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(Salt Lake Tribune)   Anti-wolf group to receive another $300,000 from Utah. TEAM EDWARD   (sltrib.com) divider line 125
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2013-03-11 06:29:53 AM  
Fark you, Utah.

I hope these anti-wolf people are hit by a bus.
 
2013-03-11 06:48:52 AM  
We can't have those damn Mexican gray wolves coming in and taking our American wolf jobs! USA! USA!
 
2013-03-11 07:25:23 AM  
media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-11 07:27:10 AM  
A-hem. Some people just need to hate.
 
2013-03-11 07:32:25 AM  
What's this? Democrats against wasteful spending?? NOWAI
 
2013-03-11 08:20:59 AM  
Soon we'll be forced to get by with mere TWO wolf moon t-shirts, and then what happens, Utah? The living will envy the dead!
 
2013-03-11 08:37:06 AM  
I saw what you did, Subby.  "TEAM EDWARD" is an anagram of "DREW EAT MAD"
 
2013-03-11 08:37:55 AM  
Hmm so I just need to donate $5000 to a state rep to get $300,000 back. Not bad a return. Just have to find another one as corrupt as him in my state.
 
2013-03-11 08:44:21 AM  
Damn, I was hoping that this was a group aligned against representative Frank Wolf.
 
2013-03-11 08:44:46 AM  

doglover: Fark you, Utah.

I hope these anti-wolf people are hit by a bus.


I hope they are eaten by wolves.
 
2013-03-11 08:45:05 AM  

2wolves: A-hem. Some people just need to hate.


What was it that they say about those who hate again? I swear there was some colloquialism...
 
2013-03-11 08:45:26 AM  
Wolves are good hunting.
 
2013-03-11 08:45:32 AM  
Maybe I can get $250K for my anti-armadillo effort.
 
2013-03-11 08:45:58 AM  
The saddest part is the first Twilight movie wasn't even the best vampire movie that came out that week (Let The Right One In)
 
2013-03-11 08:46:20 AM  
Aren't wolves a keystone species, the loss of which severely affects the ecosystem?
 
2013-03-11 08:46:57 AM  

vudukungfu: doglover: Fark you, Utah.

I hope these anti-wolf people are hit by a bus.

I hope they are eaten by wolves.


And senselessly.
 
2013-03-11 08:47:09 AM  
An outspoken critic of wolves - who also was sponsor of last year's so-called "Mule Deer Protection Act," more than doubling the $20 bounty on coyotes - Okerlund received $6,500 in campaign donations last year from the two men requesting the funding.

It's not lobbying - you have to hide the money better to call it lobbying.  This is just a pay-off.
OTOH, a $6500 investment nets you 300k tax free?  Where's my crooked politician when I need them.

BTW this has nothing to do with animals - it has all to do with the $

fark 'em
 
2013-03-11 08:47:30 AM  
prakhsis.com
 
2013-03-11 08:51:06 AM  
About two weeks ago, I saw evidence of a wolf around our fields.  We had a rodent population surge last summer, so we poisoned the small game just about completely.  That's been great, though I think it might've limited the wolf's food supply.  Tough winter too.  I suspected the damn thing was creeping in on our livestock.

Lo and behold, I was out checking fences this past Saturday when I saw the wolf up on the ridge.  It was the wrong place for him to be.  There's nothing but flat land around that particular area, for about seven miles.  I took off after him on the ATV, which I just spent the winter souping up.  That thing can fly.

I just chased him for about a mile and half, until his gait broke down to a jog.  Then he was so tired and probably starving that he could only walk.  I let him get about fifty yards up ahead, then I leveled up the old Bushmaster.  I gave a high whistle, he stopped and turned, which let me shoot him right through the left eye.  Pelt intact!

I've got him hanging up now, draining, but I should have him cleaned up in about three weeks.  E-mail me if you want to know when I put it up on eBay, or if you want to make a cash offer now we can do business directly.  I've got a feeling he has a biatch and some yearling pups near the canyons, so I can get more skins if you need them.  EIP.
 
