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(The Daily Dolt)   Paul Ryan concedes the GOP budget numbers are based on the assumption that a unicorn will poop billions of gold coins directly into the Capitol building sometime during FYs 2013-2023: "Well, we believe it should"   (thedailydolt.com) divider line 176
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2013-03-11 12:03:35 PM  

dinch: Flab: Smackledorfer: People who work out indoors wearing a hat are farking retards.

"I'm going to get sweaty... I think I'll keep it from evaporating."

People who get a professional photographer to take pictures of themselves in front backdrop pretending to be working out are also farking retards.

I've always wondered about that. What the hell were those pics for anyway? To get the wimmen vote?


They were for promotion to promote the congressional work out club (yes such a thing exists) and his participating in the p90x program. He even did a testimonial for the program on one of its infomercials.
 
2013-03-11 12:05:11 PM  

spmkk: subby: Repealing "Obamacare" == "a unicorn will poop billions of gold coins directly into the Capitol building" (i.e. a windfall of money)


Are we FINALLY admitting our budget would, in fact, be better off without this behemoth of a health care act that's supposedly going to save us money?


No. And voters don't give a shiat about the budget. It's all talk.
 
2013-03-11 12:05:23 PM  

zenobia: Doh. Smackledorfer beat me. Should have refreshed.


No worries, it bears repeating :D
 
2013-03-11 12:06:11 PM  
Failed to repeal it in 30+ attempts last term.  Then loses White House election to the guy who built the plan.  Loses seats in Senate and House.  Obamacare rises in popularity among the voting populace.  GOP popularity and favorability drops to historic lows.

This must mean it's time to double down and assume they can repeal it, and base all of their future planning efforts on that assumption.  So, nothing has changed in the GOP.
 
2013-03-11 12:07:46 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: spmkk: subby: Repealing "Obamacare" == "a unicorn will poop billions of gold coins directly into the Capitol building" (i.e. a windfall of money)


Are we FINALLY admitting our budget would, in fact, be better off without this behemoth of a health care act that's supposedly going to save us money?

No. And voters don't give a shiat about the budget. It's all talk.


I think many voters really DO give a shiat about the budget.  They don't actually understand why it should be important, nor do they pay enough attention to support good solutions instead of simple talking points, but they definitely care.  I mean, these are the guys who thought defunding PP and NPR would make a difference.
 
2013-03-11 12:09:03 PM  
Christ, he's just saying exactly the same shiat is during the campaign.

Proceed, congressman.
 
2013-03-11 12:09:13 PM  

Smackledorfer: I especially love "rightful place on his skin". Are you making a religious argument that god intended us to wear cotton t-shirts, or are you making a ridiculous claim that we evolved to wear t-shirts while exercising?

Snarky annoyance aside: go to the gym yourself, don't watch half an an informercial and pretend to be an authority. Informercials are there to sell you something, not teach you something.


Um, you may want to reread. The sweat's rightful place is on the skin, and it is only the heathen cotton fibers that tear it away from the bosom of your bosom.

The infomercial was selling an alternative to both - a shirt that wicked away moisture, but collected it (through the science of capillarity) in sensitive spots like the back of the neck. The moisture would be off the skin, but still acting as a coolant. The temp readings (assuming they were accurate) are a matter of fact, not salesmanship.

// besides which, I'm not going to a gym just to prove a point to someone I've never met
// so sweat is just smelly water that is released onto the skin for celebratory purposes and not to keep the body cool?
 
2013-03-11 12:09:43 PM  
I love the new packaging. Since both are the same.Schweet!

/day 10 of sequester, doing fine.
 
2013-03-11 12:09:51 PM  
WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!
 
2013-03-11 12:11:20 PM  
"this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?! "

Will someone wake me when any leadership appears? I would appreciate that.
 
2013-03-11 12:11:43 PM  

Weaver95: WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!


