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(USA Today)   Baby Boomer Jonah Goldberg complains that the Greatest Generation is coddled and selfish, and the cost of providing their unsustainable entitlements will bankrupt their descendants   (usatoday.com) divider line 337
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2013-03-11 08:29:15 AM
Right. Take them out back and shoot 'em.
 
2013-03-11 08:32:14 AM
Boomers end around '64. Born in 1969, Goldberg is firmly Generation X.
 
2013-03-11 08:37:49 AM
Those unfamiliar with Johan Goldberg can read more here
 
2013-03-11 08:46:44 AM
 
2013-03-11 08:48:42 AM
Jonah Goldberg mixes the wordsmithing of Bill O'Reilly with the smarminess of Bill Maher, which wouldn't be so bad except he's really on the intellectual level of Victoria Jackson.
 
2013-03-11 08:57:31 AM
NRO Symposium 2013: Returning the GOP to Glory in 2014 and Beyond

PowerPoint slide #1: Alienate the only voting block keeping you afloat as a national party
 
2013-03-11 09:06:15 AM
Doughy Pantsload hasn't said anything this dumb in days. Good to see he's still being paid to dare to be stupid.
 
2013-03-11 09:07:27 AM

sigdiamond2000: NRO Symposium 2013: Returning the GOP to Glory in 2014 and Beyond

PowerPoint slide #1: Alienate the only voting block keeping you afloat as a national party


The GOP is "going to glory" in 2014?

That seems rather pessimistic for a symposium.
 
2013-03-11 09:09:10 AM

I_Am_Weasel: The GOP is "going to glory" in 2014?


They're going to be Raptured?
 
2013-03-11 09:14:07 AM
I think his point is that this is a generation of Americans who took a huge bit of government subsides (money) then, and continue to take a huge bit of subsides (money) now. But vote for their following generations to not get those same subsides (money), because fark you I got mine, and I fought in a war (or was a cook somewhere behind the lines).
 
2013-03-11 09:15:29 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I_Am_Weasel: The GOP is "going to glory" in 2014?

They're going to be Raptured?


They're in a bit of a hole...
 
2013-03-11 09:24:37 AM
I don't mean to belittle or demean the heroic efforts and sacrifices of those who served in World War II. But the idea that a whole generation deserves credit for what only some did is little more than an attempt to buy glory on the cheap.

Um, really? I'm 40, all of my grandparents lived through the depression and the war by scrimping and saving and sacrificing, life was very hard back then.

To say that only the people actually fighting the war deserve credit is total bullshiat.
 
2013-03-11 09:37:08 AM

Sybarite: Boomers end around '64. Born in 1969, Goldberg is firmly Generation X.


This.

/also born in 69
 
2013-03-11 09:51:14 AM
Jonah Goldberg is why we have anti-nepotism policies in most workplaces.
 
2013-03-11 09:51:51 AM
I'm going to take very seriously a discussion on selfishness and entitlement from somebody whose every job interview has begun with him saying, "MOOOOOOOOM!!"
 
2013-03-11 09:53:14 AM

ox45tallboy: Jonah Goldberg mixes the wordsmithing of Bill O'Reilly with the smarminess of Bill Maher, which wouldn't be so bad except he's really on the intellectual level of Victoria Jackson.


That's pretty much the most apt description of Goldberg I've seen... Well done.
 
2013-03-11 09:54:04 AM

2wolves: Doughy Pantsload hasn't said anything this dumb in days. Good to see he's still being paid to dare to be stupid.


This isn't all that stupid.  How often have we seen members of the Greediest Generation screaming about how we need to stop socialism but don't you dare touch their Social Security or Medicare?  What better proof of that is there than Paul Ryan trying to "reform" Medicare by utterly destroying it for people under 55, but keeping it for the old because he didn't want to dare offend them.  We had to see Medicare totally destroyed, but they got to keep the existing system without changes.

And I still haven't mentioned how the Greediest Generation could have fixed Social Security for decades, but never did because it would have meant a very slight increase in their own taxes.  Now my generation will have to see a huge tax increase in the future to keep paying for them.
 
2013-03-11 09:56:07 AM

GAT_00: 2wolves: Doughy Pantsload hasn't said anything this dumb in days. Good to see he's still being paid to dare to be stupid.

This isn't all that stupid.  How often have we seen members of the Greediest Generation screaming about how we need to stop socialism but don't you dare touch their Social Security or Medicare?  What better proof of that is there than Paul Ryan trying to "reform" Medicare by utterly destroying it for people under 55, but keeping it for the old because he didn't want to dare offend them.  We had to see Medicare totally destroyed, but they got to keep the existing system without changes.