2013-03-11 08:53:02 AM  
Why is it that any time an article comes out about somebody doing something to either kill everything non-human or domesticated that lives, or prevent such wild things from living, it gets the "interesting" tag? The article about killing 100 million sharks a year got the same tag. Now an article about a group seeking to prevent wolves from re-expanding or being re-introduced into their natural range in the west (they were exterminated, with bounties offered) gets the tag. Public money in Utah is going to literally prevent natural systems from returning to their healthy state.

Is the "sad" tag just done crying for the wildlife of the planet?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-11 08:53:22 AM  
img2.timeinc.net

Single digit IQ.  I think I'm okay with this.
 
2013-03-11 08:55:16 AM  
Whatever.  How many goddamned Law and Order's do you need?
 
2013-03-11 08:55:49 AM  

adamatari: Why is it that any time an article comes out about somebody doing something to either kill everything non-human or domesticated that lives, or prevent such wild things from living, it gets the "interesting" tag? The article about killing 100 million sharks a year got the same tag. Now an article about a group seeking to prevent wolves from re-expanding or being re-introduced into their natural range in the west (they were exterminated, with bounties offered) gets the tag. Public money in Utah is going to literally prevent natural systems from returning to their healthy state.

Is the "sad" tag just done crying for the wildlife of the planet?


Trolls.
 
2013-03-11 08:56:52 AM  
People out west farking hate wolves and the people reintroducing them. The wolves eat livestock and otherwise cause headaches for ranchers and farmers (which besides resource extraction, is the only economic activity in many places), and people out there pretty much shoot them on sight if they have a firearm handy. Neighbors don't ask questions about dead wolves or why no one has seen that pack of wolves around lately.

As someone who enjoys tasty, delicious livestock, I'm okay with this. Reintroducing them into Yellowstone is one thing, but there's a reason the west is thought of as 'conquered', and part of that is not having to worry about wolves eating your sheep in the year 2013.
 
2013-03-11 09:01:18 AM  

spentmiles: About two weeks ago, I saw evidence of a wolf around our fields.  We had a rodent population surge last summer, so we poisoned the small game just about completely.  That's been great, though I think it might've limited the wolf's food supply.  Tough winter too.  I suspected the damn thing was creeping in on our livestock.

Lo and behold, I was out checking fences this past Saturday when I saw the wolf up on the ridge.  It was the wrong place for him to be.  There's nothing but flat land around that particular area, for about seven miles.  I took off after him on the ATV, which I just spent the winter souping up.  That thing can fly.

I just chased him for about a mile and half, until his gait broke down to a jog.  Then he was so tired and probably starving that he could only walk.  I let him get about fifty yards up ahead, then I leveled up the old Bushmaster.  I gave a high whistle, he stopped and turned, which let me shoot him right through the left eye.  Pelt intact!

I've got him hanging up now, draining, but I should have him cleaned up in about three weeks.  E-mail me if you want to know when I put it up on eBay, or if you want to make a cash offer now we can do business directly.  I've got a feeling he has a biatch and some yearling pups near the canyons, so I can get more skins if you need them.  EIP.


And my Monday morning is off to a good start.
 
2013-03-11 09:02:21 AM  
Team Edward?

Dear Subby,

If you're going to submit, at least make your headlines reference something that isn't obscure.
 
2013-03-11 09:03:36 AM  

SnarfVader: We can't have those damn Mexican gray wolves coming in and taking our American wolf jobs! USA! USA!


i lol'd
 
2013-03-11 09:07:51 AM  

vudukungfu: doglover: Fark you, Utah.

I hope these anti-wolf people are hit by a bus.

I hope they are eaten by wolves.


Just like Gerald Ford?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-11 09:09:14 AM  

AmericanPagan: vudukungfu: doglover: Fark you, Utah.

I hope these anti-wolf people are hit by a bus.

I hope they are eaten by wolves.

Just like Gerald Ford?


He was delicious.
 
2013-03-11 09:18:02 AM  

TomServo24: vudukungfu: doglover: Fark you, Utah.