He's a numbers guy! A policy wonk! He's a numbers policy wonk! Don't you know!? Haven't you been listening? He's an idea policy numbers wonk! HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO INSIST HE'S SERIOUS BEFORE YOU UNDERSTAND HE'S A SERIOUS NUMBERS WONK POLICY IDEA?!?!?!?!?!?
 
2013-03-11 12:12:38 PM  
I don't get it.  how is the GOP planning on regaining lost ground in 2014 when they seem dedicated to repeating the same mistakes that lost them the white house to Obama...?
 
2013-03-11 12:13:26 PM  

jaggspb: Cletus C.: zarberg: Dear Republican Party:

"Entitlement" is not a bad word. I'm "entitled" to it, because I have FARKING PAID INTO IT MY WHOLE LIFE. To have elected officials who more or less get healthcare and benefits for life try to make decisions about things I've already bought into is insulting at best, laughable at worst.

Nevermind the fact that for-profit health care is as big a failure as "trickle-down."

No worries. It will magically be there for you, even if the numbers say it won't. Trust.

So you agree that we should bump up the cap to easily fix the shortage then?


For the short term, adjustments to age eligibility, more of a needs-based approach and perhaps savings realized by Obamacare, if they happen, would make keep it solvent for you and I.
 
2013-03-11 12:14:59 PM  

palelizard: Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.

No.  No they did not.  Why should they? Life becomes what you believe it to be.


"The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism.He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
 
2013-03-11 12:15:32 PM  

SploogeTime: I love the new packaging. Since both are the same.Schweet!

/day 10 of sequester, doing fine.


10 whole days?  Well, that seems like plenty of time make judgments on the effects of the sequester.
 
Bf+
2013-03-11 12:17:16 PM  
i.huffpost.com
weknowmemes.com
 
2013-03-11 12:17:36 PM  

Weaver95: I don't get it.  how is the GOP planning on regaining lost ground in 2014 when they seem dedicated to repeating the same mistakes that lost them the white house to Obama...?


They're banking on people not paying attention during midterm years; historically this is a pretty safe bet.
 
2013-03-11 12:19:05 PM  

Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.


Of course they did. They realized they kept the House. I don't blame them for that.
 
2013-03-11 12:19:23 PM  
you want to balance the budget?  ok, fine.  lets consider who's got all the money in this county.  1% of the population has FORTY PERCENT of all the money we ever made.  they've got more money then they will ever be able to spend.  their kids and grand kids won't be able to spend all that cash.  that's how much money they've got.  F*cking Caligula would be embarrassed to have that much wealth.  there is no disputing that a very small and elite group of people own significant portions of the entire industrial output of the United States.

So we've established who has the biggest pile of cash.  And we know that pile is pretty damn big.  Huge, in fact.  why are we not taxing that pile of cash?  they can easily afford it.  they can flat out pay 90% in taxes and not even begin to feel the pinch.  plus they get way more in services and attention from the US government than the average citizen does - one of the elite 1% snaps his fingers, he gets senators showing up at his house to shine his shoes.  I say we make 'em pay for that level of attention.  we keep their companies safe, we protect their investments, we make sure the rich are pampered to an obscene degree.  time to step up and pay the bill for all that service.
 
2013-03-11 12:19:30 PM  

odinsposse: palelizard: Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.

No.  No they did not.  Why should they? Life becomes what you believe it to be.

"The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism.He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."


Did they ever acknowledge which asshole said that?  God, I hope they get cancer.
 
2013-03-11 12:20:14 PM  

born_yesterday: odinsposse: palelizard: Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.

No.  No they did not.  Why should they? Life becomes what you believe it to be.

"The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism.He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

Did they ever acknowledge which asshole said that?  God, I hope they get cancer.


I thought it was known that it was Rove,
 
2013-03-11 12:20:26 PM  
"We believe it should."

Keep it up, shiatbags. In 2016 millions of voters will be benefitting from Obamacare.
 
