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(The Daily Dolt)   Paul Ryan concedes the GOP budget numbers are based on the assumption that a unicorn will poop billions of gold coins directly into the Capitol building sometime during FYs 2013-2023: "Well, we believe it should"   (thedailydolt.com) divider line 176
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2013-03-11 08:22:22 AM  
This kind of explains why the Republicans' polling projections were so far off the mark in November.
 
2013-03-11 08:58:14 AM  
Gold price crashes, international markets in death spiral, Paul Ryan proclaims victory.
 
2013-03-11 09:20:35 AM  
The flaw in their thinking is that unicorns poop rainbows, not gold.
 
2013-03-11 09:20:44 AM  
He then encouraged Republicans everywhere to clap their hands to show they do believe in the repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
 
2013-03-11 09:21:19 AM  
More Bizarro World echo chamber nonsense from the GOP... ObamaCare is not going to be repealed.
 
2013-03-11 09:27:33 AM  
And let's not forget this is their "super smart numbers guy and policy wonk".
 
2013-03-11 09:29:34 AM  

EvilEgg: The flaw in their thinking is that unicorns poop rainbows, not gold.


Indeed.

modblog.bmezine.com
 
2013-03-11 09:30:16 AM  
So, the same budget assumptions that were used to prop up Obamacare.  Interesting.
 
2013-03-11 09:33:18 AM  
Imagine that Mitt Romney had decisively defeated Obama in the 2012 election on a platform of tax cuts for the rich and deep cuts to government as the only way to reduce the deficit, dramatically repudiating the President's call for higher taxes on the wealthy, continued implementation of the biggest expansion of the safety net in 60 years, and more government spending to boost the economy.

Then imagine that Democrats in the Senate (the only part of government they controlled) responded to this by proposing to dramatically expand health care and stimulus spending and pay down the deficit only with 100 percent tax hikes - and not a single penny more in spending cuts - and on top of that, then suggested President Romney has failed to sincerely try to find common ground with them. Link
 
2013-03-11 09:38:17 AM  
Math is hard
 
2013-03-11 09:41:12 AM  
Why wont Obama be reasonable and meet the republicans halfway?

/too early for this derp
 
2013-03-11 09:42:39 AM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

I don't have time to mansplain my budget to you.
 
2013-03-11 09:47:22 AM  
Paul's back to embracing Medicare cuts as well, after expressly campaigning against them to be VP just a few months ago.
 
2013-03-11 09:54:19 AM  

GAT_00: Paul's back to embracing Medicare cuts as well, after expressly campaigning against them to be VP just a few months ago.


Life's too short.  I just assume everything he says is a lie and/or has an ulterior motive.
 
2013-03-11 09:55:00 AM  
This is more math that Republicans do to feel better and study it out and furthermore,
 
2013-03-11 10:06:27 AM  
This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low
 
2013-03-11 10:13:24 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low


I think we should import that fine Japanese tradition of killing yourself when you're a total disgrace.
 
2013-03-11 10:18:57 AM  

Tigger: Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low

I think we should import that fine Japanese tradition of killing yourself when you're a total disgrace.


He could always live on a remote Pacific island for 30 years refusing to believe the election is over
 
2013-03-11 10:19:14 AM  

Tigger: Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low

I think we should import that fine Japanese tradition of killing yourself when you're a total disgrace.


Seppukubama?
 
2013-03-11 10:27:55 AM  

vudutek: Tigger: Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low

I think we should import that fine Japanese tradition of killing yourself when you're a total disgrace.

Seppukubama?


Romney-Kiri
 
2013-03-11 10:28:53 AM  
This is not news. Paul's first budget said the same thing.
 
2013-03-11 10:29:12 AM  
ObamaCare will not be repealed.  They know it.  They tried 30+ times.  Really, all he is saying here is "If you don't do what we want, the most cooperation you can expect from us is wetting our pants, throwing ourselves on the floor, and having a temper tantrum.  We certainly aren't going to deal with reality unless it is OUR reality."
 
2013-03-11 10:30:41 AM  
Kermit the Frog looking motherfarker.
 
2013-03-11 10:30:54 AM  

EvilEgg: The flaw in their thinking is that unicorns poop rainbows, not gold.


There's a leprechaun with a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.  It is known.
 
2013-03-11 10:33:01 AM  

Diogenes: GAT_00: Paul's back to embracing Medicare cuts as well, after expressly campaigning against them to be VP just a few months ago.

Life's too short.  I just assume everything he says is a lie and/or has an ulterior motive.


FTFY
 
2013-03-11 10:37:00 AM  
Bless his pointy little head.
 
2013-03-11 10:43:50 AM  

BillCo: So, the same budget assumptions that were used to prop up Obamacare.  Interesting.


The ACA assumes the ACA will be repealed?
Get a cup of coffee, buddy.
 
2013-03-11 10:47:02 AM  
Once again the Republicans reach their hand out in a spirit of reasonable compromise.
 
2013-03-11 10:48:11 AM  
It is really no different from his previous budget that assumed that massive tax cuts for the rich would result in 10% growth over 10 years per year because Socialism. That has never happened and you can't base a budget on an unproven assumption unless you are using Republican Math.  You can balance anything if you make crazy assumptions.
 
2013-03-11 10:48:13 AM  
Can we just get the GOP their ruby slippers already, they can click em together and go back to 1950
 
2013-03-11 10:50:22 AM  
The GOP's Great White Dope, Ladies and Gentlemen...
 
2013-03-11 10:52:59 AM  
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
 
2013-03-11 10:53:08 AM  

keylock71: The GOP's Great White Dope, Ladies and Gentlemen...


Real numbers and policy wonk they got there....
 
2013-03-11 10:54:03 AM  
Hey girl, let's get fiscal.
 
2013-03-11 10:55:52 AM  

BillCo: So, the same budget assumptions that were used to prop up Obamacare.  Interesting.


* yawn *
 
2013-03-11 10:58:31 AM  
Paul Ryan's plan is the logical follow-up to tax cuts for the wealthy: benefit cuts and tax increases for the poor.
 
2013-03-11 10:59:10 AM  
img.washingtonpost.com

Hey girl, this budget has me seeing stars, and that means I'm....seeing you because....crap, I had something for this...
 
2013-03-11 10:59:49 AM  
No, not gold coins...

i249.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-11 11:00:33 AM  
If you took a 6 month old dog turd and then rolled it in fresh diarrhea  baked it for 2 hours and then shoved a stick through it and put it in front of a microphone it would still be more likable than Paul Ryan.
 
2013-03-11 11:02:43 AM  

jayhawk88: [img.washingtonpost.com image 228x341]

Hey girl, this budget has me seeing stars, and that means I'm....seeing you because....crap, I had something for this...


Leave Poochie alone!
 
2013-03-11 11:02:58 AM  

Headso: If you took a 6 month old dog turd and then rolled it in fresh diarrhea  baked it for 2 hours and then shoved a stick through it and put it in front of a microphone it would still be more likable than Paul Ryan.


But he's so policy wonky! Don't you know he's a serious numbers guy?
 
2013-03-11 11:04:35 AM  
Sweet.  I get to pull this pic back out.

i595.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-11 11:05:01 AM  

Headso: If you took a 6 month old dog turd and then rolled it in fresh diarrhea  baked it for 2 hours and then shoved a stick through it and put it in front of a microphone it would still be more likable than Paul Ryan.