I hope these anti-wolf people are hit by a bus.

I hope they are eaten by wolves.

And senselessly.


I hope they are gored by a bunch of deer who have turned aggressive due to overpopulation.
 
2013-03-11 09:19:10 AM  

StatelyGreekAutomaton: 2wolves: A-hem. Some people just need to hate.

What was it that they say about those who hate again? I swear there was some colloquialism...


Please, tell me that I may share the wisdom of your folkways.
 
2013-03-11 09:24:57 AM  
As usual, you guys crack me up with your uneducated witticism and idiotic "we're smarter than you" attitude.  Never fails to amuse.
Oh, let the pretty native wolves (that aren't native and the wrong species) back into yellowstone.  Yeah, that worked great cause wolves give a shiat about "boundaries".
Wolves are the second the most destructive species in nature next only to man.
A single pack of wolves can completely devastate a deer and Elk population, taking several hundred a year and are the ONLY other animal that hunts for fun not just for food.
Reintroducing them was a completely idiotic "feel good" project that was badly (not) thought out, badly implemented, not monitored, and ultimately a HUGE mistake.
It's all good though, within the next 5 years, they will be forced to open a hunt, so that will be nice.
I think a couple wolf pelts will look really nice on the wall.
 
2013-03-11 09:26:06 AM  

Molavian: Wolves are at good hunting.


FTFY
 
2013-03-11 09:27:57 AM  

computerguyUT: As usual, you guys crack me up with your uneducated witticism and idiotic "we're smarter than you" attitude.  Never fails to amuse.
Oh, let the pretty native wolves (that aren't native and the wrong species) back into yellowstone.  Yeah, that worked great cause wolves give a shiat about "boundaries".
Wolves are the second the most destructive species in nature next only to man.
A single pack of wolves can completely devastate a deer and Elk population, taking several hundred a year and are the ONLY other animal that hunts for fun not just for food.
Reintroducing them was a completely idiotic "feel good" project that was badly (not) thought out, badly implemented, not monitored, and ultimately a HUGE mistake.
It's all good though, within the next 5 years, they will be forced to open a hunt, so that will be nice.
I think a couple wolf pelts will look really nice on the wall.


Damn. You don't know shiat about wolves, do you?
 
2013-03-11 09:28:38 AM  

SquiggsIN: adamatari: Why is it that any time an article comes out about somebody doing something to either kill everything non-human or domesticated that lives, or prevent such wild things from living, it gets the "interesting" tag? The article about killing 100 million sharks a year got the same tag. Now an article about a group seeking to prevent wolves from re-expanding or being re-introduced into their natural range in the west (they were exterminated, with bounties offered) gets the tag. Public money in Utah is going to literally prevent natural systems from returning to their healthy state.

Is the "sad" tag just done crying for the wildlife of the planet?

I too find it ironic that people (Utah) are willing to let $300,000 go toward preventing a native species reintroduction.


I think New Yorkers might lobby similarly if people tried to reintroduce wolves.
The only people that want them back are people who don't live there. They like the IDEA of wolves.
 
2013-03-11 09:31:28 AM  

computerguyUT: As usual, you guys crack me up with your uneducated witticism and idiotic "we're smarter than you" attitude.  Never fails to amuse.
Oh, let the pretty native wolves (that aren't native and the wrong species) back into yellowstone.  Yeah, that worked great cause wolves give a shiat about "boundaries".
Wolves are the second the most destructive species in nature next only to man.
A single pack of wolves can completely devastate a deer and Elk population, taking several hundred a year and are the ONLY other animal that hunts for fun not just for food.
Reintroducing them was a completely idiotic "feel good" project that was badly (not) thought out, badly implemented, not monitored, and ultimately a HUGE mistake.
It's all good though, within the next 5 years, they will be forced to open a hunt, so that will be nice.
I think a couple wolf pelts will look really nice on the wall.


Pic of ComputerguyUT

www.inflatablesheep4u.com

He's just trying to defend his loved ones.
 