2013-03-11 12:23:41 PM  

odinsposse: palelizard: Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.

No.  No they did not.  Why should they? Life becomes what you believe it to be.

"The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism.He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."


that worked out so well for the soviets...
 
2013-03-11 12:26:44 PM  
Are you saying that as part of your retirement plan you win the lottery? Well, I believe I should.
 
2013-03-11 12:31:00 PM  

spmkk: subby: Repealing "Obamacare" == "a unicorn will poop billions of gold coins directly into the Capitol building" (i.e. a windfall of money)


Are we FINALLY admitting our budget would, in fact, be better off without this behemoth of a health care act Trickle Down theory that's supposedly going to save us money?


Yes.
 
2013-03-11 12:33:14 PM  

Weaver95: WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!



Where's Obama's leadership to force the Senate to pass this bill?!
 
2013-03-11 12:34:31 PM  

Weaver95: I don't get it.  how is the GOP planning on regaining lost ground in 2014 when they seem dedicated to repeating the same mistakes that lost them the white house to Obama...?


Same answer as always:
Fox News.
 
2013-03-11 12:36:03 PM  

MattStafford: All budget projects - both left and right - are extremely rosy.


To people with fake degrees in economics like you, this is true.

I know you don't give a shiat, but the CBO does a pretty good job.
 
2013-03-11 12:36:03 PM  

Lord_Baull: Weaver95: WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!


Where's Obama's leadership to force the Senate to pass this bill?!


Seeing as they keep using BS filibuster rules to keep stuff from even coming to a vote, I'd like to see the world you live in where a President can force congresscritters against their will.
 
2013-03-11 12:36:32 PM  

DamnYankees: Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.

Of course they did. They realized they kept the House. I don't blame them for that.



By losing seats. Aim High!!
 
2013-03-11 12:38:52 PM  
Smackledorfer:...  I mean, these are the guys who thought defunding PP and NPR would make a difference.

AND that raising taxes wouldn't help!
 
2013-03-11 12:39:40 PM  

Weaver95: we keep their companies safe, we protect their investments, we make sure the rich are pampered to an obscene degree.


a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
 
2013-03-11 12:39:56 PM  
They aren't done. Ryan wants to hold the debt ceiling hostage again to get even more spending cuts; on top of what Obama has already agreed to, on top of the sequester, on top of his latest proposed budget.

****

If the House approves his budget plan, Ryan has said, it will set the stage for negotiations with Senate Democrats over the debt limit, which will again demand lawmakers' attention in August.

"We are going to have to negotiate on top of [the sequester] for a new debt-ceiling increase... and we're going to have to come out of that with a plan to get spending under control," Ryan said. "I mean, we're very serious about this."
 
2013-03-11 12:39:59 PM  

zarberg: Lord_Baull: Weaver95: WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!


Where's Obama's leadership to force the Senate to pass this bill?!

Seeing as they keep using BS filibuster rules to keep stuff from even coming to a vote, I'd like to see the world you live in where a President can force congresscritters against their will.



don't blame me. It's what republicans believe he should have done/been doing. When he's not busy being an empty chair do-nothing ineffectual lieberal, that is.
 
2013-03-11 12:40:20 PM  

Lord_Baull: DamnYankees: Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.

Of course they did. They realized they kept the House. I don't blame them for that.


By losing seats. Aim High!!


Yes, the "House" lost seats. But every individual Republican in the House won.
 
2013-03-11 12:43:35 PM  

Dr Dreidel: so sweat is just smelly water that is released onto the skin for celebratory purposes


Well, not sweat...

odinsposse: We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do


It's true.  We'll be judiciously studying their mistakes and trying to figure out how to fix them.  It's like having a spastic idiot conjoined twin who keeps flailing and drooling while we try to learn calculus.  Yes, they are the actors, but not all actions are good.
 
2013-03-11 12:43:50 PM  

DamnYankees: Lord_Baull: DamnYankees: Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.