If you pee on Paul Ryan your weiner actually gets dumber.
 
2013-03-11 11:05:12 AM  
People who work out indoors wearing a hat are farking retards.

"I'm going to get sweaty... I think I'll keep it from evaporating."
 
2013-03-11 11:06:09 AM  

KarmicDisaster: jayhawk88: [img.washingtonpost.com image 228x341]

Hey girl, this budget has me seeing stars, and that means I'm....seeing you because....crap, I had something for this...

Leave Poochie alone!

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
Goodbye all, I must go - my people need me
 
2013-03-11 11:08:26 AM  
All budget projects - both left and right - are extremely rosy.
 
2013-03-11 11:08:55 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low


In normal times you would be correct.

These are not normal times, and Paul Ryan is seen as a leading intellectual in Conservative circles.
 
2013-03-11 11:10:01 AM  
So being the "numbers guy" in the GOP really just requires you to talk about numbers. No consistency needed, and math hardly matters, just throw out some numbers.
 
2013-03-11 11:10:06 AM  

Smackledorfer: People who work out indoors wearing a hat are farking retards.

"I'm going to get sweaty... I think I'll keep it from evaporating."


People who get a professional photographer to take pictures of themselves in front backdrop pretending to be working out are also farking retards.
 
2013-03-11 11:10:31 AM  
the GOP budget numbers make perfect sense if one simply starts with a set of wildly implausible premises.

That trickle down economics works?
 
2013-03-11 11:11:21 AM  
This is the GOP's "math guy".
 
2013-03-11 11:12:54 AM  

Flab: Smackledorfer: People who work out indoors wearing a hat are farking retards.

"I'm going to get sweaty... I think I'll keep it from evaporating."

People who get a professional photographer to take pictures of themselves in front backdrop pretending to be working out are also farking retards.


I've always wondered about that. What the hell were those pics for anyway? To get the wimmen vote?
 
2013-03-11 11:13:07 AM  

MattStafford: All budget projects - both left and right - are extremely rosy.


Generally I think Democrat budgets are optimistic, perhaps a bit more so than they should be.

Republican budgets usually assume record breaking rates of growth with no reason for expecting such unprecedented levels other than 'tax cuts'.
 
2013-03-11 11:13:30 AM  
What the holy farking hell is wrong with these idiots? If I want Count Chocula's opinion on something, I'll go the the cereal aisle. Although I guess if your budget is based on completely made up crap, you might as well get an imaginary creature to be it's spokesperson.
 
2013-03-11 11:14:42 AM  
The unicorn poop will trickle down.
 
2013-03-11 11:15:39 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Can we just get the GOP their ruby slippers already, they can click em together and go back to 1950


1950 would never work for them. The GOP of that time was progressive and to the left of the current Democratic party.
 
2013-03-11 11:16:46 AM  
One day in the next 20 to 50 years a top secret GOP memo will be leaked which will let us know that somewhere around the year 2001, Republicans decided that they were giving the American public too much credit when they figured we pay attention to their shenanigans. The memo will go on to say that there is no longer a need to inject any sort of logic into any argument against Liberalism or for Conservatism. They will have realized that the lie is as good as the truth if repeated enough and said with enough conviction. More importantly, it will note that there are no real reprecussions to getting caught lying about policy. As long as members can keep their homosexuality under wraps, everything else is fair game.
 
2013-03-11 11:17:23 AM  

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: MattStafford: All budget projects - both left and right - are extremely rosy.

Generally I think Democrat budgets are optimistic, perhaps a bit more so than they should be.

Republican budgets usually assume record breaking rates of growth with no reason for expecting such unprecedented levels other than 'tax cuts'.


There's rosy, and then there's "Hey guys, the President and Democrat controlled Senate are totally going to pass a bill rolling back one of their signature achievements from the last few years. If they don't we'll just shut down the government! People will totally be ok with the government shutting down in order to avoid getting better health care!"
 
2013-03-11 11:18:41 AM  
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-03-11 11:19:43 AM  

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Republican budgets usually assume record breaking rates of growth with no reason for expecting such unprecedented levels other than 'tax cuts'.


origin.heritage.org

Backed up by 'think' tanks, promoted by right wing TV and radio.
 
2013-03-11 11:20:05 AM  
Does he still assume 2% unemployment like he did in his pre-election "plan"?
 
2013-03-11 11:20:25 AM  
Dear Republican Party:

"Entitlement" is not a bad word. I'm "entitled" to it, because I have FARKING PAID INTO IT MY WHOLE LIFE. To have elected officials who more or less get healthcare and benefits for life try to make decisions about things I've already bought into is insulting at best, laughable at worst.

Nevermind the fact that for-profit health care is as big a failure as "trickle-down."
 
2013-03-11 11:20:46 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low


Given his district he has to be pedal to the metal on this stuff or else he'll get primaried. Wisconsin Republicans nationally and locally don't really fear the Democrats here; just the people crazier than them.
 
2013-03-11 11:21:27 AM  
Paul Ryan More Of a 'Glass Half Full' Kind Of Guy When It Comes To GOP Budget Projections

More like 'skull all empty'
 
2013-03-11 11:21:50 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: One day in the next 20 to 50 years a top secret GOP memo will be leaked which will let us know that somewhere around the year 2001, Republicans decided that they were giving the American public too much credit when they figured we pay attention to their shenanigans.


www.washingtonsblog.com
 
2013-03-11 11:22:08 AM  

Flab: in front of a backdrop


FTFM
 
2013-03-11 11:22:11 AM  

Wyalt Derp: The unicorn poop will trickle down.


i259.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-11 11:24:40 AM  

zarberg: Dear Republican Party:

"Entitlement" is not a bad word. I'm "entitled" to it, because I have FARKING PAID INTO IT MY WHOLE LIFE. To have elected officials who more or less get healthcare and benefits for life try to make decisions about things I've already bought into is insulting at best, laughable at worst.

Nevermind the fact that for-profit health care is as big a failure as "trickle-down."


No worries. It will magically be there for you, even if the numbers say it won't. Trust.
 
2013-03-11 11:24:46 AM  
i.imgur.com

It's too damn early in the morning for this, but perhaps Ryan ought to consider that if a pony is homeomorphic to an elephant, that budgets have inputs as much as they have outputs. If we've learned anything on the politics tab, it's that there's a sizable faction in Congress for whom the functions of the corresponding orifices are reversed.
 
2013-03-11 11:24:48 AM  

moistD: Wyalt Derp: The unicorn poop will trickle down.

[i259.photobucket.com image 400x400]


I think James Ensor painted stuff like this.
 
2013-03-11 11:25:12 AM  

BillCo: So, the same budget assumptions that were used to prop up Obamacare.  Interesting.


There, there, little guy. We know math is difficult for you. Just keep plugging away at it and you'll eventually pass your state's high school graduation test.
 
2013-03-11 11:25:31 AM  

dinch: Flab: Smackledorfer: People who work out indoors wearing a hat are farking retards.

"I'm going to get sweaty... I think I'll keep it from evaporating."

People who get a professional photographer to take pictures of themselves in front backdrop pretending to be working out are also farking retards.