2013-03-11 09:37:49 AM  

computerguyUT: As usual, you guys crack me up with your uneducated witticism and idiotic "we're smarter than you" attitude.  Never fails to amuse.
Oh, let the pretty native wolves (that aren't native and the wrong species) back into yellowstone.  Yeah, that worked great cause wolves give a shiat about "boundaries".
Wolves are the second the most destructive species in nature next only to man.
A single pack of wolves can completely devastate a deer and Elk population, taking several hundred a year and are the ONLY other animal that hunts for fun not just for food.
Reintroducing them was a completely idiotic "feel good" project that was badly (not) thought out, badly implemented, not monitored, and ultimately a HUGE mistake.
It's all good though, within the next 5 years, they will be forced to open a hunt, so that will be nice.
I think a couple wolf pelts will look really nice on the wall.


Silly noob.
 
2013-03-11 09:37:51 AM  
After reading all these post about killing wolves I really wish you guys could see this single tear running down my cheek.
 
Xai
2013-03-11 09:45:21 AM  
Republicans hate wasteful government spending [on people who are not them]!
 
2013-03-11 09:47:28 AM  

computerguyUT: Wolves are the second the most destructive species in nature next only to man.


sassywire.files.wordpress.com

LOLWAT?
 
2013-03-11 09:48:04 AM  

for good or for awesome: After reading all these post about killing wolves I really wish you guys could see this single tear running down my cheek.


Oh, you're Italian?
 
2013-03-11 09:48:37 AM  

computerguyUT: As usual, you guys crack me up with your uneducated witticism and idiotic "we're smarter than you" attitude.  Never fails to amuse.
Oh, let the pretty native wolves (that aren't native and the wrong species) back into yellowstone.  Yeah, that worked great cause wolves give a shiat about "boundaries".
Wolves are the second the most destructive species in nature next only to man.
A single pack of wolves can completely devastate a deer and Elk population, taking several hundred a year and are the ONLY other animal that hunts for fun not just for food.
Reintroducing them was a completely idiotic "feel good" project that was badly (not) thought out, badly implemented, not monitored, and ultimately a HUGE mistake.
It's all good though, within the next 5 years, they will be forced to open a hunt, so that will be nice.
I think a couple wolf pelts will look really nice on the wall.


Ignorant moron.
 
2013-03-11 09:51:22 AM  
I'm still wondering how in the world the wolf crowd deals with the cognitive dissonance involving the "re-introduction" of a wolf subspecies that has never been found anywhere South of Canada.  The wolves that were in the Dakotas were a medium sized red wolf, yet the EPA chose a grey wolf with males that get upwards of 200lbs, and eat accordingly.  There's a reason human beings exterminated wolves throughout history, and it ain't superstition as much as the trendys want to pretend.  Our two species are in direct competition for the same territory and livestock/game resources, it really is just that cut and dried.  I don't want to buy a wolf pelt, I'd rather take one myself.
 
2013-03-11 09:52:02 AM  

Arachnophobe: computerguyUT: As usual, you guys crack me up with your uneducated witticism and idiotic "we're smarter than you" attitude.  Never fails to amuse.
Oh, let the pretty native wolves (that aren't native and the wrong species) back into yellowstone.  Yeah, that worked great cause wolves give a shiat about "boundaries".
Wolves are the second the most destructive species in nature next only to man.
A single pack of wolves can completely devastate a deer and Elk population, taking several hundred a year and are the ONLY other animal that hunts for fun not just for food.
Reintroducing them was a completely idiotic "feel good" project that was badly (not) thought out, badly implemented, not monitored, and ultimately a HUGE mistake.
It's all good though, within the next 5 years, they will be forced to open a hunt, so that will be nice.
I think a couple wolf pelts will look really nice on the wall.

Ignorant moron.


He's actually 100% wrong on all counts.

Basically, it's your textbook troll. He's constructed a mangenot line and built it backwards.
 
2013-03-11 09:54:21 AM  

bluefoxicy: Aren't wolves a keystone species, the loss of which severely affects the ecosystem?