And I still haven't mentioned how the Greediest Generation could have fixed Social Security for decades, but never did because it would have meant a very slight increase in their own taxes.  Now my generation will have to see a huge tax increase in the future to keep paying for them.


Oh, come on.  No one could have seen or anticipated this.  The population boom just snuck up on them.  They're very quiet.
 
2013-03-11 09:56:51 AM

ox45tallboy: Jonah Goldberg mixes the wordsmithing of Bill O'Reilly with the smarminess of Bill Maher, which wouldn't be so bad except he's really on the intellectual level of Victoria Jackson.


*golf clap
 
2013-03-11 09:57:23 AM
Ah, yes, "entitlements."

Like being entitled to a career of writing idiotic articles and books because your mom blew the right people.

i48.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-11 09:57:35 AM

GAT_00: 2wolves: Doughy Pantsload hasn't said anything this dumb in days. Good to see he's still being paid to dare to be stupid.

This isn't all that stupid.  How often have we seen members of the Greediest Generation screaming about how we need to stop socialism but don't you dare touch their Social Security or Medicare?  What better proof of that is there than Paul Ryan trying to "reform" Medicare by utterly destroying it for people under 55, but keeping it for the old because he didn't want to dare offend them.  We had to see Medicare totally destroyed, but they got to keep the existing system without changes.

And I still haven't mentioned how the Greediest Generation could have fixed Social Security for decades, but never did because it would have meant a very slight increase in their own taxes.  Now my generation will have to see a huge tax increase in the future to keep paying for them.


Right but the greediest generation you are referring to are the boomers, not their parents (which is who Goldberg is railing against)
 
2013-03-11 09:59:07 AM
One of the egalitarian precepts that all Americans are supposed to subscribe to is the idea that one citizen isn't more worthy than another, simply by accident of birth.

There is tremendous irony in Goldberg writing those words.
 
2013-03-11 10:00:25 AM

rtaylor92: Right but the greediest generation you are referring to are the boomers, not their parents (which is who Goldberg is railing against)


They couldn't have turned into the greedy, entitled bastards they did without their parents contributing a lot.
 
2013-03-11 10:01:11 AM
More tax cuts for the wealthy is the only solution.
 
2013-03-11 10:02:19 AM
Why do you blame people for wanting what was PROMISED them?

I left my previous job, because my current employer made me an offer that included benefits. I accepted the job, because of what was offered.

Our current government made us all sign a contract to pay into Social Security, and gave us all a number. In signing for that card, we signed a contract, that if we payed into that fund, there would be benefits for us, when we retired. The government "borrowed" money from that fund and never payed it back. Now they say it's "broken". It is only broken, because the government broke it themselves when they stole all the money from it.
 
2013-03-11 10:02:21 AM
I will say if they are going to demand that we balance the budget and dramatically cut spending in the next decade, it's good they'll finally admit where the vast majority of the expected growth in government spending is projected to come from.

Seriously, saying "we should be cutting our spending by hundreds of billions each year from current projected spending" while also saying "we will make sure retiring baby boomers and the military are untouched by cuts" translates to "we will eliminate all other government function to preserve the 2/3rds of projected spending those things cost us so as not have to raise taxes."
 
2013-03-11 10:03:17 AM
I don't mean to belittle or demean the heroic efforts and sacrifices of those who served in World War II. But the idea that a whole generation deserves credit for what only some did is little more than an attempt to buy glory on the cheap.

During World War II, approximately 16,000,000 Americans served in the military. There were over 300,000 Americans killed. Those at home worked in factories converted to wartime production, or went without necessities because supplies were routed to troops. The entire nation came together and worked to defeat an enemy.

Meanwhile, today people slap a yellow magnet on their bumper and think they're "supporting the troops".

Jonah Goldberg is beneath contempt.
 
2013-03-11 10:04:17 AM
Someone needs to send this whiney little revisionist farker back in time to grow up in the period of 1930 to 1960, so he can come back and tell us about all that coddling he got.

Here's a simple solution for those who consider Social Security and Medicare to be government hand-outs: when you reach 65 years of age, simply do not apply for benefits. You are not, after all, required to.
 
2013-03-11 10:04:22 AM
Older generations paid taxes to fund Social Security.  Social Security bought Treasuries with the surplus.  The government spent that money on the military and safety nets.  Now the Trust Fund needs the money they are owed from those bonds.  The only way for the government to get that money is to tax the people currently working.
 
2013-03-11 10:04:54 AM
Wow, news from 1992 has reached the republican party.