I've always wondered about that. What the hell were those pics for anyway? To get the wimmen vote?


Me too.  I never understood why those pics were taken.  Seems to me like he was purposefully trying to be funny.
 
2013-03-11 11:25:49 AM  

Smackledorfer: People who work out indoors wearing a hat are farking retards.

"I'm going to get sweaty... I think I'll keep it from evaporating."


Sweat is designed to keep you cool - similar to leaving a hot shower, all of a sudden those warm beads of water are bone-chilling after a few seconds of environmental exposure. A sweat-soaked headband may serve to keep the forehead cool. (Also to keep sweat out of your eyes.)

I learned this from an infomercial where they actually took surface temp readings from a sprinter on a treadmill while wearing a moisture-wicking shirt and a regular t-shirt. Dude got hotter when his sweat was thoughtfully evaporated from its rightful place on his skin.

// of course, you'll still LOOK like a douche
// and a ballcap is super-douchey
 
2013-03-11 11:28:23 AM  

vernonFL: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 181x278]

I don't have time to mansplain my budget to you.


A heartbeat away from the Oval Office, dude.  Thank God for Romney's utterly abysmal character and campaign.
 
2013-03-11 11:29:14 AM  
If only that mean President Obama would just compromise by enacting historically disasterous economic policies which were rejected in the last presidential election. It is clear that the American people elected President Obama on the basis he enacts Mitt Romney's proposed policies while rejecting his own.
 
2013-03-11 11:29:16 AM  
Paul Ryan:  Policy Genius.
 
2013-03-11 11:29:32 AM  

Cletus C.: zarberg: Dear Republican Party:

"Entitlement" is not a bad word. I'm "entitled" to it, because I have FARKING PAID INTO IT MY WHOLE LIFE. To have elected officials who more or less get healthcare and benefits for life try to make decisions about things I've already bought into is insulting at best, laughable at worst.

Nevermind the fact that for-profit health care is as big a failure as "trickle-down."

No worries. It will magically be there for you, even if the numbers say it won't. Trust.


Don't mind them.  Lie-beral (not true liberal) statists can't do math.  They're charming that way.
 
2013-03-11 11:29:55 AM  

Cletus C.: zarberg: Dear Republican Party:

"Entitlement" is not a bad word. I'm "entitled" to it, because I have FARKING PAID INTO IT MY WHOLE LIFE. To have elected officials who more or less get healthcare and benefits for life try to make decisions about things I've already bought into is insulting at best, laughable at worst.

Nevermind the fact that for-profit health care is as big a failure as "trickle-down."

No worries. It will magically be there for you, even if the numbers say it won't. Trust.


So you agree that we should bump up the cap to easily fix the shortage then?
 
2013-03-11 11:31:59 AM  

vernonFL: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 181x278]

I don't have time to mansplain my budget to you.


You know, that group of photos is a gift that just keeps on giving.
 
2013-03-11 11:32:14 AM  
They don't honestly expect this to pass. They just want to be able to say they passed a budget proposal in the house, and that the Democrats didn't pass it.

What they are counting on, is for people to not pay attention to WHY it won't pass.
 
2013-03-11 11:32:35 AM  
I thought Medicare and the ACA were pretty much mutually exclusive.

Medicare is for retirees while the ACA deals with everyone that isn't retired.
 
2013-03-11 11:35:32 AM  

JusticeandIndependence: Me too.  I never understood why those pics were taken.  Seems to me like he was purposefully trying to be funny.


They were taken as part of a profile story that Time did on him.  I assume they were trying to play up his image as a fitness fanatic.
 
2013-03-11 11:35:40 AM  

Smackledorfer: People who work out indoors wearing a hat are farking retards.

"I'm going to get sweaty... I think I'll keep it from evaporating."


I'm more worried about the hat...day 2. Soooo, you gonna put that grimy, sweaty hat with the filthy, disgusting dirt ring around the inside of it back on to your head, huh?
 
2013-03-11 11:36:47 AM  
Just a question of faith.
 
2013-03-11 11:37:04 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Backed up by 'think' tanks, promoted by right wing TV and radio.


We can also take a look at the projected costs of Medicare et al.
 
2013-03-11 11:37:25 AM  

Cletus C.: zarberg: Dear Republican Party:

"Entitlement" is not a bad word. I'm "entitled" to it, because I have FARKING PAID INTO IT MY WHOLE LIFE. To have elected officials who more or less get healthcare and benefits for life try to make decisions about things I've already bought into is insulting at best, laughable at worst.

Nevermind the fact that for-profit health care is as big a failure as "trickle-down."

No worries. It will magically be there for you, even if the numbers say it won't. Trust.


Beats trusting the guy who wants to turn it over completely to the private sector that is 100% out for profit and then hand you a "voucher" that covers about 1/4 of what you need (and that's if you're relatively healthy).

Given the choice between probably staying solvent past 2030 and getting farked by a private/voucher system, I'll choice the Dems, thanks.
 
2013-03-11 11:44:44 AM  

Tigger: Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low

I think we should import that fine Japanese tradition of killing yourself when you're a total disgrace.


Seppuku implies the capacity for shame.
 
2013-03-11 11:45:11 AM  
What's really neat is how much of the GOP economic platform, including tax cuts for the rich, match those of countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt. I'm not saying, just saying..
 
2013-03-11 11:51:29 AM  

dinch: Flab: Smackledorfer: People who work out indoors wearing a hat are farking retards.

"I'm going to get sweaty... I think I'll keep it from evaporating."

People who get a professional photographer to take pictures of themselves in front backdrop pretending to be working out are also farking retards.

I've always wondered about that. What the hell were those pics for anyway? To get the wimmen vote?


Secret conservative homosexual vote I imagine.
 
2013-03-11 11:54:26 AM  
subby: Repealing "Obamacare" == "a unicorn will poop billions of gold coins directly into the Capitol building" (i.e. a windfall of money)


Are we FINALLY admitting our budget would, in fact, be better off without this behemoth of a health care act that's supposedly going to save us money?
 
2013-03-11 11:54:36 AM  

dynomutt: Cletus C.: zarberg: Dear Republican Party:

"Entitlement" is not a bad word. I'm "entitled" to it, because I have FARKING PAID INTO IT MY WHOLE LIFE. To have elected officials who more or less get healthcare and benefits for life try to make decisions about things I've already bought into is insulting at best, laughable at worst.

Nevermind the fact that for-profit health care is as big a failure as "trickle-down."

No worries. It will magically be there for you, even if the numbers say it won't. Trust.

Don't mind them.  Lie-beral (not true liberal) statists can't do math.  They're charming that way.


White Knighting Cletus - I have seen it all now
 
2013-03-11 11:55:10 AM  
I think I pass things out my rectum after a heavy night of drinking and late night Taco Bell that have more form, intregrity, substance and intelligence than Paul Ryan and the rest of these GOP nutters.
 
2013-03-11 11:55:39 AM  
this headline is gayer than a herd of unicorns.

apropos of nothing. I just heard that phrase the other day and it gave me a teehee. Carry on
 
2013-03-11 11:56:31 AM  
I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.
 
2013-03-11 11:56:59 AM  

dinch: Flab: Smackledorfer: People who work out indoors wearing a hat are farking retards.

"I'm going to get sweaty... I think I'll keep it from evaporating."