Absolutely, they are key to the ecological......wait....yeah, never mind. Turns out the farking things can't vote or make campaign donations. They're a trash species. Kill at will.
 
2013-03-11 10:03:26 AM  

Zeno-25: People out west farking hate wolves and the people reintroducing them.


True.

The wolves eat livestock

Wrong, at least when they have any other choice. Wolves' natural prey are things like elk, not livestock, and when there's an adequate supply of the former, they rarely prey on the latter - and the people in charge of the reintroduction are required to *shoot* wolves that repeatedly prey on livestock.

...people out there pretty much shoot them on sight if they have a firearm handy. Neighbors don't ask questions about dead wolves or why no one has seen that pack of wolves around lately.

True, sadly.

Reintroducing them into Yellowstone is one thing, but there's a reason the west is thought of as 'conquered', and part of that is not having to worry about wolves eating your sheep in the year 2013.

Look up the concept of a 'keystone predator' sometime, and maybe read up on how the reintroduction of wolves to yellowstone improved the ecosystem of the park as a whole. If by 'conquered' you mean 'had its ecosystem farked up beyond recognition', perhaps true, but I wouldn't regard that as something to be proud of.

computerguyUT:
...the pretty native wolves (that aren't native)

Wrong.

and the wrong species

Wrong.

Wolves are the second the most destructive species in nature next only to man.


Wrong. Wolves are keystone predators and actually *improve* the overall health of an ecosystem. The only time they can remotely be characterized as 'destructive' is when us idiot apes have already nigh-wrecked the local environment, and in that case it's a symptom, not the actual problem. If wolves were *remotely* as destructive as us shortsighted apes, the planet would never have gotten this far considering that wolves are the second most widely distributed mammal on the planet aside from us.

A single pack of wolves can completely devastate a deer and Elk population, taking several hundred a year

For one, that's high. Several hundred a year is ~1 a day, and wolves don't eat *that* often - a wolf that ate 15-20% of an elk carcass every day would quickly become unable to hunt! And apart from that, what about human hunters? Wolves are a drop in the bucket next to that.

and are the ONLY other animal that hunts for fun not just for food.

Completely, utterly and laughably wrong. Have you ever stopped to think about just how *hard* the hooves on something like an elk are, and just how hard they can kick? A wolf takes its life in its paws (figuratively speaking) every time it tries to hunt something like that, and severe injuries are far from uncommon. The idea that a wild animal would deliberately risk its life to hunt something that dangerous for 'fun' would be hilarious if the attitude behind it wasn't so potentially destructive.

Reintroducing them was a completely idiotic "feel good" project that was badly (not) thought out, badly implemented, not monitored, and ultimately a HUGE mistake.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong.

It's all good though, within the next 5 years, they will be forced to open a hunt, so that will be nice.
I think a couple wolf pelts will look really nice on the wall.


'Forced to'? No. They'll open it anyway, though, because, as always, us apes are too shortsighted to understand the consequences of our actions. Pity
 
2013-03-11 10:04:43 AM  

MuonNeutrino: Zeno-25: blah blah blah



You been trolled, son.
 
2013-03-11 10:07:02 AM  

MuonNeutrino: Zeno-25: People out west farking hate wolves and the people reintroducing them.

True.

The wolves eat livestock

Wrong, at least when they have any other choice. Wolves' natural prey are things like elk, not livestock, and when there's an adequate supply of the former, they rarely prey on the latter - and the people in charge of the reintroduction are required to *shoot* wolves that repeatedly prey on livestock.

...people out there pretty much shoot them on sight if they have a firearm handy. Neighbors don't ask questions about dead wolves or why no one has seen that pack of wolves around lately.

True, sadly.

Reintroducing them into Yellowstone is one thing, but there's a reason the west is thought of as 'conquered', and part of that is not having to worry about wolves eating your sheep in the year 2013.

