actually happen is nothing new but I guess since we're going with the liberal rule of "Intentions, Not Results" then we get to be critical of Ryan now.

Name one independent source for your claim


randomjsa's sources:

~ his ass
 
2013-03-11 02:32:04 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Hobodeluxe: randomjsa: So they're only slightly more realistic than the ObamCare numbers then.

Politicians creating bills that are a pipe dream in terms of what will actually happen is nothing new but I guess since we're going with the liberal rule of "Intentions, Not Results" then we get to be critical of Ryan now.

Name one independent source for your claim

randomjsa's sources:

~ his ass



Lionel, never stop being awesome.
 
2013-03-11 02:42:33 PM  

SixPaperJoint: Dr Dreidel: SixPaperJoint: Thus, their constant complaints make me comfortable the ACA will have a net positive effect. Though single payer would still be preferential, and is still worth the work.

It's telling that they constantly repeat that the Democrats only passed it to win votes from "those people".

// as if the GOP can't or isn't or wouldn't do the very same thing (tax cuts for the rich)
// or isn't in a majority position to actually get repeal through the House

CSB/
I have a friend that hates Corey Booker because he is trying to win votes from "those people". I have never gotten an answer to why making the lives of your constituents better is a bad thing. If a politician is pandering by being a good community servant aren't we as a whole completely farked? Booker may have other faults but my friend doesn't mention them and I don't know because I live in IL and only hear of Booker when he's saving someone from a burning house or whatever.
end CSB/

In short:
Why would pandering to your constituents by making their lives better/easier automatically be a bad thing.


When the constituent being pandered to isn't you, but instead some nebulous other you don't approve of?  I'm not saying it's fair, but it's understandable.
 
2013-03-11 02:56:42 PM  
Now, Mr. Ryan, I'm a politician.  Which means that when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their candy. But that also means I keep my options open..
 
2013-03-11 03:07:53 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Weaver95: WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!

He's a numbers guy! A policy wonk! He's a numbers policy wonk! Don't you know!? Haven't you been listening? He's an idea policy numbers wonk! HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO INSIST HE'S SERIOUS BEFORE YOU UNDERSTAND HE'S A SERIOUS NUMBERS WONK POLICY IDEA?!?!?!?!?!?


As always, at least one more time...
 
2013-03-11 03:08:28 PM  

Weaver95: I don't get it.  how is the GOP planning on regaining lost ground in 2014 when they seem dedicated to repeating the same mistakes that lost them the white house to Obama...?


They're counting on liberals to not show up, like in 2010.
 
2013-03-11 03:14:54 PM  

qorkfiend: I can see it now: "Well, Obama ignored Congress and was the most imperial president in history, so as far as I'm concerned, President Santorum can do whatever he wants."


Hearing those words makes me ill. Kind of a greasy-brown feeling.
 
2013-03-11 03:31:37 PM  

Diogenes: GAT_00: Paul's back to embracing Medicare cuts as well, after expressly campaigning against them to be VP just a few months ago.

Life's too short.  I just assume everything he says is a lie and/or has an ulterior motive.


He is over 25, has a job that requires him to understand how government actually works, and still takes Ayn Rand seriously.   That's a working defintion of "mentally ill" as far as a I am concerned.   Given hsi  comments on the campgin trail, especially his lies about the most trivial of accomplishments, I wouldn't  balk at "pathological liar" as a differential diagnosis
 
2013-03-11 03:51:57 PM  

Magorn: Diogenes: GAT_00: Paul's back to embracing Medicare cuts as well, after expressly campaigning against them to be VP just a few months ago.

Life's too short.  I just assume everything he says is a lie and/or has an ulterior motive.

He is over 25, has a job that requires him to understand how government actually works, and still takes Ayn Rand seriously.   That's a working defintion of "mentally ill" as far as a I am concerned.   Given hsi  comments on the campgin trail, especially his lies about the most trivial of accomplishments, I wouldn't  balk at "pathological liar" as a differential diagnosis


Is it still lying if *he* believes it when he's saying it?

Because *technically*... he could be *wrong*, but not *lying*.

Yeah, yeah... that's the ticket.
 
2013-03-11 04:57:59 PM  

Weaver95: you want to balance the budget?  ok, fine.  lets consider who's got all the money in this county.  1% of the population has FORTY PERCENT of all the money we ever made.  they've got more money then they will ever be able to spend.  their kids and grand kids won't be able to spend all that cash.  that's how much money they've got.  F*cking Caligula would be embarrassed to have that much wealth.  there is no disputing that a very small and elite group of people own significant portions of the entire industrial output of the United States.

So we've established who has the biggest pile of cash.  And we know that pile is pretty damn big.  Huge, in fact.  why are we not taxing that pile of cash?  they can easily afford it.  they can flat out pay 90% in taxes and not even begin to feel the pinch.  plus they get way more in services and attention from the US government than the average citizen does - one of the elite 1% snaps his fingers, he gets senators showing up at his house to shine his shoes.  I say we make 'em pay for that level of attention.  we keep their companies safe, we protect their investments, we make sure the rich are pampered to an obscene degree.  time to step up and pay the bill for all that service.