People who get a professional photographer to take pictures of themselves in front backdrop pretending to be working out are also farking retards.

I've always wondered about that. What the hell were those pics for anyway? To get the wimmen vote?


As a woman, I think it was a secret appeal to teh gays.
 
2013-03-11 11:58:25 AM  

Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.


They sure did, but the only one they remember is that they kept control of the House of Representatives.
 
2013-03-11 11:58:47 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Smackledorfer: People who work out indoors wearing a hat are farking retards.

"I'm going to get sweaty... I think I'll keep it from evaporating."

Sweat is designed to keep you cool - similar to leaving a hot shower, all of a sudden those warm beads of water are bone-chilling after a few seconds of environmental exposure. A sweat-soaked headband may serve to keep the forehead cool. (Also to keep sweat out of your eyes.)

I learned this from an infomercial where they actually took surface temp readings from a sprinter on a treadmill while wearing a moisture-wicking shirt and a regular t-shirt. Dude got hotter when his sweat was thoughtfully evaporated from its rightful place on his skin.

// of course, you'll still LOOK like a douche
// and a ballcap is super-douchey


Thanks for that brilliant info-mercial based science.

I work out.  Hats keep you hotter while working out.  Headbands aren't for keeping you cooler, they are for keeping salty sweat from raining down on your eyes. I assure you that the skin on your head keeps enough water to aid in the cooling process just fine without a hat. If anything a tight hat will function something like a wetsuit where you have a thin layer of heated water stuck on your skin and are you are no longer gaining the benefit of increased heat loss from the moisture instead of dry air.

I especially love "rightful place on his skin".  Are you making a religious argument that god intended us to wear cotton t-shirts, or are you making a ridiculous claim that we evolved to wear t-shirts while exercising?


Snarky annoyance aside: go to the gym yourself, don't watch half an an informercial and pretend to be an authority.  Informercials are there to sell you something, not teach you something.
 
2013-03-11 12:01:11 PM  

Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.


No.  No they did not.  Why should they? Life becomes what you believe it to be.
 
2013-03-11 12:02:58 PM  

Citrate1007: This is the GOP's "math guy".


No. He is their thinker. The idea guy.
 
2013-03-11 12:03:04 PM  
Doh. Smackledorfer beat me. Should have refreshed.
 
2013-03-11 12:03:35 PM  

dinch: Flab: Smackledorfer: People who work out indoors wearing a hat are farking retards.

"I'm going to get sweaty... I think I'll keep it from evaporating."

People who get a professional photographer to take pictures of themselves in front backdrop pretending to be working out are also farking retards.

I've always wondered about that. What the hell were those pics for anyway? To get the wimmen vote?


They were for promotion to promote the congressional work out club (yes such a thing exists) and his participating in the p90x program. He even did a testimonial for the program on one of its infomercials.
 
2013-03-11 12:05:11 PM  

spmkk: subby: Repealing "Obamacare" == "a unicorn will poop billions of gold coins directly into the Capitol building" (i.e. a windfall of money)


Are we FINALLY admitting our budget would, in fact, be better off without this behemoth of a health care act that's supposedly going to save us money?


No. And voters don't give a shiat about the budget. It's all talk.
 
2013-03-11 12:05:23 PM  

zenobia: Doh. Smackledorfer beat me. Should have refreshed.


No worries, it bears repeating :D
 
2013-03-11 12:06:11 PM  
Failed to repeal it in 30+ attempts last term.  Then loses White House election to the guy who built the plan.  Loses seats in Senate and House.  Obamacare rises in popularity among the voting populace.  GOP popularity and favorability drops to historic lows.

This must mean it's time to double down and assume they can repeal it, and base all of their future planning efforts on that assumption.  So, nothing has changed in the GOP.
 
2013-03-11 12:07:46 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: spmkk: subby: Repealing "Obamacare" == "a unicorn will poop billions of gold coins directly into the Capitol building" (i.e. a windfall of money)


Are we FINALLY admitting our budget would, in fact, be better off without this behemoth of a health care act that's supposedly going to save us money?

No. And voters don't give a shiat about the budget. It's all talk.


I think many voters really DO give a shiat about the budget.  They don't actually understand why it should be important, nor do they pay enough attention to support good solutions instead of simple talking points, but they definitely care.  I mean, these are the guys who thought defunding PP and NPR would make a difference.
 
2013-03-11 12:09:03 PM  
Christ, he's just saying exactly the same shiat is during the campaign.

Proceed, congressman.
 
2013-03-11 12:09:13 PM  

Smackledorfer: I especially love "rightful place on his skin". Are you making a religious argument that god intended us to wear cotton t-shirts, or are you making a ridiculous claim that we evolved to wear t-shirts while exercising?

Snarky annoyance aside: go to the gym yourself, don't watch half an an informercial and pretend to be an authority. Informercials are there to sell you something, not teach you something.


Um, you may want to reread. The sweat's rightful place is on the skin, and it is only the heathen cotton fibers that tear it away from the bosom of your bosom.

The infomercial was selling an alternative to both - a shirt that wicked away moisture, but collected it (through the science of capillarity) in sensitive spots like the back of the neck. The moisture would be off the skin, but still acting as a coolant. The temp readings (assuming they were accurate) are a matter of fact, not salesmanship.

// besides which, I'm not going to a gym just to prove a point to someone I've never met
// so sweat is just smelly water that is released onto the skin for celebratory purposes and not to keep the body cool?
 
2013-03-11 12:09:43 PM  
I love the new packaging. Since both are the same.Schweet!

/day 10 of sequester, doing fine.
 
2013-03-11 12:09:51 PM  
WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!
 
2013-03-11 12:11:20 PM  
"this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?! "

Will someone wake me when any leadership appears? I would appreciate that.
 
2013-03-11 12:11:43 PM  

Weaver95: WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!


He's a numbers guy! A policy wonk! He's a numbers policy wonk! Don't you know!? Haven't you been listening? He's an idea policy numbers wonk! HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO INSIST HE'S SERIOUS BEFORE YOU UNDERSTAND HE'S A SERIOUS NUMBERS WONK POLICY IDEA?!?!?!?!?!?
 
2013-03-11 12:12:38 PM  
I don't get it.  how is the GOP planning on regaining lost ground in 2014 when they seem dedicated to repeating the same mistakes that lost them the white house to Obama...?
 
2013-03-11 12:13:26 PM  

jaggspb: Cletus C.: zarberg: Dear Republican Party:

"Entitlement" is not a bad word. I'm "entitled" to it, because I have FARKING PAID INTO IT MY WHOLE LIFE. To have elected officials who more or less get healthcare and benefits for life try to make decisions about things I've already bought into is insulting at best, laughable at worst.

Nevermind the fact that for-profit health care is as big a failure as "trickle-down."

No worries. It will magically be there for you, even if the numbers say it won't. Trust.

So you agree that we should bump up the cap to easily fix the shortage then?


For the short term, adjustments to age eligibility, more of a needs-based approach and perhaps savings realized by Obamacare, if they happen, would make keep it solvent for you and I.
 
2013-03-11 12:14:59 PM  

palelizard: Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.

No.  No they did not.  Why should they? Life becomes what you believe it to be.