Hey, here's some more tidbits you'd probably like to know:

1) nobody cares if you're gay and you want to get married
2) mexicans aren't the only people here illegally
3) Dick Cheney shot a man in the face. The guy apologized for being in Dick Cheney's gun's line of sight.
4) Trickle Down economics doesn't work.
 
2013-03-11 10:05:19 AM
I'm glad I'm estranged from my family for this reason alone.
No, I do not want to inherit your massive debt, thank you very much.
 
2013-03-11 10:06:05 AM
When SS was formed, it was meant to provide about 3 years of support, the average lifespan was 68 back then, it's gone up by 6 years since and the retirement age hasn't been adjusted.  Want to fix SS?  Raise the retirement age.
 
2013-03-11 10:06:11 AM

Kome: One of the egalitarian precepts that all Americans are supposed to subscribe to is the idea that one citizen isn't more worthy than another, simply by accident of birth.

There is tremendous irony in Goldberg writing those words.



Next thing, you'll tell me that George W. Bush, John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Rand Paul didn't bootstrap their way to success.

The only people that ask "Who's your daddy?" more than the RNC are the patrons of the RNC men's rooms.
 
2013-03-11 10:06:14 AM

Sybarite: Boomers end around '64. Born in 1969, Goldberg is firmly Generation X.


Jesus, really?  He ages about as badly as Andrew Breitbart did.
 
2013-03-11 10:06:16 AM

The Why Not Guy: I don't mean to belittle or demean the heroic efforts and sacrifices of those who served in World War II. But the idea that a whole generation deserves credit for what only some did is little more than an attempt to buy glory on the cheap.

During World War II, approximately 16,000,000 Americans served in the military. There were over 300,000 Americans killed. Those at home worked in factories converted to wartime production, or went without necessities because supplies were routed to troops. The entire nation came together and worked to defeat an enemy.

Meanwhile, today people slap a yellow magnet on their bumper and think they're "supporting the troops".

Jonah Goldberg is beneath contempt.


You're my new best friend.
 
2013-03-11 10:06:29 AM
It is quite annoying to be told that I have to "work harder" because the generation before mine couldn't be bothered to pay back all those loans they took out of FICA.

Especially since that generation's lack of computer and Internet skills are why I have to work so much damn harder to pick up their slack in the workplace anyway.

/Full disclosure: Parts manufacturing industry, deep red state
 
2013-03-11 10:06:56 AM
Goldberg? Gold...berg? Huh. You know who else had a country full of Goldbergs?

Seriously, the greatest generation also includes those who grew up in the Depression--we were a country devastated by an economic system that couldn't give a crap about most of the men and women who fought so hard to save that economic system. Things were so bad (my ancestors ate boiled chicken feed for hot cereal) that countless men who volunteered to serve before or just after Pearl Harbor were turned away because of medical problems caused by years of deprivation. No teeth, rickets, bad lungs, bad spines, numerous problems associated with no shoes, no proper clothing against the cold, riding the rails for years on end, poor diet.

We made a deal with that generation. Social Security, bank reform, Civil Conservation Corps, the WPA and any number of things that gave a American youth a safety net to grow up in. And when we sent them to war to fight against fascism (and against many businesses that were tied to American corporations) we made sure that if they came home, they could buy a safe house with a reasonable mortgage, go to college and get an education, etc. We owed them that much for the sacrifices they made before the war and during it.

Pliny the Elder said "Home is where the heart is". That was a popular phrase during the Depression because many of that generation didn't have a home except a patch of grass or the floor of a freight car.

Jonah has no idea.
 
2013-03-11 10:06:57 AM

Pick: Why do you blame people for wanting what was PROMISED them?

I left my previous job, because my current employer made me an offer that included benefits. I accepted the job, because of what was offered.

Our current government made us all sign a contract to pay into Social Security, and gave us all a number. In signing for that card, we signed a contract, that if we payed into that fund, there would be benefits for us, when we retired. The government "borrowed" money from that fund and never payed it back. Now they say it's "broken". It is only broken, because the government broke it themselves when they stole all the money from it.


There is no contractual right to receive Social Security benefits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemming_v._Nestor

http://www.ssa.gov/history/nestor.html

Now get back to work, citizen.
 
2013-03-11 10:07:54 AM
He's lucky my grandfather & uncle aren't around to kick his a$$.
Those people saved the world, what has this idiot done?
 
2013-03-11 10:08:42 AM
Goldberg, please.
 
2013-03-11 10:09:04 AM

Pick: Why do you blame people for wanting what was PROMISED them?

I left my previous job, because my current employer made me an offer that included benefits. I accepted the job, because of what was offered.