"All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."    -- Ben Franklin, on estate taxes, but he could have just as easily been referring to taxation generally.
 
2013-03-11 07:15:33 PM  

Speaker2Animals: Weaver95: you want to balance the budget?  ok, fine.  lets consider who's got all the money in this county.  1% of the population has FORTY PERCENT of all the money we ever made.  they've got more money then they will ever be able to spend.  their kids and grand kids won't be able to spend all that cash.  that's how much money they've got.  F*cking Caligula would be embarrassed to have that much wealth.  there is no disputing that a very small and elite group of people own significant portions of the entire industrial output of the United States.

So we've established who has the biggest pile of cash.  And we know that pile is pretty damn big.  Huge, in fact.  why are we not taxing that pile of cash?  they can easily afford it.  they can flat out pay 90% in taxes and not even begin to feel the pinch.  plus they get way more in services and attention from the US government than the average citizen does - one of the elite 1% snaps his fingers, he gets senators showing up at his house to shine his shoes.  I say we make 'em pay for that level of attention.  we keep their companies safe, we protect their investments, we make sure the rich are pampered to an obscene degree.  time to step up and pay the bill for all that service.

"All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."    -- Ben Franklin, on estate taxes, but he could have just as easily been referring to taxation generally.



Paul Ryan = eater of grass
 
2013-03-11 08:09:51 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Smackledorfer: I especially love "rightful place on his skin". Are you making a religious argument that god intended us to wear cotton t-shirts, or are you making a ridiculous claim that we evolved to wear t-shirts while exercising?

Snarky annoyance aside: go to the gym yourself, don't watch half an an informercial and pretend to be an authority. Informercials are there to sell you something, not teach you something.

Um, you may want to reread. The sweat's rightful place is on the skin, and it is only the heathen cotton fibers that tear it away from the bosom of your bosom.

The infomercial was selling an alternative to both - a shirt that wicked away moisture, but collected it (through the science of capillarity) in sensitive spots like the back of the neck. The moisture would be off the skin, but still acting as a coolant. The temp readings (assuming they were accurate) are a matter of fact, not salesmanship.

// besides which, I'm not going to a gym just to prove a point to someone I've never met
// so sweat is just smelly water that is released onto the skin for celebratory purposes and not to keep the body cool?


You were comparing moisture-wicking with "regular t-shirts" ie cotton.

Now you are introducing new information and telling me to reread your original rubbish.

There is no 'rightful place' for sweat, shirts aren't hats, and you are changing the facts of your citation of 'some infomercial you saw one time' for what purpose, exactly?

Do you love Paul Ryan that much, or what?
 
2013-03-11 08:36:35 PM  

Flab: There's a leprechaun with a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.  It is known.


img708.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-12 12:35:34 AM  

sammyk: Why wont Obama be reasonable and meet the republicans halfway?

/too early for this derp


Because he's have to backtrack left to get there?

Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low


Don't forget, this guy's district reelected him by double digits.  Combine that with the fact that he is able to construct a bubble strong enough to shield him from the fact that he and Mitt were gonna lose the Presidential race, and it's pretty plausible that he doesn't realize most of the nation thinks he's a tool.
 
2013-03-12 10:16:55 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: sammyk: Why wont Obama be reasonable and meet the republicans halfway?

/too early for this derp

Because he's have to backtrack left to get there?

Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low

Don't forget, this guy's district reelected him by double digits.  Combine that with the fact that he is able to construct a bubble strong enough to shield him from the fact that he and Mitt were gonna lose the Presidential race, and it's pretty plausible that he doesn't realize most of the nation thinks he's a tool.


Could we send him a letter?

/post cards?
 
2013-03-12 10:22:41 AM  

KushanMadman: Don't Troll Me Bro!: sammyk: Why wont Obama be reasonable and meet the republicans halfway?

/too early for this derp

Because he's have to backtrack left to get there?

Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low

Don't forget, this guy's district reelected him by double digits.  Combine that with the fact that he is able to construct a bubble strong enough to shield him from the fact that he and Mitt were gonna lose the Presidential race, and it's pretty plausible that he doesn't realize most of the nation thinks he's a tool.

Could we send him a letter?

/post cards?


I don't see why not.
http://paulryan.house.gov/contact/
 
2013-03-13 10:27:16 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: sammyk: Why wont Obama be reasonable and meet the republicans halfway?

/too early for this derp

Because he's have to backtrack left to get there?

Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low

Don't forget, this guy's district reelected him by double digits.  Combine that with the fact that he is able to construct a bubble strong enough to shield him from the fact that he and Mitt were gonna lose the Presidential race, and it's pretty plausible that he doesn't realize most of the nation thinks he's a tool.


That is only because they newly gerrymandered his district all the way over to Waukesha to take in some of the richie riches. He did not actually carry his home area around Janesville, they hate him there.
 
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