"The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism.He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
 
2013-03-11 12:15:32 PM  

SploogeTime: I love the new packaging. Since both are the same.Schweet!

/day 10 of sequester, doing fine.


10 whole days?  Well, that seems like plenty of time make judgments on the effects of the sequester.
 
Bf+
2013-03-11 12:17:16 PM  
i.huffpost.com
weknowmemes.com
 
2013-03-11 12:17:36 PM  

Weaver95: I don't get it.  how is the GOP planning on regaining lost ground in 2014 when they seem dedicated to repeating the same mistakes that lost them the white house to Obama...?


They're banking on people not paying attention during midterm years; historically this is a pretty safe bet.
 
2013-03-11 12:19:05 PM  

Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.


Of course they did. They realized they kept the House. I don't blame them for that.
 
2013-03-11 12:19:23 PM  
you want to balance the budget?  ok, fine.  lets consider who's got all the money in this county.  1% of the population has FORTY PERCENT of all the money we ever made.  they've got more money then they will ever be able to spend.  their kids and grand kids won't be able to spend all that cash.  that's how much money they've got.  F*cking Caligula would be embarrassed to have that much wealth.  there is no disputing that a very small and elite group of people own significant portions of the entire industrial output of the United States.

So we've established who has the biggest pile of cash.  And we know that pile is pretty damn big.  Huge, in fact.  why are we not taxing that pile of cash?  they can easily afford it.  they can flat out pay 90% in taxes and not even begin to feel the pinch.  plus they get way more in services and attention from the US government than the average citizen does - one of the elite 1% snaps his fingers, he gets senators showing up at his house to shine his shoes.  I say we make 'em pay for that level of attention.  we keep their companies safe, we protect their investments, we make sure the rich are pampered to an obscene degree.  time to step up and pay the bill for all that service.
 
2013-03-11 12:19:30 PM  

odinsposse: palelizard: Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.

No.  No they did not.  Why should they? Life becomes what you believe it to be.

"The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism.He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."


Did they ever acknowledge which asshole said that?  God, I hope they get cancer.
 
2013-03-11 12:20:14 PM  

born_yesterday: odinsposse: palelizard: Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.

No.  No they did not.  Why should they? Life becomes what you believe it to be.

"The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism.He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

Did they ever acknowledge which asshole said that?  God, I hope they get cancer.


I thought it was known that it was Rove,
 
2013-03-11 12:20:26 PM  
"We believe it should."

Keep it up, shiatbags. In 2016 millions of voters will be benefitting from Obamacare.
 
2013-03-11 12:23:41 PM  

odinsposse: palelizard: Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.

No.  No they did not.  Why should they? Life becomes what you believe it to be.

"The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism.He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."


that worked out so well for the soviets...
 
2013-03-11 12:26:44 PM  
Are you saying that as part of your retirement plan you win the lottery? Well, I believe I should.
 
2013-03-11 12:31:00 PM  

spmkk: subby: Repealing "Obamacare" == "a unicorn will poop billions of gold coins directly into the Capitol building" (i.e. a windfall of money)


Are we FINALLY admitting our budget would, in fact, be better off without this behemoth of a health care act Trickle Down theory that's supposedly going to save us money?


Yes.
 
2013-03-11 12:33:14 PM  

Weaver95: WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!



Where's Obama's leadership to force the Senate to pass this bill?!
 
2013-03-11 12:34:31 PM  

Weaver95: I don't get it.  how is the GOP planning on regaining lost ground in 2014 when they seem dedicated to repeating the same mistakes that lost them the white house to Obama...?


Same answer as always:
Fox News.
 
2013-03-11 12:36:03 PM  

MattStafford: All budget projects - both left and right - are extremely rosy.


To people with fake degrees in economics like you, this is true.

I know you don't give a shiat, but the CBO does a pretty good job.
 
2013-03-11 12:36:03 PM  

Lord_Baull: Weaver95: WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!


Where's Obama's leadership to force the Senate to pass this bill?!


Seeing as they keep using BS filibuster rules to keep stuff from even coming to a vote, I'd like to see the world you live in where a President can force congresscritters against their will.
 
2013-03-11 12:36:32 PM  

DamnYankees: Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.

Of course they did. They realized they kept the House. I don't blame them for that.



By losing seats. Aim High!!
 
2013-03-11 12:38:52 PM  
Smackledorfer:...  I mean, these are the guys who thought defunding PP and NPR would make a difference.

AND that raising taxes wouldn't help!
 
2013-03-11 12:39:40 PM  

Weaver95: we keep their companies safe, we protect their investments, we make sure the rich are pampered to an obscene degree.


a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
 
2013-03-11 12:39:56 PM  
They aren't done. Ryan wants to hold the debt ceiling hostage again to get even more spending cuts; on top of what Obama has already agreed to, on top of the sequester, on top of his latest proposed budget.

****

If the House approves his budget plan, Ryan has said, it will set the stage for negotiations with Senate Democrats over the debt limit, which will again demand lawmakers' attention in August.

"We are going to have to negotiate on top of [the sequester] for a new debt-ceiling increase... and we're going to have to come out of that with a plan to get spending under control," Ryan said. "I mean, we're very serious about this."
 
2013-03-11 12:39:59 PM  

zarberg: Lord_Baull: Weaver95: WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!


Where's Obama's leadership to force the Senate to pass this bill?!

Seeing as they keep using BS filibuster rules to keep stuff from even coming to a vote, I'd like to see the world you live in where a President can force congresscritters against their will.



don't blame me. It's what republicans believe he should have done/been doing. When he's not busy being an empty chair do-nothing ineffectual lieberal, that is.
 
2013-03-11 12:40:20 PM  

Lord_Baull: DamnYankees: Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.

Of course they did. They realized they kept the House. I don't blame them for that.


By losing seats. Aim High!!


Yes, the "House" lost seats. But every individual Republican in the House won.
 
2013-03-11 12:43:35 PM  

Dr Dreidel: so sweat is just smelly water that is released onto the skin for celebratory purposes


Well, not sweat...

odinsposse: We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do


It's true.  We'll be judiciously studying their mistakes and trying to figure out how to fix them.  It's like having a spastic idiot conjoined twin who keeps flailing and drooling while we try to learn calculus.  Yes, they are the actors, but not all actions are good.
 
2013-03-11 12:43:50 PM  

DamnYankees: Lord_Baull: DamnYankees: Lord_Baull: I'm curious if the GOP paid attention to the results of the Nov 2012 election at all.

Of course they did. They realized they kept the House. I don't blame them for that.


By losing seats. Aim High!!

Yes, the "House" lost seats. But every individual Republican in the House won.

*


*Except the Rinos that lost to a democrat, but they didn't matter anyways.
 
2013-03-11 12:44:59 PM  

Citrate1007: This is the GOP's "math guy".


Maybe he is the GOP's theoretical math guy. "Assume the budget is a frictionless sphere..."
 
2013-03-11 12:53:04 PM  

ghare: MattStafford: All budget projects - both left and right - are extremely rosy.

To people with fake degrees in economics like you, this is true.

I know you don't give a shiat, but the CBO does a pretty good job.


Does the CBO even know how many coconuts there are in a GDP?  I didn't think so.
 
2013-03-11 12:55:47 PM  

Lord_Baull: zarberg: Lord_Baull: Weaver95: WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!