Our current government made us all sign a contract to pay into Social Security, and gave us all a number. In signing for that card, we signed a contract, that if we payed into that fund, there would be benefits for us, when we retired. The government "borrowed" money from that fund and never payed it back. Now they say it's "broken". It is only broken, because the government broke it themselves when they stole all the money from it.


No contract was signed. Social Security card was made necessary to track taxes. Social Security tax is just another tax on income that has a cap. You want to fix SS? Remove the farking cap. Yes this will be a tax increase, but only on those who are all ready making more then the cap and on employers.
 
2013-03-11 10:09:05 AM

Lord_Baull: Wow, news from 1992 has reached the republican party.

Hey, here's some more tidbits you'd probably like to know:

1) nobody cares if you're gay and you want to get married
2) mexicans aren't the only people here illegally
3) Dick Cheney shot a man in the face. The guy apologized for being in Dick Cheney's gun's line of sight.
4) Trickle Down economics doesn't work.


"Trickle down" did exactly what it was supposed to do.
 
2013-03-11 10:09:28 AM
People of the "Greatest Generation" received back in benefits everything they ever contributed to Social Security within a couple of years. Us Boomers will take longer, but we'll get more back than we put in. You kids are F'd. It takes a while, but all Ponzi Schemes eventually fall apart.
 
2013-03-11 10:09:30 AM

Grungehamster: I will say if they are going to demand that we balance the budget and dramatically cut spending in the next decade, it's good they'll finally admit where the vast majority of the expected growth in government spending is projected to come from.

Seriously, saying "we should be cutting our spending by hundreds of billions each year from current projected spending" while also saying "we will make sure retiring baby boomers and the military are untouched by cuts" translates to "we will eliminate all other government function to preserve the 2/3rds of projected spending those things cost us so as not have to raise taxes."


We want to cut government enough so that the only thing it can do is go into foreign countries and drown their babies in a bathtub.
 
2013-03-11 10:11:53 AM

Lord_Baull: 3) Dick Cheney shot a man in the face. The guy apologized for being in Dick Cheney's gun's line of sight.


We should all be so lucky to have been blessed by Emperor Palpatine
 
2013-03-11 10:12:18 AM

Pick: Why do you blame people for wanting what was PROMISED them?

The government "borrowed" money from that fund and never payed it back. Now they say it's "broken". It is only broken, because the government broke it themselves when they stole all the money from it.



*sigh* They did not steal anything, the excess of Social Security was put into the general budget by design. The system works as it was intended to work. The idea of having a massive pile of cash sitting around is considered a moral hazard, so to avoid that hazard SS was by design not allowed to accrue cash. The idea of it being stolen or a lock box is just another politicians lie.

Why do you believe so many lies? Are you incapable of thinking for your self or doing even a small amount of research? Or do you just like spewing bullshiat?
 
2013-03-11 10:12:19 AM
How much of the Greatest Generation is still alive? My grandfather died at 88 a few years back - born in 1920, fought in WWII (airplane mechanic).

The Baby Boomers are the ones we're worried about. We're (barely) keeping our heads above water paying for old people now, but once you Roy Rogers-turned hippe-turned disco fever-turned yuppie-turned soccer mom folks start getting that sweet government cheese is when things start to collapse rather than simply rot.

// The Greatest Generation also paid some high taxes without all the biatching the Boomers did/do
 
2013-03-11 10:12:42 AM

Sudlow: People of the "Greatest Generation" received back in benefits everything they ever contributed to Social Security within a couple of years. Us Boomers will take longer, but we'll get more back than we put in. You kids are F'd. It takes a while, but all Ponzi Schemes eventually fall apart.


Which is why I'd like to see it ended immediately.   Hell take the money I've paid in...whatever.  Even require me to withhold 12% of my paycheck(and require the company to give that other 6%) and put it in a retirement fund that I can direct.   Just farking end social security.
 
2013-03-11 10:13:15 AM

Sudlow: People of the "Greatest Generation" received back in benefits everything they ever contributed to Social Security within a couple of years. Us Boomers will take longer, but we'll get more back than we put in. You kids are F'd. It takes a while, but all Ponzi Schemes eventually fall apart.


Thanks for that, by the way. Also, thanks for ruining sex and drugs, too.
 
2013-03-11 10:13:46 AM

Sudlow: People of the "Greatest Generation" received back in benefits everything they ever contributed to Social Security within a couple of years. Us Boomers will take longer, but we'll get more back than we put in. You kids are F'd. It takes a while, but all Ponzi Schemes eventually fall apart.


Not when ponzi can shoot people for not paying up.
 
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