Of course they did. They realized they kept the House. I don't blame them for that.


By losing seats. Aim High!!

Yes, the "House" lost seats. But every individual Republican in the House won.

*


*Except the Rinos that lost to a democrat, but they didn't matter anyways.
 
2013-03-11 12:44:59 PM  

Citrate1007: This is the GOP's "math guy".


Maybe he is the GOP's theoretical math guy. "Assume the budget is a frictionless sphere..."
 
2013-03-11 12:53:04 PM  

ghare: MattStafford: All budget projects - both left and right - are extremely rosy.

To people with fake degrees in economics like you, this is true.

I know you don't give a shiat, but the CBO does a pretty good job.


Does the CBO even know how many coconuts there are in a GDP?  I didn't think so.
 
2013-03-11 12:55:47 PM  

Lord_Baull: zarberg: Lord_Baull: Weaver95: WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!


Where's Obama's leadership to force the Senate to pass this bill?!

Seeing as they keep using BS filibuster rules to keep stuff from even coming to a vote, I'd like to see the world you live in where a President can force congresscritters against their will.


don't blame me. It's what republicans believe he should have done/been doing. When he's not busy being an empty chair do-nothing ineffectual lieberal, that is.


Sometimes I think that the recent spate of "Why didn't the President just ignore Congress?" lines is a deliberate attempt to set the stage for when the next Republican President ignores Congress.

I can see it now: "Well, Obama ignored Congress and was the most imperial president in history, so as far as I'm concerned, President Santorum can do whatever he wants."
 
2013-03-11 01:00:16 PM  
Sorry, United States. I voted for his opponant in the house election, but the derp runs very deep around here. He's not leaving until a better paying gig comes along.
 
2013-03-11 01:00:56 PM  

qorkfiend: I can see it now: "Well, Obama ignored Congress and was the most imperial president in history, so as far as I'm concerned, President Santorum can do whatever he wants."


They'll say it anyway and nobody will question it.  I think that they're so used to getting what they want that they've forgotten that there are rules.
 
2013-03-11 01:10:01 PM  
Kudos to Chris Wallace for actually pointing out reality to an interviewee. Few in the media do that anymore.
 
2013-03-11 01:14:26 PM  

Weaver95: you want to balance the budget?  ok, fine.  lets consider who's got all the money in this county.  1% of the population has FORTY PERCENT of all the money we ever made.  they've got more money then they will ever be able to spend.  their kids and grand kids won't be able to spend all that cash.  that's how much money they've got.  F*cking Caligula would be embarrassed to have that much wealth.  there is no disputing that a very small and elite group of people own significant portions of the entire industrial output of the United States.

So we've established who has the biggest pile of cash.  And we know that pile is pretty damn big.  Huge, in fact.  why are we not taxing that pile of cash?  they can easily afford it.  they can flat out pay 90% in taxes and not even begin to feel the pinch.  plus they get way more in services and attention from the US government than the average citizen does - one of the elite 1% snaps his fingers, he gets senators showing up at his house to shine his shoes.  I say we make 'em pay for that level of attention.  we keep their companies safe, we protect their investments, we make sure the rich are pampered to an obscene degree.  time to step up and pay the bill for all that service.


something something tax is theft, something something socialism

I really don't know. What you said makes sense. It would make sense if you replace taxes/money with anything else. You go to the biggest source to get the most of what you need.

The right-wing relatives I deal with, and many of the right-wing on FARK, still seems to view all tax as theft, so I'm not sure how to reconcile that. Maybe you have a better insight, being a Republican that got off the crazy train before it sped off full bore to Derpsville.
 
2013-03-11 01:19:50 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Weaver95: you want to balance the budget?  ok, fine.  lets consider who's got all the money in this county.  1% of the population has FORTY PERCENT of all the money we ever made.  they've got more money then they will ever be able to spend.  their kids and grand kids won't be able to spend all that cash.  that's how much money they've got.  F*cking Caligula would be embarrassed to have that much wealth.  there is no disputing that a very small and elite group of people own significant portions of the entire industrial output of the United States.