Where's Obama's leadership to force the Senate to pass this bill?!

Seeing as they keep using BS filibuster rules to keep stuff from even coming to a vote, I'd like to see the world you live in where a President can force congresscritters against their will.


don't blame me. It's what republicans believe he should have done/been doing. When he's not busy being an empty chair do-nothing ineffectual lieberal, that is.


Sometimes I think that the recent spate of "Why didn't the President just ignore Congress?" lines is a deliberate attempt to set the stage for when the next Republican President ignores Congress.

I can see it now: "Well, Obama ignored Congress and was the most imperial president in history, so as far as I'm concerned, President Santorum can do whatever he wants."
 
2013-03-11 01:00:16 PM  
Sorry, United States. I voted for his opponant in the house election, but the derp runs very deep around here. He's not leaving until a better paying gig comes along.
 
2013-03-11 01:00:56 PM  

qorkfiend: I can see it now: "Well, Obama ignored Congress and was the most imperial president in history, so as far as I'm concerned, President Santorum can do whatever he wants."


They'll say it anyway and nobody will question it.  I think that they're so used to getting what they want that they've forgotten that there are rules.
 
2013-03-11 01:10:01 PM  
Kudos to Chris Wallace for actually pointing out reality to an interviewee. Few in the media do that anymore.
 
2013-03-11 01:14:26 PM  

Weaver95: you want to balance the budget?  ok, fine.  lets consider who's got all the money in this county.  1% of the population has FORTY PERCENT of all the money we ever made.  they've got more money then they will ever be able to spend.  their kids and grand kids won't be able to spend all that cash.  that's how much money they've got.  F*cking Caligula would be embarrassed to have that much wealth.  there is no disputing that a very small and elite group of people own significant portions of the entire industrial output of the United States.

So we've established who has the biggest pile of cash.  And we know that pile is pretty damn big.  Huge, in fact.  why are we not taxing that pile of cash?  they can easily afford it.  they can flat out pay 90% in taxes and not even begin to feel the pinch.  plus they get way more in services and attention from the US government than the average citizen does - one of the elite 1% snaps his fingers, he gets senators showing up at his house to shine his shoes.  I say we make 'em pay for that level of attention.  we keep their companies safe, we protect their investments, we make sure the rich are pampered to an obscene degree.  time to step up and pay the bill for all that service.


something something tax is theft, something something socialism

I really don't know. What you said makes sense. It would make sense if you replace taxes/money with anything else. You go to the biggest source to get the most of what you need.

The right-wing relatives I deal with, and many of the right-wing on FARK, still seems to view all tax as theft, so I'm not sure how to reconcile that. Maybe you have a better insight, being a Republican that got off the crazy train before it sped off full bore to Derpsville.
 
2013-03-11 01:19:50 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Weaver95: you want to balance the budget?  ok, fine.  lets consider who's got all the money in this county.  1% of the population has FORTY PERCENT of all the money we ever made.  they've got more money then they will ever be able to spend.  their kids and grand kids won't be able to spend all that cash.  that's how much money they've got.  F*cking Caligula would be embarrassed to have that much wealth.  there is no disputing that a very small and elite group of people own significant portions of the entire industrial output of the United States.

So we've established who has the biggest pile of cash.  And we know that pile is pretty damn big.  Huge, in fact.  why are we not taxing that pile of cash?  they can easily afford it.  they can flat out pay 90% in taxes and not even begin to feel the pinch.  plus they get way more in services and attention from the US government than the average citizen does - one of the elite 1% snaps his fingers, he gets senators showing up at his house to shine his shoes.  I say we make 'em pay for that level of attention.  we keep their companies safe, we protect their investments, we make sure the rich are pampered to an obscene degree.  time to step up and pay the bill for all that service.

something something tax is theft, something something socialism

I really don't know. What you said makes sense. It would make sense if you replace taxes/money with anything else. You go to the biggest source to get the most of what you need.

The right-wing relatives I deal with, and many of the right-wing on FARK, still seems to view all tax as theft, so I'm not sure how to reconcile that. Maybe you have a better insight, being a Republican that got off the crazy train before it sped off full bore to Derpsville.


I would ask them to imagine a world in which there are no taxes.
 
2013-03-11 01:22:18 PM  
If this guy ever wanted to be taken seriously, he should have never allowed this:

cdn-media.hollywood.com

Oh, and he should also have been smarter.
 
2013-03-11 01:22:23 PM  

BillCo: So, the same budget assumptions that were used to prop up Obamacare.  Interesting.


well no. the Obamacare numbers have basis in fact. It's been scored by the independent budget agency. and looked at by economists for years now.

the Ryan budget hasn't survived any scrutiny at all.
 
2013-03-11 01:23:46 PM  

Tomahawk513: Sergeant Grumbles: Weaver95: you want to balance the budget?  ok, fine.  lets consider who's got all the money in this county.  1% of the population has FORTY PERCENT of all the money we ever made.  they've got more money then they will ever be able to spend.  their kids and grand kids won't be able to spend all that cash.  that's how much money they've got.  F*cking Caligula would be embarrassed to have that much wealth.  there is no disputing that a very small and elite group of people own significant portions of the entire industrial output of the United States.

So we've established who has the biggest pile of cash.  And we know that pile is pretty damn big.  Huge, in fact.  why are we not taxing that pile of cash?  they can easily afford it.  they can flat out pay 90% in taxes and not even begin to feel the pinch.  plus they get way more in services and attention from the US government than the average citizen does - one of the elite 1% snaps his fingers, he gets senators showing up at his house to shine his shoes.  I say we make 'em pay for that level of attention.  we keep their companies safe, we protect their investments, we make sure the rich are pampered to an obscene degree.  time to step up and pay the bill for all that service.

something something tax is theft, something something socialism

I really don't know. What you said makes sense. It would make sense if you replace taxes/money with anything else. You go to the biggest source to get the most of what you need.

The right-wing relatives I deal with, and many of the right-wing on FARK, still seems to view all tax as theft, so I'm not sure how to reconcile that. Maybe you have a better insight, being a Republican that got off the crazy train before it sped off full bore to Derpsville.

I would ask them to imagine a world in which there are no taxes.


cuip.uchicago.edu
 
2013-03-11 01:23:47 PM  
So they're only slightly more realistic than the ObamCare numbers then.

Politicians creating bills that are a pipe dream in terms of what will actually happen is nothing new but I guess since we're going with the liberal rule of "Intentions, Not Results" then we get to be critical of Ryan now.
 
2013-03-11 01:24:31 PM  

randomjsa: So they're only slightly more realistic than the ObamCare numbers then.

Politicians creating bills that are a pipe dream in terms of what will actually happen is nothing new but I guess since we're going with the liberal rule of "Intentions, Not Results" then we get to be critical of Ryan now.


Name one independent source for your claim
 
2013-03-11 01:24:38 PM  
A unicorn will  poop billions of gold coins directly into the Capitol building

Might have happened if Romney had been elected, and they would have put all their effort into gearing up the Alberta Pipeline and all the environmental degradation happening in North Dakota,  for "jobs."
 
2013-03-11 01:28:57 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: "We believe it should."

Keep it up, shiatbags. In 2016 millions of voters will be benefitting from Obamacare.


I think this is why they have to attack it and try to defeat it now.