Look up the concept of a 'keystone predator' sometime, and maybe read up on how the reintroduction of wolves to yellowstone improved the ecosystem of the park as a whole. If by 'conquered' you mean 'had its ecosystem farked up beyond recognition', perhaps true, but I wouldn't regard that as something to be proud of.

computerguyUT:
...the pretty native wolves (that aren't native)

Wrong.

and the wrong species

Wrong.

Wolves are the second the most destructive species in nature next only to man.

Wrong. Wolves are keystone predators and actually *improve* the overall health of an ecosystem. The only time they can remotely be characterized as 'destructive' is when us idiot apes have already nigh-wrecked the local environment, and in that case it's a symptom, not the actual problem. If wolves were *remotely* as destructive as us shortsighted apes, the planet would never have gotten this far considering that wolves are the second most widely distributed mammal on the planet aside from us.

A single pack of wolves can completely devastate a deer and Elk population, taking several hundred a year

For one, that's high. Several hundred a year is ~1 a day, and wolves don't eat *that* often - a wolf that ate 15-20% of an elk carcass every day would quickly become unable to hunt! And apart from that, what about human hunters? Wolves are a drop in the bucket next to that.

and are the ONLY other animal that hunts for fun not just for food.

Completely, utterly and laughably wrong. Have you ever stopped to think about just how *hard* the hooves on something like an elk are, and just how hard they can kick? A wolf takes its life in its paws (figuratively speaking) every time it tries to hunt something like that, and severe injuries are far from uncommon. The idea that a wild animal would deliberately risk its life to hunt something that dangerous for 'fun' would be hilarious if the attitude behind it wasn't so potentially destructive.

Reintroducing them was a completely idiotic "feel good" project that was badly (not) thought out, badly implemented, not monitored, and ultimately a HUGE mistake.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong.

It's all good though, within the next 5 years, they will be forced to open a hunt, so that will be nice.
I think a couple wolf pelts will look really nice on the wall.

'Forced to'? No. They'll open it anyway, though, because, as always, us apes are too shortsighted to understand the consequences of our actions. Pity


Thank you for maintaining a level head where I was unable to. I'm well aware I got trolled.
 
2013-03-11 10:21:09 AM  
There are no bigger welfare queens in America than ranchers. Most of them run livestock on public lands. If they're raising livestock on private land, their fear of wolves is usually an unwillingness to pay for fencing. Any dead livestock is reimbursed by the Feds. When the price of livestock drops below what the Feds will pay in reimbursement, there's always an uptick in claims.

I live in the West. The only people I meet worried about wolves are welfare queen ranchers and corrupt state politicians passing out kickbacks like in this article.
 
2013-03-11 10:23:26 AM  

Jarhead_h: I'm still wondering how in the world the wolf crowd deals with the cognitive dissonance involving the "re-introduction" of a wolf subspecies that has never been found anywhere South of Canada.  The wolves that were in the Dakotas were a medium sized red wolf, yet the EPA chose a grey wolf with males that get upwards of 200lbs, and eat accordingly.  There's a reason human beings exterminated wolves throughout history, and it ain't superstition as much as the trendys want to pretend.  Our two species are in direct competition for the same territory and livestock/game resources, it really is just that cut and dried.  I don't want to buy a wolf pelt, I'd rather take one myself.


Even before we almost wiped it out, the red wolf was native to the eastern US, not the west. The wolves native to the west belonged to fairly average to larger than average sized sub-species. The reintroduced wolves are indeed from a canadian species, but are only marginally larger than the originals. Additionally, the differences between most north american wolf subspecies are fairly minor. And 200 pounds, really? The largest wolf ever recorded in north america weighed 175 pounds, and typical weights even for these larger than average subspecies are less than 150 pounds.

As for wolves being our competitors, see above on preferred wolf prey. And regardless, it *is* actually possible to steer a middle ground between 'abandon everything to the predators' and 'ruthlessly exterminate all potential competitors'. And please, go read up on the incredible stupidity, ubiquity, and persistence of humans' historical beliefs about wolves and then come back and tell me that our war against them wasn't motivated by superstition. I want to see if you can do that with a straight face.
 
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