So we've established who has the biggest pile of cash.  And we know that pile is pretty damn big.  Huge, in fact.  why are we not taxing that pile of cash?  they can easily afford it.  they can flat out pay 90% in taxes and not even begin to feel the pinch.  plus they get way more in services and attention from the US government than the average citizen does - one of the elite 1% snaps his fingers, he gets senators showing up at his house to shine his shoes.  I say we make 'em pay for that level of attention.  we keep their companies safe, we protect their investments, we make sure the rich are pampered to an obscene degree.  time to step up and pay the bill for all that service.

something something tax is theft, something something socialism

I really don't know. What you said makes sense. It would make sense if you replace taxes/money with anything else. You go to the biggest source to get the most of what you need.

The right-wing relatives I deal with, and many of the right-wing on FARK, still seems to view all tax as theft, so I'm not sure how to reconcile that. Maybe you have a better insight, being a Republican that got off the crazy train before it sped off full bore to Derpsville.


I would ask them to imagine a world in which there are no taxes.
 
2013-03-11 01:22:18 PM  
If this guy ever wanted to be taken seriously, he should have never allowed this:

cdn-media.hollywood.com

Oh, and he should also have been smarter.
 
2013-03-11 01:22:23 PM  

BillCo: So, the same budget assumptions that were used to prop up Obamacare.  Interesting.


well no. the Obamacare numbers have basis in fact. It's been scored by the independent budget agency. and looked at by economists for years now.

the Ryan budget hasn't survived any scrutiny at all.
 
2013-03-11 01:23:46 PM  

Tomahawk513: Sergeant Grumbles: Weaver95: you want to balance the budget?  ok, fine.  lets consider who's got all the money in this county.  1% of the population has FORTY PERCENT of all the money we ever made.  they've got more money then they will ever be able to spend.  their kids and grand kids won't be able to spend all that cash.  that's how much money they've got.  F*cking Caligula would be embarrassed to have that much wealth.  there is no disputing that a very small and elite group of people own significant portions of the entire industrial output of the United States.

So we've established who has the biggest pile of cash.  And we know that pile is pretty damn big.  Huge, in fact.  why are we not taxing that pile of cash?  they can easily afford it.  they can flat out pay 90% in taxes and not even begin to feel the pinch.  plus they get way more in services and attention from the US government than the average citizen does - one of the elite 1% snaps his fingers, he gets senators showing up at his house to shine his shoes.  I say we make 'em pay for that level of attention.  we keep their companies safe, we protect their investments, we make sure the rich are pampered to an obscene degree.  time to step up and pay the bill for all that service.

something something tax is theft, something something socialism

I really don't know. What you said makes sense. It would make sense if you replace taxes/money with anything else. You go to the biggest source to get the most of what you need.

The right-wing relatives I deal with, and many of the right-wing on FARK, still seems to view all tax as theft, so I'm not sure how to reconcile that. Maybe you have a better insight, being a Republican that got off the crazy train before it sped off full bore to Derpsville.

I would ask them to imagine a world in which there are no taxes.


cuip.uchicago.edu
 
2013-03-11 01:23:47 PM  
So they're only slightly more realistic than the ObamCare numbers then.

Politicians creating bills that are a pipe dream in terms of what will actually happen is nothing new but I guess since we're going with the liberal rule of "Intentions, Not Results" then we get to be critical of Ryan now.
 
2013-03-11 01:24:31 PM  

randomjsa: So they're only slightly more realistic than the ObamCare numbers then.

Politicians creating bills that are a pipe dream in terms of what will actually happen is nothing new but I guess since we're going with the liberal rule of "Intentions, Not Results" then we get to be critical of Ryan now.


Name one independent source for your claim
 
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