It seems they have run the numbers and the ACA will work and save money, cost them seats, etc.

Because if they have run the numbers and it looks like a big bust in the future they would hold off and run on an "I told you so" platform. If the ACA was and will be a bust this would work for them and permanently disqualify the Democrats on any future health care reform (think "Hillary Care" and HMO's).

Thus, their constant complaints make me comfortable the ACA will have a net positive effect. Though single payer would still be preferential, and is still worth the work.
 
2013-03-11 01:30:00 PM  

randomjsa: So they're only slightly more realistic than the ObamCare numbers then.

Politicians creating bills that are a pipe dream in terms of what will actually happen is nothing new but I guess since we're going with the liberal rule of "Intentions, Not Results" "your own party laughed in your face last time you submitted this," then we get to be critical of Ryan now.

 
2013-03-11 01:35:00 PM  

SixPaperJoint: Thus, their constant complaints make me comfortable the ACA will have a net positive effect. Though single payer would still be preferential, and is still worth the work.


It's telling that they constantly repeat that the Democrats only passed it to win votes from "those people".

// as if the GOP can't or isn't or wouldn't do the very same thing (tax cuts for the rich)
// or isn't in a majority position to actually get repeal through the House
 
2013-03-11 01:36:01 PM  

Weaver95: WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!


When Chris Wallace goes "Dude!" on you, you know you went full retard.
 
2013-03-11 01:36:05 PM  

randomjsa: So they're only slightly more realistic than the ObamCare numbers then.

Politicians creating bills that are a pipe dream in terms of what will actually happen is nothing new but I guess since we're going with the liberal rule of "Intentions, Not Results" then we get to be critical of Ryan now.


Right, because trying to end ObamaCare for the 36th time is in no way grandstanding and a perfectly good use of time in tying up the House with a budget bill that's going to be DOA in the Senate.  And I won't even mention how he's not at all hypocritical for proposing $700 million in Medicaid cuts, falsely slamming Obama for cutting Medicaid by $700 million during the election, and then putting the $700 million in Medicaid cuts into his budget proposal.

But I'm sure that makes perfect sense to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Fox News, GOP shills and anyone who has the attention span of a ferret.
 
2013-03-11 01:37:40 PM  

Tomahawk513: I would ask them to imagine a world in which there are no taxes.


I'm sure every last one of them thinks, if not swimming in their money bin, they and everyone else would be much better off. "The money will go where it needs to go." is the excuse, as if the country road out to my great uncle's nearly bankrupt excavation business is where any of that money is going to go.
I already know what he thinks, he thinks the county would pave his road better if they weren't spending it the "wrong" parts of town. After all, he's a job creator, blah blah. He also think his business is nearly bankrupt because of regulations, like the ones that say he has to keep his digging machinery in decent condition or can't dump excess dirt wherever he wants.

Don't know how to reconcile with these people.
 
2013-03-11 01:42:23 PM  
Even I can't defend this.  Even the John Roberts Supreme Court ruled Obamacare constitutional.
 
2013-03-11 01:52:55 PM  

Dr Dreidel: SixPaperJoint: Thus, their constant complaints make me comfortable the ACA will have a net positive effect. Though single payer would still be preferential, and is still worth the work.

It's telling that they constantly repeat that the Democrats only passed it to win votes from "those people".

// as if the GOP can't or isn't or wouldn't do the very same thing (tax cuts for the rich)
// or isn't in a majority position to actually get repeal through the House


CSB/
I have a friend that hates Corey Booker because he is trying to win votes from "those people". I have never gotten an answer to why making the lives of your constituents better is a bad thing. If a politician is pandering by being a good community servant aren't we as a whole completely farked? Booker may have other faults but my friend doesn't mention them and I don't know because I live in IL and only hear of Booker when he's saving someone from a burning house or whatever.
end CSB/

In short:
Why would pandering to your constituents by making their lives better/easier automatically be a bad thing.
 
2013-03-11 02:26:43 PM  

Hobodeluxe: randomjsa: So they're only slightly more realistic than the ObamCare numbers then.

Politicians creating bills that are a pipe dream in terms of what will actually happen is nothing new but I guess since we're going with the liberal rule of "Intentions, Not Results" then we get to be critical of Ryan now.

Name one independent source for your claim


randomjsa's sources:

~ his ass
 
2013-03-11 02:32:04 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Hobodeluxe: randomjsa: So they're only slightly more realistic than the ObamCare numbers then.

Politicians creating bills that are a pipe dream in terms of what will actually happen is nothing new but I guess since we're going with the liberal rule of "Intentions, Not Results" then we get to be critical of Ryan now.

Name one independent source for your claim

randomjsa's sources:

~ his ass



Lionel, never stop being awesome.
 
2013-03-11 02:42:33 PM  

SixPaperJoint: Dr Dreidel: SixPaperJoint: Thus, their constant complaints make me comfortable the ACA will have a net positive effect. Though single payer would still be preferential, and is still worth the work.

It's telling that they constantly repeat that the Democrats only passed it to win votes from "those people".

// as if the GOP can't or isn't or wouldn't do the very same thing (tax cuts for the rich)
// or isn't in a majority position to actually get repeal through the House

CSB/
I have a friend that hates Corey Booker because he is trying to win votes from "those people". I have never gotten an answer to why making the lives of your constituents better is a bad thing. If a politician is pandering by being a good community servant aren't we as a whole completely farked? Booker may have other faults but my friend doesn't mention them and I don't know because I live in IL and only hear of Booker when he's saving someone from a burning house or whatever.
end CSB/

In short:
Why would pandering to your constituents by making their lives better/easier automatically be a bad thing.


When the constituent being pandered to isn't you, but instead some nebulous other you don't approve of?  I'm not saying it's fair, but it's understandable.
 
2013-03-11 02:56:42 PM  
Now, Mr. Ryan, I'm a politician.  Which means that when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their candy. But that also means I keep my options open..
 
2013-03-11 03:07:53 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Weaver95: WALLACE:Are you saying that as part of your budget ... you assume the repeal of Obamacare?
RYAN: Yes.
WALLACE: Well, that's not going to happen.
RYAN: Well, we believe it should...
 'we believe it should'?!  that's the best Ryan's got!?  oh, well of course we can balance the budget because we BELIEVE the money will just magically appear out of the sky in 5 months and 24 days.  it's in my best selling book, right there in black and white!

this is the best the GOP has got?  THIS is their idea of leadership?!

He's a numbers guy! A policy wonk! He's a numbers policy wonk! Don't you know!? Haven't you been listening? He's an idea policy numbers wonk! HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO INSIST HE'S SERIOUS BEFORE YOU UNDERSTAND HE'S A SERIOUS NUMBERS WONK POLICY IDEA?!?!?!?!?!?


As always, at least one more time...
 
2013-03-11 03:08:28 PM  

Weaver95: I don't get it.  how is the GOP planning on regaining lost ground in 2014 when they seem dedicated to repeating the same mistakes that lost them the white house to Obama...?


They're counting on liberals to not show up, like in 2010.
 
2013-03-11 03:14:54 PM  

qorkfiend: I can see it now: "Well, Obama ignored Congress and was the most imperial president in history, so as far as I'm concerned, President Santorum can do whatever he wants."


Hearing those words makes me ill. Kind of a greasy-brown feeling.
 
2013-03-11 03:31:37 PM  

Diogenes: GAT_00: Paul's back to embracing Medicare cuts as well, after expressly campaigning against them to be VP just a few months ago.

Life's too short.  I just assume everything he says is a lie and/or has an ulterior motive.


He is over 25, has a job that requires him to understand how government actually works, and still takes Ayn Rand seriously.   That's a working defintion of "mentally ill" as far as a I am concerned.   Given hsi  comments on the campgin trail, especially his lies about the most trivial of accomplishments, I wouldn't  balk at "pathological liar" as a differential diagnosis
 
2013-03-11 03:51:57 PM  

Magorn: Diogenes: GAT_00: Paul's back to embracing Medicare cuts as well, after expressly campaigning against them to be VP just a few months ago.

Life's too short.  I just assume everything he says is a lie and/or has an ulterior motive.

He is over 25, has a job that requires him to understand how government actually works, and still takes Ayn Rand seriously.   That's a working defintion of "mentally ill" as far as a I am concerned.   Given hsi  comments on the campgin trail, especially his lies about the most trivial of accomplishments, I wouldn't  balk at "pathological liar" as a differential diagnosis


Is it still lying if *he* believes it when he's saying it?

Because *technically*... he could be *wrong*, but not *lying*.

Yeah, yeah... that's the ticket.
 
2013-03-11 04:57:59 PM  

Weaver95: you want to balance the budget?  ok, fine.  lets consider who's got all the money in this county.  1% of the population has FORTY PERCENT of all the money we ever made.  they've got more money then they will ever be able to spend.  their kids and grand kids won't be able to spend all that cash.  that's how much money they've got.  F*cking Caligula would be embarrassed to have that much wealth.  there is no disputing that a very small and elite group of people own significant portions of the entire industrial output of the United States.

So we've established who has the biggest pile of cash.  And we know that pile is pretty damn big.  Huge, in fact.  why are we not taxing that pile of cash?  they can easily afford it.  they can flat out pay 90% in taxes and not even begin to feel the pinch.  plus they get way more in services and attention from the US government than the average citizen does - one of the elite 1% snaps his fingers, he gets senators showing up at his house to shine his shoes.  I say we make 'em pay for that level of attention.  we keep their companies safe, we protect their investments, we make sure the rich are pampered to an obscene degree.  time to step up and pay the bill for all that service.



"All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."    -- Ben Franklin, on estate taxes, but he could have just as easily been referring to taxation generally.
 
2013-03-11 07:15:33 PM  

Speaker2Animals: Weaver95: you want to balance the budget?  ok, fine.  lets consider who's got all the money in this county.  1% of the population has FORTY PERCENT of all the money we ever made.  they've got more money then they will ever be able to spend.  their kids and grand kids won't be able to spend all that cash.  that's how much money they've got.  F*cking Caligula would be embarrassed to have that much wealth.  there is no disputing that a very small and elite group of people own significant portions of the entire industrial output of the United States.

So we've established who has the biggest pile of cash.  And we know that pile is pretty damn big.  Huge, in fact.  why are we not taxing that pile of cash?  they can easily afford it.  they can flat out pay 90% in taxes and not even begin to feel the pinch.  plus they get way more in services and attention from the US government than the average citizen does - one of the elite 1% snaps his fingers, he gets senators showing up at his house to shine his shoes.  I say we make 'em pay for that level of attention.  we keep their companies safe, we protect their investments, we make sure the rich are pampered to an obscene degree.  time to step up and pay the bill for all that service.

"All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."    -- Ben Franklin, on estate taxes, but he could have just as easily been referring to taxation generally.



Paul Ryan = eater of grass
 
2013-03-11 08:09:51 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Smackledorfer: I especially love "rightful place on his skin". Are you making a religious argument that god intended us to wear cotton t-shirts, or are you making a ridiculous claim that we evolved to wear t-shirts while exercising?

Snarky annoyance aside: go to the gym yourself, don't watch half an an informercial and pretend to be an authority. Informercials are there to sell you something, not teach you something.

Um, you may want to reread. The sweat's rightful place is on the skin, and it is only the heathen cotton fibers that tear it away from the bosom of your bosom.

The infomercial was selling an alternative to both - a shirt that wicked away moisture, but collected it (through the science of capillarity) in sensitive spots like the back of the neck. The moisture would be off the skin, but still acting as a coolant. The temp readings (assuming they were accurate) are a matter of fact, not salesmanship.

// besides which, I'm not going to a gym just to prove a point to someone I've never met
// so sweat is just smelly water that is released onto the skin for celebratory purposes and not to keep the body cool?


You were comparing moisture-wicking with "regular t-shirts" ie cotton.

Now you are introducing new information and telling me to reread your original rubbish.

There is no 'rightful place' for sweat, shirts aren't hats, and you are changing the facts of your citation of 'some infomercial you saw one time' for what purpose, exactly?

Do you love Paul Ryan that much, or what?
 
2013-03-11 08:36:35 PM  

Flab: There's a leprechaun with a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.  It is known.


img708.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-12 12:35:34 AM  

sammyk: Why wont Obama be reasonable and meet the republicans halfway?

/too early for this derp


Because he's have to backtrack left to get there?

Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low


Don't forget, this guy's district reelected him by double digits.  Combine that with the fact that he is able to construct a bubble strong enough to shield him from the fact that he and Mitt were gonna lose the Presidential race, and it's pretty plausible that he doesn't realize most of the nation thinks he's a tool.
 
2013-03-12 10:16:55 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: sammyk: Why wont Obama be reasonable and meet the republicans halfway?

/too early for this derp

Because he's have to backtrack left to get there?

Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low

Don't forget, this guy's district reelected him by double digits.  Combine that with the fact that he is able to construct a bubble strong enough to shield him from the fact that he and Mitt were gonna lose the Presidential race, and it's pretty plausible that he doesn't realize most of the nation thinks he's a tool.


Could we send him a letter?

/post cards?
 
2013-03-12 10:22:41 AM  

KushanMadman: Don't Troll Me Bro!: sammyk: Why wont Obama be reasonable and meet the republicans halfway?

/too early for this derp

Because he's have to backtrack left to get there?

Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low

Don't forget, this guy's district reelected him by double digits.  Combine that with the fact that he is able to construct a bubble strong enough to shield him from the fact that he and Mitt were gonna lose the Presidential race, and it's pretty plausible that he doesn't realize most of the nation thinks he's a tool.

Could we send him a letter?

/post cards?


I don't see why not.
http://paulryan.house.gov/contact/
 
2013-03-13 10:27:16 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: sammyk: Why wont Obama be reasonable and meet the republicans halfway?

/too early for this derp

Because he's have to backtrack left to get there?

Peter von Nostrand: This guy embarrassed himself enough in the last election. He should take a few months, actually years, to lie low

Don't forget, this guy's district reelected him by double digits.  Combine that with the fact that he is able to construct a bubble strong enough to shield him from the fact that he and Mitt were gonna lose the Presidential race, and it's pretty plausible that he doesn't realize most of the nation thinks he's a tool.


That is only because they newly gerrymandered his district all the way over to Waukesha to take in some of the richie riches. He did not actually carry his home area around Janesville, they hate him there.
 
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